On September 23 2015 03:26 SuperHofmann wrote:
A waste of money for an unbalanced game
A waste of money for an unbalanced game
I'm glad you know so much about marketing
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On September 23 2015 03:26 SuperHofmann wrote: A waste of money for an unbalanced game I'm glad you know so much about marketing | ||
SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
On September 23 2015 03:41 y0su wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2015 03:26 SuperHofmann wrote: A waste of money for an unbalanced game I'm glad you know so much about marketing I don't give a fuck, I've said a real thing | ||
rotta
5560 Posts
On September 23 2015 03:41 y0su wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2015 03:26 SuperHofmann wrote: A waste of money for an unbalanced game I'm glad you know so much about marketing Not to mention clairvoyance! | ||
[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
On September 23 2015 03:38 BlackCompany wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2015 03:12 The_Red_Viper wrote: On September 23 2015 03:09 BlackCompany wrote: On September 23 2015 02:51 brickrd wrote: the complaints about how the game will be broken and not figured out are hilarious. in what world is the first major tournament of an expansion going to be perfectly balanced and reward the best players from the previous expansion? Because it has always been bad is a reason not to complain that it is bad? Ok. Well, it simply is not possible to balance the game without the highest level of play going on for a significant amount of time. And no, the current LOTV playerpool IS NOT the highest level. That is true but i had hoped they would at least give LotV some time before hosting a big tournament with it. Strange though this may seem, I like that they kinda rush competitive LotV play. I think the quicker we have big prizes tourneys on LotV, the quicker we'll discover what's wrong with the game (because let's face it, a huge bunch is bound to be severely wrong) and (hopefully) the quicker Blizzard reacts and patches. So I think this is a wise decision. | ||
Boucot
France15997 Posts
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On September 23 2015 03:43 SuperHofmann wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2015 03:41 y0su wrote: On September 23 2015 03:26 SuperHofmann wrote: A waste of money for an unbalanced game I'm glad you know so much about marketing I don't give a fuck, I've said a real thing No, you've stated an opinion. | ||
BlackCompany
Germany8388 Posts
On September 23 2015 03:47 [PkF] Wire wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2015 03:38 BlackCompany wrote: On September 23 2015 03:12 The_Red_Viper wrote: On September 23 2015 03:09 BlackCompany wrote: On September 23 2015 02:51 brickrd wrote: the complaints about how the game will be broken and not figured out are hilarious. in what world is the first major tournament of an expansion going to be perfectly balanced and reward the best players from the previous expansion? Because it has always been bad is a reason not to complain that it is bad? Ok. Well, it simply is not possible to balance the game without the highest level of play going on for a significant amount of time. And no, the current LOTV playerpool IS NOT the highest level. That is true but i had hoped they would at least give LotV some time before hosting a big tournament with it. Strange though this may seem, I like that they kinda rush competitive LotV play. I think the quicker we have big prizes tourneys on LotV, the quicker we'll discover what's wrong with the game (because let's face it, a huge bunch is bound to be severely wrong) and (hopefully) the quicker Blizzard reacts and patches. So I think this is a wise decision. I'd be surprised if they had ALL their decisions right and would ask myself how many children they sacrifised to the devil to get them all right - there is realistically a 0% chance to get a balanced and well-designed game done first try. Big tournaments might help, you could be right, and at least this might help the big korean tournaments to work with a decently fixed LotV and we won't see band-aid fixes in the middle of a ro16 for example. Anyway we will be a lot wiser at the end of the year. I'm definatley tuning in for the DH and even if it is just for some hilarious or awkward cheeses. Would be fun as well! | ||
endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On September 23 2015 02:42 The_Red_Viper wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2015 02:16 Zealously wrote: I must remind you all that Life has a proven track record in high-stakes tournaments playing expansions he has only played for a few days And i must remind you that Life is pretty mediocre atm. There obviously is still time to change that. Yes, people don't tell me that nearly often enough | ||
