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On June 09 2016 05:01 MoosyDoosy wrote: So Skynx, let me get this straight. You scum read kush? Are you reading the thread at all? Check votes, check my reads, my filter is clear about what I think of people.
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On June 09 2016 05:01 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote: To further elaborate, there is no way I'm wasting my vote on a coin-flip today. How do you rate from most coin-flippy to least coin-flippy?? Afk-ers are coin-flippy cuz we don't have information to analyse.
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This is getting nowhere. I gtg now, keeping my vote on kush.
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On June 09 2016 05:00 Fecalfeast wrote:yup I'm going through emperor's filter. He flips on QT as it gets closer to him being killed, he says he's not sdure about me then calls me half life 3 confirmed town. also: Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 00:26 emperorchampion wrote: Also I don't think I ever hard read QT as maf, just hypothosised that it was odd QT and Tumble were defending each other. This was the information I was interested in. I dunno you are trying to twist my words I feel This made me check and it seems he was really hedging his bets and skirting around making any hard calls at all about QT. Show nested quote +On June 05 2016 01:41 emperorchampion wrote:I took a look through Tumblewood's filter, since he seems like the only one posting anything of note aside from QT-pie and Jealsus (which is a cesspool I don't want to wade through). + Show Spoiler +On June 04 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 09:33 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 09:31 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:29 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 09:22 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:14 blkcoffee wrote:On June 04 2016 08:59 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote:If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games. I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads. For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed? That's fine, they are there for anyone who is curious, and were presented solely as some substantive evidence against Tumblewood's flimsy read. What I think of Quick town-reading me so early is that he is that he is potentially trying to make allies among people he would know are confirmed townie, because he is mafia. Or, in retrospect, as my first post in response to him and Superbia was more or less stating that I found their behavior suspicious, he aims to pass that suspicion onto me by making it seem like I am in cohorts with them, or something. The fact that he is a newcomer to TL Mafia may have something to do with the fact that he is playing, in my opinion, fast and dangerous. This seems rather too in-depth this early on. I think if quicktwist gave an explanation For the town read we could analyse it and see how it holds up. Another dodgy response here. Leaning scum intensifies. you're going to have to explain how that makes me scum without saying the word "vibes". Instead of substantiating your claims you post image macros that effectively close the topic for further analysis and discussion, something that would be key for scum to do in order to protect themselves from further inspection. the folly in this is that no one "protects themselves from further inspection" by posting images instead of responses, nor is that "key for scum to do". qt should not be afraid of the pressure you are putting on him because it is weak pressure (in the sense that it is convincing no one else) and it does not help him avoid inspection. Here it looks like tumble is putting pressure on Jealous. This is based off of defense for QT, since he gave strong townread to QT earlier here: On June 04 2016 09:20 Tumblewood wrote: shitty early d1 reads that I shouldn't be making town: superbia, qt town lean: emperor null: moosy scum lean: jealous scum: [pending further posts] To which is commented: On June 04 2016 09:21 Tumblewood wrote: if asked to defend any of my reads right now I will only respond by saying "feels" So now that we've framed the context of the first post, I think that there are two ways of interpreting it: 1) He is protecting QT-pie 2) He's calling a bad play a bad play From the previous context, I would think former, but reading the following posts I think the ladder: On June 04 2016 10:47 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 10:29 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:02 blkcoffee wrote:On June 04 2016 08:59 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote:If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games. I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads. For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed? I explained this partially but I will explain to those who may not understand the intricacies of this. Sup is trying to look like he is town. So either he is playing some really fantastic head games with people and he wants people to vote him to see who picks up on his scummy behavior and votes Obvscum OR he is just really bad Scum who is trying to look like they are scum hunting in the most obvious straightforward way possible. I don't think he is so dumb that he could legit be Town trying to scum hunt, but at this point I can't rule that out I guess. Do you think that town should try to look townie and eliminate themselves from the lynch pool. No. what but why it's in town's best interest to look townie (except to dodge nightkills) so town doesn't waste a lynch on them On June 04 2016 11:31 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 11:24 QuickTwist wrote: OK, so here's why I think Jealous is Town.
