I am worried about the world and you should be too
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Starlightsun
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Furthermore, the general public has been heavily programmed to automatically dismiss views that are not mainstream. This is partly out of necessity since anyone and everyone can publish their views instantly to the whole globe now. It's an enormous task filtering out bad information. I think crystallizing your points would help more than a general exhortation to investigate and get mad. But maybe others who are more knowledgeable about the things you're talking about will kickstart discussions... | ||
cha0
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
I agree with some of the points you are making regarding the economic system, but disagree completely with your analysis of the causes and that its a recent thing. An economic crisis may very well happen, but thats not anything unusual: it has happened for the last 150 years, its a feature of the system itself. The government obviously is more favorable to big corperations (or capital, to be more precise) but thats again not anything new and its a feature, not a bug. To be honest, it looks like the corona pandemic has gotten you to panic and you started to believe in everything that could make the situation worse. | ||
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On April 03 2020 07:33 Paljas wrote: I am very sympathetic to a lot of the points you are making, but you are doing a disservice to yourself by mixing up very real and reasonable concerns with dubious speculations (e.g. 5G) and straight up conspiracy (NWO). Your COVID paragraph illustrates this well. You criticize the quarantine and possible even more restrictive actions, but China has had the most restrictive quarantine of all countries and managed to get the situation under control. You praise SK, but their use of private location data is very much in conflict with the private freedom that you hold in such high regard. Acting as if the more widespread usage of mask is the only difference between SK and the US is obviously false. I agree with some of the points you are making regarding the economic system, but disagree completely with your analysis of the causes and that its a recent thing. An economic crisis may very well happen, but thats not anything unusual: it has happened for the last 150 years, its a feature of the system itself. The government obviously is more favorable to big corperations (or capital, to be more precise) but thats again not anything new and its a feature, not a bug. To be honest, it looks like the corona pandemic has gotten you to panic and you started to believe in everything that could make the situation worse. The NWO isn't a theory, it's public information. I even provided sources plainly showing it (replace "weforum" with "new world order" in your head), which I don't really need to because anyone can easily find it.... | ||
Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
On April 03 2020 07:37 travis wrote: The NWO isn't a theory, it's public information. I even provided sources plainly showing it (replace "weforum" with "new world order" in your head), which I don't really need to because anyone can easily find it.... NWO is a common buzzword by conspiracy theorists. You chose to give this name to the idea that we will all get a chip implanted to track us and your "source" is a link to the world economic forum, an NGO which is, as far as i can see, irrelevant (listing of any company which has attended a meeting once doesnt change that). If you can provide a concrete source for your claims, I'd appreciate it. Until now, I will treat the world economic forum for what its is: a bunch of asshole jerking themselves off about how innovative their shitty companies are. You also didnt reply to any other point I made. | ||
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naughtDE
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Travis, it isn't a bad thing if something is labeled a Theory, in fact, every thing in science is a theory. It shows that all people participating in science still have an open mind and are open to accept new facts into their world view. Bayes' Theorem also made it pretty clear to mathematicians up to which point it still is sensible to talk to someone and the moment you take absolute standpoints, you lose anyone unwilling to think anything but logical. Here is my conspiracy theory - the rockefeller university - practically unlimited funding since a century. Now they started to sabotage research, science and education since the early 70s. The big promise of science, even to the most powerful elites of the world, is transhumanism. Their willingness to destroy scientific progress makes me believe that the "essential" technologies have been unlocked. I guess the majority of us, born as slaves, have outlived their usefulness and I think men no longer die, therefore hope is dead. I tip my tinfoil hat to you and charlie chaplin. | ||
BisuDagger
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3 tools have opened my eyes up and helped me pay attention better: 1. Having a real adult job, further more being in the technology field for private and government work 2. Having a family, staying informed, and spending at least an hour a day talking with my wife 3. Reading Atlas Shrugged. Say what you will about the author, but her book in many ways has been a proficy about our government today. Maybe there is better literature for people these days, but you can totally support what she writes in the book and still practice human compassion. | ||
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Uldridge
