I would want to watch that even more than a McGregor/Khabib rematch or Connor fighting Jorge...although Connor/Jorge press conferences would be fun lol
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I would want to watch that even more than a McGregor/Khabib rematch or Connor fighting Jorge...although Connor/Jorge press conferences would be fun lol | ||
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The UFC 246 prelims peaked at 1.9 million viewers. That's well above average. Dana said the PPV buy rate "killed it" and the live gate was the 4th largest in UFC history at $11+ Million. After the event Dana was the happiest I've ever seen him. The UFC handed out 5 different $50,000 bonuses. So that doesn't look weak to me. | ||
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obviously not in its ability to draw in casuals | ||
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On January 21 2020 15:05 GTR wrote: i think gsp is done for though. too many health issues. Yeah I don't think it is that realistic, just think it would bring a record amount of eyeballs. On January 22 2020 07:16 CorsairHero wrote: it was a weak card obviously not in its ability to draw in casuals Exactly it has nothing to do with PPV buys, if it did the Floyd vs Pacman card would be the strongest card of all time and I bet 95% of the people that watched it couldn't name 4 fighters on the card without looking it up. Casuals only care about the star power of the main event. So in short term thinking it actually makes sense to put as terrible as you can card with Mcgreggor because he will pull in the views alone. | ||
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On January 22 2020 08:53 JimmiC wrote: Yeah I don't think it is that realistic, just think it would bring a record amount of eyeballs. Exactly it has nothing to do with PPV buys, if it did the Floyd vs Pacman card would be the strongest card of all time and I bet 95% of the people that watched it couldn't name 4 fighters on the card without looking it up. Casuals only care about the star power of the main event. So in short term thinking it actually makes sense to put as terrible as you can card with Mcgreggor because he will pull in the views alone. On January 22 2020 06:13 Rebs wrote: No that means the UFC Is strong enough to get so much of a weakish card. And its only going to get bigger. it was not weak. that doesn't mean it was a great card. casuals don't watch prelims which is why prelims draw less than 1 million viewers.. the high prelims rating indicates lots of non-casuals watching low ranked fighters competing for several consecutive hours. casuals don't watch 5+ hours of fighting in waiting for the main event draw. i went to a sportsbar. everyone was watching hockey and basketball until about 11pm. at this point the casuals moved their attention from hockey and basketball onto the UFC event. this is common behaviour of casuals. watch the 7pm/8pm hockey/basketball/football games and move to the UFC after the early game is done. therefore, the card was not weak. double the usual # of hardcores were watching for many hours as i indicated in my previous post. | ||
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It is strong or weak based on the quality of the fights. The main event was two light weights coming off losses. But a huge draw in Mcgreggor and a long time scrapper who has lost his chin. The co main event was a woman who was 2-5 in her last 7 and another was 1-2 with her last fight being a prelim split decision on a undercard of a ESPN fight. Then you had a 42 year old coming off two losses and a guy coming off a tko loss on the prelim of a espn+ card,ffs! Then you have brian keller coming off two losses vs a guy who doesnt even have his own wikipedia page And then finally one decent fight on the main card of a ex champion (who is 4-7 last 11 but decent name and exciting fighter) vs a up and comer who had 5 in a tow and deserved a fight on the main card. So basically you have a questionable main event as far as competitiveness but big on star power, and one decent main card fight. With 3 fights that have no place being anywhere near a main event. This felt like a boxing card not a UFC card. | ||
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On January 22 2020 09:32 JimmiC wrote: That is one of the most ridiculous statements and reasoning that has been written. It is strong or weak based on the quality of the fights. The main event was two light weights coming off losses. But a huge draw in Mcgreggor and a long time scrapper who has lost his chin. The co main event was a woman who was 2-5 in her last 7 and another was 1-2 with her last fight being a prelim split decision on a undercard of a ESPN fight. Then you had a 42 year old coming off two losses and a guy coming off a tko loss on the prelim of a espn+ card,ffs! Then you have brian keller coming off two losses vs a guy who doesnt even have his own wikipedia page And then finally one decent fight on the main card of a ex champion (who is 4-7 last 11 but decent name and exciting fighter) vs a up and comer who had 5 in a tow and deserved a fight on the main card. So basically you have a questionable main event as far as competitiveness but big on star power, and one decent main card fight. With 3 fights that have no place being anywhere near a main event. This felt like a boxing card not a UFC card. if it were a weak card the prelims rating would've been low. they were high. Like most casuals i watched a series of "early game" NBA contests and turned to the UFC only after those early NBA games were done. i watched about an hour of the UFC and i was satisfied with the product. the hardcores liked it and watched for many hours. i'm glad they enjoyed themselves. | ||
