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On September 21 2019 08:28 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2019 08:19 Charoisaur wrote:
1. INnoVation
2. Maru
3. sOs
4. Zest
5. Life
6. Mvp
7. Stats
8. soO
9. Classic
10. herO
11. Rain
12. Dark
13. MMA
14. MC
15. TaeJa
16. Polt
17. Rogue
18. Serral
19. NesTea
20. PartinG Serral at 18 cant see this having any kind of blowback
The only one I can see Serral being ahead of is Rogue (even though I disagree) but there's no way he's above any of the others. TaeJa, Polt, MC and MMA have won around the same amount of tournaments as Serral who were on average harder to win so there's no argument there. Putting him above any of the top 10 is ridicolous.
At least when we go by pure achievements without giving extra points for dominance which the Serral fans desperately want to do to justify him as the GOAT.
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Northern Ireland23096 Posts
On September 21 2019 08:36 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2019 08:28 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 21 2019 08:19 Charoisaur wrote:
1. INnoVation
2. Maru
3. sOs
4. Zest
5. Life
6. Mvp
7. Stats
8. soO
9. Classic
10. herO
11. Rain
12. Dark
13. MMA
14. MC
15. TaeJa
16. Polt
17. Rogue
18. Serral
19. NesTea
20. PartinG Serral at 18 cant see this having any kind of blowback The only one I can see Serral being ahead of is Rogue (even though I disagree) but there's no way he's above any of the others. TaeJa, Polt, MC and MMA have won around the same amount of tournaments as Serral who were on average harder to win so there's no argument there. Putting him above any of the top 10 is ridicolous. At least when we go by pure achievements without giving extra points for dominance which the Serral fans desperately want to do to justify him as the GOAT.
Polt, MC and MMA had great periods for sure, are they ahead of the guy?
What has Dark done to be ahead of Serral, especially given their head to head?
18th?
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Canada8984 Posts
On September 21 2019 08:49 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2019 08:36 Charoisaur wrote:On September 21 2019 08:28 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 21 2019 08:19 Charoisaur wrote:
1. INnoVation
2. Maru
3. sOs
4. Zest
5. Life
6. Mvp
7. Stats
8. soO
9. Classic
10. herO
11. Rain
12. Dark
13. MMA
14. MC
15. TaeJa
16. Polt
17. Rogue
18. Serral
19. NesTea
20. PartinG Serral at 18 cant see this having any kind of blowback The only one I can see Serral being ahead of is Rogue (even though I disagree) but there's no way he's above any of the others. TaeJa, Polt, MC and MMA have won around the same amount of tournaments as Serral who were on average harder to win so there's no argument there. Putting him above any of the top 10 is ridicolous. At least when we go by pure achievements without giving extra points for dominance which the Serral fans desperately want to do to justify him as the GOAT. Polt, MC and MMA had great periods for sure, are they ahead of the guy? What has Dark done to be ahead of Serral, especially given their head to head? 18th?
IMO, Dark is a bit to high, Polt is probably the last on that list, herO at 10 feel super high too, Rain and Classic fell kind of high for both, but maybe not. I would pull TaeJa and Serral a few nutch higher, probably Parting too. I would say Serral around 12-8 same for TaeJa, it's mostly a battle between them the three toss and soO.
I think we are not getting the point of the article but whatever
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On September 21 2019 08:36 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2019 08:28 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 21 2019 08:19 Charoisaur wrote:
1. INnoVation
2. Maru
3. sOs
4. Zest
5. Life
6. Mvp
7. Stats
8. soO
9. Classic
10. herO
11. Rain
12. Dark
13. MMA
14. MC
15. TaeJa
16. Polt
17. Rogue
18. Serral
19. NesTea
20. PartinG Serral at 18 cant see this having any kind of blowback The only one I can see Serral being ahead of is Rogue (even though I disagree) but there's no way he's above any of the others. TaeJa, Polt, MC and MMA have won around the same amount of tournaments as Serral who were on average harder to win so there's no argument there. Putting him above any of the top 10 is ridicolous. At least when we go by pure achievements without giving extra points for dominance which the Serral fans desperately want to do to justify him as the GOAT.
I can't argue with a lot of your placements but I am awaiting Xain0n's response to this lol. I just think that Life and Mvp should be swapped with Zest and sOs) and Rain is a bit too high. I would personally put Serral above Polt, Rain and Rogue (but that may change if Rogue wins GSL and Serral doesn't do too well in Blizzcon) but I have hard time saying he is better than the other players you've mentioned.