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Cell phone radiation/microwave radiation might become an issue. However, there not being conclusive evidence is not the reason to be greatly worrying about it. We're still advancing on a global level, both economically (maybe this is the turning point), demographically, culturally and technologically. So as long as these metrics are upheld I don't see a reason to block new tech. I dont necessarily see issues with a digital ID, or a centralized form of ID. It'll make a lot of things easier. Ot might make a few issues more difficult, but we'll manage those when they come around. I haven't trusted politicians or the mainstream media for a while now, so I don't care if theyre all sucking each other off. When have things ever been in control of "the common man". We've always had to swallow change, dictated by those in charge. Only when the bucket was full, we retaliate, because it turns out we're highly adaptable beings. It seems to me you're largely stressing out over a, perhaps too rapidly, changing society. I can understand that. I personally don't care enough to bring the "big bad guys" down because I don't know enough about power dynamics; the sources of power; influence; economy; history and psychology. I just want to do my thing and as long I'm able to do so, I'll live life quite happily. | ||
Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
5G is still in the radio spectrum which is waaaay lower frequency than visible light, so the risk of cancer is higher when you use a lightbulb compared to using 5G. | ||
virpi
Germany3598 Posts
After 1990 there has been a lull in the fight for world domination, the west had "won" and that was it. Haha, Fukuyama, you were wrong (and misunderstood). But then globalization sped up, Europe and China became stronger and the US spent trillions of dollars on wars that won them almost nothing. There's just too much stuff happening asynchronously. Everywhere, at any time, but in different speeds and ways. Covid19 has shown us one thing: We're living on one planet and our economies are intertwined on a global level. There's a lot of "they" and "them" in your post. "They" have always existed. Those who are an power will generally try their hardest to stay there. I'm not going full Hegel, because I think his conclusion was wrong, but human actions can be viewed dialectically. (I don't know if that's the correct english term.) There are dichotomies, like "freedom and safety", "war and peace", "globalization and nationalism", and so on. These contradicting ideas dominate politics. Now if you're saying that the powerful willfully are trying to install a global terror regime, you're getting one basic thing wrong: It's the people, not the powerful. The people have never been safer from danger than they are now, especially in first world countries. We're living in paradise, but we begin to understand that we can't go on like this forever. Mass surveillance is happening, right here, right now, because a) people don't give a shit and b) power is cool. People are also pretty dumb on average. They want to live a life they can understand. I agree that we're on the verge on a fundamental shift in history, Covid19 might be the kicker. But even though I've got a degree in History, I will refrain from making any prognosis. We aren't even capable of predicting the weather accurately for more than 2 weeks. There's only one thing I'm pretty sure about: There is no point humanity as a whole is moving towards, because that's an oversimplification. Oversimpflications never do well in the long run. | ||
ShoCkeyy
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On April 03 2020 22:14 Uldridge wrote: I don't know if I'm succint enough to actually make decent points here, but I do want to chip in: Cell phone radiation/microwave radiation might become an issue. However, there not being conclusive evidence is not the reason to be greatly worrying about it. We're still advancing on a global level, both economically (maybe this is the turning point), demographically, culturally and technologically. So as long as these metrics are upheld I don't see a reason to block new tech. I dont necessarily see issues with a digital ID, or a centralized form of ID. It'll make a lot of things easier. Ot might make a few issues more difficult, but we'll manage those when they come around. I haven't trusted politicians or the mainstream media for a while now, so I don't care if theyre all sucking each other off. When have things ever been in control of "the common man". We've always had to swallow change, dictated by those in charge. Only when the bucket was full, we retaliate, because it turns out we're highly adaptable beings. It seems to me you're largely stressing out over a, perhaps too rapidly, changing society. I can understand that. I personally don't care enough to bring the "big bad guys" down because I don't know enough about power dynamics; the sources of power; influence; economy; history and psychology. I just want to do my thing and as long I'm able to do so, I'll live life quite happily. We already have digital ID's... While they're not implanted, we have multiple digital ids that are easily tracked. If you think it's not, you haven't really looked at the technology that's already out there like Tectonix. We're all already tracked by the government, our ISP's, our cell phone provider, when you make a purchase, your bank... It's all there. 5G is already setup all over in big cities, and theyre going to continue adding them because there isn't really a present danger with them. The scientificamerican article you posted is actually an opinion piece. Nothing else. 5G is about as dangerous as your CRT monitor. You can read more here: https://www.howtogeek.com/423720/how-worried-should-you-be-about-the-health-risks-of-5g/ And the the bigger item, people don't want drastic changes, revolution is a drastic change, and that won't happen until personal lives by the millions have been affected. | ||
No0n
United States355 Posts
