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ETisME
12214 Posts
A single player only RTS, with a rogue lite twist. Developed by two persons and launched into EA a weekish ago. Not the best pathing or models, but the twist in the genre is great. It just shows how much design space there still is for the genre. a battle aces style RTS with PvE mode like this would be very lite for casual. $40million would have been launched a ton of great RTS | ||
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_Spartak_
Turkey352 Posts
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ETisME
12214 Posts
On November 21 2024 15:14 _Spartak_ wrote: Not like that one has to be a triple A, plenty of best titles in all the genres are indies.I would rather one RTS that I can play for a decade+ rather than bunch of smaller RTSes. metroidvania: Hollow knight/ deadcell sim: Drawf fortress / rim world fast paced shooter: ultra kill/ turbo overkill RTS: BAR Tower defence: they are billions Extraction shooter coop: deep rock Galactica Most if not all of them got way higher player count than SG, despite being much older. And SG isn't even a triple A, it's just a double A that just didn't deliver. | ||
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_Spartak_
Turkey352 Posts
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tregdfwer
4 Posts
On November 21 2024 16:42 _Spartak_ wrote: Well, obviously SG's current player numbers is not what they were aiming for. No shit, but that was foreseeable from the get go. You were still lobbying for them like no one else. When someone has nothing to presentate, yet promise you THE BEST EVER, you know they are frauds | ||
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_Spartak_
Turkey352 Posts
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tregdfwer
4 Posts
On November 21 2024 20:18 _Spartak_ wrote: To make the "best ever" in a field where the top competitor has had a longer development cycle, bigger budget and a decade of post-release support, they will obviously need time. I can understand that there is no magic formula to make a better SC2 from the get go and they will need extra time. I can also understand not everyone has patience for that. I just hope enough people do because there is no other way to get a really big RTS success. There can still be small scale indie success stories of course but that's not really what I am looking for. When you promise/advertise through WARCRAFT STARCRAFT BLIZZARD you better make sure that you deliver | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6607 Posts
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_Spartak_
Turkey352 Posts
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RogerChillingworth
2765 Posts
On the one hand I feel for them because they are nice people trying to make a good thing, and their intentions in 2020 were excellent, but it also feels like all these RTS are phoning in key aspects that would make the game succeed, or are simply incapable of delivering in these key areas. Partially unfortunate, but also leaves the door open for someone else. It's like when people are buying tickets for the lottery but no one's winning, so it keeps getting bigger. We'll see. | ||
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ChillFlame
12 Posts
On November 21 2024 20:18 _Spartak_ wrote: To make the "best ever" in a field where the top competitor has had a longer development cycle, bigger budget and a decade of post-release support, they will obviously need time. I can understand that there is no magic formula to make a better SC2 from the get go and they will need extra time. I can also understand not everyone has patience for that. I just hope enough people do because there is no other way to get a really big RTS success. There can still be small scale indie success stories of course but that's not really what I am looking for. They had $43 mil, big investors, successful kickstarter campaign. They had media coverage by almost every RTS streamer (read free adv). Everyone was rooting for them. People were INSANELY positive about the game. This is a dream scenario for a start up company. It's not likely any RTS team would have such perfect conditions. And they trew it all away. They misanaged their financial and human resourses. They totally missed the mark with every single comonent. There isn't a single outstanding part in this game. Everything is mediocre at best. The worst part is they don't have any potential. We don't have any evidence that they have vision and ability to make at least SOMETHING good. They were arrogant. When people pointed out that the art style won't work at the early beta stages (me included), they inored it or chose to be passive-aggressive. And they lied to us. Funded until release. Free year 0 commanders, etc. Yet you still defend them because you have invested money in their project. Mixing your financial interests with the actual game opinion is also dishonest (some may call this shilling). I recommend you abstain of defending the game to preserve some kind of honesty. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23017 Posts
On November 21 2024 21:48 _Spartak_ wrote: When was the last time you played? Performance has improved quite a bit in the last few patches. Do we have fully customisable hotkeys yet? | ||
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ChillFlame
12 Posts
On November 22 2024 04:25 WombaT wrote: Do we have fully customisable hotkeys yet? No. Performance improvements are also not real. They just decreased supply cap to 200 in Co-Op. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23017 Posts
On November 22 2024 04:29 ChillFlame wrote: No. Performance improvements are also not real. They just decreased supply cap to 200 in Co-Op. Performance is definitely better, all feedback is that it’s been improved in fairness | ||
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ChillFlame
12 Posts
