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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On October 23 2015 00:39 Rels wrote: GB can you check FF's read of BF progression ? Why did he drop it like that ? Did BF post something between the scumread and the drop ? If you don't have time I'll do it tonight. I'm phone posting now. I may have time later. Anyway I don't remember his interactions with boxerfred... | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
Day 2 Vote Count Eversince (2): MoosyDoosy, FarahBlackwing, MoosyDoosy (2): GlowingBear, boxerfred, sicklucker (2): Rels, Fecalfeast (1): Vonthin Vonthin (1): GlowingBear (0): The Shining (0): Rels (0): Not voted (2): Eversince, The Shining Currently, Eversince is set to be lynched. Day 2 ends at Thursday, Oct 22 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in . Voting is mandatory! Voting is done here in this thread. PM the hosts if the vote count is not correct. | ||
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Eversince
Philippines2297 Posts
I'm going back to my Moosy vote. He's done jack all today STILL. So just look at what I posted about him before for reasoning here. He's the best lynch. ##vote: MoosyDoosy I'll be around in 30-45 minutes | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On October 21 2015 12:55 Vonthin wrote: Anyways I'm off to bed and should have some time to post tomorrow morning before my classes start and will 100% be here late afternoon and evening. 38 hours ago. On October 19 2015 20:18 boxerfred wrote: wait, you lost me halfway. I thought he was talking about "fuck me im again vt" comment. gonna reread. 30 hours ago. On October 22 2015 04:14 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'm actually considering trying to flip ever here, I really wish vig would of shot him... ##vote ever since 22 hours ago. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On October 23 2015 02:02 Blazinghand wrote: LF 1 replacement for student mafia XVI This time I checked the fucking replacement thread at least. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On October 23 2015 02:16 Rels wrote: Something is wrong with this game. Yes. Too many townies not trying. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
Day 2 Vote Count MoosyDoosy (3): GlowingBear, boxerfred, Eversince (2): MoosyDoosy, FarahBlackwing, sicklucker (2): Rels, Fecalfeast (1): Vonthin Vonthin (1): GlowingBear (0): The Shining (0): Rels (0): Not voted (1): The Shining Currently, MoosyDoosy is set to be lynched. Day 2 ends at Thursday, Oct 22 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in . Voting is mandatory! Voting is done here in this thread. PM the hosts if the vote count is not correct. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On October 23 2015 02:19 Rels wrote: This time I checked the fucking replacement thread at least. It was when Moosy first disappeared. I thought he was going to be replaced. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On October 23 2015 02:21 GlowingBear wrote: It was when Moosy first disappeared. I thought he was going to be replaced. No it was 17 minutes ago. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
Oh, again. I think it's not that important, tho. Like, I'm really comfortable with lynching Moosy. He voted with his main scumread on day1, he's been useless, he was also Kelsier's scum read and Kelsier is dead. I have plenty of reasons to lynch him today. Atrocious play like that can't be forgiven. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
##Unvote ##Vote MoosyDoosy Will switch to Vonthin if he isn't the one being replaced. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
Let's bounce some ideas. Who are you townreading at the moment or at least you have seen town traits? | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
I have inconsistent reads as town because i base everything on how I'm feeling at the time. Town/scumreading someone once should not affect my ability to change or reevaluate. Make a moosy case and I'll sheep it | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
1. In his almost only big post, he put BF as one of his two scumreads, the other one being GB. + Show Spoiler + On October 21 2015 11:48 Fecalfeast wrote: The game where you got lynched day 1 your posts were nothing like in this game. You didn't mkae a single list post in http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/430766-newbie-mini-mafia-xlix?user=Vonthin which honestly if I compare to this game you have been doing a lot better. but in this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/433102-newbie-mini-mafia-l?user=Vonthin&view=all you do. OK by meta reasons I change my read on vonthin ##unvote question Vonthin: How is GB doing a good job 'leading town' as you say in your most recent list post? If GB is leading town, there are 3 town dead day 2, he is doing a good job? You even note something scummy he did in your read of him but call him town. Boxer's first game was a scumgame and he survived til endgame with a fairly short filter (11 pages including pre and post game for a 5 day game) and his filter d1 was a mere 2 pages. Not to mention, his filter this game is all over the place. He wants to kill lonemeow, no he wants to kill moose, no he wants to kill scott At first I had BF as town just for playing the game but his first game as scum he was making big posts with reads and questions so the fact