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On February 13 2019 02:26 GeckoXp wrote:this topic is hilarious on many levels. Show nested quote +On February 12 2019 09:51 SchAmToo wrote:On February 12 2019 08:55 SCWes wrote:On February 12 2019 05:52 RAPiDCasting wrote: I don't know if removing < 2min replays counts as a "essential feature" or a "major decision" but it's always good to see developers reaching out to the community for feedback instead of ignoring it and doing things on their own. I would agree that it isn't a major decision, and reaching out to the community is great, but IMO this isn't how you go about reaching our community. " this isn't how you go about reaching our community." is unfair and disingenuous at best. As a content creator trying to reach every spectrum of "our community" (which I assume you mean SCBW at large) I'd love for someone to name ONE place to get the majority of the community. It's not bnet forums, tl forums, defiler forums, afreeca forums, whatever other korean forums, reddit, etc... Our "community" is so divided is twitter that much worse an option? I don't think so. If you want reliable numbers and get your community to listen to whatever crosses your mind, it's a good idea to use the one place you actually have control over. like your own homepage, the ridiculous launcher you force people to use to advertise your own products and events or a combination of all of it. just a thought. Show nested quote +On February 13 2019 01:12 Qikz wrote:On February 12 2019 19:11 Ikirouta wrote:On February 12 2019 09:51 SchAmToo wrote:On February 12 2019 08:55 SCWes wrote:On February 12 2019 05:52 RAPiDCasting wrote: I don't know if removing < 2min replays counts as a "essential feature" or a "major decision" but it's always good to see developers reaching out to the community for feedback instead of ignoring it and doing things on their own. I would agree that it isn't a major decision, and reaching out to the community is great, but IMO this isn't how you go about reaching our community. " this isn't how you go about reaching our community." is unfair and disingenuous at best. As a content creator trying to reach every spectrum of "our community" (which I assume you mean SCBW at large) I'd love for someone to name ONE place to get the majority of the community. It's not bnet forums, tl forums, defiler forums, afreeca forums, whatever other korean forums, reddit, etc... Our "community" is so divided is twitter that much worse an option? I don't think so. Twitter isn't that popular outside of the US. People keep saying this but I've never met a person in real life or european online outside of the SCBW scene that doesn't use twitter. I never found anyone outside a retirement home who doesn't prefer instagram over twitter. LOL. #thisis2019 #emberassing Show nested quote +On February 12 2019 23:12 Puosu wrote:A researcher wants to verify that Monguboomixes exist. The researcher writes down: Null hypothesis: Monguboomixes do not exist Alt. hypothesis: Monguboomixes do exist The researcher visits a jungle and observes a Monguboomix. Even better, roughly 50% of the sample consists of Monguboomixes. "Monguboomixes exist, of that I can be certain" proclaims the researcher. Which of the following is correct: A) The researcher can reject the null hypothesis. B) The researcher must observe a Monguboomix on teamliquid.net before rejecting the null hypothesis. did you finish your first semester, or where does this interesting view on empirical research come from?
Today i found the old ICQ Logs of my grandgrandmother who died in 1880. Man, that was fun. She had em stored on her old iphone 4. And i hear they used a chat client called 'irc' in the middle ages? Can someone verify that?
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On February 13 2019 02:26 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: so hard for starcraft dinosaurs to use twitter.they will still stick to 1.16 XP and using a pentium 4 if they could.
I am actually quite a new player, and im 24y.o. and still, I do not use Twitter, because none of my friends use it as well. this is it. i'm everyday on the b.net forums and at tl.net, as everyone here do. why not just use these resources?
If they're asking there about maps too, as you said, then.. WTH?
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On February 13 2019 03:02 Bhindt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2019 02:26 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: so hard for starcraft dinosaurs to use twitter.they will still stick to 1.16 XP and using a pentium 4 if they could. I am actually quite a new player, and im 24y.o. and still, I do not use Twitter, because none of my friends use it as well. this is it. i'm everyday on the b.net forums and at tl.net, as everyone here do. why not just use these resources? If they're asking there about maps too, as you said, then.. WTH? yes your re right about the maps.not even in official forums ? maybe they are asking behind the scenes ? anyway it will be nice like gecko said to have the polls in the launcher.finally it will find a good purpose!