Edit: Yeah I agree that Classic and herO are a bit high (I'd replace them with Taeja and the WoL greats listed below them). Also, I think someone before mentioned that herO didn't actually have very difficult (relatively speaking) IEMs so I might see Serral being above him too but probably not Classic (although I think they are pretty close at this point).
I'd put him somewhere between like 12th-15th place.
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Northern Ireland23096 Posts
On September 21 2019 08:59 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2019 08:49 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 21 2019 08:36 Charoisaur wrote:On September 21 2019 08:28 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 21 2019 08:19 Charoisaur wrote:
1. INnoVation
2. Maru
3. sOs
4. Zest
5. Life
6. Mvp
7. Stats
8. soO
9. Classic
10. herO
11. Rain
12. Dark
13. MMA
14. MC
15. TaeJa
16. Polt
17. Rogue
18. Serral
19. NesTea
20. PartinG Serral at 18 cant see this having any kind of blowback The only one I can see Serral being ahead of is Rogue (even though I disagree) but there's no way he's above any of the others. TaeJa, Polt, MC and MMA have won around the same amount of tournaments as Serral who were on average harder to win so there's no argument there. Putting him above any of the top 10 is ridicolous. At least when we go by pure achievements without giving extra points for dominance which the Serral fans desperately want to do to justify him as the GOAT. Polt, MC and MMA had great periods for sure, are they ahead of the guy? What has Dark done to be ahead of Serral, especially given their head to head? 18th? IMO, Dark is a bit to high, Polt is probably the last on that list, herO at 10 feel super high too, Rain and Classic fell kind of high for both, but maybe not. I would pull TaeJa and Serral a few nutch higher, probably Parting too. I would say Serral around 12-8 same for TaeJa, it's mostly a battle between them the three toss and soO.
Serral has, even aside from WCS inflation a basically unbeaten year, highest vKorean winrate ever, about two years of winning every tournament or losing to the eventual winner.
18th is silly, come on.
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On September 21 2019 09:05 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2019 08:59 Nakajin wrote:On September 21 2019 08:49 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 21 2019 08:36 Charoisaur wrote:On September 21 2019 08:28 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 21 2019 08:19 Charoisaur wrote:
1. INnoVation
2. Maru
3. sOs
4. Zest
5. Life
6. Mvp
7. Stats
8. soO
9. Classic
10. herO
11. Rain
12. Dark
13. MMA
14. MC
15. TaeJa
16. Polt
17. Rogue
18. Serral
19. NesTea
20. PartinG Serral at 18 cant see this having any kind of blowback The only one I can see Serral being ahead of is Rogue (even though I disagree) but there's no way he's above any of the others. TaeJa, Polt, MC and MMA have won around the same amount of tournaments as Serral who were on average harder to win so there's no argument there. Putting him above any of the top 10 is ridicolous. At least when we go by pure achievements without giving extra points for dominance which the Serral fans desperately want to do to justify him as the GOAT. Polt, MC and MMA had great periods for sure, are they ahead of the guy? What has Dark done to be ahead of Serral, especially given their head to head? 18th? IMO, Dark is a bit to high, Polt is probably the last on that list, herO at 10 feel super high too, Rain and Classic fell kind of high for both, but maybe not. I would pull TaeJa and Serral a few nutch higher, probably Parting too. I would say Serral around 12-8 same for TaeJa, it's mostly a battle between them the three toss and soO. Serral has, even aside from WCS inflation a basically unbeaten year, highest vKorean winrate ever, about two years of winning every tournament or losing to the eventual winner. 18th is silly, come on.
I just said I looked only at plain achievements without factoring in dominance or consistency or something like this. If you do that the list becomes extremely subjective (who says dominance is more impressive than consistency ?) so it would be stupid to factor that in.
It also always surprises me in those debates how underrated herO is - just look at his Liquipedia page!
He has 6 premier tournament victories, 4 second places and is arguably a top 3 Proleague player.
Classic is also underrated but that doesn't surprise me anymore.
