Here is an article pretty in depth where they look into the US case on "pollo" Carvajal, he used to be the leader of Venezuelan spy organization. It appears he is going to cooperate with the American's which could be a big deal, but probably not since I'm sure everything he knows is out of date now as far as drug trafficking routes and so on. But who is in charge of what and other details maybe he can provide.
This article is from the Miami herald which is pretty anti Cuban since many of their readers have either escaped from Cuba or family has. With Maduro being Cuba's biggest ally they are also not found of him.
Still nothing from Brazil. Which is good as that would signal the crisis is spreading this seems to be Maduro letting the Military put on a show so they can at least answer what they perceive as Colombian aggression and maintain some public support at the same time.
I was trying to understand his point. To your point yes US was involved in both, in completely different ways. For example one was a coup one was not. I dont deny things that are actual facts, just your presumptions.
On September 19 2019 00:14 JimmiC wrote: I was trying to understand his point. To your point yes US was involved in both, in completely different ways. For example one was a coup one was not. I dont deny things that are actual facts, just your presumptions.
Everyone from The Wall Street journal to NPR has referred to the situation as a failed "coup" but if you want to argue semantics go right ahead.
EDIT: your following post should demonstrate why it's not worth their time, hopefully they find that helpful.
On September 19 2019 00:14 JimmiC wrote: I was trying to understand his point. To your point yes US was involved in both, in completely different ways. For example one was a coup one was not. I dont deny things that are actual facts, just your presumptions.
Everyone from The Wall Street journal to NPR has referred to the situation as a failed "coup" but if you want to argue semantics go right ahead.
Perhaps they are talking about the failed military uprising from a few months ago. Certainly not the whole situation which is not controlled by the US no matter how many times you write inflammatory made up things like "puppet". At any rate considering you again dodged the even slightly hard question, as usual I'd rather not get into it with you. Because I'd rather talk to someone who has a different perspective and does not just ignore FACTS that don't agree with his position. Such as the countries that support Guadio (not just the US or even close) and the countries that support Maduro (almost all dictatorships, go figure)
And for a guy who is constantly "done" with me. You sure feel the need to respond to a lot of posts.
After a lengthly detention where he was not able to see his wife for 34 days and lawyers for over 2 months Guaido second in command was released from prison. The regime says he was held for treason and he says he was kidnapped for thinking different. This was after Guaido called for the military to switch sides in a failed military uprising. He has called for the release of all political prisoners.
On September 19 2019 00:14 JimmiC wrote: I was trying to understand his point. To your point yes US was involved in both, in completely different ways. For example one was a coup one was not. I dont deny things that are actual facts, just your presumptions.
Do I really need to post articles about the massive economics sanctions and political pressions (+ an active and overly obvious research to corrupt their military in order to provoke a coup) the USA apply to these countries in order to see their regime crumble ? The major difference is Guaido as a liberal democrat won't necesseraly slaughter his political opponents like Pinochet but as a member of the oligarchy and an american puppet, it will still be tough as hell.
On September 19 2019 00:14 JimmiC wrote: I was trying to understand his point. To your point yes US was involved in both, in completely different ways. For example one was a coup one was not. I dont deny things that are actual facts, just your presumptions.
Do I really need to post articles about the massive economics sanctions and political pressions (+ an active and overly obvious research to corrupt their military in order to provoke a coup) the USA apply to these countries in order to see their regime crumble ? The major difference is Guaido as a liberal democrat won't necesseraly slaughter his political opponents like Pinochet but as a member of the oligarchy and an american puppet, it will still be tough as hell.
Is not massive economic sanctions different? Is not over 50 countries supporting Guaido different? Is Guadio using the constitution different? Is it not different that over 3 million have fled, 2 million before the sanctions different?
This is a legal attempt to overthrow a dictator, yes the US was involved in both. But you are leaving out that basically every democracy that has picked a side has picked Guaido. And it isnt the left that is supporting Maduro, it is dictatorships.
How do you think the world should support people trying to get out from under a dictatorship?
In crypto currency news, Maduro continues to try to make his Petro the main currency. The US has also sanctioned it since its goal is to be able to aviod the US sanctions.
Guaido is photo'd again with a Narco from Columbia, unlike the other ones where he responded with that he didn't know who they were and took pictures with anyone he, his party, the US and Columbia has not commented on these. It is a bad look no doubt. If he is getting into this kind of shit to try to over throw Maduro there is going to be a future cost, and worse yet he might also be a Narco. The US (among many countries) really needs to address the drug war, realize it is unwinable and is creating way WAY more problems. Legalize, regulate, Tax, and social programs addressing addiction. Otherwise that dirty money is going to keep messing up every country south of their border. And their own countries for that matter.
It appears that Maduro's government is looking to more officially confiscate peoples homes who have left Venezuela. Currently Collectivo's (the drug gangs that control much of the territory in Venezuela in exchange for payments and loyalty to the government) do take over some apartments but this appears to be a more official and comprehensive approach.
