PvT - Defending 1-base all-ins
Drogo vs masa replay:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/512267-iem-shanghai-replaypackHarstem vs byun replay:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0suoovMS9qxS0NmVzJ0S25KNVkExamples of it working in Korea. Just a few of MANY times it worked there:
Ultimately not much answer at top level KR play.
Too much variety.
stalker/prism vs cyclone, immortal adept vs marine tank. Stalkers vs libs. Obs vs mines. So many varieties it’s very hard for Protoss to balance. Have to balance on the fly.
SHANGHAI Ptitdrogo holds Masa’s 1-base cheese
3-gate robo defence.
Overcharge to buy time
Focus on warping in ASAP and frequently. Add extra gates with excess minerals
Pull Probes when bunkers are halfway done
Focus fire the tech units
Medivacs, THEN tanks, then cyclones usually.
At lower levels you can just aim the tanks and cyclones first as they won’t have good enough micro to pick them up.
At high levels always focus the medivac first or you’ll lose lots of stalker projectiles when they pick up
So how do we scout and what are the options?
there is 3 things
they can do
with gas first
1. gas first reaper -->factory
they will get 1:45 cc
still
its bascially the same as barracks gas marine
they can do the same builds with that
except here u have a reaper to scout
and slightly worse mineral eco
2. Gas first marine factory inbase
u will see the factory with this
3. gas first marine factory proxy
if u scout gas first
and u dont see a factory in base
and there is no cc on low ground
it is proxy factory
so then u know what it is
either mine-->tank
or
straight tank
SHANGHAI Ptitdrogo holds Masa’s 1-base cheese
3-gate robo defence.
Overcharge to buy time
Focus on warping in ASAP and frequently. Add extra gates with excess minerals
Pull Probes when bunkers are halfway done
Focus fire the tech units
Medivacs, THEN tanks, then cyclones usually.
At lower levels you can just aim the tanks and cyclones first as they won’t have good enough micro to pick them up.
At high levels always focus the medivac first or you’ll lose lots of stalker projectiles when they pick up
Harstem Byun
Scout fast 2nd depot @1:45 - indicates it might be aggressive
Also the meta on frozen is lots of cheese cos no ramp for P to use highground on
Nonstop building units
Mothership core isn’t important
Any tank or cyclone attack will never fight into overcharge - so it just buys time.
Buying time often doesn’t help since the terran will build bunkers and Protoss NEEDS to fight before those bunkers get up.
Chrono warpgate from ⅓ done so that it times out with your gates finishing
2xgates at 3:00
Focus on warping in ASAP and frequently. Add extra gates with excess minerals (5:10)
Pull Probes when bunkers are halfway done
Focus fire the tech units
Medivacs, THEN tanks, then cyclones usually.
At lower levels you can just aim the tanks and cyclones first as they won’t have good enough micro to pick them up.
At high levels always focus the medivac first or you’ll lose lots of stalker projectiles when they pick up
Move out after first warpin
with 6 units
and probes from the natural
to make sure he cant set up with bunkers
Meant to hold the position
2 immortals then prism
You can shade past with 2 adepts if they went tanks. But if there’s any cyclones its best not to.
Trap vs Innovation’s cyclone cheese
The most important thing is still the rule of pumping units off 3 gates and a robo
Vs cyclone-heavy styles the key is to use a warp prism to micro vs it.
It’s pretty advanced, however even if you can’t do it too well dw your opponent will mess up their cyclone micro too so you should do ok.
High ground
Moving forward then back. Forward then back.
Pylon Overcharge as a safety zone
The twilight (greed) + obs being sniped was what made this so hard. If Inno pushed in he probably could have won. There was a window before that scan came down (10:15) where trap could have engaged, targetting the mines and using the prism to negate the cyclones’ lock on.
Blink and disruptors eventually if it drags onto bigger armies
The best anti mech units.
Summary:
You can probably defend if you play a safe 3g robo and delay mocore
You will need great anti-cyclone micro and very good engagement micro and sick timing of when you choose to engage
Ultimately not much answer at top level KR play.
Too much variety.
stalker/prism vs cyclone, immortal adept vs marine tank. Stalkers vs libs. Obs vs mines. So many varieties it’s very hard for Protoss to balance. Have to balance on the fly.