Only this one I believe. But I don't care as much about it since there are no SC2/BW/W3 players that I know of in it.
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HolydaKing
21224 Posts
Only this one I believe. But I don't care as much about it since there are no SC2/BW/W3 players that I know of in it. | ||
blade55555
United States17423 Posts
They are also organizing a weekly show match series where the winner will get 500$ and continue on for each win. If a player wins 10 in a row, they'll get an extra 2500$ and that starts on Tuesday, with Probe vs Marinelord. I'm sure some other tournaments are being planned behind the scenes (at least I hope!). I don't expect any big tourney's though until next year. Edit: Right after posting this, the showmatch winner stays on series was changed since Viper has a major AOE2 tournament (King of the Desert 4) going on. Also, here is a roadmap of updates: https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2021/11/17/age-of-empires-iv-content-roadmap/ | ||
Jealous
9972 Posts
On November 18 2021 00:06 HolydaKing wrote: https://liquipedia.net/ageofempires/King_of_the_Desert/4 Only this one I believe. But I don't care as much about it since there are no SC2/BW/W3 players that I know of in it. For anyone who cares about narratives and hometown heroes and such, jumping into a new scene where they don't know anyone can be tough. I've been following competitive AoE2 on and off for quite a few years now, so I figured I'll give a brief introduction to the players here; I will mostly try to stick to the facts but impressions of people are always through the lens of whose story about them you're hearing and etc. I'll try to mention any rivalries/narratives which I think are potentially interesting as they come up. Of course, most of this will be based on the AoE2 scene, so stuff concerning playstyles may not transfer 1:1 but hopefully my descriptions give a sense of personality/gaming style to the names. Any corrections/additional comments welcome! Invited ACCM = One of the two best Vietnamese players that consistently make it into top 16s of tournaments, has been an up-and-comer over the past few years. dogao = Strong overall player, also good at team games. He was on the rise a few years ago to get to this level. MbL = Jokingly known as "Master Boar Lamer," he has a reputation for stealing other people's gaia resources. Was competing at the very top level a few years ago, has since fallen off a bit, but made a surprising run at the most recent Wololo. Also known for making comebacks from the brink of death, and for always being "housed" (supply blocked) and throwing down three houses at once, even in the early game. TheViper = The most dominant player of the past 10 years, known for being a solid all-around player and somewhat of an innovator, coming up with and utilizing quirky strats and techniques that then become adopted by the rest of the playing field. Considered by most to be the best player of all time. Recently won a Redbull Wololo (explained a bit more in detail later) which could be seen as a sign of his resurgence. His dominance had been fading over the past 1-2 years as more people caught up to his level; up until that point, he always seemed to be a full year ahead of the competition in terms of skill. BacT = Another of the two best Vietnamese players, has also been making strides in the past few years. Hera = One of the youngest players in the scene, he spent years hovering around that top 20 level relying heavily on his mechanics, in the past year or two has really come into his own by shoring up his weaknesses. Used to be, and may still be, an incredibly consistent practice partner of MbL - playing for a dozen hours in a row type thing. Known for spamming Hussars (non-gold cavalry) in the late game, backed by an insane amount of farms (70+). Probably one of the biggest rivalries in the scene is him vs. Liereyy as both are young, both are "micro nerds" especially with their Archers, and both seem particularly well-suited for the "Empire Wars" format of Redbull Wololo tournaments, where you start the game with a few initial buildings like a Barracks, houses, farms, mines etc. Liereyy has knocked Hera out repeatedly in both Redbull and other tournaments, especially over the past year; has been the biggest obstacle to his tournament successes. Mr_Yo = Also known as "Mr. 7-0" because of his trouncing of TheViper in a tournament not too long ago, Mr_Yo is one of the strongest players in AoE2 currently. Unfortunately could not participate in the most recent Wololo because it was in-person and it is difficult for him to travel from China IIRC. Villese = Finnish players have a reputation for being