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Dav1oN
Ukraine3163 Posts
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OrangeGarage
Korea (South)319 Posts
I think we all agree on one thing- that SC2 needs more viewership. What we are split on is 'more skill' vs 'hometown heroes' which will boost ratings? Will ratings ever boost? | ||
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EatingBomber
1017 Posts
On December 19 2015 03:10 Doodsmack wrote: Are you consciously trying to come off as a douchebag? Getting tough on pros when you see them post on TL? LOL I always find it funny that people get some power kick out of "confronting" pros posting on TL. Apparently it makes you feel influential. Awww, someone's mad I pointed out the hypocrisy of a pro speaking negatively about Brood Lord-Infestor while himself being a prime beneficiary of it. Don't worry; keep being mad and staying the sensitive snowflake that you are. | ||
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
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Atreides
United States2393 Posts
Thing is people act like it is one reason or the other, but the reasons I stopped watching were actually both the things mentioned. Game was bad/boring, and lack of competitive foreigners. Funny enough, I stopped playing because I lost interest in the pro scene not the other way around. I have nothing against Koreans, I have watched a LOT of GSL. Because I am in Alaska (Games start at ~midnight) and my work schedule most of the year it fit into my life a lot better than most Americans. Also I was invested enough in SC2 that the paywalls for vods were never a problem/issue for me. I liked watching Koreans, I liked watching even better when there was 1 or 2 foreigners there and I definitely cheered for them, but I appreciated watching the best players play. I also though Koreans coming to foreign tournaments made them better, but in the first half of Wings of Liberty pre-KeSPA they (foreigners) were competitive! Obviously even then the Koreans were better by far overall but you got to see upsets fairly often. Also, despite the fact that race complaints are ALWAYS present there was a fair amount of representaion for each race in most tourneys in the early years, Now to present time, I had zero interest in LotV to be honest (dead game I thought) until a friend (who doesn't play multiplayer, never followed the scene, and I am sure has never even watched a single pro match, correspondingly hes abysmal at the game but that doesnt really matter he is super super casual) got me to buy the game because he wanted to try co-op missions with someone. Well I played some campaign, got slightly interested and just for the hell of it clicked find match on a 1v1. Went WTF I HAVE 12 SCVs, proceeded to make some rax pull some scvs and marine scv some poor sap who went 3 hatch before pool just like I would have in the old days. Not going to lie, felt good. Wanted to see what real builds were so started watching a few SC2 streams here and there when no DOTA2 I wanted to watch was on. Then I randomly got twitter update in email that had an Artosis tweet about GSL so I watched it. In fact I watched all the GSL this week every game live and enjoyed it quite a lot. Tastosis was as good as ever and it was pretty good. So then I watched some of HomeStoryCup. Frankly the stuff I watched was pretty bad lol. Now partly here though I knew very, very few of the players because I have not kept up on the scene and not many of the same names. I was super happy to watch DeMuslim play although I had to take the caster couch's word for it that he was the underdog etc etc. Overall the games in the first group stage were very inferior to the GSL pre season tourney and I am pretty sure anyone would think that? Which is the obvious criticism of this region lock. So all of that to say, I am hopeful that this region lock will work and improve the available stories in the pro-scene. I am willing to give up quality of games for that potentially. Will happily watch Koreans play in Korea, and foreigners play "worse" games in their tourneys if it provides an infrastructure that will allow SOME foreigners to improve and rise to the top. If it does not do that and is a total failure I am sure it will be changed but tbh if it fails that utterly I will probably have lost interest in the game again by then anyways.  For people acting like this could never ever happen, I guess I would point to DOTA as an example. There was a time when China dominated DOTA1 almost to the Korean SC level. It has taken a lot of time but for a variety of reasons the Western scene is now pretty much unarguably stronger than china and has certainly been competitive for some time. I think several of those reasons could be applicable to SC2 eventually and that the ability to make a living playing the game for foreigners is a HUGE one.For the first time in years I am interested in playing and watching SC2 (to the point where I am considering spending a shitton of money to get decent internet to my home in the boondocks so I can actually play) and the region locking definitely is part of what gives me hope that it is worth trying to follow the scene again. Nerchio's point early in the thread is DEFINITELY true by the way, that the people who loyally followed SC2 through HotS and are active on TL are NOT the viewers and playerbase that they are trying to gain back and it is totally unsurprising that many of them are opposed to it. Damn, I basically wrote a blog. Oh well. FWIW | ||
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SamuelGreen
Sweden292 Posts
On December 19 2015 14:48 EatingBomber wrote: Awww, someone's mad I pointed out the hypocrisy of a pro speaking negatively about Brood Lord-Infestor while himself being a prime beneficiary of it. Don't worry; keep being mad and staying the sensitive snowflake that you are. You can use something that is op (specially If its the only good option) and still critizise it. That is not what constitutes hypocrisy, mister. Also You do Come off as a jerk, it has nothing to do with us being sensitive. | ||
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mCon.Hephaistas
Netherlands891 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
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wishr
Russian Federation262 Posts
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
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caznitch
Canada645 Posts
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Antonidas
United States105 Posts
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Antonidas
United States105 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15075 Posts
This data comes from 40 players from the 8 KeSPA-registered corporation founded professional teams that have finalized their official contracts as of right now, December 2015 (KT, Samsung, SKT, CJ, Jin Air, NaJin, Longzhu, Tigers) and 25 players from 5 StarCraft II teams (KT, Samsung, SKT, CJ, Jin Air). The published data also excludes the players’ personal streaming incomes, performance bonuses (“incentives”), and prize money, and there may be a few changes to a few figures once a few more signings take place prior to the opening of the 2016 season. The actual average salary is $57,717 for League of Legends and $39,106 for StarCraft II. There are 10 players in League of Legends who receive a salary of over $85,229. Additionally, when taking into consideration the amount of income from the players’ respective streaming activities, performance bonuses, and prize money which have already been provided by the association to the players for 2015, the average salary for KeSPA registered corporation founded professional eSports players is estimated to be $68,189 for League of Legends and over $42,604 for StarCraft II players. Quite interesting that there isn't a single SC2 with above 85k salary. I'm sure Flash would have had, but I would have thought a couple others would have too. I imagine the other teams don't pay so well though. | ||
munch
Mute City2363 Posts
On December 24 2015 13:49 Phredxor wrote: Not really related to this, but I just saw something about pay for Korean KeSPA players Quite interesting that there isn't a single SC2 with above 85k salary. I'm sure Flash would have had, but I would have thought a couple others would have too. I imagine the other teams don't pay so well though. KeSPA claimed that this data is an inaccurate representation though; they're releasing their data soon | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15075 Posts
On December 24 2015 14:01 thecrazymunchkin wrote: KeSPA claimed that this data is an inaccurate representation though; they're releasing their data soon Ah yeah, just saw that myself. My bad :D | ||
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bduddy
United States1326 Posts
On December 24 2015 14:01 thecrazymunchkin wrote: That is KeSPA's data. The one they claimed was inaccurate was from a couple days ago. And I find it very informative that they left out the 2 poorest teams, and obviously some players, too, if they only got 25 players from 5 teams...KeSPA claimed that this data is an inaccurate representation though; they're releasing their data soon | ||
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munch
Mute City2363 Posts
On December 24 2015 15:01 bduddy wrote: That is KeSPA's data. The one they claimed was inaccurate was from a couple days ago. And I find it very informative that they left out the 2 poorest teams, and obviously some players, too, if they only got 25 players from 5 teams... Oh my bad, didn't see that they'd released already | ||
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ZackAttack
United States884 Posts
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