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On August 12 2015 23:38 rsoultin wrote: nh
unless he's basically just ignoring you and not really reading your posts anymore, i have no answer for that
i assumed you were pushing him for what he actually did lol >< bad me yeah seems like alot of people are just ignoring me and do not read my posts. why do i even bother?
ruxxar + hopeless. Associative read says Palmar So it's either purplehaze or deconduo.
I'll go do something else.
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Rayn, can you read mafia ruxxar in Gaiden and tell me what you think? Starting to think that we're dealing with a brainfarting townie given the different approaches to the game, but I still feel really tempted to keep voting for him.
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I really don't care what he did in another game. What he does this game makes no sense at all from town perspective. Like i know i have read him wrong in the last two games on D1, but i NEVER ended up voting for him and it was different. This here doesn't make any sense at all.
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On August 12 2015 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2015 23:12 rsoultin wrote:On August 12 2015 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:i totally forgot purplehaze is in the game. There is something he'll probably do if he is mafia. I don't think he has done anything alignment indicative yet. I am amused how can people trust a tone read over actual post-based evidence that a guy is clearly just fucking pulling shit out of his ass. I am sad. i know what you're keying in on, rayn you're saying how can the guy have different reactions to the same post, whether he's forgotten it or not? and as i said, the whole flavor of his posting is somewhat different this game so i'm not as sure on it here as i was in desert, but i still wouldn't lynch him today. lol i call it tone but it's actually behavior/personality-based and yes i do tend to put more value on a read that considers overarching play over one or two consistencies especially when being inconsistent isn't outside the norm for ruxxy :/ My case i posted is in fact 50% bullshit just because i just realized i misread one of his posts where he says "a post about artanis" into "artanis' post". So what he is doing is he is agreeing that i am right when he SHOULD know i am pushing something he hasn't even actually said or done. Like rsoultin, if someone now made a case on you based on "you called rayn town then now you suddenly call him mafia for no reason" would your response be: 1) "i have not called rayn mafia" or, 2) "yeah i did woopiedoo" ????
I noticed this later but didn't care to correct you.
Now can you answer the question I asked you: Do you think scum are more likely to sheep your push or try to defend me?
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On August 13 2015 00:06 ruXxar wrote: I noticed this later but didn't care to correct you.
Now can you answer the question I asked you: Do you think scum are more likely to sheep your push or try to defend me? rofl. yeah looks really town......
No, i don't answer you. Because it doesn't matter. Like can you fucking understand you are trying to put me into a situation i don't even believe in so i can't give an answer that is legitmate.
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You notice alot of stuff "later on" and "don't really care to correct people" or "elaborate well". Like if you think this is anything but ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE town play then you are just [redacted]... And i do not believe that, so that makes you mafia.
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On August 13 2015 00:06 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2015 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2015 23:12 rsoultin wrote:On August 12 2015 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:i totally forgot purplehaze is in the game. There is something he'll probably do if he is mafia. I don't think he has done anything alignment indicative yet. I am amused how can people trust a tone read over actual post-based evidence that a guy is clearly just fucking pulling shit out of his ass. I am sad. i know what you're keying in on, rayn you're saying how can the guy have different reactions to the same post, whether he's forgotten it or not? and as i said, the whole flavor of his posting is somewhat different this game so i'm not as sure on it here as i was in desert, but i still wouldn't lynch him today. lol i call it tone but it's actually behavior/personality-based and yes i do tend to put more value on a read that considers overarching play over one or two consistencies especially when being inconsistent isn't outside the norm for ruxxy :/ My case i posted is in fact 50% bullshit just because i just realized i misread one of his posts where he says "a post about artanis" into "artanis' post". So what he is doing is he is agreeing that i am right when he SHOULD know i am pushing something he hasn't even actually said or done. Like rsoultin, if someone now made a case on you based on "you called rayn town then now you suddenly call him mafia for no reason" would your response be: 1) "i have not called rayn mafia" or, 2) "yeah i did woopiedoo" ???? I noticed this later but didn't care to correct you. Now can you answer the question I asked you: Do you think scum are more likely to sheep your push or try to defend me?
I'll talk to you like you're town for a bit.
That's a question you should be able to answer yourself with knowledge of your alignment and me and rayn being the only ones pushing you atm?
Trfel I think agreed with us on you.
