Going to be playing 3's tonight with my friends so I'll upload the video in a couple of days maybe even tonight. Need to practice them combo's! Don't jump alot, don't jump alot!

thedeadhaji

39489 Posts

July 12 2008 03:34 GMT

#602

combos are best practiced in training mode, being able to get it down 9/10 times.

Then when you try to put it to use the rate will drop to like 4/10, but hey that's much better than the 1/10 it probably was before.

Then you go back and do it in training again, repeat.

Eventually you get to the point where you can do it in a game 6/10, 8/10, etc.

GL!

Scooter

United States747 Posts

July 12 2008 04:52 GMT

#603

oh shit, my bad T----T yeah, he's a socal player .___. that was awkward.

edit: finally got around to finishing the podcast, great stuff! This is even more useful than audio commentaries when I was still into Warcraft 3.

Bill307

Canada9103 Posts

July 12 2008 07:09 GMT

#604

I should check out the new podcasts.

So this guy ShinRyuX from South Florida is in Waterloo on business for 2 weeks. I played 3s with him twice last week. He has a fearsome Ken. Apparently he would often get top 5 in 3s tournaments a few years ago, so he is definitely a strong player.

I've read on SRK that one of the goals with Ken's okizeme is to make your opponent think you're going to throw him, then make him whiff the throw (or parry a cr.lp+lk option select) and combo into a super. Until I played ShinRyuX, I did not realize just how effectively Ken can do this. O_O

Anyway, hopefully I can take the brief experience I've had fighting him to beef up my Ken for T9.

MCMcEmcee

United States1609 Posts

July 12 2008 10:32 GMT

#605

Ken oki is hilarious. So easy to fake throw into big damage, or fake a fake throw into a real throw D: Ken stutter step mixup is the best.

Too bad my only way to play threez against real people is GGPO until the new arcade opens here, I absolutely hate having all the timings feel so off.

ArC_man

United States2798 Posts

July 12 2008 11:18 GMT

#606

Ken's most dangerous w/ that stuff when he has you cornered. I used to eat throws all day until I picked up Ken and learned how to do that stuff for myself. Here's how I kinda deal with it w/ my Yun. First I try to recognize what people like to do. Most people like to do stuff like meaty strong -> throw (mixed up with strong fierce chain) or meaty cr. short-> throw (or cr. short cr. short xx, or cr. short pause cr. short cr. short xx, or cr short, st jab xx). Of course there's also stuff like the axe kick or the UOH, but you can react to those and block if you learn to look for it.

If Ken does meaty strong, usually what I try to do is block the meaty and immediately try to jump + parry. If he does the chain, I'll end up blocking it and if he tries to throw, I'll be in the air. If I fuck up, maybe I eat a fierce or something, much better than eating a combo into super. If he does a cr. short from almost point blank and walks forward, I always tech, since there's nothing else he can do other than throw (or if he tries something else, your throw will get him).

Midscreen depending on the range I like to walk back (gets me outta throw range and then I can jump or do something stupid and get hit anyways), or jump back+parry (if I'm cornered, sometimes I jump up and parry or divekick away if he's walking towards me). If he's walking back and forth, in and out of throw range, I can time a cr.short xx dashpunch while he's walking forward before he can parry down.

Basically I just run the fuck away and build meter =P, some people don't have the luxury of having characters with free damage so they have to make more risky guesses.

One of the better guys at the arcade told me I shouldn't tech until I see the throw come out. I don't know how he does it, but it seems to work for him to an extent. Maybe if you have godly reflexes you can just block all day and tech when you see him throw you. For more normal or slower people (like me), you just have to recognize what options he has and predict to the best of your ability.

thedeadhaji

39489 Posts

July 12 2008 18:51 GMT

#607

uhhh, I just looked it up and Ken's throw manifests itself in 2 frames. That's 1/30th of a second. No human being can react to that after seeing the beginning of the throw animation.

Most people can't even hit confirm Ken's cr.mk which is like 7 frames of cancel time iirc.

KOFgokuon

United States14888 Posts

July 12 2008 19:01 GMT

#608

ya that would be insane, even like top level athletes reacting to starting guns etc can react that fast

Myrmidon

United States9452 Posts

July 12 2008 21:27 GMT

#609

On July 13 2008 03:51 thedeadhaji wrote:
uhhh, I just looked it up and Ken's throw manifests itself in 2 frames. That's 1/30th of a second. No human being can react to that after seeing the beginning of the throw animation.

Most people can't even hit confirm Ken's cr.mk which is like 7 frames of cancel time iirc.