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On February 13 2019 01:50 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2019 00:53 Dazed. wrote:On February 12 2019 23:12 Puosu wrote:A researcher wants to verify that Monguboomixes exist. The researcher writes down: Null hypothesis: Monguboomixes do not exist Alt. hypothesis: Monguboomixes do exist The researcher visits a jungle and observes a Monguboomix. Even better, roughly 50% of the sample consists of Monguboomixes. "Monguboomixes exist, of that I can be certain" proclaims the researcher. Which of the following is correct: A) The researcher can reject the null hypothesis. B) The researcher must observe a Monguboomix on teamliquid.net before rejecting the null hypothesis. How in the fuck is sampling a population for their opinion on a topic equatable to simply discovering whether or not something exists? One is a question of how you properly sample a population, the other is whether a population exists. No similarity. Try again. The point is that the developer ostensibly wanted to see if there existed people who have use for replays <2min in length. Whether he "observes" the need in twitter-users or TLers is beside the point. No, because the issue is whether the population being sampled is indicative of the overall population hes attempting to understand. Hes not trying to "observe" a response, I cant believe an adult would actually think that. Hes trying to sample a population in order to get an idea as to what a larger, similar population thinks. And hes done it incompetently.
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The kind of people who have twitter in the US are a very narrow subpopulation. By the way if someone on the internet is talking about Trump, 7/10 times its a European... interesting huh xD We Americans are not so obsessed with bringing politics into every conversation.
Also, before you insult peoples' intelligence, Gecko, you should think for a moment about the purpose of the poll. It wasn't to see which view was more popular, it was to see if the vast vast vast majority of the playerbase wants to remove short replays. If you have a reason for suspecting that the intersection of the playerbase on twitter is of a significantly different type with regards to their desire to get rid of short replays, then please present it. I suspect, however, that you have nothing.
It's a very BASIC part of doing science that you look at the smallest population that you can get away with. Otherwise the experiment will be too big and you won't be able to complete it
It's also a very BASIC part of business that you execute the action which achieves the result and is the least costly. Thus, since there's no reason not to use a twitter poll instead of working with the larger battle.net team to implement some kind of poll in the launcher, it is a lot better to go on twitter and make a quick poll.
Finally, the very premise of this argument, that the SC:R team thinks that twitter is the proper way to determine the solution to every problem, is completely absurd. We have already seen them interact with us on forums and we have already seen them interact directly with the Korean pros when the issue at hand is actually important.
I feel bad that I spent as long as I did discussing something so completely pointless, but I was tempted by some of the condescending remarks in this thread.
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Twitter? Nerds who play SC use Twitter?
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On February 13 2019 05:15 Dazed. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2019 01:50 Puosu wrote:On February 13 2019 00:53 Dazed. wrote:On February 12 2019 23:12 Puosu wrote:A researcher wants to verify that Monguboomixes exist. The researcher writes down: Null hypothesis: Monguboomixes do not exist Alt. hypothesis: Monguboomixes do exist The researcher visits a jungle and observes a Monguboomix. Even better, roughly 50% of the sample consists of Monguboomixes. "Monguboomixes exist, of that I can be certain" proclaims the researcher. Which of the following is correct: A) The researcher can reject the null hypothesis. B) The researcher must observe a Monguboomix on teamliquid.net before rejecting the null hypothesis. How in the fuck is sampling a population for their opinion on a topic equatable to simply discovering whether or not something exists? One is a question of how you properly sample a population, the other is whether a population exists. No similarity. Try again. The point is that the developer ostensibly wanted to see if there existed people who have use for replays <2min in length. Whether he "observes" the need in twitter-users or TLers is beside the point. No, because the issue is whether the population being sampled is indicative of the overall population hes attempting to understand. Hes not trying to "observe" a response, I cant believe an adult would actually think that. Hes trying to sample a population in order to get an idea as to what a larger, similar population thinks. And hes done it incompetently. First, what's with the tone?
Anyway, I'm not convinced "Hes trying to sample a population in order to get an idea as to what a larger, similar population thinks". I find it equally plausible he found a potentially redundant feature and wanted to ask around to see if there's people who don't think its redundant. The distribution of the population's opinion on this, then, seems irrelevant. Its bad form to remove a feature that sees use, even if its use is by a minority.
