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On August 10 2008 19:02 Nintu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2008 18:59 Puosu wrote:On August 10 2008 18:58 Dealer wrote:On August 10 2008 18:57 BlackStar wrote:On August 10 2008 18:55 xenero wrote: Every time they've played a macro/long game Jaedong's won, so I'm sure it's more about exploiting Flash's greediness. You think Forgg has better TvZ than Flash? Flash is playing standard, Jaedong is doing all ins. lol, have you ever played this game? Are you saying that mutalisks are all in? wut He is agressive, yes. But that is not even near an all-in or even a cheese, its a standard ZvT playing style. you are so wrong it's unbelievable. That _was_ an all-in. Sorry bro. Well I must confess I'm not the biggest ZvT expert, but I've always understood all-in as something that you have to succeed at or you're going to lose the whole game.
Do you really think he couldn't have survived had those mutalisks not finished the game? :o
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Wait, since when was 2-hatch mutas an all-in build...? That's like saying a toss that doesn't FE is going all-in.
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On August 10 2008 19:01 Nintu wrote: game 1 was simply massing and going +1 attack on muts. game 2 was simply a muta all in. Low-econ 2 hatch, with early lings to thin down marine count..
Both games were 2 hatch muta. Only second game Jaedong made a ton of lings instead of drones because Flash had no bunker while in game 1 JD took a third gas.
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2 hatch is an all in BECAUSE it is done vs Fast CC macro build. If it doesn't kill the terran, the terran rolls over the zrg
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JD is doing completely standard 2 hat muta builds 12hat/11gas/10pool and 12/11/10 in those orders
his muta timming is not early. Jd isn't doing anything special other then microing well, flashes timming is fucking terrible.
Calling 2 hat muta an all-in is fucking stupid =(.
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These have got to be the strangest commercials ever (to an American lol).
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For once, im not lagging. :[
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On August 10 2008 18:59 sMi.SyMPhOnY wrote: jaedong is cutting his drones to create a quicker spire. Flash is anticipating a different timing for mutalisks. Is this a revolution build?
no its flash being a greedy mother fucker and everybody knowing it
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On August 10 2008 19:03 alffla wrote: tf since when were 2 hatches allins -__- Since Flash began losing to it
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It's a slightly looser and less literal use of the term all-in. If Flash defended, but still lost a lot, JD was still in the game, but only a low rank player would look at his drone count, his lack of third gas/hatch, and consider that build to be standard. That was as close to an all-in as you can get without literally being all-in.
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On August 10 2008 19:03 alffla wrote: tf since when were 2 hatches allins -__- When people get pissed since Flash is getting owned by it.
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well if you 2 rax / 2 gate someone that does 14 cc or 14 nexus (exclude zerg) and you don't do siginifcant damage, you lose
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On August 10 2008 19:03 sMi.SyMPhOnY wrote: 2 hatch is an all in BECAUSE it is done vs Fast CC macro build. If it doesn't kill the terran, the terran rolls over the zrg
Wrong. 2 hat muta can easily turn into a 3-4 hat lurker/ling 3 gas vs 2 gas game ..
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_Grazze_: THANK YOU! I virtually kiss your feet (and mouth)!!
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I think Flash had a brain fart that game with the turret timings. There's no way he wasn't expecting two hatch mutas.
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rofl, this is how starcraft is. JD has adapted to the Terrans VERY strong midgame (he's surely not afraid of lategame), with faster mutas (tweaked builds) and better harass early on.
Flash simply isnt prepared for this, and expect to get to mid/late and do the standard imbaness and kill the zerg before he gets fully upgraded ultas with defilers.
This is StarCraft.
I feel the build he's used here gives him more options, and more control, rather than waiting and beeing afraid of a sunken break. So rather than beeing all in, it feels to simply be better and more safe.
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After commercials this long i don't feel bad about our Swedish commercials anymore, damn......
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On August 10 2008 19:05 AttackZerg wrote: Wrong. 2 hat muta can easily turn into a 3-4 hat lurker/ling 3 gas vs 2 gas game ..
You know what 'all in' means right. 2 hatch muta puts all your money on mtuas. It's like saying 5 pool isn't all in because if you hurt his econ a lot but he is still alive you will still get a longer game.
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