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On December 08 2016 11:00 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 10:49 Chairman Ray wrote:On December 08 2016 07:55 ExO_ wrote:On December 07 2016 16:26 Chairman Ray wrote:On December 07 2016 15:13 ExO_ wrote: I don't agree with Chairman ray's logic about scum would only post in best case scenarios.
I pretty much don't agree with NU's line of thinking regarding TW trying to buddy him, but I think his activity (lol) and bothering to explain it like that makes him town to me.
Ray looks sketchy to me.
TW looks Town. Just to expand on my previous point, I didn't mean that scum would only post in best case scenarios, but instead that they might mistakenly ignore a very obvious scenario that town wouldn't. The one scenario that was almost ignored was a blue getting killed N0. If they were town, they could have genuinely believed that if a blue died, we don't have to do anything differently, but if they were mafia, maybe they weren't planning to blue snipe so they ignored it. But the bigger thing they left out was the scenario that mafia fakeclaims, in which case there are no confirmed town or redchecks on D1. There's a fairly good chunk of math in this scenario which they shouldn't have ignored. Unless of course they knew that mafia wasn't going to fakeclaim, and look where we are now. So just to summarize, these are my suspicions: - TW and NU post math assuming that blue roles don't die - Koshi was killed, who I don't think was a blue snipe - TW and NU ignore the scenario that mafia fakeclaims - Mafia aren't fakeclaiming
So yes, I think it's very possible that they were just speaking casually on whatever was at the top of their mind, but given that they decided to math out a very narrow scenario without much reasoning, and that scenario happened exactly as they assumed, it seems like a really big coincidence. This is what I have a problem with @cakepie. TW and NU post math that assume blue roles don't die. But that's not scummy in the slightest. Scum have absolutely 0 way of knowing if they are going to catch a blue or a VT. They mapped out scenarios in which blues don't die on N0 and then blues did die on N0. The scenario didn't happen exactly as they assumed. The lack of fake claiming at this point doesn't mean much. It will happen eventually but just because it hadn't happened (and especially when CR posted) doesn't mean it won't happen. Using all of that reasoning to imply that TW and NU are scum is complete bullshit imo. And the cherry on top is he back pedals with "but its possible they were just casually speaking whatever was on the top of their mind" Summed up "Yeah I wanna imply that you guys are scum with really bad reasoning, but not commit to it." Looks sketchy and very possible scum-filler type of post. I don't think you represented my case fairly. I want to know what you think of TW and NU. When you read over their 'game math' posts, does it read to you like town who are actively trying to win the game? Why didn't you push them for it? They were not 'game math' posts as you put it. We were arguing why cop/medic should claim USING 'math' to demonstrate it. Also, you're hardly pushing either of us. You shared your thoughts on me and TW discussing game mechanics, but other than asking us why we town-leaned each other, you never engaged in a conversation with either of us to push us. That, and your whole contribution this game is about me and TW. So. What is your take on ExO and cakepie?
If you and TW are interested in using math to demonstrate whether or not cop should claim, why the sudden lack of interest today? Exo made a strong push in favor of cop claiming. TW made a short mention that cop should only claim if he checks red. You haven't mentioned anything at all. I would expect that TW should be fighting hard against Exo and you to have some sort of opinion as well. You two were so passionate yesterday but you don't seem to care today.
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in case this needs clarification I had myself, NU, and Koshi in a group [of people who might be N0 kills] but not all for the same reasons: NU because he was active and slightly townie; myself for the same, and I thought that we were potentially a strategic kill to try and abuse a highly inactive town; and Koshi because he is the most veteran and most respected player in the game. I accidentally put Koshi in the same pile for something else but then caught my mistake.
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On December 08 2016 11:17 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 11:00 NeverUnlucky wrote:On December 08 2016 10:49 Chairman Ray wrote:On December 08 2016 07:55 ExO_ wrote:On December 07 2016 16:26 Chairman Ray wrote:On December 07 2016 15:13 ExO_ wrote: I don't agree with Chairman ray's logic about scum would only post in best case scenarios.