You've been wondering as well in an earlier post how scum would treat you, why are you still unsure?
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yeah I'm probably not going to do much today either. I'll try to do something tonight.
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On August 13 2015 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: You notice alot of stuff "later on" and "don't really care to correct people" or "elaborate well". Like if you think this is anything but ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE town play then you are just [redacted]... And i do not believe that, so that makes you mafia.
Welcome to my town game. I would've thought you'd have a better read on me after 3 games.
When I'm scum I spend up to 30 minutes composing a simple post, making sure I don't blotch what I'm about to say, proof reading, polishing, re evaluating my word usage.
Rsoul can attest to this.
I hate that way of playing. I have to be mr el logico, all the time. Fuck that's boring.
I enjoy being able to say whatever I want and don't case for the consequences.
I'm not afraid to get lynched by you rayn. I don't have any scum mates to let down when I die. And even if you manage to do it, It'll haunt you even more knowing you're wrong yet again.
You should listen to the people that know me better. They're making your job real easy.
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On August 13 2015 00:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 00:06 ruXxar wrote:On August 12 2015 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2015 23:12 rsoultin wrote:On August 12 2015 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:i totally forgot purplehaze is in the game. There is something he'll probably do if he is mafia. I don't think he has done anything alignment indicative yet. I am amused how can people trust a tone read over actual post-based evidence that a guy is clearly just fucking pulling shit out of his ass. I am sad. i know what you're keying in on, rayn you're saying how can the guy have different reactions to the same post, whether he's forgotten it or not? and as i said, the whole flavor of his posting is somewhat different this game so i'm not as sure on it here as i was in desert, but i still wouldn't lynch him today. lol i call it tone but it's actually behavior/personality-based and yes i do tend to put more value on a read that considers overarching play over one or two consistencies especially when being inconsistent isn't outside the norm for ruxxy :/ My case i posted is in fact 50% bullshit just because i just realized i misread one of his posts where he says "a post about artanis" into "artanis' post". So what he is doing is he is agreeing that i am right when he SHOULD know i am pushing something he hasn't even actually said or done. Like rsoultin, if someone now made a case on you based on "you called rayn town then now you suddenly call him mafia for no reason" would your response be: 1) "i have not called rayn mafia" or, 2) "yeah i did woopiedoo" ???? I noticed this later but didn't care to correct you. Now can you answer the question I asked you: Do you think scum are more likely to sheep your push or try to defend me? I'll talk to you like you're town for a bit. That's a question you should be able to answer yourself with knowledge of your alignment and me and rayn being the only ones pushing you atm? Trfel I think agreed with us on you. You've been wondering as well in an earlier post how scum would treat you, why are you still unsure?
I know what I would do in this situation if I was scum. I would push my own ass 100% just like rayn is doing.
Rayb is doing us all a potential service by pushing me, since it creates a polarity between people that increases the chances of exposing mafia motivation.
I thnk a vote in me would bring very interesting results.
What's clear is that unless rayn is mafia, there's really no need for mafia to put in any effort in pushing me, since rayn is doing all the heavy lifting.
The case then balances on how likely that Raymond will be able to push his lynch through on me.
If town sentiment turns into a heavy favor of lynching me, then I think scum would favor speaking up in my defense to earn town credit.
I don't think scum hard defends me like attains did yesterday unless he was planning to turn the vote back on Ryan somehow, which he clearly wasn't doing either.
From this I surmise that artanis is town.
In this push on me, I think mafia are most likely taking soft stances.
They have rayan and artanis taking the brunt of the blame either way I flip.
Of course they want to lunch me since I'm town, so they'll want to softly nudge town sentiment towards lynching me.
But if course mafia don't all want to align on one side if they can help it, so some may be speaking up against my lynch but not trying to actually push someone else.
Deconduo fits very well within this frame which is why u suspect him.