He's smart. He knows being overly confident in his reads helps town. He has been pushing scummy behavior namely, me. He is paying really close attention to the game and what people say and jumping on anything the looks like it could get traction. He's pushing his agenda and trying to be very correct.
For that reason I think he would make a really bad lynch today. his scumreads are founded in a mountain of evidence, but that evidence does not make anyone scum. I don't see how you can refute his reads as misled but then call them good and townie all of a sudden. townread suspended On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote: ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2 or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time. In my mind, it seems that there is some sort of triangle between QT-pie, tumble and Jealsus. At first I was thinking that QT/tumble could be a pair, but "6/10" lynch is pretty strong against that, although maybe tumble doesn't think the QT vote will go through so he doesn't have to push it? Jealsus/QT-pie: there are 3 options: 1) both town, 2) town and maf 3) both maf. I think that 3) is pretty unlikely, seems like such a ballsy play to carry out those shenanigans. I think that 2) is more likely than 1). Jealsus/tumble: I think it's fairly well summarized from the post above: "ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills". Also: "Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment" So from this, I find that Jealous is a common thread in all of this, so I would be interested in hearing why he isn't maf, or what he is trying to accomplish aside from generating pages of noise against QT-pie. My towny read on QT still stands, and I think that tumble has shown some decent thought, so I think that I'm leaning town on him as well. Therefore, my maf read sits with Jealous since I want to see how these 3 players unravel. has QT in a possible scum pair Show nested quote +On June 05 2016 00:37 emperorchampion wrote:On June 04 2016 23:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 04 2016 12:01 Tumblewood wrote: going to take a break until I inevitably get bored and come back playing this game is just not fun for me right now because the only two active players are on (what I see as) the wrong track and set in it. feels like I'm talking to a brick wall. Talk to me buddy. Does Quicktwist and Jealous feel like two townies caught in an argument against each other and refusing to back down due to pride or is one of them Mafia? For some reason I keep getting hints of the second even though it really looks like the first. QT v Jealous has obviously dominated the first few pages so far. I've been thinking similarly, but that there is a third option as well --- I'm not sure how likely that is though. Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 03:03 emperorchampion wrote: I think that Skynx could be scum, not really sure on the rest since I haven't looked too much into it due to not having too much time atm. Superbia / Tictock seem town.
Fecalfeast / scott not really sure. Seems like a mafia move to push an afk tho, so I don't know what it accomplishes. I think my vote has to go into tumble / QT / Jealous to figure this out. keeps QT in his lynch circle even though he was leaning more toward jealous as scum out of QT/jealous Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 02:53 emperorchampion wrote: OK so I think I'm caught up.
Am I crazy for thinking that Tumble / QT are a mafia pair given the last two pages? QT/tumble mafia pair mentioned Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 05:34 emperorchampion wrote: I don't think too much has been said in the last few pages to sway my opinion on voting QT. What I'm thinking is that if QT is town, tumble is probably town and jealous is maf. And if QT if maf, tumble is probably maf, jealous is town.
kush is a bit of a toss up, his filter is pretty empty but maybe he has an excuse? The plynch seems a little off to me.
This, among other posts also suggests that emperor should have been pushing jealous a lot more today rather than just being complacent with the thread direction. so my questions for emperor: What do you read Jealous as? Who do you want to kill and why? Why was it so hard for you to make a solid read on QT while talking about him so often?
1) I think it's highly unlikely that Jealous is maf. This is based off of N1/D2. So townlean.
2) Kill today: #1 kush #2 scott. My vote lies with scott for now since I am hoping he will come and answer some questions that I have
3) Because he posted so much bullshit
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On June 09 2016 05:03 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 05:01 MoosyDoosy wrote: So Skynx, let me get this straight. You scum read kush? Are you reading the thread at all? Check votes, check my reads, my filter is clear about what I think of people. I mean, that's the issue. These are the only mentions/kind of mentions of kush I can find in your filter.
On June 09 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote: Many people are sr'ing kush who is on my list. Almost no one is talking about TT who's my other sr altho he made some sense lately. So I'm suggesting people clarify their reads so we can pick a common target.
On June 09 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote: To further elaborate, there is no way I'm wasting my vote on a coin-flip today.