On November 22 2024 04:35 WombaT wrote: Performance is definitely better, all feedback is that it’s been improved in fairness Well it's complicated. There are some types of performance issues in this game. The general FPS dropping (GPU mainly) The quirks of their "engine". Some of lags were caused by CPU, some are just "engine" lagging. Some stuff is also going with rollback and global matchmaking. They fixed some of it, but I don't think their "engine" is capable of calculating hundreds of units. Don't forget their 300 supply cap is smaller than SC2 200. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9333 Posts
On November 22 2024 00:05 RogerChillingworth wrote: Frost Giant is missing a key thing, like a tomato sauce without onions, that is hard to know how to solve without having some real insider knowledge. On the one hand I feel for them because they are nice people trying to make a good thing, and their intentions in 2020 were excellent, but it also feels like all these RTS are phoning in key aspects that would make the game succeed, or are simply incapable of delivering in these key areas. Partially unfortunate, but also leaves the door open for someone else. It's like when people are buying tickets for the lottery but no one's winning, so it keeps getting bigger. We'll see. I feel for the employees. Not the co-founders who have no real skills on how to create a good game and how to prioritize spendings, yet still was paid a total upwards of $1M each throughout the years for their incompetence. | ||
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ChillFlame
12 Posts
On November 22 2024 04:51 Hider wrote: I feel for the employees. Not the co-founders who have no real skills on how to create a good game and how to prioritize spendings, yet still was paid a total upwards of $1M each throughout the years for their incompetence. I bet some of them tried their best. But in the other hand we have a hedgehog 3D model. The person who approved is responsible. The person who made it is also responsible. I doubt their task was to make an "atrocious bike helm abomination with legs and wheels". | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6413 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21183 Posts
On November 22 2024 05:12 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Rob Pardo was lead designer, tho I don't think you can assign success to a single person, it generally takes a team of good people to work through the ideas and concepts.After seeing Stormgate and Battle aces. Do you really wonder who really was the master mind behind wc3 - sc2. Cuz holyshit the crazy part is they really trying to push these poor projects and then blame that people dont care about RTS. Are we insane ? Someone actually made Battle aces in the sc2 engine and the game is already way better. I still wish them good and who knows maybe in 2-3 years one of them will be actually the next big thing. The big names behind Stormgate were Tim Morten Production Director on SC:LoV and Time Campbell Lead campaign designer for WC3. Big name behind Battle Aces is David Kim, Lead multiplayer designer for SC2 The question to always ask when you see "by devs from X game" is what position they had. | ||
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_Spartak_
Turkey352 Posts
On November 22 2024 04:23 ChillFlame wrote: I don't know where you got the $43m from. I don't think it amounts to that much even if you add the Kickstarter, Indiegogo and StartEngine funding on top of the investment amount. In any case, that sort of money might look a lot, especially in comparison to smaller RTSes but it really is not a lot of money when it comes to the scale of the game they sre trying to build and what they are competing with (SC2). Hence, why they need more time in early access to get to a point where the game is at an acceptable quality to possibly the most demanding gaming community ever.They had $43 mil, big investors, successful kickstarter campaign. They had media coverage by almost every RTS streamer (read free adv). Everyone was rooting for them. People were INSANELY positive about the game. This is a dream scenario for a start up company. It's not likely any RTS team would have such perfect conditions. And they trew it all away. They misanaged their financial and human resourses. They totally missed the mark with every single comonent. There isn't a single outstanding part in this game. Everything is mediocre at best. The worst part is they don't have any potential. We don't have any evidence that they have vision and ability to make at least SOMETHING good. They were arrogant. When people pointed out that the art style won't work at the early beta stages (me included), they inored it or chose to be passive-aggressive. And they lied to us. Funded until release. Free year 0 commanders, etc. Yet you still defend them because you have invested money in their project. Mixing your financial interests with the actual game opinion is also dishonest (some may call this shilling). I recommend you abstain of defending the game to preserve some kind of honesty. I don't "defend" FG because I invested in the StartEngine campaign. I invested in their campaign because I wanted yo support their vision. I never expected any return from that and (as you are probably well aware) my thoughts about FG and SG haven't changed at all before and after my "investment". But as I said on discord some time ago, if I ever make any profit from that investment, I will donate it to a charity. So you can now have a good faith discussion if you wish. On November 22 2024 06:52 Gorsameth wrote: James Anhalt, Chief Architect at FG, was also the engineer who built the pathing system for SC2.Rob Pardo was lead designer, tho I don't think you can assign success to a single person, it generally takes a team of good people to work through the ideas and concepts. The big names behind Stormgate were Tim Morten Production Director on SC:LoV and Time Campbell Lead campaign designer for WC3. Big name behind Battle Aces is David Kim, Lead multiplayer designer for SC2 The question to always ask when you see "by devs from X game" is what position they had. | ||
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