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Northern Ireland20688 Posts
On June 07 2021 17:30 Poopi wrote: I don't think the strategy of not doing ESL cups is working anymore for Serral, and to a lesser extent Reynor... They would need the practice against HeroMarine and Clem as well as each other, and battling "lesser" zergs could make Serral more immune to them maybe? Was a disappointing run.
Clem seems miles ahead of Reynor atm, but the latter ZvT was probably overrated from beating Maru online in high ping series so I am not that surprised. Still nice that the prophecy has come at full force However they’ve practiced in the past has obviously worked out brilliantly for them, but yeah it might be worth giving it a crack
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On June 07 2021 17:30 Poopi wrote: I don't think the strategy of not doing ESL cups is working anymore for Serral, and to a lesser extent Reynor... They would need the practice against HeroMarine and Clem as well as each other, and battling "lesser" zergs could make Serral more immune to them maybe? Was a disappointing run.
Clem seems miles ahead of Reynor atm, but the latter ZvT was probably overrated from beating Maru online in high ping series so I am not that surprised. Still nice that the prophecy has come at full force Its just from my personal observation, but isnt the EU Open Cup having too many players participating? I think KR and NA only have around 32 players or less, while EU has like up to round of 128? Surely the top players will finish their matches in minutes, but still have to wait around for their upcoming opponent to finish their matches as well, which could be up to half an hour. I wouldnt commit that much time if I were them, and just focus on practicing on the ladder or in private games. Clem TvZ is on another whole level in mid-game, even to Maru, and Reynor also isnt at his best shape comparing to his IEM form as well.
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On June 07 2021 18:04 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2021 17:30 Poopi wrote: I don't think the strategy of not doing ESL cups is working anymore for Serral, and to a lesser extent Reynor... They would need the practice against HeroMarine and Clem as well as each other, and battling "lesser" zergs could make Serral more immune to them maybe? Was a disappointing run.
Clem seems miles ahead of Reynor atm, but the latter ZvT was probably overrated from beating Maru online in high ping series so I am not that surprised. Still nice that the prophecy has come at full force Its just so funny that the casters are pushing hard now the narrative of online ping hurts the terrans the most and this is why Clem has a bad record with Korean protoss. While true, there were much more shy to repeat the same argument when terrans (ahem, Maru) were performing poorly than expected vs EU zergs.
Yeah, when Maru lost to Reynor online - "wow Reynor is amazing, he is a beast, clearly the best player in the world" And then when Clem lost to Korean protoss online "it is because of ping that hurts Terran more" and i'm talking about Rotterdam, how can you not call that biased commentary?
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Canada8759 Posts
On June 07 2021 18:04 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2021 17:30 Poopi wrote: I don't think the strategy of not doing ESL cups is working anymore for Serral, and to a lesser extent Reynor... They would need the practice against HeroMarine and Clem as well as each other, and battling "lesser" zergs could make Serral more immune to them maybe? Was a disappointing run.
Clem seems miles ahead of Reynor atm, but the latter ZvT was probably overrated from beating Maru online in high ping series so I am not that surprised. Still nice that the prophecy has come at full force Its just so funny that the casters are pushing hard now the narrative of online ping hurts the terrans the most and this is why Clem has a bad record with Korean protoss. While true, there were much more shy to repeat the same argument when terrans (ahem, Maru) were performing poorly than expected vs EU zergs.
Also since Clem cross server tvz has just as freaking amazing as in EU vs EU game.
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On June 08 2021 01:33 parksonsc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2021 18:04 Argonauta wrote:On June 07 2021 17:30 Poopi wrote: I don't think the strategy of not doing ESL cups is working anymore for Serral, and to a lesser extent Reynor... They would need the practice against HeroMarine and Clem as well as each other, and battling "lesser" zergs could make Serral more immune to them maybe? Was a disappointing run.
Clem seems miles ahead of Reynor atm, but the latter ZvT was probably overrated from beating Maru online in high ping series so I am not that surprised. Still nice that the prophecy has come at full force Its just so funny that the casters are pushing hard now the narrative of online ping hurts the terrans the most and this is why Clem has a bad record with Korean protoss. While true, there were much more shy to repeat the same argument when terrans (ahem, Maru) were performing poorly than expected vs EU zergs. Yeah, when Maru lost to Reynor online - "wow Reynor is amazing, he is a beast, clearly the best player in the world" And then when Clem lost to Korean protoss online "it is because of ping that hurts Terran more" and i'm talking about Rotterdam, how can you not call that biased commentary? yeah there has been a very strong foreigner bias in many of the casters for 3? 4? years now, its not a huge deal but definitely noticeable
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And then when Clem lost to Korean protoss online "it is because of ping that hurts Terran more" and i'm talking about Rotterdam, how can you not call that biased commentary?
where did rotterdam said that? he said that the ping hurts terrans the most, what is arguabel, but i think he is right. he never said that clem lost because of the ping. btw the opposit argumentation was used by rotterdam when zest lost to heroarmine n the esl cup yesterday: Zest only lost because of the ping for koreans on the europe server. Is this now korean biased by rotterdam?
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France12463 Posts
On June 08 2021 14:50 DarkGamer wrote:Show nested quote + And then when Clem lost to Korean protoss online "it is because of ping that hurts Terran more" and i'm talking about Rotterdam, how can you not call that biased commentary? where did rotterdam said that? he said that the ping hurts terrans the most, what is arguabel, but i think he is right. he never said that clem lost because of the ping. btw the opposit argumentation was used by rotterdam when zest lost to heroarmine n the esl cup yesterday: Zest only lost because of the ping for koreans on the europe server. Is this now korean biased by rotterdam? There is a big difference in ping between KR - EU and KR - NA or EU - NA. Afaik the IEM / DH inter are played on NA between EU and KR, not on either EU or KR which is horrendous ping.
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Its a horrendous ping for both players?
I didnt get the point of your post Poopi and what it has to do with my post...
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On June 08 2021 23:00 DarkGamer wrote: Its a horrendous ping for both players?
I didnt get the point of your post Poopi and what it has to do with my post... I think in the ESL Cup they played on EU server, so only Zest had to deal with super terrible ping (as opposed to both sides playing at moderate ping on NA).
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