I pretty much don't agree with NU's line of thinking regarding TW trying to buddy him, but I think his activity (lol) and bothering to explain it like that makes him town to me.
Ray looks sketchy to me.
TW looks Town. Just to expand on my previous point, I didn't mean that scum would only post in best case scenarios, but instead that they might mistakenly ignore a very obvious scenario that town wouldn't. The one scenario that was almost ignored was a blue getting killed N0. If they were town, they could have genuinely believed that if a blue died, we don't have to do anything differently, but if they were mafia, maybe they weren't planning to blue snipe so they ignored it. But the bigger thing they left out was the scenario that mafia fakeclaims, in which case there are no confirmed town or redchecks on D1. There's a fairly good chunk of math in this scenario which they shouldn't have ignored. Unless of course they knew that mafia wasn't going to fakeclaim, and look where we are now. So just to summarize, these are my suspicions: - TW and NU post math assuming that blue roles don't die - Koshi was killed, who I don't think was a blue snipe - TW and NU ignore the scenario that mafia fakeclaims - Mafia aren't fakeclaiming
So yes, I think it's very possible that they were just speaking casually on whatever was at the top of their mind, but given that they decided to math out a very narrow scenario without much reasoning, and that scenario happened exactly as they assumed, it seems like a really big coincidence. This is what I have a problem with @cakepie. TW and NU post math that assume blue roles don't die. But that's not scummy in the slightest. Scum have absolutely 0 way of knowing if they are going to catch a blue or a VT. They mapped out scenarios in which blues don't die on N0 and then blues did die on N0. The scenario didn't happen exactly as they assumed. The lack of fake claiming at this point doesn't mean much. It will happen eventually but just because it hadn't happened (and especially when CR posted) doesn't mean it won't happen. Using all of that reasoning to imply that TW and NU are scum is complete bullshit imo. And the cherry on top is he back pedals with "but its possible they were just casually speaking whatever was on the top of their mind" Summed up "Yeah I wanna imply that you guys are scum with really bad reasoning, but not commit to it." Looks sketchy and very possible scum-filler type of post. I don't think you represented my case fairly. I want to know what you think of TW and NU. When you read over their 'game math' posts, does it read to you like town who are actively trying to win the game? Why didn't you push them for it? They were not 'game math' posts as you put it. We were arguing why cop/medic should claim USING 'math' to demonstrate it. Also, you're hardly pushing either of us. You shared your thoughts on me and TW discussing game mechanics, but other than asking us why we town-leaned each other, you never engaged in a conversation with either of us to push us. That, and your whole contribution this game is about me and TW. So. What is your take on ExO and cakepie? If you and TW are interested in using math to demonstrate whether or not cop should claim, why the sudden lack of interest today? Exo made a strong push in favor of cop claiming. TW made a short mention that cop should only claim if he checks red. You haven't mentioned anything at all. I would expect that TW should be fighting hard against Exo and you to have some sort of opinion as well. You two were so passionate yesterday but you don't seem to care today. now that doc is dead any plan for blues to carry us through the game won't work. also now there are posts to talk about instead of just setup and an empty void.
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On December 08 2016 04:57 cakepie wrote:I have to call it a night here. Figure that most of you NA folks are going about your day with work, school and whatnot. Hopefully at least some of you are still up when I get back on tomorrow. - H1 thanks for our brief exchange. Please work with the others while I'm asleep.
- TW explain yourself. There's quite a bit you have to answer for already so I don't see a need to give you any additional specific questions at this point.
- ExO you owe me an answer for #115. Can you please elaborate on C-Ray and other stuff in #98.
- C-Ray, what would NU+TW scumteam accomplish by having both scummers come into thread and push (bad/misleading) plan and stick out like sore thumbs touting their activity and shit-giving when town has been moderately quiet night 0? If it's not a NU+TW scumteam, then which of the two is scum? And who of the remaining players is their scumbuddy?
