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On December 13 2018 04:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:when Boylen was questioned about having practices that were too difficult or possibly breaking CBA rules the first thing Boylen said was Reinsdorf backs him 100%. i've read Reinsdorf has been a highly influential owner in past decades.... i wonder how influential he is currently.
id be surprised if there was language stating how long or hard a practice can be in the CBA
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On December 13 2018 04:56 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2018 04:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:when Boylen was questioned about having practices that were too difficult or possibly breaking CBA rules the first thing Boylen said was Reinsdorf backs him 100%. i've read Reinsdorf has been a highly influential owner in past decades.... i wonder how influential he is currently. id be surprised if there was language stating how long or hard a practice can be in the CBA
There is for the NFL, the NBA has always been player friendly so I would be surprised if it is in there. Making yourself unattractive to stars in the NBA is a surefire way to suck for long term.
I think Maarkanen and Wendal Carter Jr. are good guys to build around.
Lavine at that contract is not worth it and Dunn has a lot to show but some potential.
So as Clutz was getting at, they need a big talent injection to compete, regardless of coaching and infighting.
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On December 13 2018 05:54 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2018 04:56 zev318 wrote:On December 13 2018 04:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:when Boylen was questioned about having practices that were too difficult or possibly breaking CBA rules the first thing Boylen said was Reinsdorf backs him 100%. i've read Reinsdorf has been a highly influential owner in past decades.... i wonder how influential he is currently. id be surprised if there was language stating how long or hard a practice can be in the CBA There is for the NFL, the NBA has always been player friendly so I would be surprised if it is in there. Making yourself unattractive to stars in the NBA is a surefire way to suck for long term. I think Maarkanen and Wendal Carter Jr. are good guys to build around. Lavine at that contract is not worth it and Dunn has a lot to show but some potential. So as Clutz was getting at, they need a big talent injection to compete, regardless of coaching and infighting.
What is a "good guy to build around" in context? I feel like they maybe could be similar to the pre-Lebron Lakers core, but there aint a Lebron out there to get. And even then, at least one of them is a piece for trading to get a 2nd real player no? The Lakers might stand pat this year, but they definitely are going to need a 2nd guy for Lebron to be happy, and all their good young players kinda fit into the "6th man or 5th best starter on a conference champion" level.
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Reinsdorf (and Krause while he was there) thought they were more responsible for the Bulls dynasty than Jordan. Not surprising they've been a complete shit show since 98.
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On December 13 2018 06:49 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2018 05:54 JimmiC wrote:On December 13 2018 04:56 zev318 wrote:On December 13 2018 04:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:when Boylen was questioned about having practices that were too difficult or possibly breaking CBA rules the first thing Boylen said was Reinsdorf backs him 100%. i've read Reinsdorf has been a highly influential owner in past decades.... i wonder how influential he is currently. id be surprised if there was language stating how long or hard a practice can be in the CBA There is for the NFL, the NBA has always been player friendly so I would be surprised if it is in there. Making yourself unattractive to stars in the NBA is a surefire way to suck for long term. I think Maarkanen and Wendal Carter Jr. are good guys to build around. Lavine at that contract is not worth it and Dunn has a lot to show but some potential. So as Clutz was getting at, they need a big talent injection to compete, regardless of coaching and infighting. What is a "good guy to build around" in context? I feel like they maybe could be similar to the pre-Lebron Lakers core, but there aint a Lebron out there to get. And even then, at least one of them is a piece for trading to get a 2nd real player no? The Lakers might stand pat this year, but they definitely are going to need a 2nd guy for Lebron to be happy, and all their good young players kinda fit into the "6th man or 5th best starter on a conference champion" level.
I think Maarkanen has a shot at being a 2-3rd best player. And WCjr can be an awesome glue guy. But I agree with you they need a super star to build around. Lucky for them it looks like they will get a great shot at zion who has can't miss (but for injury) superstar written all over him. Top 5 all have pretty great potential.
I think Lavine contract, and Jabari were big mistakes but at least will help them get those lottery balls.
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i'll be surprised if Valancuinas is back playing NBA games in less than 6 weeks.