that he is doing such this game is nai. Scumlean on boxer. boxer: Look at vonthin's other games linked in this post and tell me what you think afterward. Now that I give glowingbear's filter a good read, I think he could be scum. His buddying up to kelsier after realizing that kelsier was going hard on scott is really scummy to me. + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2015 21:32 GlowingBear wrote: Dude, Kelsier, I've been trying to play a good game with you but you insist with this. I have a history of doing "stupid stunts" for some people, but I am playing a very straight forward game since the last one. So IF you're town, actually read my list instead of just saying it's classic GB with illogical reads, because they are far from illogical. If you have actually read it you would realise I was commenting ONLY on people that had posted, so point (A) doesn't make sense. Point (B): it's a post where I share my vision of what has been posted so far and I ask players to bounce their reads on it. You see, I've seen a lot of alignment indicstive behaviours - which you fail to realise/discuss just to base a read on a joke phase. And the joke phase wasn't even that long. I started playing the exact moment the game started, and you should see it if you actually read my filter. If you're town, please, play the game. If not, die. ##Vote: KelsierSC On October 18 2015 22:53 GlowingBear wrote: Oh okay! Now I'm convinced On October 18 2015 23:03 GlowingBear wrote: Who is mafia with scott, Kelsier? Which, I'll admit seemed to me like it was sarcastic, especially when followed with Which would be odd since he just got convinced that someone is scum. Rather than expound on what he means by this, he posts some fluff and a while later this So he's convinced by kelsier that scott is scum but would rather vote elsewhere (myself[town] and sciklucker[I think town]) and explicitly says he doesn't want to vote eversince. SO HE MOVES HIS VOTE OFF THE WAGONS AFTER SAYING HE WANTS TO VOTE SL AND I FOR VOTING OFF WAGON? AND THEN CHANGES VOTES FROM SL (off-wagon) TO EVERSINCE His entire reason for voting eversince over scott seems to be that I am scum trying to save eversince but wait So he gets drunk and comes to thread to revert his read on me. So, coupled with the fact that kelsier died who was calling GB out a lot, which isn't much on its own because kelsier was super towny anyway, I think GB is a good shot at scum today. ##vote glowingbear Town: farah rels sicklucker vonthin scum gb boxerfred will be looking into moose, shining and eversince next. I am leaning scum on eversince just because it seemed really weird that GB would pop his vote on her after saying he would never do so, but only after scott was clearly in the lead to die On October 21 2015 11:48 Fecalfeast wrote: Town: farah rels sicklucker vonthin scum gb boxerfred He also asks BF to do one thing: On October 21 2015 11:48 Fecalfeast wrote: boxer: Look at vonthin's other games linked in this post and tell me what you think afterward. 2. Boxer has made 3 posts after that. In his posts he promised to answer FF's question and didn't, and put suspicions on FF. + Show Spoiler + On October 21 2015 19:52 boxerfred wrote: I like Vonthin's response to my questions, I dislike that he scumreads me. He's not the lynch for today though imho. Let me bring his scum read on me up: I think you refer to one big, seemingly confusing post only and this is a post that is built up quite logically: I caught up, and while I was catching up, I quoted posts that I deemed interesting. I even said that on top of that post. Go have a re-read of that post. Regarding my Moosy read: I contradicted myself in that read. I was wrong, that's about it. That's why I later said that it was bullshit. I also refrained from my Moosy scumread although it really bothers me that he's not around. So no, I have not continued pushing Moosy, you're misrepresenting the facts. However I still do not have a townread Moosy, although I liked his posts N1 a bit. Third, regarding the "I just skimmed" case - it was simply honest, sorry if that makes me look bad. Read into that whatever you want, I don't care. ____________ I'm wondering why Farah pushes a MD lynch since her case on ES was/is good. Why the preference now that MD apparently isn't here? Also why that townread on Shining? I don't get the "emotional" argument at all, one can fake his/her meta. Elaborate please. Then again, I wonder why Farah removes GB from her "remaining scum" list. I think your reads of shining and GB are really weak. I also dislike that Fecalfeast comes into the thread once he's under pressure. Why not do this before? Not interested to solve the game? If so, why not? I strongly think there's scum in between GB and FF, maybe MD but I don't have a solid case on that. I guess MD will break my neck the longer I survive in that game because I cannot tell if he's town or scum but I still have that scum feeling. I had the same fucking feeling in the game we played when he was scum and talked everyone into oblivion, however I was mislynched before being able to get him lynched. I actually have a good grasp on that game, SL and MD are the only ones I don't have at least a reasoned opinion on. That, among with my standing as a townread person, will probably get me shot soon. Well, some casualties cannot be prevented. Fecal as of now I don't have the time to really look at the games you mentioned towards me. Hold