a bit wacky in terms of strategy choice, and are known to be exceptionally strong as a team (they call themselves Suomi and consistently place high in team leagues despite facing off against mixed nation sponsored teams). Villese is the best and perhaps most standard player of them all, consistently in the top 10 or top 20. Strong mechanics and fundamentals. Capoch = Old school player who came back not too long ago, made a crazy upset run at the most recent Redbull Wololo. Is not the most mechanically sound player, but still gets the job done. JorDan_AoE = Another old school player that came back a couple of years ago, used to be #1-#2 in the world, took a bit of time for him to climb back up into the top ~10 active players but has recently had some great performances, particularly in the most recent Hidden Cup. Is known for being exceptionally nice and polite. Nicov = Known for their water play and for his complaints about various topics such as maps, civs, brackets vs. other players, etc. It's not like, perpetual whining, but is just more vocal than others about his beliefs about the game I guess. Running meme is that he always gets knocked out of tournaments by TheViper or another top player in the early rounds. Vinchester = Might be the youngest currently active player, he is super technical and harassment-oriented. Had been known to over-micro and over-commit for a while, but has since balanced out his play a bit and has started posting strong results more recently. DauT = Known as "The Lord", of the people in this list he is perhaps the one who makes the strongest case for being #1 instead of TheViper because not only was he a consistent #1-#2 player in the mid-00s to mid-teens, but has never dropped off in terms of tournament placement too heavily - recently won a Wololo despite his age and the format being more favoring of mechanical-oriented players. Is known for his "DauT Castles" which is that he always seems to undercommit villagers to constructing castles, or places them in very suspect locations, leading them to be denied at least temporarily. Is also an innovator, known to be the first to experiment with new settings/civs while being a more strategically-oriented player, so if I were to look for new and interesting ideas in AoE4, he is a name to follow IMO. He is also known for his personality/matter-of-fact way of talking to/about people and in general being a bit of a troll. Might be the oldest player currently active at the top level. Liereyy = Discussed a bit about him above when discussing Hera, who followed the same path. Young, mechanically-oriented player who balanced out his playstyle a bit less recently than Hera and has posted strong top 4 results since. Known for not practicing that much and for consistently falling to TheViper, resulting in a ton of Top 4 finishes but not many tournament wins outside of the Wololo series where he is the undisputed champion (multiple titles). However, TheViper won the most recent one. TaToH = Strong water map player, known for using fairly niche/unique water map strategies, but a strong player overall as well. Vivi = AKA "The Fat Dragon" due to a previous alias, Vivi is one of the most entertaining players to watch because of his propensity for off-beat strategies like Tower rush (similar to Cannon rush), proxy production buildings, and not having the greatest mechanics to back them up but succeeding anyway. Has definitely fallen off in terms of skill over the past few years as he has been playing less and mechanical approaches to the game have become more favored, Towers were nerfed, etc. Open Qualifier BadBoy = Strong Vietnamese player known for playing aggressively in the early game, similar to Vivi, with stuff like Tower rushes. Up-and-comer. Daniel = Another former top top old school player who came back relatively recently to the game. Kasva = I don't know much about this player but he is a consistent top 16-32 participant in tournaments. slam = Vocal veteran player who sometimes also does casting, also seems to have terrible bracket luck and also seems to be the victim of many come-backs and unfortunate situations in-game. Barles = I don't know much about this player either but he has only recently started showing up in top tournament brackets AFAIK. Dark = I believe he is another relatively young Russian player, perhaps could be even younger than Vinchester, may be his student/practice partner but I might be getting him confused for someone else. Only recently came into the upper echelons of the competitive scene. miguel = Consistently high-performing player. Is perhaps better known as part of the dogao - miguel team where he plays a strong supporting role, perhaps a better 