- NU you already have several questions from me. Remember to filter ExO for me please.
If NU+TW is the scumteam, I don't think they were trying to push a bad plan at all. The simplest explanation would be to feign activity, and most oftentimes that comes in the form of game math.
In my experiences, mafia tend to buddy up more when they're the most active ones, and draw distance when town are the most active ones. If the two mafia were the active ones in the middle of a quiet town, I could totally see them patting each other on the back for being active.
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On December 08 2016 04:04 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 03:46 cakepie wrote: Like wtf H1, at least try. Maybe we've exhausted the available material on TW, but tell me something about NU or ExO or CRay. ExO has maintained that the cop should claim. I dont particularly agree, I'd rather tempt fate on a no-lynch and have the cop end-of-night phase post their N0 check, with the possibility of getting a N1 check as well. Besides that, ExO is doing a poor job of actually reading the thread, and I'm not sure where that falls on the scummy/stupid scale so I dont want to pursue a lynch there.
I like CR's posts, his suspicions, questions, justifications for everything are well reasoned and show appropriate suspicion.
I do not like NU's overly defensive tone following the daypost when CR accused TW/NU of hiding behind poorly reasoned math. + Show Spoiler [#86] +On December 07 2016 10:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 07:47 Chairman Ray wrote: I'd lynch either Tumblewood or NeverUnlucky. Both of them posted a bunch of game math yesterday, with the mistake of assuming everything goes well for town, even going as far as avoiding the scenario where either the cop or medic dies. A town looking at game math usually thinks about worst case scenarios and how to avoid them, whereas scum try to convince town of the best case scenarios happening. Neither of them even mentioned the possibility of cop or medic dying, probably because Koshi was a respect kill and not a blue snipe. I find it opportunistic that you call me and tw out on our lack of assumptions now that the medic was shanked rather than when we were actually discussing it ie I doubt that you would be reproaching us this if it was a VT that flipped today. Also, I dislike that you are entering the day with two targets you'd like to see lynched, especially since pretty much nothing happened N0, so I don't understand how you're ready to see myself or tw lynched already. Also, I don't think your justification to scum-read either of us is worthy of calling us lynch targets. Especially the 2nd paragraph in the above spoiler, it reads to me as less about NU being one of the targets and more about CR having more than one target, when they're being accused with same reasoning. Why would CR be inclined to single someone out in this scenario? To me, there's no reason for it and NU's post comes off as contrived to me.
As you said, most of the TW material has been covered so I'll skip over it. Also, I think you're town. My vote preferences are: 1-No-Lynch 2-TW 3-NU 4-ExO 5-CR 6-cake 7-me weird seeing 1der go from short posts with lots of nothing in between to a couple walls of text (small ones) all of a sudden. don't know why town would do it, but I don't know why scum would either.
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also funny th\t 1der's list of who to lynch is the reverse of mine, perfectly (except no lynch is still at the top ofc)
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Forced myself up. Brain was overdrive, couldn't rest well anyway. Ugh. I have things to talk to each of you about so I hope you're all going to be present for a bit. Lemme get coffee and then we'll chat. Feel free to leave stuff for me and I'll get back to you at some point.
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On December 08 2016 11:46 Chairman Ray wrote: In my experiences, mafia tend to buddy up more when they're the most active ones, and draw distance when town are the most active ones. If the two mafia were the active ones in the middle of a quiet town, I could totally see them patting each other on the back for being active. Isn't that a bit circular and self-reinforcing? 1. Active players seem to buddy in quiet N0 -> 2. mafia together? -> 3. oh look mafia buddying in quiet town -> 4. go back to step 2
Furthermore, I think it looks more like only one (TW) is actively buddying. I think NU might already started smelling a rat and was questioning why/how TW formed that absurd TW/NU/Koshi circle:
On December 07 2016 15:48 cakepie wrote:I mindmeld NU on TW seeming to buddy toward end of N0, and I like his questions #71 #73 #74. I believe that NU could be genuinely (if naively) broaching the possibility of "If VTs agree never to fakeclaim, all CCs become MvT". TW jumps at the opportunity to gain easy towncred by enumerating possible scenarios according to mechanics, and to engage NU to try to start a buddybuddy going jerking over setup.
