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On December 27 2015 12:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 12:35 rsoultin wrote:
As for tt, idk. The scumreads seem rather lazy. smurf thing is an ick reason but his ness scumread is focusing on scummy things i guess even if i disagree that scum posts so blatantly scummy. he could believe it maybe? The kush thing is basically at best him not reading the thread properly -- it was pointed out by HF already that kush outed his smurf in another thread, there is absolutely nothing scummy in it. Ness' play looks more like he (she?) just doesn't know who is scum and isn't overplaying anything. I don't know where the "he doesn't follow up on his questions" comes from because basically noone ever answered him in the first place....... It just doesn't make any sense to scumread Ness here, it would make sense to not townread him -- but scumread is definitely not a legit read, at least for those reasons imo.
Nh i was looking mostly at the bolded sections of the quoted posts. and yeah the kush smurf read is ick. Idk could be. Could lynch but i cant say that im fully convinced hes scum
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On December 27 2015 12:48 N e s s wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta. its bad to go off of meta.
Any particular reason why or is this just "muck feta" rhetoric?
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On December 27 2015 12:48 N e s s wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta. its bad to go off of meta.
Lol im just gonna call you town <3 for the day
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On December 27 2015 12:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 12:48 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta. its bad to go off of meta. Lol im just gonna call you town <3 for the day
Because?
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On December 27 2015 12:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 12:50 rsoultin wrote:On December 27 2015 12:48 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta. its bad to go off of meta. Lol im just gonna call you town <3 for the day Because?
Uber cuteness ^^
Its more just that hes a new fish in a big pond with suspicion on him already but still is unafraid to post and contradict ppl. i dont see him being this relaxed as scum in a new environment and its enough to townread him for the day and focus on others i think
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On December 27 2015 12:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 12:48 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta. its bad to go off of meta. Lol im just gonna call you town <3 for the day
...where did this come from?
I said its bad to go off of meta, i made it clear to you but i don't know why you said what you said?
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Alrighty! So, heres my defense.
First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum.
Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two:
Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on.
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7
At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything.
You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time.
but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all.
...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this-
Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads?
Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose.
Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.
On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious.
If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for.
this. this rubs me the wrong way.
1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it?
2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me?
3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical.
1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?
2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?
3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square?
Smh answered those first 2 already.
but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest.
But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all.
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On December 27 2015 12:48 N e s s wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta. its bad to go off of meta.
It's not. And i don't even consider him 100% town. It was just to express -- based on rotoky's read, that if you do go off by meta, as he did, he should come to another conclusion.
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Caught up tothe thread yet ows? Youre spinning your wheels it looks like
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On December 27 2015 12:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 12:48 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta. its bad to go off of meta. It's not. And i don't even consider him 100% town. It was just to express -- based on rotoky's read, that if you do go off by meta, as he did, he should come to another conclusion.
Well, it kinda is. You don't know when or how a person thinks. So going off of their experience isn't very smart.
What if he's changed his play style?
But i haven't played any other games with any of you, so i'm going to go ahead and assume that your logic of him being town isn't bad, but it shouldn't be relied on.
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On December 27 2015 13:01 N e s s wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 12:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 12:48 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta. its bad to go off of meta. It's not. And i don't even consider him 100% town. It was just to express -- based on rotoky's read, that if you do go off by meta, as he did, he should come to another conclusion. Well, it kinda is. You don't know when or how a person thinks. So going off of their experience isn't very smart. What if he's changed his play style? But i haven't played any other games with any of you, so i'm going to go ahead and assume that your logic of him being town isn't bad, but it shouldn't be relied on.
Well here is where we disagree..
And it's probably because we have a different definition of what "meta" means.
But let's not argue about this since it is pointless. I can 100% tell i am not going to lynch anyone based on meta, only for what they do / do not do.
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On December 27 2015 13:01 rsoultin wrote:
Caught up tothe thread yet ows? Youre spinning your wheels it looks like
Nope. I've read like two pages and won't be up-to-date until later.
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On December 27 2015 13:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 13:01 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 12:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 12:48 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta. its bad to go off of meta. It's not. And i don't even consider him 100% town. It was just to express -- based on rotoky's read, that if you do go off by meta, as he did, he should come to another conclusion. Well, it kinda is. You don't know when or how a person thinks. So going off of their experience isn't very smart. What if he's changed his play style? But i haven't played any other games with any of you, so i'm going to go ahead and assume that your logic of him being town isn't bad, but it shouldn't be relied on. Well here is where we disagree.. And it's probably because we have a different definition of what "meta" means. But let's not argue about this since it is pointless. I can 100% tell i am not going to lynch anyone based on meta, only for what they do / do not do.
Meta means mafia game experience/behaveior traits as mafia/town.
Yeah i wasn't going to argue with you regardless, but i am curious, who do you think is scum at this point?
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Rayn is town.
I kind of want to call Ness town as well, for his giant in-depth defense post.
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On December 27 2015 13:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rayn is town.
I kind of want to call Ness town as well, for his giant in-depth defense post.
lol get used to that, when i make a defense its usually giant
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On December 27 2015 13:06 N e s s wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 13:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 13:01 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 12:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 12:48 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta. its bad to go off of meta. It's not. And i don't even consider him 100% town. It was just to express -- based on rotoky's read, that if you do go off by meta, as he did, he should come to another conclusion. Well, it kinda is. You don't know when or how a person thinks. So going off of their experience isn't very smart. What if he's changed his play style? But i haven't played any other games with any of you, so i'm going to go ahead and assume that your logic of him being town isn't bad, but it shouldn't be relied on. Well here is where we disagree.. And it's probably because we have a different definition of what "meta" means. But let's not argue about this since it is pointless. I can 100% tell i am not going to lynch anyone based on meta, only for what they do / do not do. Meta means mafia game experience/behaveior traits as mafia/town. Yeah i wasn't going to argue with you regardless, but i am curious, who do you think is scum at this point?
TT, Vivax, kushmasta maybe (i dont remember his scumr name anymore, noomanoomasomething).
Have you even read my posts at all?  I think i have been quite clear in what i think.
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everyone is like "put the baby in the snow and take a million pictures of baby's first snow"
meanwhile i am having panic attacks not wanting kid to get a cold. rip working in medicine
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+ Show Spoiler [N E S S post] +On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote:Alrighty! So, heres my defense. First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum. Show nested quote +Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two: Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on. http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7Show nested quote +At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything. You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time. Show nested quote +but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all. ...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this- Show nested quote +Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads? Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose. Show nested quote +Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.
On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious. Show nested quote +If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for. this. this rubs me the wrong way. 1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical. Show nested quote +1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?
2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?
3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square? Smh answered those first 2 already. but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest. But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all.
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I like these responses. No further questions your honor.
To answer some of your queries though, I mentioned MoosyDoosy because you had bolded 4 questions but seemed concerned about why people were voting Moosy (game relevant information), I would have thought that question would have been a 5th bolded question since it was game relevant and not an afterthought in one of your bolded questions or later.
Also at the time there were no answers to it you just said you use the information later and I couldn't see how you would use the colour of someone's choice over the game relevant information. And while yes your first two questions were "analytical" they were questions that anybody could ask and weren't showing insight into information that had popped up.
GB can you elaborate on why you refuse to want to lynch Vivax? He has dodged every situation and game relevant scenario to do nothing and somehow that makes you not want to lynch him, the player who doesn't really play as mafia?
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