Isn't it 2 frames startup + 1 hitting frame + 5 frames afterwards in order to tech? That's about the same as the c.mk as mentioned.

edit: but yeah, obviously on reaction that's still insane. Nothing like hit confirming where you're looking for something specific that you initiated and know beforehand exactly when to look for it.

thedeadhaji

39489 Posts

July 12 2008 21:30 GMT

#610

ah you might be right, but 7-8 frames is still in the area of "most top players cannot do it"

I recall Keeper, among others, saying he cant do cr.mk -> SAIII for ken.

ArC_man

United States2798 Posts

July 13 2008 00:16 GMT

#611

I don't feel the cr. mk confirm isn't very hard if you're looking for it (which I do almost every time I stick it out). I use the same method as chun's cr. mk confirm and I hit it over half of the time; there are some people I know who very rarely miss. The times I miss, the super won't come out, so I'm ok. Of course, if you're not looking for it, it's a lot harder and also you're not gonna win by trying to hit confirm cr. mk all day.

If teching is about the same amount of time as cr. mk confirm, perhaps if you have godly reflexes and you really look for it you *can* tech on reaction. Of course the guy could have been totally bullshitting me (which is what I thought when he first told me this).

MCMcEmcee

United States1609 Posts

July 13 2008 00:58 GMT

#612

Hold down-back, look for overhead, late (option-select) tech attempt (since you can't be thrown as soon as you get up anyhow). If they don't have a command grab, this is a pretty stable way to get up.
If you just do it mechanically every time then of course they can mess you up, but it's just a basis to work from really.

Bill307

Canada9103 Posts

July 14 2008 06:33 GMT

#613

As Rockefeller might say:

T9 AHF results: I hate my life.

SayaSP

Laos5494 Posts

July 14 2008 06:39 GMT

#614

Yo Bill don't hate your life just yet, check this!

On a more serious note don't hate your life! Only Harem should.

Bill307

Canada9103 Posts

July 14 2008 07:57 GMT

#615

On July 14 2008 15:39 SayaSP wrote:
Yo Bill don't hate your life just yet, check this!

... That topic is making me hate life in general, haha.

I was just joking. Typical post-tournament not-1st-place regret. Anyway, here are the actual results:

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=5342826&postcount=50

By the way, it turns out my Kira is still far better than my Kamui. Unfortunately I learned this the "hard" way. T___T

SayaSP

Laos5494 Posts

July 14 2008 08:04 GMT

#616

You can't let go of the blob, man.

MCMcEmcee

United States1609 Posts

July 14 2008 08:57 GMT

#617

Kira's just plain easier to win with in America. Kamui is pretty simple as well, but if you're not super comfortable with her then you might as well play Kira.

Plus Kamui is dumb in FULL, wait till AH2 to play Kamui since that's when the real fun begins ;(

Scooter

United States747 Posts

July 14 2008 11:41 GMT

#618

AHHH!!! FINALLY DID IT!! FULL KEEPER JIN!

waaah, sorry for the caps, but finishing it was totally orgasmic. I know the combo's not that hard, but it was super nifty to see how fast I could get Akuma's life to go down. Pyrolee/Gooteck's podcast like tolly renewed my drive to get better. Also that was one creepy ass player.

Bill307

Canada9103 Posts

July 14 2008 21:14 GMT

#619

Congrats, Scooter. I've heard it's really difficult to pull off (consistently).

On July 14 2008 15:39 SayaSP wrote:
Yo Bill don't hate your life just yet, check this!

Ohhhh now I see what happened here. Catyoul posted a link to an image that will retrieve each person's own profile pic, so everyone sees their own pic, hahahahahaha.

But my profile pic was just the default ? so I didn't get the joke. I just read the first page and thought everybody was claiming to be the ? person in an attempt to be funny.

Edit: rooooofl:

On July 14 2008 15:19 outqast wrote:
CAN AN ADMIN PLEASE TAKE DOWN THIS THREAD. THIS IS EXTREMELY EMBARRASSING, AND I WOULD PREFER MY PICTURE OR MY INFORMATION BE POSTED ON THIS FORUM. CAN YOU CLOSE THIS PLEASE. I DID NOT GIVE MY INFORMATION OUT ON FACEBOOK AND SOMEHOW YOU HAVE ACCESS TO IT. I AM DISABLING ALL MY STARCRAFT APPLICATIONS NOW AND CHANGING MY PICTURE.

thedeadhaji

39489 Posts

July 15 2008 19:54 GMT

#620

The computer used to capture / process / compress G.Vision ranats is having issues so their uploads are being delayed and whatnot.