TW's scumbuddy is somewhere else, and I think they could be tentatively drawing distance at that point in time, with town?NU active, soondead!Koshi and uncertainty over how active the rest of us would behave.
If you're going down the road of associative reads I think there's more interesting interactions than just backpatting.
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On December 08 2016 10:49 Tumblewood wrote: re: your scumread on me ok so I made a plan and I didn't think it through all the way. how can you, from that information, conclude that I was mafia trying to mislead you (and it's not like I was trying to steer you away from any plan — there was no plan at the time) and not town just trying to figure the game out? I don't even see the motive besides making myself look better. and the Koshi thing: in a world where TW says something that would totally make sense from a townie who mistyped, one man sets out to explain how it was an intentional, subversive scum move. Weakass swatting at easy tinfoil bits without addressing the crux of the matter.
You're not mafia trying to mislead me. You might be mafia trying to mislead NU. "Mislead" isn't limited to steering town toward or away from any particular plan. Your "plan" post is you starting to try to get into NU's good books, which escalates into full blown buddying. Are you really town just trying to figure the game out? I think you're scum trying to make yourself look better.
You swat at the tinfoil by countering you simply mistyped and we shouldn't read into you separating Koshi from NU and yourself. So you claim you're not painting yourself green with his blood. But I don't see you refuting the baseless buddying on the basis of "activity", which is overhyped noise in your case. At least NU asked some good questions during the night.
You didn't address how you suddenly go from "D1 mylo" to optimism for D3. Townies are allowed to be wrong, I don't think but townies are allowed to be negligent. So let's suppose your planpost was an honest mistake. When I posit that your plan relies on a weak premise, you don't even check. You snark back at me confidently with incorrect math.
If you're town, tell me what kind of flawed town?math you used to get 25 and 42. And why do you divide 25/42? I could speculate but I’d rather hear you explain it. If you made an honest mistake, show us how you erred and maybe we'd buy it.
Oh, and you choose the most tinfoil bit of my case to OMGUS me. Heee, that tickles.
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On December 08 2016 12:19 Tumblewood wrote: also funny th\t 1der's list of who to lynch is the reverse of mine, perfectly (except no lynch is still at the top ofc) Nice OMGUS.
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On December 08 2016 11:11 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 16:37 ExO_ wrote: Actually I just realized I misread TWs posts he never says rewarding town. I'm starting to think I'm going a bit crazy this post (+ sequence before it) feels very candid. it is hard as scum to fake viewpoint -> new evidence -> change viewpoint to reflect that. also it would be a lot of attention to detail to fake a mistake and react realistically. Does this make him town for you? What is your read on ExO?
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 08 2016 10:05 NeverUnlucky wrote:Back from school! Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 15:48 cakepie wrote:I mindmeld NU on TW seeming to buddy toward end of N0, and I like his questions #71 #73 #74. NU, can you explain your response to TW's plan? + Show Spoiler +On December 06 2016 10:49 NeverUnlucky wrote: No, TW, bad plan.
Get the medic to claim D1. D1 - 3 c. town or 2 ctown, 1 mafia. N1 - 1 c.town dies D2 - 3 ctown, so 2 cmafia / 2 ctown, 1cmafia / 1 ctown, last cmafia GG in 2/3 scenarios.
Your method is risking the cop to check the medic and thus losing in efficiency. My method is pro and should be sheeped =))))))
You still around? I don't mean explain plan or math or scenarios. I mean explain your reaction to TW's plan, what you thought TW was doing, and your intent -- what were you doing with #46. Were you droll, troll, or actually seriously asking if TW still around so you can keep talking plan math? First off, I think that TW's post was just him voicing what he thought was the optimal scenario for town. As you pointed out, his post was not a troll/joke post, he was legitimately putting forth his plan. I do not see anything malicious in it despite him neglecting the possibility of a blue role dying. My response to his post + Show Spoiler +On December 06 2016 10:49 NeverUnlucky wrote: No, TW, bad plan.