Its a very minute detail, too. I'm not sure how it would be fruitful to conduct actual quantitative analysis on a detail of this size. Hearing out a limited sample of people seems apt. At the least, its better than the devs just making decisions by themselves.
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im just shocked that this is even on the priority list at all. can they just focus on fixing whisper chat and team matchmaking? fuck everything else until that shit is dealt with
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On February 13 2019 01:12 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2019 19:11 Ikirouta wrote:On February 12 2019 09:51 SchAmToo wrote:On February 12 2019 08:55 SCWes wrote:On February 12 2019 05:52 RAPiDCasting wrote: I don't know if removing < 2min replays counts as a "essential feature" or a "major decision" but it's always good to see developers reaching out to the community for feedback instead of ignoring it and doing things on their own. I would agree that it isn't a major decision, and reaching out to the community is great, but IMO this isn't how you go about reaching our community. " this isn't how you go about reaching our community." is unfair and disingenuous at best. As a content creator trying to reach every spectrum of "our community" (which I assume you mean SCBW at large) I'd love for someone to name ONE place to get the majority of the community. It's not bnet forums, tl forums, defiler forums, afreeca forums, whatever other korean forums, reddit, etc... Our "community" is so divided is twitter that much worse an option? I don't think so. Twitter isn't that popular outside of the US. People keep saying this but I've never met a person in real life or european online outside of the SCBW scene that doesn't use twitter. I don't use twitter. I frequently meet people who don't use twitter either. Maybe try meeting more people in real life and less people online? Afterall, it is you who is skewed, presumably by meeting people online by twitter, not the otherway round.
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twitter is for muricans and the wannabe europeans.
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On February 13 2019 05:28 Rodya wrote: The kind of people who have twitter in the US are a very narrow subpopulation. By the way if someone on the internet is talking about Trump, 7/10 times its a European... interesting huh xD We Americans are not so obsessed with bringing politics into every conversation.
Also, before you insult peoples' intelligence, Gecko, you should think for a moment about the purpose of the poll. It wasn't to see which view was more popular, it was to see if the vast vast vast majority of the playerbase wants to remove short replays. If you have a reason for suspecting that the intersection of the playerbase on twitter is of a significantly different type with regards to their desire to get rid of short replays, then please present it. I suspect, however, that you have nothing.
It's a very BASIC part of doing science that you look at the smallest population that you can get away with. Otherwise the experiment will be too big and you won't be able to complete it
It's also a very BASIC part of business that you execute the action which achieves the result and is the least costly. Thus, since there's no reason not to use a twitter poll instead of working with the larger battle.net team to implement some kind of poll in the launcher, it is a lot better to go on twitter and make a quick poll.
Finally, the very premise of this argument, that the SC:R team thinks that twitter is the proper way to determine the solution to every problem, is completely absurd. We have already seen them interact with us on forums and we have already seen them interact directly with the Korean pros when the issue at hand is actually important.
I feel bad that I spent as long as I did discussing something so completely pointless, but I was tempted by some of the condescending remarks in this thread.
The launcher would record active players, nobody else uses it. Gg?
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On February 13 2019 01:53 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2019 01:12 Qikz wrote:On February 12 2019 19:11 Ikirouta wrote:On February 12 2019 09:51 SchAmToo wrote:On February 12 2019 08:55 SCWes wrote:On February 12 2019 05:52 RAPiDCasting wrote: I don't know if removing < 2min replays counts as a "essential feature" or a "major decision" but it's always good to see developers reaching out to the community for feedback instead of ignoring it and doing things on their own. I would agree that it isn't a major decision, and reaching out to the community is great, but IMO this isn't how you go about reaching our community. " this isn't how you go about reaching our community." is unfair and disingenuous at best. As a content creator trying to reach every spectrum of "our community" (which I assume you mean SCBW at large) I'd love for someone to name ONE place to get the majority of the community. It's not bnet forums, tl forums, defiler forums, afreeca forums, whatever other korean forums, reddit, etc... Our "community" is so divided is twitter that much worse an option? I don't think so. Twitter isn't that popular outside of the US. People keep saying this but I've never met a person in real life or european online outside of the SCBW scene that doesn't use twitter. I don't use twitter.
online outside of the SCBW scene
That was kinda my point, it seems I guess a lot of the people here are of an age where they kinda skipped twitter - most other esports most people get involved with twitter just to share content even.
