was fun while it lasted i guess(one, maybe 2 GPs).
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was fun while it lasted i guess(one, maybe 2 GPs). | ||
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Verstappen has to be perfect to be in the mix. He made a couple of mistakes, and those were pretty costly. The track limits and the slight slides on throttle made it hard for him to really fight hamilton. | ||
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Next year , even if somehow Redbull or Ferrari or any other team nails the regulations and the mercs are behind , I don't see them staying behind for long , if its a MAJOR fumble somehow and they are WAY behind (very unlikely) , they will lose the 2022 season while finishing strong , and from that point onwards its back to mercs domination. The most likely scenario is that they will dominate out of the gate , as the engines are frozen and they have the best one right now , Max was unable to get close even with DRS to Bottas ,it was very sad to see. | ||
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On May 03 2021 15:32 Lmui wrote: I think Red Bull had an uncharacteristically bad race. I'm pretty sure they'll be on top in Spain. Yeah, Verstappen would have been on pole had he not made that mistake that had his 1:18.2 time deleted. Of course, Hamilton was still ridiculously fast in the race so who knows if being on pole would have made a difference, but still. The two cars look to be close matches right now. I don't know how long it will last though. Mercedes seems to be getting their aero issues worked out and the car is starting to look as solid as their car from last year. Red Bull usually has among the best in-season development but that may not be as impactful this year because of the new budget caps. | ||
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On May 03 2021 21:02 bluzi wrote: I am worried for next year , it seems the mercs has the best engineering team by far , they had a substantial gap to close at the beginning of the year , the theme was that high rake were being hit harder then low rake for the 2021 regulations , it took them 2 races , and they are clear #1 again while Aston Martin are still trying to claim back the lost performance for the same design "flaw" with a very similar car and are outside the points and are struggling for pace. Next year , even if somehow Redbull or Ferrari or any other team nails the regulations and the mercs are behind , I don't see them staying behind for long , if its a MAJOR fumble somehow and they are WAY behind (very unlikely) , they will lose the 2022 season while finishing strong , and from that point onwards its back to mercs domination. The most likely scenario is that they will dominate out of the gate , as the engines are frozen and they have the best one right now , Max was unable to get close even with DRS to Bottas ,it was very sad to see. The thing is, big regulation changes (or technology leaps forcing every team to make changes) haven't historically necessarily been good to the top teams. Yes, Mercedes does have the money and facilities to get back on top, but you can see how many years it took McLaren just to get remotely competitive again after a string of bad decisions. And then there's Ferrari who doesn't even need regulation changes to make themselves uncompetitive, despite being the most dominant team in all of F1 history. Heck, Williams has the facilities, and had the money for a while, and still couldn't get themselves up from the back of the field. That said, Mercedes still has that beast of a PU, while RBs biggest benefits comes from that chassis, which is going to be completely redesigned. So I'd say RB has the most to lose. | ||
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With the huge budget cuts forced on the big teams, teams like Mercedes and Ferrari may end up having less efficient workflows than the smaller teams and not have as good of results for the money spent since they're used to being able to chuck fistfuls of money at their engineering teams. Teams like Aston Martin are well positioned for the new regulations because they've been operating at the level where the budget cap is for years now and have likely found a lot of efficiencies with regards to spending. It'll be interesting to see how everything plays out. | ||
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On May 06 2021 16:15 Zaros wrote: The Mercedes team have won the last 3 major regulation changes though, 2009 (Brawn but its a lot of the same people,) 2014 and 2017. If you are going to bet on anyone getting a regulation change right it would be Mercedes. I would have preferred they leave the rules the same for longer rather than keep resetting every 5 or so years. I could see wanting to keep regulations for longer, but for most of us viewers it gets stale after a while. On this particular occasion tho, the regulation changes started being worked out during a season which was close to unwatchable due to the poor racing. It's not done for just funsies, but because F1 races are getting worse and worse, especially on certain tracks. The cars simply rely on too much downforce in the corners, which is made void whenever they are remotely close to each other. Heck, the DRS is just a massive bandaid to the absolutely hopeless overtaking possibilities that exists right now. Overtaking is practically impossible except for a rather random rule that states "I am within 1 second so now I am much faster on some straights". Some tracks make this worse than others. Honestly I'm not even sure I'll tune in this Sunday, despite the 2 first races this season having been fairly good. I'll catch the beginning, and once things settle down it's going to be an hour of driving around in a circle with no overtaking. Yawn. The new ground-effect rules are practically required if F1 is to continue as a watchable sport. | ||