For those interested in crypto, Venezuela is diving in far more than any government to my knowledge. The big reason for this is of course the sanctions and trying to avoid them. But beyond that it is interesting to see how they try to deal with the functional issues of using crypto at this stage.
The scariest news is that the UN is going to investigate the over 6000 deaths in political raids that the government has reported and that the countries around Venezuela have claimed are executions. The Venezuelan governments position is that it is a US lead conspiracy against them.
Amnesty international is strongly supporting the UN looking into the human rights violations in Venezuela that they believe are breaking international law. This could be a precursor to eventual war crimes charges against Maduro and members of his government and military.
On September 28 2019 05:37 JimmiC wrote: Amnesty international is strongly supporting the UN looking into the human rights violations in Venezuela that they believe are breaking international law. This could be a precursor to eventual war crimes charges against Maduro and members of his government and military.
What would need to happen for you to be ok with an international coalition steping in and military deposing Maduro? Mass executions? Civil War (they sort of have that)? Gas chambers?
On September 28 2019 05:37 JimmiC wrote: Amnesty international is strongly supporting the UN looking into the human rights violations in Venezuela that they believe are breaking international law. This could be a precursor to eventual war crimes charges against Maduro and members of his government and military.
What would need to happen for you to be ok with an international coalition steping in and military deposing Maduro? Mass executions? Civil War (they sort of have that)? Gas chambers?
Fully honest question.
Man... hard question because these things have worked out so poorly in the past. For sure it would have to be a international coalition, with a step by step plan on how they would give power back to the Venezuelan's in short order. Along with strong new anti corruption laws and oversight. I mean I think I would be close if that investigation shows they executed over 6000 people for political differences but it is so hard because a armed conflict would likely kill more.
If there were gas chambers, or they were targeting one ethnic or religious group in a attempted genocide I would be on board. It is really hard because the cost of going in is so high (meaning so many people would die or be injured in the conflict) and then globally the world has been really bad at setting up successful systems after. The power vacuum created by the Dictators to protect themselves seem to leave the countries ripe for the picking of a just as bad new dictator after.
I'm not trying to dodge your question. It is just really hard to answer because the choices are all bad.
What I really with the US would do is legalize drugs, regulate and tax them. I think this would help to solve a lot of the problems. I already think the legalizing of pot in some areas and sports betting in others has helped to take some of their money from organized crime but Venezuelan leadership makes so much money on the drug trade in money that can't be sanctioned, so many of the current sanctions just end up hurting the people they are meant to help. while Maduro and his cronies can continue to live lives of luxury off their drug profits. There does not seem to be a clear and correct answer of how to solve this quagmire. Even these pictures of Guaido with Columbian Narco's dirty up his image making the worry that a transition to him might just change who is abusing the system and their power not actually stop the abuse.
Reuters reports that the US will be providing Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido with $52 million in funding. Guaido's office says the US, not his office, will be directing the said funds for the opposition.
UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - The United States said on Tuesday it will provide $52 million (£41.6 million) in funding to Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido, an escalation of support even as his push to oust socialist President Nicolas Maduro stalls.
Maduro, a socialist who has overseen an economic collapse and is accused of corruption and rights abuses, calls Guaido a coup-mongering U.S. puppet, an accusation likely to be bolstered by USAID’s announcement.
In a statement posted on Twitter, Guaido’s office thanked USAID for the aid but said it would not administer any of the funds itself, given that it has not yet appointed a comptroller.
“100% of the resources will be administered through implementing parties authorized by U.S. authorities,” the statement read.
It's a PR war more than anything, ain't nobody removing Maduro from power. There was recently an interview with an argentinian ambassador in Venezuela and he explained that Maduro gave a lot of power to the military by making it the core of the government employment, so a lot of people are literally getting paid to defend the regime, it's the only job they can get.
So who does one believe? Unless the reforms are masked to hide other details not known to the public. Or the far right party, which is a problem all in it self.
Peruvian president Martín Vizcarra has dissolved Congress to end a year-long battle with rightwing lawmakers over his anti-corruption campaign, but rebel legislators refused to leave the chamber as protests against them started across the country.
Peru’s worst political crisis in two decades threatens unrest in the South American country and could bring lawmaking to a halt.
“Peruvian people, we have done all we could,” Vizcarra told the nation in a televised message. He vowed to call new legislative elections to let voters weigh in on a dispute he says has stymied his bid to stamp out graft in the ruling class.
Opposition representatives cried “Dictator” after Vizcarra invoked a constitutional article allowing presidents to dissolve Congress. The chamber immediately voted to declare him temporarily suspended, naming vice president Mercedes Araoz to replace him.
But a government source said their efforts were void, since Congress was already officially closed.
