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You may be aware that Season 1 had the winner pick the next map. The rule was changed in Season 2 so that the loser picks the next map. I thought the following was surprising since you'd expect more even matches after the change.
Season 1: 3-0: 5 3-1: 9 3-2: 6 Season 2: 3-0: 5 3-1: 7 3-2: 8
Season 3: 3-0: 7 (8.75 of 20) 3-1: 8 (10 of 20) 3-2: 1 (1.25 of 20)
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think it really goes to show how much a series is determined by the players mentality as it unfolds. so damn hard to come back from early deficits in series play.
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Russian Federation483 Posts
What I got from KSL S3 Ro16 is that Korean Tournament Organizers (since KeSPA days) were right all along and on highest levels it doesn't matter if its Bo9 or Bo1. So much for years of crying about cheese in Bo1 etc etc etc.
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KSL needs ro32 because right now it's stacked from very start: top 4 and players from deadly qualifiers. That's why there are too many 3-0's. Idk why they stick with ro16, so many brilliant players wasted on qualifiers.
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These stats don't include the Ro8 onwards? Why? Just to compare with the games thus far in S3?
KSL1 was a new series and all the pros were clambering to get in, and after the first season many just didn't bother to come back. Season 2 had more players who had never qualified for anything in the remastered era, like Leta, JyJ, and Modesty, plus many tier 2 pros who got knocked out of KSL1 qualifiers due to the higher level of competition, such as MisO, Jaehoon, Larva, and Killer. So almost half of the field was made up of players who weren't good enough to get into KSL1. It's important to realize that the skill level of Season 1 was higher on average than in Season 2, and the higher average skill level meant that the matches should have been theoretically closer, so the sweeps were bigger upsets, mostly facilitated by the winner-picks rule. Mini beat Last 3-0, JD beat Rain 4-0, Last beat JD 4-0, and if you look at the map orders you'll see why.
KSL2 actually had more total sweeps, at 9 versus KSL1's 8, but most of the sweeps were stomps of the lesser players. There were some surprises (Mind 3-0 Soulkey, Soulkey 4-0 Last, Sharp 3-0 Mind) but the rest were just mismatches. Rain 3-0 Leta, Last 3-0 Where, Last 3-0 JyJ, etcetera. KSL2 also had 9 3-2's and 4-3's, as opposed to only 7 series that went to match point in KSL1. So despite the obvious skill game and the abundance of mismatches, loser picks actually generated more "close" series. So when you consider the series that the OP left out, I don't buy the argument that loser picks is somehow ineffective at generating close series (I'm not assuming that you are making that argument, just responding to it in general).
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On May 12 2019 10:36 JakePlissken wrote: These stats don't include the Ro8 onwards? Why? Just to compare with the games thus far in S3?
Tunnel vision. Had a method down for counting up the Ro16, and then forgot the elimination bracket.
Though looking back, maybe each stage should be compared separately. I dunno. Ro4 onwards are Bo7 which may or may not skew perception.
In any event, I purposely avoided making any conclusions. Just thought it was interesting.
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thedeadhaji
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Yeah like Jake alluded to. You gotta control for other variables.
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