2v2 player than 1v1, relatively speaking. Has a very lax attitude about the game, saying stuff like "as long as I can help dogao win we're fine" or "I'm not that great and that's okay" IIRC. SongSong = I don't know much about this player but he has only started making high tier tournament brackets somewhat recently AFAIK. bruh = I really don't know/remember much about this player. F1Re = Strong water map player, has had solid performances over the past few years in high level tournaments but always seems to fall at or before the top 8 at most. saymyname = AKA Yellow, this Vietnamese player has been around longer than some of the others AFAIK, also consistently gets into top tournament brackets. TheMax = Veteran player who is known for his strategic play, utilizing map awareness and off-beat proxy strategies to throw his opponents off-balance. Kind of like a mix between DauT and Vivi in some regards. Made a deep tournament run in one of the Hidden Cup tournaments in the past few years, hasn't reached that level of performance since, but is a consistently interesting player to follow/watch. Plays well as part of Suomi in team competitions. classicpro = I don't know much about this player but IIRC he is young and a relative newcomer to the scene, I believe he first started qualifying for high level tournaments/making it to the Ro32 in the past year or two at most. Fish = I know nothing about this player, he is outside the usual cast of ACCM/BacT/BadBoy/SongSong/saymyname when it comes to Vietnamese players. Sitaux = I know nothing about this player, do recall hearing his name once or twice over the past year or two but I don't think I've ever seen him have a strong tournament performance. Zuppi = Another member of Finnish Team Suomi, he embodies the off-beat strategies less than some from Finland (looking at you Jupi) but he is more consistent and mechanically sound, though not as overall successful as TheMax IIRC. Hope this was interesting to someone EDIT: Just realized that they are organized alphabetically on TLPD from L->R and T->B and I totally fucked that up but hopefully y'all can follow lol ;; | ||
ffswowsucks
Greece2288 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6075 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland20680 Posts
It sounds an interesting scene, one thing that came up pretty consistently were descriptions of players falling into categories esp mechanical and strategic Does AoE’s gameplay enable these various strengths to shine, or is it more a case that it’s not Brood War in terms of scene and exploration? I.e to be competitive you basically had to have the whole package It sounds a really interesting dynamic to see the wily fox vs the robotic mechanical machine, one we don’t really have in Starcraft(s), as mostly the top players are super strong in both domains. | ||
HolydaKing
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On November 18 2021 02:38 ffswowsucks wrote: Where is TheMista ? TheMista is an age of mythology player and wouldn't appear in an AoE2 list. | ||
Jealous
9972 Posts
On November 18 2021 02:52 WombaT wrote: That’s a pretty damn solid write-up Jealous, I mean as I know nout about the AoE you could be making it all up, but gave me a good idea of the flavour of the various players. It sounds an interesting scene, one thing that came up pretty consistently were descriptions of players falling into categories esp mechanical and strategic Does AoE’s gameplay enable these various strengths to shine, or is it more a case that it’s not Brood War in terms of scene and exploration? I.e to be competitive you basically had to have the whole package It sounds a really interesting dynamic to see the wily fox vs the robotic mechanical machine, one we don’t really have in Starcraft(s), as mostly the top players are super strong in both domains. Obviously there is a minimum of both necessary in order to succeed at the top 16 - top 32 level, and the difference between the most mechanical and least mechanical is, arguably, similar to that of the top BW scene (Stork vs. Bisu for example). The extreme examples would be DauT who regularly goofs basic micro things like splitting Archers and pushing deer towards his TC, but in the end he still wins because of superior map awareness and greater experience, while someone like Hera or Liereyy may Archer micro you to death but might make less obvious tactical/strategic flubs (though, obviously, not that many since they are top 5 players at the moment). It's not the difference between, say, a professional runner and a middle schooler in terms of speed, or a physics professor and a middle schooler in terms of smarts. In the end, one can think of it more as what