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On February 13 2019 16:59 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2019 01:53 Cele wrote:On February 13 2019 01:12 Qikz wrote:On February 12 2019 19:11 Ikirouta wrote:On February 12 2019 09:51 SchAmToo wrote:On February 12 2019 08:55 SCWes wrote:On February 12 2019 05:52 RAPiDCasting wrote: I don't know if removing < 2min replays counts as a "essential feature" or a "major decision" but it's always good to see developers reaching out to the community for feedback instead of ignoring it and doing things on their own. I would agree that it isn't a major decision, and reaching out to the community is great, but IMO this isn't how you go about reaching our community. " this isn't how you go about reaching our community." is unfair and disingenuous at best. As a content creator trying to reach every spectrum of "our community" (which I assume you mean SCBW at large) I'd love for someone to name ONE place to get the majority of the community. It's not bnet forums, tl forums, defiler forums, afreeca forums, whatever other korean forums, reddit, etc... Our "community" is so divided is twitter that much worse an option? I don't think so. Twitter isn't that popular outside of the US. People keep saying this but I've never met a person in real life or european online outside of the SCBW scene that doesn't use twitter. I don't use twitter. online outside of the SCBW scene That was kinda my point, it seems I guess a lot of the people here are of an age where they kinda skipped twitter - most other esports most people get involved with twitter just to share content even.
Twitter was hot more than 7 years ago - back then people were first tweeting and then leaving the burning house - it's not used any more. Twitter stocks were going downhill, the main reason it's so active today is that the US is lead by a person who prefers to type a message instead of having a press release.
- The only reason esports teams use it is to make their players broadcast what is going on. For a gaming organization is hard to collect information timely and share everything in one single page (facebook for example) for everyone who is part of the team.
In fact facebook groups and business pages will have x100 bigger impact - just check White-ra's profile @fb. I can bet that White-ra gets more responses via fb in one post than most of the mid and low tier gaming organizations for a month in twitter. Most of his followers are thanks to SCBW and a little bit less because of SC2 - this is a good example of how things work for the BW/SCR audience.
Also - I can see that currently tl.net has 1250 users online. A big chunk of this audience will be reached in a snap. Most of the BW players (us) see this twitter poll so much later.
Nobody cares about twitter outside the corporate world (and the only reason corporations use it is because other corporations use it too, not because it's the holy grail of social media) or outside the US.
P.S. Somebody mentioned instagram - it's way more friendly to the newest generation than the boring twitter feeds. FFS if you want to use twitter properly you won't be able to do it if you don't use additional apps like tweetdeck - not very user friendly.
Edit: Just to backup some of the claims I did in this post, here is some data (only for US but you can easily see the trend - even for a country where people are using the platform heavily):
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twitter is pretty big in japan (lots of celebrities/anime/doujin artists have twitter profiles) too but yeah thats about it. outside of US and JP its hardly used.
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On February 13 2019 16:59 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2019 01:53 Cele wrote:On February 13 2019 01:12 Qikz wrote:On February 12 2019 19:11 Ikirouta wrote:On February 12 2019 09:51 SchAmToo wrote:On February 12 2019 08:55 SCWes wrote:On February 12 2019 05:52 RAPiDCasting wrote: I don't know if removing < 2min replays counts as a "essential feature" or a "major decision" but it's always good to see developers reaching out to the community for feedback instead of ignoring it and doing things on their own. I would agree that it isn't a major decision, and reaching out to the community is great, but IMO this isn't how you go about reaching our community. " this isn't how you go about reaching our community." is unfair and disingenuous at best. As a content creator trying to reach every spectrum of "our community" (which I assume you mean SCBW at large) I'd love for someone to name ONE place to get the majority of the community. It's not bnet forums, tl forums, defiler forums, afreeca forums, whatever other korean forums, reddit, etc... Our "community" is so divided is twitter that much worse an option? I don't think so. Twitter isn't that popular outside of the US. People keep saying this but I've never met a person in real life or european online outside of the SCBW scene that doesn't use twitter. I don't use twitter. online outside of the SCBW scene That was kinda my point, it seems I guess a lot of the people here are of an age where they kinda skipped twitter - most other esports most people get involved with twitter just to share content even. If you beleive that is true, then why use the one of many media which your target group don't use? It's as if blizzard forums or other dedicated forums don't exist.