I am going to give a very brief rundown of the state of the U.S. economy. The U.S. economy uses fiat money. Fiat means that its value is simply the result of government decree. It's not actually backed by anything real. Our money is not backed by gold, if you thought it was. Our money is commonly referred to as the "petro-dollar". It is called this because for many decades now, the world has run on oil. And, the U.S. has made deals with oil producing countries, where we get access to the oil and they get paid in our dollars. Since these countries provide the world with oil, it ensures that other countries around the world must also use the petro-dollar. This ensures that the dollar, our fiat money, is given respect around the world. I just want to focus on the economic aspects of your post. You are correct that the U.S. dollar is a fiat currency. All major currencies in the world are fiat in the modern day. You are wrong in where the U.S. dollars gets "respect" from. The petrodollar comes from the fact that the U.S. was a huge importer of Oil, and in the 70s there was a huge oil crisis that resulted in a huge price spike in oil. US and Saudi Arabia decided to agree to determine all oil deals to be numerated in USD. The respect for the U.S. dollar comes from the U.S. dollar being the reserve currency of the world i.e. the "gold" of all other currencies. This came about in 1944 from the Bretton Woods agreement between the allied powers, which placed the USD as the reserve currency of the world, with the USD being tied to gold's value. The other international currencies were exchange rates were pegged to the USD at a constant rate until around 1971, when the US unilaterally eliminated the USD's interchangeability with gold. This also unpegged a variety of other currencies, which became free floating (the GBP is one example). The reasoning behind this decision was to ease the stagflation of the 70's, enacted by Nixon. This also played into the petrodollar agreement with Saudi Arabia mentioned above. The federal reserve controls financial policy. As one of its powers, it can direct the treasury to create more fiat money. Typically, it disburses this money by loaning it to banks. This includes not only U.S. banks, but the banks of other countries as well. This money is lent, with interest. These banks in turn lend that money out to people, businesses, etc. Again, it's lent with interest. Think about that for a second. Think about what I am saying. Every time the fed creates money, it is adding debt to the economy. And guess who takes on the most debt? It is the people at the lowest point of the disbursement - it's us. Our economic system is one of financial debt. And the reality is, the growth of this debt is extreme due to the rampant use of the fractional banking paradigm. Most people are in debt. This is why. And, it's intentional. It's not unreasonable to say that this is a form of financial slavery. It's why, despite humanity being the most capable it's ever been, the wealth disparity throughout the world is horrendous. And, if only people knew what was going on right now financially... but more on that later. This also is also a kind of twisted understanding of what the Federal Reserve does. Firstly, the fed isn't a government entity. Secondly, the fed cannot tell the treasury to create more money. How the "creation" of money works is super complicated, and I'm not going to pretend I know EXACTLY what's going on, but the general is as follows: The fed lowers the interest rate that banks can lend to other banks, and can also reduce the reserve cash requirement that banks must hold. This freed up cash is then lent to businesses and individuals at a slightly higher interest rate, or other banks. More cash in the economy means more cash in the hands of more people, at least that's the idea. However, please note that the money must be paid back, and the fed isn't directly lending to the banks. In fact, it's actually banks taking loans from other banks so they can ensure they have the reserve requirement, while also expand lending operations. The interest rate disparity is what "creates" the money. And the fed can also make money disappear from the system, if needed. Also, to my knowledge, the fed cannot lend to other countries. Only recently has the fed reopened it's dollar swap agency, which is really an emergency solution to illiquidity in the treasury security markets. The economy is currently being intentionally collapsed. The markets are propped up with debt on top of debt on top of debt. When covid19 started collapsing the markets, the fed started loaning out money to banks and corporations, with hilariously low interest rates. I highly doubt that the economy is being intentionally collapsed. In economic collapse, many people lose wealth, but as fucked up as it is to say, the biggest losers wealth wise are those with high net worth. They own the most assets which lose the most value. If you have no money, you cannot lose as much money as some one who loses 12 million net worth in one day. About the debt being disbursed: Right now we are in unprecedented economic times. Central banks around the world are trying, with all their tools, prevent economic collapse. Starting from the 2008 collapse, there has been these new tools that central banks have started using, pioneered by the Bank of Japan (equivalent as the federal reserve for japan). These are tools from a school of thought called Modern Monetary Theory. Among many tools that come from MMT that you may have heard of: negative interest rates, quantitative easing. MMT is key to the US and Federal Reserve response in the current economic climate, and 2008. The five most important concepts behind MMT are that governments that issue their own fiat currency can: 1. Can pay for goods, services, and financial assets without a need to collect money in the form of taxes or debt issuance in advance of such purchases; 2. Cannot be forced to default on debt denominated in its own currency; 3. Is only limited in its money creation and purchases by inflation, which accelerates once the real resources (labour, capital and natural resources) of the economy are utilized at full employment; 4. Can control demand-pull inflation by taxation and bond issuance, which remove excess money from circulation (although the political will to do so may not always exist); 5. Does not need to compete with the private sector for scarce savings by issuing bonds. Until 2008, MMT was just a theory. Due to the unprecedented nature of the financial collapse in 08, new tools were needed to stop the collapse, and certain MMT policies were implemented, as mentioned above. There is a large amount of debate around MMT, but