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The card was weak because it had bad fighters on it. The ratings have nothing to do with it. On MMA web boards there are many posts asking if it is the worst card ever. As a casual who does not follow the sport or really care that much, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Hopefully Dana puts together a good card with a big star headlining so you get to experience a good card. As someone who watches and participates I'm glad I didn't buy the main card and the prelim card was So-so but it is a mixed bag, and that is what you expect. I wish there was stat's on MMA fans vs Casuals because I bet MMA fans buys were way down, I don't know anyone personally that paid for or went to a bar to watch this card and most of my friends enjoy MMA. Edit: I'm not trying to crap on you, or your experience, if you had a good time that is great. Just generally the main card of PPV is full of title contenders or future title contenders and considering the number of eyeballs that are going to watch any mcgreggor fight most of us were hopeful that they would at least put in a bunch of young guns to try to build future stars or at the very least battles of top 5 guys. If you liked it, that is actually good because many of the cards you go to PPV's in the future will feature higher quality bouts. Or at the very least fights with title implications. | ||
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On January 22 2020 09:55 JimmiC wrote: Edit: I'm not trying to crap on you, or your experience, if you had a good time that is great. Just generally the main card of PPV is full of title contenders or future title contenders and considering the number of eyeballs that are going to watch any mcgreggor fight most of us were hopeful that they would at least put in a bunch of young guns to try to build future stars or at the very least battles of top 5 guys. If you liked it, that is actually good because many of the cards you go to PPV's in the future will feature higher quality bouts. Or at the very least fights with title implications. i'm not a hardcore follower any longer. i'm just a filthy casual. all i'm doing is going by the #s. If the over all card was indeed poor/low quality and the published ESPN prelim ratings are legit then Dana White is an even bigger marketing genius than i thought he was. | ||
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Masvidal (+200) Nurmagomedov (+300) Justin Gaethje (+600), Usman (+900), Nate Diaz (+1000), Floyd Mayweather (+1200), and Ferguson (+1400). I'm thinking that the smart money is actually on Ferguson. My thinking is he is only a +190 dog and if he upsets the Eagle and is not hurt (I guess that is the biggest risk) fighting Mcgreggor makes tons of sense. New opponent for the title with a ton of hype after knocking off Nurmagomedov. It is pretty high odds when there is a pretty clear path to how it happens. Thoughts? | ||
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On January 22 2020 09:32 JimmiC wrote: That is one of the most ridiculous statements and reasoning that has been written. after going through the #s I'd now have to conclude that this comment is off base. On January 22 2020 12:15 JimmiC wrote: More just that conner is that big a star. I bet if looked back at GSP cards the prelim numbers were also better. And this prelim was not particularly bad or strong, where the card was weak was that 2-4 did not belong on a main card. i'm referring to the entire card that includes Prelims and PPV. You said PPV #s don't mean anything in an earlier post. SO which is it? any how, UFC 129 , GSP's biggest show at the absolute peak of his career with a gate of $12.1 million USD drew 1.5 million viewers on Spike TV for the prelims. I'd say UFC 129 was a very strong card. I don't think UFC 246 was weak .. i'd say it was slightly below average or better. Both drew simiilar #s. I'd say UFC 129 was very strong. You've stated the prelims were neither strong nor weak. I agree. You've stated 3 fights out of an 11 fight show were below par in terms of fighter credentials and experience not befitting a PPV show. Anyhow, at this point I'd say we're splitting hairs and talking past each other. So, Peace Out. On January 22 2020 13:16 CorsairHero wrote: 1.9 million people are not there to watch Maycee Barber headline the prelim lmao the hardcores I know don't sit around watching fights they don't like for 5 hours. LMAO. | ||
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I mean it is a matter of opinion. If you think Maurice Green is main card on PPV quality then good for you, just PPV don't matter for quality. Time and time again it has been proven that star power is what drives sales and views. Dana knows this and this is why the big draws make the big money. | ||
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