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Northern Ireland23096 Posts
On September 21 2019 09:15 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2019 09:05 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 21 2019 08:59 Nakajin wrote:On September 21 2019 08:49 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 21 2019 08:36 Charoisaur wrote:On September 21 2019 08:28 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 21 2019 08:19 Charoisaur wrote:
1. INnoVation
2. Maru
3. sOs
4. Zest
5. Life
6. Mvp
7. Stats
8. soO
9. Classic
10. herO
11. Rain
12. Dark
13. MMA
14. MC
15. TaeJa
16. Polt
17. Rogue
18. Serral
19. NesTea
20. PartinG Serral at 18 cant see this having any kind of blowback The only one I can see Serral being ahead of is Rogue (even though I disagree) but there's no way he's above any of the others. TaeJa, Polt, MC and MMA have won around the same amount of tournaments as Serral who were on average harder to win so there's no argument there. Putting him above any of the top 10 is ridicolous. At least when we go by pure achievements without giving extra points for dominance which the Serral fans desperately want to do to justify him as the GOAT. Polt, MC and MMA had great periods for sure, are they ahead of the guy? What has Dark done to be ahead of Serral, especially given their head to head? 18th? IMO, Dark is a bit to high, Polt is probably the last on that list, herO at 10 feel super high too, Rain and Classic fell kind of high for both, but maybe not. I would pull TaeJa and Serral a few nutch higher, probably Parting too. I would say Serral around 12-8 same for TaeJa, it's mostly a battle between them the three toss and soO. Serral has, even aside from WCS inflation a basically unbeaten year, highest vKorean winrate ever, about two years of winning every tournament or losing to the eventual winner. 18th is silly, come on. I just said I looked only at plain achievements without factoring in dominance or consistency or something like this. If you do that the list becomes extremely subjective (who says dominance is more impressive than consistency ?) so it would be stupid to factor that in. It also always surprises me in those debates how underrated herO is - just look at his Liquipedia page! He has 6 premier tournament victories, 4 second places and is arguably a top 3 Proleague player. Classic is also underrated but that doesn't surprise me anymore.
Ok you only look at achievements but Serral is somehow 18th, seems legit.
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On September 21 2019 09:25 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2019 09:15 Charoisaur wrote:On September 21 2019 09:05 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 21 2019 08:59 Nakajin wrote:On September 21 2019 08:49 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 21 2019 08:36 Charoisaur wrote:On September 21 2019 08:28 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 21 2019 08:19 Charoisaur wrote:
1. INnoVation
2. Maru
3. sOs
4. Zest
5. Life
6. Mvp
7. Stats
8. soO
9. Classic
10. herO
11. Rain
12. Dark
13. MMA
14. MC
15. TaeJa
16. Polt
17. Rogue
18. Serral
19. NesTea
20. PartinG Serral at 18 cant see this having any kind of blowback The only one I can see Serral being ahead of is Rogue (even though I disagree) but there's no way he's above any of the others. TaeJa, Polt, MC and MMA have won around the same amount of tournaments as Serral who were on average harder to win so there's no argument there. Putting him above any of the top 10 is ridicolous. At least when we go by pure achievements without giving extra points for dominance which the Serral fans desperately want to do to justify him as the GOAT. Polt, MC and MMA had great periods for sure, are they ahead of the guy? What has Dark done to be ahead of Serral, especially given their head to head? 18th? IMO, Dark is a bit to high, Polt is probably the last on that list, herO at 10 feel super high too, Rain and Classic fell kind of high for both, but maybe not. I would pull TaeJa and Serral a few nutch higher, probably Parting too. I would say Serral around 12-8 same for TaeJa, it's mostly a battle between them the three toss and soO. Serral has, even aside from WCS inflation a basically unbeaten year, highest vKorean winrate ever, about two years of winning every tournament or losing to the eventual winner. 18th is silly, come on. I just said I looked only at plain achievements without factoring in dominance or consistency or something like this. If you do that the list becomes extremely subjective (who says dominance is more impressive than consistency ?) so it would be stupid to factor that in. It also always surprises me in those debates how underrated herO is - just look at his Liquipedia page! He has 6 premier tournament victories, 4 second places and is arguably a top 3 Proleague player. Classic is also underrated but that doesn't surprise me anymore. Ok you only look at achievements but Serral is somehow 18th, seems legit.
Oh you're right I placed him too low.
Here's the new list:
1. Serral
2. Serral
3. Serral
4. Serral
5. Serral
6. Serral
7. Serral
8. Serral
9. Serral
10. Serral
I have also a few different lists with different criteria like dominance at their peak, consistency, best micro, best macro, best decisionmaking, handsomeness and biggest dick but those lists all look the same so I wrote it only once.