WaylanderSC2_
24 Posts
On September 23 2015 03:52 y0su wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2015 03:43 SuperHofmann wrote: On September 23 2015 03:41 y0su wrote: On September 23 2015 03:26 SuperHofmann wrote: A waste of money for an unbalanced game I'm glad you know so much about marketing I don't give a fuck, I've said a real thing No, you've stated an opinion. opinions are real! | ||
[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
On September 23 2015 03:53 BlackCompany wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2015 03:47 [PkF] Wire wrote: On September 23 2015 03:38 BlackCompany wrote: On September 23 2015 03:12 The_Red_Viper wrote: On September 23 2015 03:09 BlackCompany wrote: On September 23 2015 02:51 brickrd wrote: the complaints about how the game will be broken and not figured out are hilarious. in what world is the first major tournament of an expansion going to be perfectly balanced and reward the best players from the previous expansion? Because it has always been bad is a reason not to complain that it is bad? Ok. Well, it simply is not possible to balance the game without the highest level of play going on for a significant amount of time. And no, the current LOTV playerpool IS NOT the highest level. That is true but i had hoped they would at least give LotV some time before hosting a big tournament with it. Strange though this may seem, I like that they kinda rush competitive LotV play. I think the quicker we have big prizes tourneys on LotV, the quicker we'll discover what's wrong with the game (because let's face it, a huge bunch is bound to be severely wrong) and (hopefully) the quicker Blizzard reacts and patches. So I think this is a wise decision. I'd be surprised if they had ALL their decisions right and would ask myself how many children they sacrifised to the devil to get them all right - there is realistically a 0% chance to get a balanced and well-designed game done first try. Big tournaments might help, you could be right, and at least this might help the big korean tournaments to work with a decently fixed LotV and we won't see band-aid fixes in the middle of a ro16 for example. Anyway we will be a lot wiser at the end of the year. I'm definatley tuning in for the DH and even if it is just for some hilarious or awkward cheeses. Would be fun as well! with a competent team in charge, the well-designed game odds would have been better. I agree there is close to zero chance to have something even remotely balanced. The only thing I wonder is will they have the balls to do big magnitude changes after release ? For instance, if eco or warpgate rework really prove detrimental after two months of tournament play, can they swallow their pride and revert the changes ? They won't die, it's not poison, but Blizzard can be quite stubborn sometimes. | ||
Shellshock
United States97272 Posts
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BlackCompany
Germany8388 Posts
On September 23 2015 04:12 [PkF] Wire wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2015 03:53 BlackCompany wrote: On September 23 2015 03:47 [PkF] Wire wrote: On September 23 2015 03:38 BlackCompany wrote: On September 23 2015 03:12 The_Red_Viper wrote: On September 23 2015 03:09 BlackCompany wrote: On September 23 2015 02:51 brickrd wrote: the complaints about how the game will be broken and not figured out are hilarious. in what world is the first major tournament of an expansion going to be perfectly balanced and reward the best players from the previous expansion? Because it has always been bad is a reason not to complain that it is bad? Ok. Well, it simply is not possible to balance the game without the highest level of play going on for a significant amount of time. And no, the current LOTV playerpool IS NOT the highest level. That is true but i had hoped they would at least give LotV some time before hosting a big tournament with it. Strange though this may seem, I like that they kinda rush competitive LotV play. I think the quicker we have big prizes tourneys on LotV, the quicker we'll discover what's wrong with the game (because let's face it, a huge bunch is bound to be severely wrong) and (hopefully) the quicker Blizzard reacts and patches. So I think this is a wise decision. I'd be surprised if they had ALL their decisions right and would ask myself how many children they sacrifised to the devil to get them all right - there is realistically a 0% chance to get a balanced and well-designed game done first try. Big tournaments might help, you could be right, and at least this might help the big korean tournaments to work with a decently fixed LotV and we won't see band-aid fixes in the middle of a ro16 for example. Anyway we will be a lot wiser at the end of the year. I'm definatley tuning in for the DH and even if it is just for some hilarious or awkward cheeses. Would be fun as well! with a competent team in charge, the well-designed game odds would have been better. I agree there is close to zero chance to have something even remotely balanced. The only thing I wonder is will they have the balls to do big magnitude changes after release ? For instance, if eco or warpgate rework really prove detrimental after two months of tournament play, can they swallow their pride and revert the changes ? They won't die, it's not poison, but Blizzard can be quite stubborn sometimes. I hope they will do what's necessary. Thank god they stoped doing bunker build time fixes | ||