In fact what you say is kind of sketchy anyways. How do you know whether people you meet in real life have twitter or not? Or people online either? Unless you only contact them via twitter in the first place.
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On February 13 2019 02:26 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: so hard for starcraft dinosaurs to use twitter.they will still stick to 1.16 XP and using a pentium 4 if they could.
I would rather use smoke signals than twitter, worst shit ever made
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Typical Blizzard. They should fire all these 'community managers' and hire a coder and a network protocol engineer. If they are decent, they can code up 2vs2 ladder during a lunch break and a Friday afternoon.
It is sad that for companies of Blizzard, there are dozens of desperate talented millennial with tons of student debt out there, desperate to first make a professional career. And they dream of working for a company of Blizzard because of youth nostalgia. And when they get hired, they slave away for relatively meager pay, only to be fired in a few years because of bad decisions at the top of the corporate ladder.
It is embarrassing how bad mainstay tech companies are doing in the 2010s-2020s.
I also cannot understand why people are talking about Twitter. The point is it was a minor decision that if anything should be an option. Making it an option would take less time than creating a Twitter poll about it. And then they post on the forum that they made the decision when 92 people voted. That is utter stupidity.
And this guy was picked over 200 other people that flooded the Blizzard HR department with their resumes.
If you are that stupid, how can you ever code a FizzBuzz?
Lol someone here joined in 2013 and has 44231 post here. And I have never seen your name before.
User was banned for this post.
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On February 13 2019 21:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2019 16:59 Qikz wrote:On February 13 2019 01:53 Cele wrote:On February 13 2019 01:12 Qikz wrote:On February 12 2019 19:11 Ikirouta wrote:On February 12 2019 09:51 SchAmToo wrote:On February 12 2019 08:55 SCWes wrote:On February 12 2019 05:52 RAPiDCasting wrote: I don't know if removing < 2min replays counts as a "essential feature" or a "major decision" but it's always good to see developers reaching out to the community for feedback instead of ignoring it and doing things on their own. I would agree that it isn't a major decision, and reaching out to the community is great, but IMO this isn't how you go about reaching our community. " this isn't how you go about reaching our community." is unfair and disingenuous at best. As a content creator trying to reach every spectrum of "our community" (which I assume you mean SCBW at large) I'd love for someone to name ONE place to get the majority of the community. It's not bnet forums, tl forums, defiler forums, afreeca forums, whatever other korean forums, reddit, etc... Our "community" is so divided is twitter that much worse an option? I don't think so. Twitter isn't that popular outside of the US. People keep saying this but I've never met a person in real life or european online outside of the SCBW scene that doesn't use twitter. I don't use twitter. online outside of the SCBW scene That was kinda my point, it seems I guess a lot of the people here are of an age where they kinda skipped twitter - most other esports most people get involved with twitter just to share content even. If you beleive that is true, then why use the one of many media which your target group don't use? It's as if blizzard forums or other dedicated forums don't exist. In fact what you say is kind of sketchy anyways. How do you know whether people you meet in real life have twitter or not? Or people online either? Unless you only contact them via twitter in the first place.
"Because I'm not on twitter, and the 50 people in TL aren't on twitter, NO ONE IS CLEARLY ON TWITTER."
Except most other esports scenes are on twitter. Look at any CS:GO pro, LOL pro, etc... they all have hundreds of thousands of followers.
That said, none of this matters really. The foreign scene can stamp their feet like they're some majority either at TL, Defiler, or whatever. We are nothing compared to the numbers of the korean scene.
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I'm not on Twitter. And it doesn't look like many people from the Korean scene saw that poll either considering only 92 people voted. And considering that a decision was made, it appears that this does in fact matter so I don't see what you're getting at schamtoo.
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On February 14 2019 06:21 jimminy_kriket wrote: I'm not on Twitter. And it doesn't look like many people from the Korean scene saw that poll either considering only 92 people voted. And considering that a decision was made, it appears that this does in fact matter so I don't see what you're getting at schamtoo.
My point is, we can argue about where grant should've reached out to for the foreign community, but it doesn't matter that much considering its varying small percentages compared to reaching out to any part of the korean community.
I don't like twitter for a poll here either, but it's really not that much of a crazy topic to me to make a bnet post and a TL post thats this long lol.
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