Get the medic to claim D1. D1 - 3 c. town or 2 ctown, 1 mafia. N1 - 1 c.town dies D2 - 3 ctown, so 2 cmafia / 2 ctown, 1cmafia / 1 ctown, last cmafia GG in 2/3 scenarios.
Your method is risking the cop to check the medic and thus losing in efficiency. My method is pro and should be sheeped =))))))
You still around? was me demonstrating that a medic claim optimizes the amount of confirmed town by D1. It was also a follow-up to this post of mine + Show Spoiler + On December 06 2016 09:33 NeverUnlucky wrote: I agree that cop should claim at day start, and I also think that the medic should claim. NO VT EVER CC's. Force 1 on 1 with mafia or have up to 3 confirmed town if cop gets a green check who lives through the night. I asked if TW was still around to see if I could have a - non math-related - chat with him, which I ended up having with him the following day. Show nested quote +In light of TW's possible buddying later N0, do you agree that his earlier behavior also starts looking more insidious? I don't really get what you mean here. I looked up the definition of insidious, and the two possible meanings of it were: seductive and having a gradual and cumulative effect. When I reread his filter with these two ideas in my mind, I could not understand what made you think that way (other than the posts for which I suspected he was buddying me): -Seductive: None of his N0 posts make me think that he's trying to please or look good -- + Show Spoiler +On December 06 2016 15:52 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 15:34 ExO_ wrote: Hi.
claiming Vanilla Town.
Going back to PoE ugh I hope this isn't "hi I'm VT bye" because night doesn't mean we can't play. especially when you won't get killed for your reads because N0 On December 06 2016 15:56 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 14:22 cakepie wrote:if doc survives to D2 and cop survives to D1. 45% raw odds of fulfilling prerequisites for the plan, awesome! we can confirm up to five players as town sweet, even if no redchecks, we can find all five town by D3, which PoE the other two for confscum! good job! such plan much wow any NA still ard or am I stuck waiting for EU to wake up? pls it's 25/42 odds (so about 59%?) of prerequisites. anyway even if the odds slightly favor us I'd rather play a solid game with real reads and such. blue roles are boring On December 07 2016 00:09 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 15:57 ExO_ wrote:On December 06 2016 15:52 Tumblewood wrote:On December 06 2016 15:34 ExO_ wrote: Hi.
claiming Vanilla Town.
Going back to PoE ugh I hope this isn't "hi I'm VT bye" because night doesn't mean we can't play. especially when you won't get killed for your reads because N0 And what if it is? it's not but for the rest of the game I would have been biased towards lynching you On December 06 2016 07:51 Tumblewood wrote:? On December 06 2016 08:04 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 08:03 Chairman Ray wrote: We got no medic save n0, so shouldn't cop claim come at day? I guess... I quoted some of his posts, but honestly other than the potential buddying posts, all of his filter enters that category. -Having a gradual and cumulative effect : actually, I understand where you're coming from with "Gets all worked up N0 and early D1 about him giving a shit and others apparently not, trying way too hard to oversell his noise as activity before others even begin engaging", and I agree with that statement. #72, 76, 77, 84, 93, 94 are him associating giving a shit and/or being active with town and seeing as he self-categorised himself as giving a shit, it does look like he is trying to sell that he is town. This is especially concerning because he does not try to get others engaged in the thread. He only calls them out for it. Okay, so My method is pro and should be sheeped =)))))) is basically "my plan is much better!" with massive smiley glee. Thanks. I do understand you have the doc claim as N1 sac to flip and confirm doc, in your world where no VT fakeclaims.
As for the second part, close, but you miss my point. Sorry for the confusing language.