Musicus
Germany23570 Posts
On September 23 2015 03:56 Zealously wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2015 02:42 The_Red_Viper wrote: On September 23 2015 02:16 Zealously wrote: I must remind you all that Life has a proven track record in high-stakes tournaments playing expansions he has only played for a few days And i must remind you that Life is pretty mediocre atm. There obviously is still time to change that. Yes, people don't tell me that nearly often enough Imagine being a Jaedong fan . | ||
Shellshock
United States97272 Posts
On September 23 2015 02:16 Zealously wrote: I must remind you all that Life has a proven track record in high-stakes tournaments playing expansions he has only played for a few days yeah I remember when he dominated sjow with the little experience he had against widow mines. | ||
jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On September 23 2015 04:55 Shellshock wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2015 02:16 Zealously wrote: I must remind you all that Life has a proven track record in high-stakes tournaments playing expansions he has only played for a few days yeah I remember when he dominated sjow with the little experience he had against widow mines. Sjow > Flash confirmed. | ||
carcelink
Spain10 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
On September 23 2015 04:43 BlackCompany wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2015 04:12 [PkF] Wire wrote: On September 23 2015 03:53 BlackCompany wrote: On September 23 2015 03:47 [PkF] Wire wrote: On September 23 2015 03:38 BlackCompany wrote: On September 23 2015 03:12 The_Red_Viper wrote: On September 23 2015 03:09 BlackCompany wrote: On September 23 2015 02:51 brickrd wrote: the complaints about how the game will be broken and not figured out are hilarious. in what world is the first major tournament of an expansion going to be perfectly balanced and reward the best players from the previous expansion? Because it has always been bad is a reason not to complain that it is bad? Ok. Well, it simply is not possible to balance the game without the highest level of play going on for a significant amount of time. And no, the current LOTV playerpool IS NOT the highest level. That is true but i had hoped they would at least give LotV some time before hosting a big tournament with it. Strange though this may seem, I like that they kinda rush competitive LotV play. I think the quicker we have big prizes tourneys on LotV, the quicker we'll discover what's wrong with the game (because let's face it, a huge bunch is bound to be severely wrong) and (hopefully) the quicker Blizzard reacts and patches. So I think this is a wise decision. I'd be surprised if they had ALL their decisions right and would ask myself how many children they sacrifised to the devil to get them all right - there is realistically a 0% chance to get a balanced and well-designed game done first try. Big tournaments might help, you could be right, and at least this might help the big korean tournaments to work with a decently fixed LotV and we won't see band-aid fixes in the middle of a ro16 for example. Anyway we will be a lot wiser at the end of the year. I'm definatley tuning in for the DH and even if it is just for some hilarious or awkward cheeses. Would be fun as well! with a competent team in charge, the well-designed game odds would have been better. I agree there is close to zero chance to have something even remotely balanced. The only thing I wonder is will they have the balls to do big magnitude changes after release ? For instance, if eco or warpgate rework really prove detrimental after two months of tournament play, can they swallow their pride and revert the changes ? They won't die, it's not poison, but Blizzard can be quite stubborn sometimes. I hope they will do what's necessary. Thank god they stoped doing bunker build time fixes though bunker build time could use a nerf | ||
Lumi
United States1612 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
On September 23 2015 06:00 Lumi wrote: throwing money at an unfinished game w00t whatever we think about it, that unfinished game is the future of SC2. Could be its demise, but they have to invest in it. | ||
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