me at it, I'll try to do so this evening. The lynch should happen in between FF/GB/ES/Shining. I think those guys have the highest chance to flip scum. Second tier lynches are MD/SL(though GB scumreads him which actually makes me rethink that)/VonThin. Don't lynch: Farah. Never lynch: Rels, boxerfred. On October 22 2015 01:44 boxerfred wrote: only mobile here so just a question: you initially misunderstood dumb tells. however you still say sl is dumbtelling. out of all sl? he plays lots of games here. On October 22 2015 02:28 boxerfred wrote: yeah okay no ##unvote ##vote MoosyDoosy fine with any other of my top lynches though Suspicions on FF: On October 21 2015 19:52 boxerfred wrote: I also dislike that Fecalfeast comes into the thread once he's under pressure. Why not do this before? Not interested to solve the game? If so, why not? I strongly think there's scum in between GB and FF, maybe MD but I don't have a solid case on that. I guess MD will break my neck the longer I survive in that game because I cannot tell if he's town or scum but I still have that scum feeling. I had the same fucking feeling in the game we played when he was scum and talked everyone into oblivion, however I was mislynched before being able to get him lynched. I actually have a good grasp on that game, SL and MD are the only ones I don't have at least a reasoned opinion on. That, among with my standing as a townread person, will probably get me shot soon. Well, some casualties cannot be prevented. [...] The lynch should happen in between FF/GB/ES/Shining. I think those guys have the highest chance to flip scum. Promised to answer his question, still haven't done so: On October 21 2015 19:52 boxerfred wrote: Fecal as of now I don't have the time to really look at the games you mentioned towards me. Hold me at it, I'll try to do so this evening. 3. FF never mentions BF again. He doesn't show concerns that BF promised to answer his question and didn't. He has too many townreads. He's agreeing with my SL / Moosy / Vonthin team. He's voting SL. To resume: he has dropped one of his two scumreads without explanation. On October 22 2015 10:09 Fecalfeast wrote: yeah es' thought process here is towny too. I just checked my pm to make sure I'm not scum in case I forgot, I have too many town reads On October 22 2015 18:13 Fecalfeast wrote: That's not a bad team tbh On October 22 2015 18:55 Fecalfeast wrote: ##unvote ##vote sicklucker | ||
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
On October 18 2015 05:45 The Shining wrote: Town Moosy was very self-conscious of spam last game. Why the change? Good question that I think a town would ask. I can see where you're coming from with Moosy but why do you think GB is spamming? If anything, I'm more guilty of it than he is. And what is so bad about rolling VT? To some people, its the best role in the game. I mean, would you rather have rolled scum? I'm not really sure where the disappointment is coming from. Another good question This entrance is weak. Scott doesn't comment on anyone else except a slight townlean on GB(who is asking people about Moosy, the only other player mentioned here). He distances himself from his first thought in saying Moosy he's pushing the fact that he's town a little hard but its "just a thought." Then he picks on an obvious joke vote and conversation between GB and Moosy to slight town GB and suspect Moosy? Why is GB slight townlean? Flesh that out for me I mean, was that not obvious enough? Thats what I got when I read it. Did you actually read the context, Scott? Or did you just see the vote? Here I see a towny trying to get a better read of Scott who barely posted anything On October 18 2015 08:50 The Shining wrote: Because I'm bored and no one is doing anything and half the game hasn't shown up. And I've been known to take things super seriously so I'm trying to break out of that and be lax this game. So are you scum? Because that sounds like TMI. How would you know that it's actual townies that are doing the shitposting and causing chaos? On October 18 2015 11:20 The Shining wrote: @Vonthin if that's the case can you be more specific? Instead of being indirect, point out those that look scummy because of shitposting please. Examples would be helpful. Here he is trying to get more information out of me so he can get a better read on me, if he was scum I would feel he wouldn't try to get more info from me and instead just throw some shit at my previous posts. And yay GB is trying to get the game started. Let's see... I agree with the Farah read. I agree that that question would've been better off in the scumQT if she rolled scum and it is a WIFOM argument but the timing of it seemed genuinely curious and not holding back in her questioning of Moosy and GBs jokes is another town point. As far as the tunneling goes, keeping in mind she's a newer player, I could understand the hesitance to look more broadly because she's being asked to do so by GB, who she suspected could be scum. I wouldn't want to cooperate with someone I think is scum, either. Sigh. My openings are always horrendous, especially in town games. Thanks for noticing. The joke phase isn't something I've ever really been apart of and not something I'm a huge fan of, but seeing as how it was the only thing going on, I didn't want to just sit around and not post. I find it a little odd, though, that you pick on my horrendous opening but then find my Scott post very