Do I belong now to the TL-Serral-Cult?
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Canada8984 Posts
On September 21 2019 09:15 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2019 09:05 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 21 2019 08:59 Nakajin wrote:On September 21 2019 08:49 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 21 2019 08:36 Charoisaur wrote:On September 21 2019 08:28 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 21 2019 08:19 Charoisaur wrote:
1. INnoVation
2. Maru
3. sOs
4. Zest
5. Life
6. Mvp
7. Stats
8. soO
9. Classic
10. herO
11. Rain
12. Dark
13. MMA
14. MC
15. TaeJa
16. Polt
17. Rogue
18. Serral
19. NesTea
20. PartinG Serral at 18 cant see this having any kind of blowback The only one I can see Serral being ahead of is Rogue (even though I disagree) but there's no way he's above any of the others. TaeJa, Polt, MC and MMA have won around the same amount of tournaments as Serral who were on average harder to win so there's no argument there. Putting him above any of the top 10 is ridicolous. At least when we go by pure achievements without giving extra points for dominance which the Serral fans desperately want to do to justify him as the GOAT. Polt, MC and MMA had great periods for sure, are they ahead of the guy? What has Dark done to be ahead of Serral, especially given their head to head? 18th? IMO, Dark is a bit to high, Polt is probably the last on that list, herO at 10 feel super high too, Rain and Classic fell kind of high for both, but maybe not. I would pull TaeJa and Serral a few nutch higher, probably Parting too. I would say Serral around 12-8 same for TaeJa, it's mostly a battle between them the three toss and soO. Serral has, even aside from WCS inflation a basically unbeaten year, highest vKorean winrate ever, about two years of winning every tournament or losing to the eventual winner. 18th is silly, come on. I just said I looked only at plain achievements without factoring in dominance or consistency or something like this. If you do that the list becomes extremely subjective (who says dominance is more impressive than consistency ?) so it would be stupid to factor that in. It also always surprises me in those debates how underrated herO is - just look at his Liquipedia page! He has 6 premier tournament victories, 4 second places and is arguably a top 3 Proleague player. Classic is also underrated but that doesn't surprise me anymore.
herO overall results are way to low to be top 10 for me, weekender trophy are good and all but he as 2 good results in Starleague (1 SSL win of course and a GSL semi) and only 1 good results in big weekender (The IEM Katowice final + maybe the semi a few months ago) Other than that he has results between pretty good and ok.
herO compare somewhat to Solar for me, strong results in a good number of tournament and a surprisingly large trophy collection but at the end of the day never the best player in the world, or even of their race really.
Edit: Not saying he's not in front of Solar, just the same kind of player
And chill out a bit or stop responding to every comment about Serral all of the time
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On September 21 2019 09:05 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2019 08:59 Nakajin wrote:On September 21 2019 08:49 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 21 2019 08:36 Charoisaur wrote:On September 21 2019 08:28 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 21 2019 08:19 Charoisaur wrote:
1. INnoVation
2. Maru
3. sOs
4. Zest
5. Life
6. Mvp
7. Stats
8. soO
9. Classic
10. herO
11. Rain
12. Dark
13. MMA
14. MC
15. TaeJa
16. Polt
17. Rogue
18. Serral
19. NesTea
20. PartinG Serral at 18 cant see this having any kind of blowback The only one I can see Serral being ahead of is Rogue (even though I disagree) but there's no way he's above any of the others. TaeJa, Polt, MC and MMA have won around the same amount of tournaments as Serral who were on average harder to win so there's no argument there. Putting him above any of the top 10 is ridicolous. At least when we go by pure achievements without giving extra points for dominance which the Serral fans desperately want to do to justify him as the GOAT. Polt, MC and MMA had great periods for sure, are they ahead of the guy? What has Dark done to be ahead of Serral, especially given their head to head? 18th? IMO, Dark is a bit to high, Polt is probably the last on that list, herO at 10 feel super high too, Rain and Classic fell kind of high for both, but maybe not. I would pull TaeJa and Serral a few nutch higher, probably Parting too. I would say Serral around 12-8 same for TaeJa, it's mostly a battle between them the three toss and soO. Serral has, even aside from WCS inflation a basically unbeaten year, highest vKorean winrate ever, about two years of winning every tournament or losing to the eventual winner. 18th is silly, come on.
What does "basically unbeaten" mean?
He was beaten multiple times within any timespan of a year that you could pick.