Vizcarra accused Popular Force, the opposition majority party led by jailed former presidential candidate Keiko Fujimori, of trying to use democratic institutions for personal gain.
The party has dragged its feet on passing his anti-corruption reforms and last week shelved his bill for a snap general election to end the impasse.
The last straw, Vizcarra said, was Congress’ appointment on Monday of a new member to the top court, the constitutional tribunal, which would be the likely referee in a legal dispute between Congress and the government.
Proposed nominees for up to six of the tribunal’s seven members had drawn fire for links to criminally suspect judges.
“What happened in Congress underscores the shamelessness to which the parliamentary majority has fallen,” Vizcarra added.
Peru’s mining-powered economy has largely shrugged off increasing bouts of political turmoil in recent years, including the resignation last year of former president Pedro Pablo Kuczynski in a clash with Popular Force.
Kuczynski and Peru’s three other most recent presidents have been ensnared in a massive bribery scandal involving Brazilian builder Odebrecht.
Fujimori, the daughter of former authoritarian president Alberto Fujimori, is in pre-trial detention in a case related to Odebrecht.
Protesters gathered outside Congress in Lima on Monday night to pressure lawmakers to leave, while police in riot gear stood by. Domestic media said protests in support of Vizcarra had also started in other cities across the country.
Most Peruvians in recent opinion polls have expressed support for the dissolution of Congress. Vizcarra is often greeted on the streets with shouts encouraging the move.
Peru’s constitution allows presidents to dissolve Congress to call new elections if lawmakers deliver two votes of no-confidence in a government. The current Congress has already voted once that it had no confidence in the government.
Vizcarra said he counted Congress’ appointment of a new member to the constitutional tribunal as a second vote of no-confidence.
But lawmakers, who voted to renew their confidence in his government on Monday, said he had overstepped constitutional limits by overriding Congress’ powers to appoint tribunal judges.
“Vizcarra and his ministers will end up in jail. We will end up in history!” said former congressman Jorge del Castillo.
On September 19 2019 00:14 JimmiC wrote: I was trying to understand his point. To your point yes US was involved in both, in completely different ways. For example one was a coup one was not. I dont deny things that are actual facts, just your presumptions.
Do I really need to post articles about the massive economics sanctions and political pressions (+ an active and overly obvious research to corrupt their military in order to provoke a coup) the USA apply to these countries in order to see their regime crumble ? The major difference is Guaido as a liberal democrat won't necesseraly slaughter his political opponents like Pinochet but as a member of the oligarchy and an american puppet, it will still be tough as hell.
Is not massive economic sanctions different? Is not over 50 countries supporting Guaido different? Is Guadio using the constitution different? Is it not different that over 3 million have fled, 2 million before the sanctions different?
This is a legal attempt to overthrow a dictator, yes the US was involved in both. But you are leaving out that basically every democracy that has picked a side has picked Guaido. And it isnt the left that is supporting Maduro, it is dictatorships.
How do you think the world should support people trying to get out from under a dictatorship?
I wonder why you think massive economics sanction are different in these two cases, that's the same story : you strangle economically a state and then declare its governement inapt (btw, venezuela has always been under sanction, since chavez...) , then you overthrow them and liberals are happy.
Moreover, you tried to bring democracy in Afghanistan, Vietnam, Iraq, Lybia (and proceeded to utterly destroy the state of 3 of these nations) this makes the way you formulate your last question so damn annoying and in the context, it's maybe not criminal but cmon, let's try to be a bit less selfcentered : "How do you think the world shoud support people trying to get out from USA influence ?" See ? That's way better. As for the legality of the coup made by Gaido, well, even the anglo saxon media speaks of "self proclaimed president", this timorous formula by biaised medias says it all.
Btw, you should add "liberal democracy" when you're talking about all the subservient states who are following usa imperialist policy as democracy is supposed to serve the interest of the majority, the public good which is not what the occidental political system is about, if it was the case, healthcare and a good education should be free in the richest country in the world but we both know it just can't happen in this political culture and system no matther who is in command. (I am fairly sure Obama was a decent human being which is pretty rare in politics but he couldn't do shits) I know, democracy is a fetish everyone loves but it's a word with so much political implications, applications and forms it should not be used carelessly.
Same goes for the "left", we have a different defintion, a leftist in usa is a rich person (or someone who follows their interest) who plays the divide and conquer game with minorities in order to keep its cultural and economical privilege, so an anglo saxon leftist encourages racisme, hatred, religious fanatism. Obviously, despite their rhetoric, an american leftist wants a free market and more populations to dominate in the name of "democracy", Venezuela appears as a good target. As an eu leftist who actually cares a bit about social equality, I choose 50 times a guy like Putin over Trudeau, at least the first one managed to drastically increase the standart of living of his compatriots after the reign of the pro USA Yeltsin (how many deads with the shock therapy ?) and is in opposition to usa, as for their democratic approach, both are a joke.