players choose to invest time and effort to, both in the moment and in terms of their practice. DauT might split his Archers fewer times but he spends more time adding Outposts and managing his eco, or something. Liereyy and Hera might be microing two groups of Archers at once somewhere, but in the meantime they let some other factor of the game slip a little, or at least don't try to gain an advantage in some other way. The tide has been shifting somewhat slowly to more mechanical play, as more and more people start using "quick walls" (building wall foundations to block enemies out of your base, or to save a villager being harassed) and other tactics whereas a few years ago it was only TheViper and maybe a handful of other people. The people who lean more heavily on the wily fox type plays are Vivi and BadBoy, and they of course still take games and can probably take a game off of anyone else given the right circumstances, so it is still true but perhaps not to the absolute extent you may be imagining. I'd say it's definitely more similar to StarCraft more than it is not, but I will say that it is an interesting scene regardless. With AoE4's QoL, tactical, and production changes - who knows? From what I've seen so far, the game doesn't seem to reward mechanics as much as AoE2 does right now, but that too can change. It'll be interesting to see how it develops. | ||
Poopi
France12463 Posts
On November 18 2021 02:54 HolydaKing wrote: I'll be honest, even I know TheViper and DauT, they're both names that have been at old WCG tournaments (and similar ones where multiple games where being played at) I believe. Hera I know as well, also heard of Jordan_AoE I believe. And Capoch is tbh a name that I remember as well, I guess from Wc3 or SC2 maybe even... Liquipedia said he played both for a while, I probably remember him more from Wc3? The others I didn't know at all, so thanks for that. I think Capoch played protoss in sc2, I remember playing against him in WoL and/or LotV | ||
Laurens
Belgium4458 Posts
@Latham what civ/difficulty did you play against for the "kill 30 enemy cavalry units with your camel riders"? Don't really want to hunt down 30 scouts, I'm gonna try my luck with playing against French I guess. | ||
Latham
9507 Posts
On November 18 2021 21:37 Laurens wrote: Cheers for that write-up that's amazing! @Latham what civ/difficulty did you play against for the "kill 30 enemy cavalry units with your camel riders"? Don't really want to hunt down 30 scouts, I'm gonna try my luck with playing against French I guess. I did an Abbasid mirror on hard. At some point, it devolved into mass camel rider vs mass camel rider (its a cavalry unit that counters other cavalry units so the AI tries to rock-paper-scissor you) but France would be a good pick as well, since they always add some royals knights to the mix. Now after getting all the achievements I would suggest Mongols as well, early on they rely on horsemen and later get a nice mix of lancers and mangudai. | ||
Laurens
Belgium4458 Posts
Just 5 left now and none of them are challenging/annoying, will be done tomorrow, thx for the pointers | ||
cha0
Canada485 Posts
The most important thing is that it seems like the devs are on top of things after all and have a strong roadmap for the future. | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland20680 Posts
Hopefully they can both keep this level of support up, and with a bit of refinement require less sweeping patches over time. | ||
blabber
United States4448 Posts
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ffswowsucks
Greece2288 Posts
On November 18 2021 03:24 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: TheMista is an age of mythology player and wouldn't appear in an AoE2 list. and here is an AoE4 thread... | ||
Lysteria
France2279 Posts
On November 19 2021 00:59 WombaT wrote: Hopefully they can both keep this level of support up, and with a bit of refinement require less sweeping patches over time. If AoE2:DE is anything that would give us an idea on how they're going to handle AoE4, it's usually a big balance/tweak patch every other month with additional content - maps, mods, civs once in a while, and fixes and small updates the other month. One big patch every season with some stuff here and there seems to hit the same spot. | ||
Amphok
4 Posts
that feeling that remind you of something great that you have already encounter | ||
Sbrubbles
Brazil5763 Posts
On November 20 2021 00:43 Amphok wrote: that feeling that remind you of something great that you have already encounter That is so silly. They need to add some crazy visual effects or reduce that range drastically | ||
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