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On September 21 2019 09:02 Anc13nt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2019 08:36 Charoisaur wrote:On September 21 2019 08:28 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 21 2019 08:19 Charoisaur wrote:
1. INnoVation
2. Maru
3. sOs
4. Zest
5. Life
6. Mvp
7. Stats
8. soO
9. Classic
10. herO
11. Rain
12. Dark
13. MMA
14. MC
15. TaeJa
16. Polt
17. Rogue
18. Serral
19. NesTea
20. PartinG Serral at 18 cant see this having any kind of blowback The only one I can see Serral being ahead of is Rogue (even though I disagree) but there's no way he's above any of the others. TaeJa, Polt, MC and MMA have won around the same amount of tournaments as Serral who were on average harder to win so there's no argument there. Putting him above any of the top 10 is ridicolous. At least when we go by pure achievements without giving extra points for dominance which the Serral fans desperately want to do to justify him as the GOAT. I can't argue with a lot of your placements but I am awaiting Xain0n's response to this lol. I just think that Life and Mvp should be swapped with Zest and sOs) and Rain is a bit too high. I would personally put Serral above Polt, Rain and Rogue (but that may change if Rogue wins GSL and Serral doesn't do too well in Blizzcon) but I have hard time saying he is better than the other players you've mentioned. Edit: Yeah I agree that Classic and herO are a bit high (I'd replace them with Taeja and the WoL greats listed below them). Also, I think someone before mentioned that herO didn't actually have very difficult (relatively speaking) IEMs so I might see Serral being above him too but probably not Classic (although I think they are pretty close at this point). I'd put him somewhere between like 12th-15th place.
Nakajin's GOAT contest voters ranked Serral 18th before he won two WCS, lost one in the finals, got another one GSL vs the World title and reached ro4 at Asus Rog; that was a pretty low placement already, there is no way Serral can be considered #18 in a GOAT list at the moment.
Now, let's imagine an alternate reality in which WCS doesn't exist: Serral's placement seems reasonable at once. There would still be extreme anti-WoL and pro-KeSPa(Maru excluded) bias in Chairosaur's list, I would never agree with it, but Serral's being ranked 18th would not be a point in contention.
Too bad that only in the world of Charoisaur(and of few other elects), WCS is worth nothing; six titles put Serral in a tier with Zest, Stats, MC, MMA, maybe Classic and Rain. And I'm not even considering the extra features that Wombat mentioned and that would easily place Serral at the top of this tier.
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United States32938 Posts
On September 21 2019 11:29 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2019 09:02 Anc13nt wrote:On September 21 2019 08:36 Charoisaur wrote:On September 21 2019 08:28 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 21 2019 08:19 Charoisaur wrote:
1. INnoVation
2. Maru
3. sOs
4. Zest
5. Life
6. Mvp
7. Stats
8. soO
9. Classic
10. herO
11. Rain
12. Dark
13. MMA
14. MC
15. TaeJa
16. Polt
17. Rogue
18. Serral
19. NesTea
20. PartinG Serral at 18 cant see this having any kind of blowback The only one I can see Serral being ahead of is Rogue (even though I disagree) but there's no way he's above any of the others. TaeJa, Polt, MC and MMA have won around the same amount of tournaments as Serral who were on average harder to win so there's no argument there. Putting him above any of the top 10 is ridicolous. At least when we go by pure achievements without giving extra points for dominance which the Serral fans desperately want to do to justify him as the GOAT. I can't argue with a lot of your placements but I am awaiting Xain0n's response to this lol. I just think that Life and Mvp should be swapped with Zest and sOs) and Rain is a bit too high. I would personally put Serral above Polt, Rain and Rogue (but that may change if Rogue wins GSL and Serral doesn't do too well in Blizzcon) but I have hard time saying he is better than the other players you've mentioned. Edit: Yeah I agree that Classic and herO are a bit high (I'd replace them with Taeja and the WoL greats listed below them). Also, I think someone before mentioned that herO didn't actually have very difficult (relatively speaking) IEMs so I might see Serral being above him too but probably not Classic (although I think they are pretty close at this point). I'd put him somewhere between like 12th-15th place. Nakajin's GOAT contest voters ranked Serral 18th before he won two WCS, lost one in the finals, got another one GSL vs the World title and reached ro4 at Asus Rog; that was a pretty low placement already, there is no way Serral can be considered #18 in a GOAT list at the moment. Now, let's imagine an alternate reality in which WCS doesn't exist: Serral's placement seems reasonable at once. There would still be extreme anti-WoL and pro-KeSPa(Maru excluded) bias in Chairosaur's list, I would never agree with it, but Serral's being ranked 18th would not be a point in contention. Too bad that only in the world of Charoisaur(and of few other elects), WCS is worth nothing; six titles put Serral in a tier with Zest, Stats, MC, MMA, maybe Classic and Rain; and I'm not even considering the extra features that Wombat mentioned and that would easily place Serral at the top of this tier.