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It only takes about 10% of the players to be a-holes/immature for it to turn toxic, especially if there's a weak power vacuum. If a few players start complaining, the others can't really contradict their peers.
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are there condensation problems in Golden State's arena? there are guys sliding all over the place.
if the Kings could brainwash Nemanja Bjelica into thinking he is always playing against Minnesota they'd have an MVP candidate in their line up. he must really hate Minnesota for some reason
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Once Lowry started hitting shots again the raps started winning again (against good teams and missing Kawhi). Hopefully a slump like this doesn't hit in the playoffs. The good news is even when he was stinking most of their losses were close. They have enough depth to make up for some one going cold as long as it isn't for too long!
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thanks for the laughs man.
During Lowry's thousands of minutes in the playoffs and in his entire career against top 8 teams his shooting and play making productivity declines. He isn't as good ... against good teams.
He has been good these last 2 games. Maybe perform like this for 100 games and he can break the 10+ year trend.
Earlier i said i liked watching David Slay Goliath. Well Jerebko is about a foot taller and weighs about 100 lbs more than Lowry; Lowry kicked his ass at both ends of the floor last night. Mike Tyson ain't got nuttin' on Kyle Lowry.
Much is being made about the Raptors being 7-1 without Leonard. I think this says more about how little Derozan contributed to wins. A lot of Derozan's playmaking is redundant to what Lowry provides. Derozan is a poor defender. Danny Green is a much better compliment to Lowry's skill set and Green is a better defender.
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I've seen literally nothing about how Curry sometimes disappears. Not just this game, it regularly happens (sometimes in the playoffs as well). To me he always seems like one of these superstars who can do no wrong, gets praised insanely when he has a great game in a blowout, doesn't get any criticism in losses (other than the "he was hurt" kind of deal).
I attribute that to the volume of 3s he relies on. People look at them and see as inevitable that there will be games where they just won't go in, compared to Durant who will take less valuable shots (but with less variance) and you will say more easily that he fucked up on lower-risk lower-reward shots. It's a kind of "3 point fallacy" the basketball world is building upon right now and can be the demise of teams in key moments (like the Rockets and their 27 misses last year). The fallacy is that you can somehow feel more okay with missing more valuable shots. But the truth is they're only more valuable if you make them. You should never feel okay about missing a lot of shots, wherever they come from and however many points they could be worth. So yeah 3pt shooters should be blamed for having bad performances.
I'm still not convinced Curry would be in the consideration for second best player in the world if he was not playing for GSW (especially the current version with Durant). I know he has the best on-off numbers but he also has the best supporting cast possible. If you look at rotations last year, Curry is by far the one of the big 4 that plays the least without one of the 3 other guys. The other 3 have played like 4-5 times more minutes alone by themselves with the bench (I'm especially amazed when I watch GSW games at how much they're using Klay + bench, it just doesn't seem that good). You can interpret it by saying it means that Curry raises GSW's ceiling more than the others do and the coaching staff realizes that, but it also makes Curry's own time on the floor easier, let's face it.
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The Raptors rammed the ball right down Curry's throat all game long. I think the Nurse philosophy is to get physical with Curry and make him work near his own basket. Danny Green joked about he hasn't played in the post since high school and he had fun in there mixing it up with Curry.
(Danny) Green jokingly attributed the win to a full moon and luck.
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What do you base that on? I already posted Lowry's playoff numbers they were better then his reg last year, about the same 2 years ago and worse 3 years ago. So if you want to go with that he's getting better. If you do the eye test and watch the games you know Lowry is not the type of guy to fade in big moments or big games. And now he gets to be the second best player in the playoffs instead of the best.
I guess it is different when you are watching the team builders instead of the games.
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thanks for more laughs. its clear from my posts i watch the Raptors play.
Lowry's best playoff year occurred last year. His shooting stats were great and the Raptors went 4-6. So much for the Raptors succeeding whenever Lowry shoots well. Over 10+ years Lowry has been a poor playoff performer. He is now 32. He might have 1 good playoff left if he is healthy.
The intense regular season defense that Lowry plays is very entertaining to watch.... the problem is that it leads to many minor nagging injuries that hinder him in the playoffs... year after year.