most economists believe that MMT doesn't hold up in the real world. But, this is one advantage having the USD be the reserve currency of the world has: you can print as much as you like, and it doesn't really lose it's value as long as it continues to be the reserve currency, so MMT policies can be tried on a truly massive scale. As an aside, that's probably how the 2 trillion dollar relief package will be funded. The government will issue 2 trillion dollars worth of treasuries, which will be promptly bought by large institutions such as Goldman Sachs and JPM, which will in turn be traded at the Federal Reserve for cash, leaving the 25 and 50 year treasury notes on the fed's balance sheet until expiration. These organizations in turn buy up market assets at low prices. The fed is pumping out more and more money, adding to the debt at an insane rate. It cannot last, confidence in the dollar is waning. Combined with the fact that the supply chain is being slowed and, in some cases halted, we are entering an incredibly dangerous period in the world economy. It will not be long until people realize their money is losing value as a result of people losing confidence in the currency. You are not wrong that correctly positioned organizations are in a position to buy up market assets at low prices. The fed pumping more cash into the system is in line with the current economic environment. The last thing anyone wants is depression. In almost every scenario, inflation is better than a deflationary spiral. With an unprecedented collapse in demand, no one can spend money outside, and if left unchecked, this situation could easily cause a deflationary spiral, and create an even greater depression than 1929. To counteract this deflationary pressure, the fed has been pumping liquidity into markets as INFLATIONARY pressure. And contrary to your point, dollar has been increasing in value every day, since globally, the safest currency is US dollars. That's where the "international" loans from the fed come from. Really, what the fed is doing is offering a swap line to trade your US government bonds for USD for a short period of time, instead of all these countries sovereign funds dumping US treasuries into the open market for cash causing the US treasury market to collapse. If you knew everyone was going to dump US treasuries, why would you buy the US treasuries when the price will just go down as the supply of US treasuries on the market increases exponentially as countries will need to sell more and more treasuries to get the same amount of cash as 1 treasury would've been worth 2 days ago. This is the advantage the USD has as the reserve currency of the world. It'll be incredibly hard for the globe to lose confidence in the dollar in the near future, especially with the federal reserve continuing to support the US dollar. In the meantime, the federal government is giving out dinky checks to citizens (did I mention the original stimulus package wanted to distribute this money as digital currency?). So common people get dinky checks, and corporations get billion-dollar loans. Guess what they are doing with those loans? They are buying assets! They are buying property. They are going to buy up everything. And even if there are some weak protections right now, they know that soon people will be defaulting on mortgages. And they will buy them up. And the people will have even less, and the wealthy will have even more. And it's intentional. This is a valid moral hazard with MMT and the types of actions that the Fed has taken since 2008. Does it incentivize large corporations to take riskier decisions with the safeguard of the Federal government backstopping their losses The issue is this: if, in 2008, the large banks were allowed to fail, the ensuing economic damage globally would've been far larger. Many more people would have died and lost their entire net worth, possibility initiating civil unrest and violence. There are still many, many aftershocks felt till this day e.g. Deutsche Bank's problems (they still hold a large amount of essentially worthless Mortgage back securities), or in Detroit where the economy probably hasn't even recovered since 2008 till now. Would this have been worth it to ensure the free market continues to function? It's up to debate, since the effects during the recession/potential depression would've been far worse, but the resulting situation would probably have been a far healthier economy today (deleveraged economy). Also, I doubt there is a push for a NWO. It's more of a attempt to maintain the current world order if anything, with the US being on top, followed by Europe. Like, how would Russia and China or Africa even be in line with this NWO. China is trying to create it's own petroyuan, instead of relying on USD and the petrodollar. And Europe seems to be moving away from the US due to the US government's isolationist policies. Sometimes I feel that NWO conspiracies are really just an attempt for Americans to find something to blame for the discrepancy between the image they have of the US as number 1, and the actual fact of America. When America does something good, it's the true, real America. When America does something dumb or makes a mistake, it's some external actor that has ill intentions that has infiltrated the government (or is the government). | ||
Anc13nt
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Edit: As well, it appears to me that the neoliberal world order that people like Biden support is showing signs of collapse as third-way/centrist parties have overall been doing considerably worse in most western countries. I speculate that a worldwide political realignment will be happening in a couple of years. It happened in 70s or 80s when neoliberalism replaced keynesian economics as the consensus on how countries should be run and I think it will happen again because discontentment about corporate practices, income inequality, immigration, free trade will eventually come to ahead. I fear that the next paradigm will be nationalism (especially with COVID 19 happening) but only time will tell. | ||
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