In an ideal world you and charoisaur could develop a grudging respect for each other, but I guess we're doomed to civil iceyness instead
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I agree that Serral should be ranked among MC, MMA, Polt, Zest etc. , just not Maru, Mvp, Inno and SoS yet.
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my actual list of GOAT
1. MvP
2. Life
3. Taeja
4. Polt
5. Zest
6. Maru
7. soO
8. Rain
9. Classic
10. MC
11. sOs
12. herO
13. Nestea
14. DongRaeGu
15. Stats
16. MMA
17. Serral
18. SoulKey
19. Bomber
20. Leenock
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On September 20 2019 05:20 Durnuu wrote:It's either this guy or that guy. I'm going with the latter since Terran obviously is the most skilled race.
No it’s not lol
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On September 21 2019 13:38 BerserkSword wrote:No it’s not lol
TFW you are so focused on beating your drum to the only tune you know that basic irony escapes you.
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lmao dongaraegu over serral, the shit I have to read
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On September 20 2019 04:47 terribleplayer1 wrote:
If you're going for an objective approach, with a proven metric, aligulac has a clear result right now.
It's not like Serral is 3200 Maru is 3180 and Stats is 3170, the difference is humongous.
All your other ideas are obviously flawed/inferior. Winrates don't take into consideration opposition level, not every KR players is the same level.
That list has no protoss in the top 9, has had protoss as lagging race for many many months. Yesterday there was only 1 protoss in top 13 MMR on rankedFTW.
It seems inocrrect to assume there is no one from ~33% of the player base in the top 9. Trap, Classic & Stats seem good enough to believably be in the top 9.
When has anyone ever been as dominant as Serral or Maru recently have been while playing protoss?
MVP, Inno, SoO have also had more success than any protoss.
Aliguliac is measuring likelyhood to win, not skill.
The leading and lagging race stats go with it on the same site to show that the average of a top 5 zerg is expected to win a decent majority of the time vs a top 5 protoss. So if Rogue were to barely beat Trap it should still be fair to say Trap might be a better player who would win if the races had equal sucsess at the top.
*Edited immediately as I hit post accidentally halfway through.
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Northern Ireland23096 Posts
On September 21 2019 16:09 paddyz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2019 04:47 terribleplayer1 wrote:
If you're going for an objective approach, with a proven metric, aligulac has a clear result right now.
It's not like Serral is 3200 Maru is 3180 and Stats is 3170, the difference is humongous.
All your other ideas are obviously flawed/inferior. Winrates don't take into consideration opposition level, not every KR players is the same level.
That list has no protoss in the top 9, has had protoss as lagging race for many many months. Yesterday there was only 1 protoss in top 13 MMR on rankedFTW. It seems inocrrect to assume there is no one from ~33% of the player base in the top 9. Trap, Classic & Stats seem good enough to believably be in the top 9. When has anyone ever been as dominant as Serral or Maru recently have been while playing protoss? MVP, Inno, SoO have also had more success than any protoss. Aliguliac is measuring likelyhood to win, not skill. The leading and lagging race stats go with it on the same site to show that the average of a top 5 zerg is expected to win a decent majority of the time vs a top 5 protoss. So if Rogue were to barely beat Trap it should still be fair to say Trap might be a better player who would win if the races had equal sucsess at the top. *Edited immediately as I hit post accidentally halfway through.
It does seem off, not sure why that is. Granted Cure is in the top 10 like, playing a lot of games boosts your rating to more accurately reflect your level, playing online cups etc helps in that regard.
Any semi-knowledgable SC2 fan knows of Classic’s chops in preparing builds for GSL and that he’s a monster there, whereas Aligulac has no way to factor in those externalities, likewise a player like Cure who perpetually chokes or at least doesn’t play his best live.
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Who is the Best?
Well, clearly not Maru! :D
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EPT