On June 09 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote: Anyway kush please show some defence man i feel like no one is even trying this game...
On June 07 2016 23:48 Skynx wrote: My T>S meter
Most Town emperor: reads on everything, has his own opinion, insightul for a non-vet, generally active Jealous: Prolly most active, no way he's a good target after QT.
[orange]Midway[/orange[ Super: 9 pages filter wtf, mostly one liners, sr's me without basis, bandwagony. Scott: There is the whole didn't get my role pm thing, inactive otherwise
Scummy Ticktock: Pressures me D1, changes opinion just before lynch, useless arguing about shennanie which leads to nothing, very vague reads on last few posts. In the end, try-hard to not take any pressure on himself. kush: Acts like this godly figure over the whole game but actual contributions are very small. Mostly arguing with everyone about how QT was bad lynch, teaching Jealous how to play mafia, tryin to find town leader. Gives no clear reads, mostly commenting on others reads. Again professional at acting natural and avoiding pressure.
Null: Moosy is unreadable do to the nature of his posts btdt with some good some bad posts but kinda inactive, I can't rly read him blk is gone.
One list of reads that says kush is scum. Others are soft pushes. You say that others are scum reading kush like you so we should vote him and you say you don't want to waste your vote. The only other real mention of kush is asking him to defend. Overall it seems you're not confident in the kush push which is why I was asking if you thought kush was scum in order to make sure I got it right.
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Meh, I don't know who to vote for. Should we just lynch kush and if he flips town kill Skynx?
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On June 09 2016 05:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 05:03 Skynx wrote:On June 09 2016 05:01 MoosyDoosy wrote: So Skynx, let me get this straight. You scum read kush? Are you reading the thread at all? Check votes, check my reads, my filter is clear about what I think of people. I mean, that's the issue. These are the only mentions/kind of mentions of kush I can find in your filter. Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote: Many people are sr'ing kush who is on my list. Almost no one is talking about TT who's my other sr altho he made some sense lately. So I'm suggesting people clarify their reads so we can pick a common target. Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote: To further elaborate, there is no way I'm wasting my vote on a coin-flip today. Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote: Anyway kush please show some defence man i feel like no one is even trying this game... Show nested quote +On June 07 2016 23:48 Skynx wrote: My T>S meter
Most Town emperor: reads on everything, has his own opinion, insightul for a non-vet, generally active Jealous: Prolly most active, no way he's a good target after QT.
[orange]Midway[/orange[ Super: 9 pages filter wtf, mostly one liners, sr's me without basis, bandwagony. Scott: There is the whole didn't get my role pm thing, inactive otherwise
Scummy Ticktock: Pressures me D1, changes opinion just before lynch, useless arguing about shennanie which leads to nothing, very vague reads on last few posts. In the end, try-hard to not take any pressure on himself. kush: Acts like this godly figure over the whole game but actual contributions are very small. Mostly arguing with everyone about how QT was bad lynch, teaching Jealous how to play mafia, tryin to find town leader. Gives no clear reads, mostly commenting on others reads. Again professional at acting natural and avoiding pressure.
Null: Moosy is unreadable do to the nature of his posts btdt with some good some bad posts but kinda inactive, I can't rly read him blk is gone.
One list of reads that says kush is scum. Others are soft pushes. You say that others are scum reading kush like you so we should vote him and you say you don't want to waste your vote. The only other real mention of kush is asking him to defend. Overall it seems you're not confident in the kush push which is why I was asking if you thought kush was scum in order to make sure I got it right. Fair, I was just getting frustrated. The reason i wasn't confident on vote was cuz there was a lot of time til eod and i thought people would post more content. Today was totally useless and we got no distance covered so gotta keep my original thoughts. Kush is most scummy for his townlist and all that other jazz.
I rly gtg now, happy lynches ppl.
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The thing is I don't really want to lynch kush. Some of the things he said were absolutely correct. I'd prefer a lynch out of emperorchampion or Skynx.
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I had my theory I tested my theory. Turns out he was town. Same for you I suppose.
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Ok, wasn't sure how I wanted to do this... I'm gunna try and just keep it simple.
I've prepared a few questions for everyone, they might be a little strange but if you could humor me. This is for science.