Lowry is a 34% 3 point shooter in the playoffs and a 37% regular season 3 point shooter. His eFG is lower in the playoffs than it is in the regular season. Lowry assist to turnover ratio is 3 to 1 in the regular season and 2 to 1 in the playoffs.
In the Raptors only deep run in the playoffs Lowry's shooting was horrible. His playmaking was decent and his defense was spectacular.
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Also if I were the Warriors I would be very worried about Green being completely useless in offense outside of his passing. He has been regressing heavily from 3 for a while to the point where he shouldn't actually be allowed to shoot anymore. Sometimes he takes one just to show the defense he cannot be disrespected but it often bricks miserably. I would honestly forget actions that make him a passer up top behind the 3pt line, the defense is way too free to completely disregard what he does and focus on the other players. He's more dangerous passing from the post.
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I tend to think that players change a lot in 10 years and don't take flat averages.
I agree about the injuries he can pick up and how they can effect him and did in 14-15. It could happen this year. It looks like Nurse is doing a decent job with his minutes and getting players rest so I'm hopeful. But predicting how healthy someone will be months from now is a fools errand .
If you say so, you do the occasional live report, "hey look I'm watching the game" post. But most of your observations appear to come from espn's RAPM. Not to mention you just recently said you follow teambuilders more than teams and your favorite is with the knicks. Which made me think if you were going to watch games it would be there's?
Anyway, not much to argue, you think the raps will flame out in the playoffs because they are not that good, only look good vs bad teams, and Lowry especially is going to fall apart when things get tough. I think they are the favorite from the East, built far better for the playoffs than they ever have been and have a small chance to win it all depending on health (for both them and the warriors). Time will tell, I tend to not get to worked up about little slumps and that is what I think Lowry had.
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On December 14 2018 01:15 ZenithM wrote: Also if I were the Warriors I would be very worried about Green being completely useless in offense outside of his passing. He has been regressing heavily from 3 for a while to the point where he shouldn't actually be allowed to shoot anymore. Sometimes he takes one just to show the defense he cannot be disrespected but it often bricks miserably. I would honestly forget actions that make him a passer up top behind the 3pt line, the defense is way too free to completely disregard what he does and focus on the other players. He's more dangerous passing from the post.
His contract is going to be interesting, because he is elite on D and a great glue guy, but with his shot being as awful as it has been he hurts them on O. I don't think he is worth the max though for the warriors probably close. I think if someone else signs him they will be disappointed unless it is someone like the Twolves who have the O and need the passing and D. Still I think any other team his value drops dramatically.
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As far as Masai Ujiri the team builder goes... i'm clearly not the only one following his moves.. + Show Spoiler +
On December 14 2018 01:15 ZenithM wrote: Also if I were the Warriors I would be very worried about Green being completely useless in offense outside of his passing. He has been regressing heavily from 3 for a while to the point where he shouldn't actually be allowed to shoot anymore. Sometimes he takes one just to show the defense he cannot be disrespected but it often bricks miserably. I would honestly forget actions that make him a passer up top behind the 3pt line, the defense is way too free to completely disregard what he does and focus on the other players. He's more dangerous passing from the post. i don't recall Draymond Green having such an awkward shooting motion on the 3-ball. His 3 point shot form looked horrible last night.
Also, Draymond can't keep injuring guys. The league office is going to ignore Masai Ujiri's complaints about what Draymond did last night. However, if he injures one of two more people this year Silver will be forced to listen and react in some way given his history of kicking guys in the balls.
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Durant is supposed to be the most consistent one. Klay is boom or bust. Curry is somewhere in the middle. I think they just laid an egg, similar to getting blown out by the Bucks on their home floor. Funny enough, they beat the Bucks in Milwaukee and played the Raptors much closer in Toronto missing Green and Curry. I think this team just stopped giving a crap in the regular season sometime last year.
McCollum keeps going off on the Grizzlies even though the Grizz are routinely good on defense. He must really like playing them.
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i wonder if Kerr was "punishing" his team by pulling the starters off the floor with 5.5 minutes left. It made for some good theatre. The stadium almost completely emptied.. .
all that was left was University of Waterloo alumni chanting "Let's Go Raptors". https://streamable.com/4cyy1
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