#72, 76, 77, 84, 93, 94 are ... Thing is, we already agree about #72 onwards. My question, amended for clarity, is: do you think that in light of #72+ his earlier behavior also starts looking like part of the pattern of buddying?
In other words: Could he be trying to establish a bond with you as far back as #44/45, eventually leading up to #72+? Did scum!bleweed take advantage of the opportunity you presented to earn easy towncred by talking setup and scenarios?
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On December 08 2016 10:56 NeverUnlucky wrote: My point was that he backed down on Koshi acting town when I questioned him. He went from Koshi, him, me are respected and acting town to Koshi is town for the respect kill thing once I asked him to explain how all of us were acting town. That’s the suspicious part about his read progression. Okay, I see now that we won't be able to resolve this due to two possible interpretations of ambiguous wording:
NK is always between me you and Koshi. the other players aren't 'respected' and aren't acting townie either Due to the negation ("the other players aren't"), by formal logic rules, I interpreted this to mean that members of (TW,NU,Koshi) are 'respected' or 'acting townie' (or both). Hence, TW's later correction is merely clarifying that Koshi is 'respected' while you two are 'acting townie'. You interpreted it to mean that members of (TW,NU,Koshi) are 'acting townie' and therefore you think that his later post is a strange reversal. I can see why you'd interpret this way. I don't agree, but I don't see it being productive for us to spend time talking over this minor thing. (Also if you balk at math, I'm not even going bother trying formal logic with you.)
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To follow up on your last one, TW said that me, Koshi, and him were the « respected town ». I find it quite suspect that one of the Three Musketeers was killed while he is trying to be chummy to the other. My point exactly.
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Fair enough. What is your overall evaluation of Ray though? This reads like a lean-town’ish read. Is that what it is? Yes. He is doing original scumhunting in his own way. That's a lot more than what some people have been up to.
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I’m sorry, but these two questions will have to wait for another time (perhaps later tonight if I’m productive). I spent more time than I thought I would just commenting and answering posts on page 6 and still have like 6 flagged posts I’d like to discuss, and I need to get some RL stuff done for tomorrow. Fair enough, if you're really pressed for time then put aside TW and #112 analysis for the time being and do just one thing for me tonight: Dive ExO -- it's just one page atm.
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What is your timezone for future reference? Physically located GMT+8, but that's meaningless -- my sleep cycles are all out of whack. Past couple days it's been more like GMT+3 or +4. I just got up at something like GMT+6 to catch you guys.
Not sure where next. Either I stay up all night to keep talking to you guys leading up to the deadline (6am here) or I wake up at 5am just to catch up frantically with one hour to go while underperforming due to grogginess.
Playing mafia from the wrong side of the planet sucks.
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gotta check cakepie's meta to see if being an asshat is his normal meta + Show Spoiler +inb4 this is also a subversive, manipulative trick designed intentionally to buddy NU and mislead town I don't know if you think you're spotting my mafia tricks or some shit but actually you're finding evidence where there is none. literally things that could go either way and you are construing them toward I am scum without hesitation
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On December 08 2016 15:24 Tumblewood wrote:gotta check cakepie's meta to see if being an asshat is his normal meta + Show Spoiler +inb4 this is also a subversive, manipulative trick designed intentionally to buddy NU and mislead town I don't know if you think you're spotting my mafia tricks or some shit but actually you're finding evidence where there is none. literally things that could go either way and you are construing them toward I am scum without hesitation wait guys found the confession
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On December 08 2016 15:24 Tumblewood wrote:gotta check cakepie's meta to see if being an asshat is his normal meta + Show Spoiler +inb4 this is also a subversive, manipulative trick designed intentionally to buddy NU and mislead town I don't know if you think you're spotting my mafia tricks or some shit but actually you're finding evidence where there is none. literally things that could go either way and you are construing them toward I am scum without hesitation
I don't think cakepie is being an asshat. and I find the tone of your posts here to be odd. Saying they could go either way, instead of saying I'm town and you're clearly wrong I think says a lot about the position you are speaking from.