1) Emperorchampion - How difficult is this game for you? Is it easier or harder than you expected? Is there anybody who has a style of play that you admire or enjoy? 2) Skynx - Assume you got Vig shot right this moment (eliminated from the game)... What is the first thing you would do? Both Kush and me flip scum, how might you start looking for the last scum? 4) Scott31337 - What do you like to do to develop reads? What is your opinion of the current atmosphere of the game? Disregarding low activity, who is your weakest read? 5) blkcoffee - 6) Jealous - How is the return to TL Mafia going? You suggested that you enjoy having a role with some power, have you ever played in a game where everyone has some role/ability? If not, does it sound appealing? 1) beentheredonethat - How do you feel about your play so far this game compared to past games? How confident do you feel in your reads right now? 3) MooooooosyDooooosy - Scale of 1-5 how much fun are you having in this game? Does it compare to any recent games? Assume you are able to make some very game influential move before you die, would you prefer to clinch the game near LyLo or secure an early lead? 4) nnn_thekushmountians - What has gone right this game? What has gone wrong? How should we learn from our mistakes rather than make them again? 5) Superbia - Where do you get your drive from? What gets you motivated? What needs cultivating right now? 6) FecalFeast - What do you cling to? What right now is most disturbing or upsetting to you? Is it important to keep our first impressions or should we always be letting the waves of information influence us?
This took a surprisingly long time... Was hoping to have it finished last night, but I was too tired after GSL.
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On June 09 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote: Ok, wasn't sure how I wanted to do this... I'm gunna try and just keep it simple.
I've prepared a few questions for everyone, they might be a little strange but if you could humor me. This is for science.
1) Emperorchampion - How difficult is this game for you? Is it easier or harder than you expected? Is there anybody who has a style of play that you admire or enjoy? 2) Skynx - Assume you got Vig shot right this moment (eliminated from the game)... What is the first thing you would do? Both Kush and me flip scum, how might you start looking for the last scum? 4) Scott31337 - What do you like to do to develop reads? What is your opinion of the current atmosphere of the game? Disregarding low activity, who is your weakest read? 5) blkcoffee - 6) Jealous - How is the return to TL Mafia going? You suggested that you enjoy having a role with some power, have you ever played in a game where everyone has some role/ability? If not, does it sound appealing? 1) beentheredonethat - How do you feel about your play so far this game compared to past games? How confident do you feel in your reads right now? 3) MooooooosyDooooosy - Scale of 1-5 how much fun are you having in this game? Does it compare to any recent games? Assume you are able to make some very game influential move before you die, would you prefer to clinch the game near LyLo or secure an early lead? 4) nnn_thekushmountians - What has gone right this game? What has gone wrong? How should we learn from our mistakes rather than make them again? 5) Superbia - Where do you get your drive from? What gets you motivated? What needs cultivating right now? 6) FecalFeast - What do you cling to? What right now is most disturbing or upsetting to you? Is it important to keep our first impressions or should we always be letting the waves of information influence us?
This took a surprisingly long time... Was hoping to have it finished last night, but I was too tired after GSL.
Easy for me, Moosy and super for showing me this game can be fun instead of stressful lol (although that was day 1 moosy ).
I mean, it seems pretty difficult right now haha
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On June 09 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:3) MooooooosyDooooosy - Scale of 1-5 how much fun are you having in this game? Does it compare to any recent games? Assume you are able to make some very game influential move before you die, would you prefer to clinch the game near LyLo or secure an early lead? Scale of 1-5 with 5 being the most fun I would be at a 2 right now. It would be fine if I knew what I was doing but I really don't. Not to mention there's no reliable town buddy to ping my thoughts off of. Recent games? Actually, there was one in the past where I had no idea what was happening and town pulled through. Might take a look at what happened in that game to pull us through. And I'd definitely prefer securing an early lead. That's the whole basis of my gambit and D1 style of play. Clinching the game near lylo makes me too stressed.
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On June 09 2016 04:38 Skynx wrote: I'm not too happy switching to Scott he's super afk yeah but I really think we need to kill a big target today. Scott can be left for later on.
What do you mean by a big target?