okay. I guess it makes sense if you still have me at null, though. Moosy is pretty null to me right now. His banter is NAI to me and the picking a meta talk seemed like it was just more of him trying to keep the joke phase up but the longer he does things like that without actually scum hunting, the more I'll suspect him. I didn't like the threatening to not care, either, but knowing he has double bussed to win a game before(meaning he cared enough to do so) makes it NAI, as well. Not sure about Kels, either. You might be right but before I go into it, I'd like to know if he was actually serious about that post. Kelsier can you answer this for me? I'd like Vonthin to answer what I asked, too, before I go too in-depth on him but from what I've seen so far, he could just be frustrated town not knowing how to deal with a slow day start. Overall I'd give GB a slight townlean just for making this post and trying to push discussion, as I agree with a few things in the post. GB what do you think of boxerfreds entrance? Why wasn't he included in your list? Here we have a good read on Farah, good read for Moosy at the time, and then asks Kelsier and GB questions to get better reads on them and more information out there which is always beneficial to town. The more information on peoples reads = easier to catch scum Honestly, outside of Rels admittedly good points RE: Scott, I don't really like his catch up posts. He starts off picking on my entrance(just like GB did) and then goes on to say GB might be Mafia. If so, why did he have the same train of thought as him? Then he asks SL for his thoughts on GB, meaning he wants to try and flesh out his scumread of GB. Then he picks on another of my posts which is whatever because I know I always play weird D1s but considering I was looking for Vonthins reaction to that post, I don't like him painting a narrative of me being in a scum mentality. Especially since we rolled scum together recently and he should know that isn't my style. Then he follows up with GB is probably town for his tryhard post. After saying he might be Mafia, and trying to flesh it out with SL, he says he is town off of one post and leaves it alone. Even goes so far as to make a lynch list including myself on it and throws GB on the town list, then asks GB what he thinks of SL? Why is he trying to throw these two against each other instead of asking anyone else? And he completely abandoned his scumread on GB to accept him as town with no interaction, just a post he saw. Brings up good points about Rels, who I thought was scummy at that time before his claim that he was vig. Ew. You know, when you admit to just skimming the thread, my eyes kind of glaze over when reading a WoT like this. Like if you're just skimming, how am I supposed to look at this as anything other than just fluffing up the thread and your filter? I'm not sure I believe boxer is genuine here in his anger at supposedly rolling VT. The bit about getting SL banned is a pointless bit of information and NAI. And there isn't really a way to verify whether boxer actually enjoys rolling scum more. I do agree with his read on Kelsier because he pretty much just rolled over and died/conceded N1 as scum last game but his Moosy read is just weird. Too much conflicting talk. He could be scum or town. Some fluff about gut vs brain. And then he's back to me. So he's jumping around oddly in that post. Of course if I'm the only one in thread with GB, and I used to play SC2, I'm not just gonna be a douche and ignore him. I also said at the beginning of the game that I'm trying out a more lax approach because normally I just yell at everyone. So me bantering should be NAI. It's also pretty damn weird that he'd say I'm asking very specific questions to people but pretending to be constructive. And then back to Moosy. So he went Shining, Moosy, Shining, Moosy all in one post. The two people who have either questioned him or scummed him. And how can their behavior be tying them together if, like Moosy pointed out, you also said one can be scum but not the other? Then chances are they at both town but you don't think so? So you're saying they're tied together, then only one scum, then possibly both town but you don't think so? If you don't think so, and Moosy is your top scumread, why even mention that it's possible that they could be both town? One of my favorite posts of his, brings up good points on Boxer being scum which I agree with 100% Majority of the rest of his filter is just calling out ES for being scum and most of his thoughts and questions to her are spot on and something a town would ask. He also doesn't have anything that jumps out to me and yells scum besides some of the fluff at the start of the game. | ||
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
Moosy- Bunch of fluff all game, hardly any scum reading. Says shit like he is disinterested and would call doc to add to the chaos. Boxer/Ever- Same reasons as before SL- Filter still reads scum to me, don't care if people say thats how he played town in his last games. His roleclaim still confuses me as its either just him being retarded or him being scum to make him look town. FF- Still don't like his filter, it has gotten better though since my post and vote on him. ##unvote | ||
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Vonthin
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Fecalfeast
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