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The thing that has to be kept in mind is that Mercedes, Red Bull, and Ferrari can't outspend the other teams anymore for 2022. From this year onward, they are now restricted to the same budget cap everyone else is, and since they will be starting back at square one with much less of a built-in advantage, things could be quite different. It was also partly why they banned all 2022 car development last year, since last year was the final year with no budget caps. To put into perspective, the 2022 budget cap is a bit less than what Williams used to spend in 2019. Ferrari's budget used to be roughly triple Williams' (it was around $435 million dollars in 2019 for Ferrari versus around $150 million for Williams). Same with Mercedes'. Red Bull's was a bit less than Ferrari and Mercedes but often almost double some other teams. Now all 3 have to operate with less budget than Sauber and Williams had in 2019. This should have at least some of an impact on their ability to develop a new car. edit: In funny news, Kimi Raikkonen's son roasted him for his crash last week after the race. | ||
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It seems hard to check how much money is being spent on research. Or rather it seems easy to spend extra and not report it. | ||
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On May 08 2021 16:18 bluzi wrote: Can someone comment on the engine situation , will Ferrari be able to upgrade the PU for next season ? the Mercs still have the best PU now days , and it will be sad to see the new regulation start with the same advantage without a chance to fix it , Renault for example , if they cant fix the engine , will be again at the mid of the field. PU development has been freezed from 2022 to 2025. It's not ideal, but the teams have struck an agreement to allow FIA to "address any big gaps in performance". What this entails exactly is anyone's guess. It should be noted that the PU freeze was done in the first place to allow Red Bull to start up their own engine facilities while still being competitive, as they take over from Honda. If Merc developed their engine during this transitional time, RB would effective end up 4 years behind with their own PU. https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-performance-gaps-to-be-addressed-despite-2022-engine-freeze/5405727/#:~:text=The F1 Commission announced last,the new engines in 2025. On May 08 2021 20:50 Laurens wrote: How is such a budget cap enforced? Are there other sports where this principle has successfully been used? It seems hard to check how much money is being spent on research. Or rather it seems easy to spend extra and not report it. FIA has set up their own designated department to police the budget cap. Sortof like the IRS, except they'll look for overspending instead of owed taxes. I'm sure some of the teams will try to cheat their way around this system, but it comes with a chance of getting caught. Sure, you could get away with an hour here or there, but you won't get away with spending $400 million when you were supposed to spend $145m. The only other genre where spending has been as out of control as F1 is WEC LMP1 class, where Porche and Audi ended up spending upwards of $200 million pr season. They're also going through some major changes right now, after everyone except Toyota pulled out. The new "Hypercar" class that has replaced it this year has a budget cap of $23 million for two cars. So far tho, they're making a right mess of it, and both Aston Martin and Peugeot pulled out after initially planning on competing in the new class, as they keep making unpredictable changes to its regulations. (Edit: Apparently Ferrari is planning on entering the Hypercar class. Hopefully they'll work it out. It would be amazing to watch the top class of endurance racing finally have some competition again, and not just two Toyotas rolling around on their own) I don't know many other motorsports that has a budget cap (Except lower end budget races like 24h Lemons $500 rule that is, at best, vaguely enforced). However most sports end up with a natural spending cap due to the limited research they can do in the first place. There's not a lot to spend money on if every part of your car is stock. | ||
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Danny Ric is back on form. He seems to be getting comfy with the car now. He looked fast for every part of qualifying and beat Norris in the end (though to be fair to Norris, Mazepin messed his qualifying up by ruining his Q1 and forcing him to use more tires). Ferrari are up there again. They seem to be making a good recovery. Ocon beat Alonso again, but Alonso said this might happen since he still needs to get back up to pace. edit: Huh, I saw folks mentioning that George Russell is probably not the only person Mercedes is looking at for that Bottas seat should they decide to get rid of Bottas. Ocon might be also. With how Ocon's been performing this year, I could see them looking at him also since he was tied to Mercedes for years before they let him go to Renault so he could be on the grid again. Ocon struggled for the first half of last year, but his performances have drastically improved and this year he is back onto his 2018 form so far. double edit: Apparently Tsunoda was already blaming his car for bad qualifying and is claiming his car is different than Gasly's? That's not a good thing to do. The F1 media did probably overhype him at the start of the season but dude's gotta chill out a bit. He's only on his fourth race in F1 and he's already harming his reputation with these antics. | ||
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He just meant to say that he couldnt get the car working as well as Gasly, not that his car was actually different or not as good as Gasly's. That said, he should chill a bit, because he's getting himself a bad rep in no time like this. | ||
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Unless something has been cut here, no such thing happened. His engineer never told him to shut up. "I can't fucking believe this car" is not an ok thing to say, but in the heat of the moment it's also not the worst thing in the world. Harsher comments have been made by many F1 drivers over the years. But combine that with a less than stellar interview, I get why people are peeved. especially when he's a rookie too, who should be more humble. But I also feel like people are making it out to be worse than it is. edit: Also worth noting that English is Tsunoda's second language, and that cussing is a very common linguistic defence mechanism that people to use as fillers while they wait for their brains to figure out what word they should be saying next. I'm not excusing badmouthing his team by any means, but I can somewhat forgive him for being crude while not necessarily intending to come across as such. | ||
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