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On June 09 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote: 6) Jealous - How is the return to TL Mafia going? You suggested that you enjoy having a role with some power, have you ever played in a game where everyone has some role/ability? If not, does it sound appealing? It's incredibly different and incredibly difficult. The game is nothing like it was 2008, or at least like those first few were. As a result, neither are the conversations nor the reads. I would have to say I'm struggling pretty damn hard. In the past you could easily justify your case against someone and have solid ground to push on, and thus votes and flips were more pivotal. Also, PMs were allowed, if I recall correctly. If there was someone you were certain was town or a blue PR, you could test them via PM. You could also PM people you trusted if you had a PR. For example, if a detective finds out someone is town or medic, they can coordinate privately, thus using their roles more effectively. In short, this is a completely different monster. I hope that the game gets easier as we get more votes/flips, but as of right now I'm pretty lost.
In my past two games I was bodyguard and mafia respectively, so I was going off experience here. I feel that it gives added depth to the game because you can make decisions that affect the game behind the curtains and without people knowing who made those actions. However, as I mentioned in the post you are referring to, I was scared to jump into a PR and potentially fuck up really badly. I screwed up pretty hard as mafia in my second game if memory serves correct (might not be as obvious in the filter but I remember Ace or MTF or whoever was mafia yelling at me). That stuck in my mind. My bad read on QT is further evidence of that, as well as 2 or 3 slip-ups on simple things like what VT stands for and briefly pursuing something from the host's Night post. I'm content with my role.
I don't think I've ever played in a game like that. Would I want to? I think it would definitely be interesting, but also a lot more convoluted and high-stakes. It would depend on what the rules and roles are.
By the way, I enjoyed your questions posted, I thought that some of them were very poignant.
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Vote Count Day 2
nnn_thekushmountains (3): Superbia, Skynx, Tictock emporerchampion (2): MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast Skynx (1): nnn_thekushmountains beentheredonethat (0): Fecalfeast Scott31337 (1): emperorchampion
Not-voting: Scott31337, blkcoffee, Jealous, beentheredonethat,
Currently, nnn_thekushmountains, All votes must be casted in the voting thread here: Link. Day 2 ends in
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Wow 2 people answered my questions already.
Thanks guys!
Having caught up... I think the lack of defense and more importantly the lack of anything from Kush means I'm ok with him being the lynch. I know he posted that he was gunna be low effort in pre-game, but this is like no-effort.
I'm kinda feeling like Emp and Skynx are bad lynches today kus they are actually contributing at a fairly consistant level. Still unsure about Skynx though with this recent "lets kill big targets and not scott!" "Big targets are people like scott, BtDt..."
I'm liking Jealous less, partially just for contributing a lot less today. Mostly because he made a big deal about our Shennanies D1 and today has basically refused to discuss reads. The 180 there doesn't track very well for me because he's going against what was apparently his idea of how the game should be played.
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Moosy, who would be your 2nd pick to lynch after Emp?
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On June 09 2016 05:47 Tictock wrote: Wow 2 people answered my questions already.
Thanks guys!
Having caught up... I think the lack of defense and more importantly the lack of anything from Kush means I'm ok with him being the lynch. I know he posted that he was gunna be low effort in pre-game, but this is like no-effort.
I'm kinda feeling like Emp and Skynx are bad lynches today kus they are actually contributing at a fairly consistant level. Still unsure about Skynx though with this recent "lets kill big targets and not scott!" "Big targets are people like scott, BtDt..."
I'm liking Jealous less, partially just for contributing a lot less today. Mostly because he made a big deal about our Shennanies D1 and today has basically refused to discuss reads. The 180 there doesn't track very well for me because he's going against what was apparently his idea of how the game should be played.
3 I think!
How did you come up with the questions? Are you a camp counselor Seems like a good idea for a newbie game!
I think Jealous has a huge dump (heh) waiting for us
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I'll discuss more regarding those questions when most people have answered them. Since I didn't get to post them last night when I wanted I'm not going to try and weigh stuff from them into todays lynch.
+ Show Spoiler +Not even 100% sure I know what I'm doing with them either. Just trying something new... well new-ish.
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On June 09 2016 05:47 Tictock wrote: Moosy, who would be your 2nd pick to lynch after Emp? skynx
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