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idk I've only been around for a year but players who haven't played in a long time seem to be more anal than most. cakepie could be town but if so he's town that's really pissing me off. 1der too. if I had to guess it's between cakepie, 1der and ray because none of them have made me lean town at any point.
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On December 08 2016 15:26 Tumblewood wrote:wait guys found the confession Seals. Where are the seals.
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Oh, and will everyone please take note that I have ceased to tunneltown ExO. Thanks!
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On December 08 2016 16:16 cakepie wrote: Oh, and will everyone please take note that I have ceased to tunneltown ExO. Thanks!
What was the purpose of this post. At first it didn't bother me but the more I think about it, the more it makes no sense. Why say this without explaining it? Do you have any reasoning for town tunneling me, then cancelling it for some reason?
Without explanation I can't see a town motivation for posting this
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On December 08 2016 18:35 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 16:16 cakepie wrote: Oh, and will everyone please take note that I have ceased to tunneltown ExO. Thanks! What was the purpose of this post. At first it didn't bother me but the more I think about it, the more it makes no sense. Why say this without explaining it? Do you have any reasoning for town tunneling me, then cancelling it for some reason? Without explanation I can't see a town motivation for posting this
This guy, not even read, doesn't even know where and why I town tunneled him.
Have you been IAW playing that other game again instead of playing the mafia game you signed up for?
I'm drafting something on TW. Will get back to you.
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On December 08 2016 18:48 cakepie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 18:35 ExO_ wrote:On December 08 2016 16:16 cakepie wrote: Oh, and will everyone please take note that I have ceased to tunneltown ExO. Thanks! What was the purpose of this post. At first it didn't bother me but the more I think about it, the more it makes no sense. Why say this without explaining it? Do you have any reasoning for town tunneling me, then cancelling it for some reason? Without explanation I can't see a town motivation for posting this This guy, not even read, doesn't even know where and why I town tunneled him. Have you been IAW playing that other game again instead of playing the mafia game you signed up for? I'm drafting something on TW. Will get back to you.
I'm asking you to explain why you stopped town tunneling me. Just announcing it serves no purpose for town. It doesn't help us in any way. What town motivation do you have for just announcing it without explaining
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On December 08 2016 15:29 Tumblewood wrote: cakepie could be town but if so he's town that's really pissing me off. I'm here to find scum and lynch scum, not to coddle you.
You could answer my question about your math and try to show me why you're just a townie who made an honest mistake. Nope.
You could actually elaborate on your comment about ExO that I flagged for your attention. Nope.
You could give proper reads on ExO, that I asked for, or on anyone else for that matter. Nope.
Instead you wail about me jumping at shadows, without offering any alternative targets.
You complain about me being an asshat. Dude I've barely even started.
You casually fling suspicion widely "between cakepie, 1der and ray because none of them have made me lean town at any point." with no clear explanation. Not even a scumread on any of your three listed options? All I see here as justification is the mere fact that you don't have a townread on any of us, whereas presumably NU is still in your "gives a shit" bucket while ExO "feels very candid" -- both for poorly fleshed out reasons.
All you have is a couple of weak townreads? really? mylo does mean we have to be careful not to mislynch. But mylo is not an excuse for being overly cautious to the point that you can't even come up with a single substantiated suspicion. In fact, mylo makes it all the more urgent for us to work hard. This isn't D1 in some 13 player game where you have the luxury of time and mislynches.
Coming back to giving shits. Funny thing is, I do give a shit and for all the suspicion I throw your way, I did leave you a couple of outs. I gave you options, I gave you time, for you to try to prove your towniness but you simply won't take any of them.
I don't see you giving a shit about demonstrating your towniness. I don't see you giving a shit about doing anything actually useful.
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On December 08 2016 11:20 Tumblewood wrote: also now there are posts to talk about instead of just setup and an empty void. Right, and what have you done about it?
Jack shit.
What a hypocrite.
You don't actually seem to give a shit; time to remove you from your own town circle.
##Vote Tumblewood
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