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On August 13 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 00:11 Vivax wrote:On August 13 2015 00:06 ruXxar wrote:On August 12 2015 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2015 23:12 rsoultin wrote:On August 12 2015 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:i totally forgot purplehaze is in the game. There is something he'll probably do if he is mafia. I don't think he has done anything alignment indicative yet. I am amused how can people trust a tone read over actual post-based evidence that a guy is clearly just fucking pulling shit out of his ass. I am sad. i know what you're keying in on, rayn you're saying how can the guy have different reactions to the same post, whether he's forgotten it or not? and as i said, the whole flavor of his posting is somewhat different this game so i'm not as sure on it here as i was in desert, but i still wouldn't lynch him today. lol i call it tone but it's actually behavior/personality-based and yes i do tend to put more value on a read that considers overarching play over one or two consistencies especially when being inconsistent isn't outside the norm for ruxxy :/ My case i posted is in fact 50% bullshit just because i just realized i misread one of his posts where he says "a post about artanis" into "artanis' post". So what he is doing is he is agreeing that i am right when he SHOULD know i am pushing something he hasn't even actually said or done. Like rsoultin, if someone now made a case on you based on "you called rayn town then now you suddenly call him mafia for no reason" would your response be: 1) "i have not called rayn mafia" or, 2) "yeah i did woopiedoo" ???? I noticed this later but didn't care to correct you. Now can you answer the question I asked you: Do you think scum are more likely to sheep your push or try to defend me? I'll talk to you like you're town for a bit. That's a question you should be able to answer yourself with knowledge of your alignment and me and rayn being the only ones pushing you atm? Trfel I think agreed with us on you. You've been wondering as well in an earlier post how scum would treat you, why are you still unsure? I know what I would do in this situation if I was scum. I would push my own ass 100% just like rayn is doing. Rayb is doing us all a potential service by pushing me, since it creates a polarity between people that increases the chances of exposing mafia motivation. I thnk a vote in me would bring very interesting results. What's clear is that unless rayn is mafia, there's really no need for mafia to put in any effort in pushing me, since rayn is doing all the heavy lifting. The case then balances on how likely that Raymond will be able to push his lynch through on me. If town sentiment turns into a heavy favor of lynching me, then I think scum would favor speaking up in my defense to earn town credit. I don't think scum hard defends me like attains did yesterday unless he was planning to turn the vote back on Ryan somehow, which he clearly wasn't doing either.
From this I surmise that artanis is town. In this push on me, I think mafia are most likely taking soft stances. They have rayan and artanis taking the brunt of the blame either way I flip. Of course they want to lunch me since I'm town, so they'll want to softly nudge town sentiment towards lynching me. But if course mafia don't all want to align on one side if they can help it, so some may be speaking up against my lynch but not trying to actually push someone else.Deconduo fits very well within this frame which is why u suspect him.
This doesn't make much sense. First of all, Artanis not using your defense for something doesn't mean anything since it's something he was able to talk about, and that's enough of a reason in itself.
But most importantly, he isn't really pushing anything else, he called hopeless a coinflip and put deconduo into the grey zone. He doesn't have anything strong besides his townread on you.
So I don't understand why he is so townie to you by your own standards.
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On August 13 2015 00:53 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:On August 13 2015 00:11 Vivax wrote:On August 13 2015 00:06 ruXxar wrote:On August 12 2015 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2015 23:12 rsoultin wrote:On August 12 2015 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:i totally forgot purplehaze is in the game. There is something he'll probably do if he is mafia. I don't think he has done anything alignment indicative yet. I am amused how can people trust a tone read over actual post-based evidence that a guy is clearly just fucking pulling shit out of his ass. I am sad. i know what you're keying in on, rayn you're saying how can the guy have different reactions to the same post, whether he's forgotten it or not? and as i said, the whole flavor of his posting is somewhat different this game so i'm not as sure on it here as i was in desert, but i still wouldn't lynch him today. lol i call it tone but it's actually behavior/personality-based and yes i do tend to put more value on a read that considers overarching play over one or two consistencies especially when being inconsistent isn't outside the norm for ruxxy :/ My case i posted is in fact 50% bullshit just because i just realized i misread one of his posts where he says "a post about artanis" into "artanis' post". So what he is doing is he is agreeing that i am right when he SHOULD know i am pushing something he hasn't even actually said or done. Like rsoultin, if someone now made a case on you based on "you called rayn town then now you suddenly call him mafia for no reason" would your response be: 1) "i have not called rayn mafia" or, 2) "yeah i did woopiedoo" ???? I noticed this later but didn't care to correct you. Now can you answer the question I asked you: Do you think scum are more likely to sheep your push or try to defend me? I'll talk to you like you're town for a bit. That's a question you should be able to answer yourself with knowledge of your alignment and me and rayn being the only ones pushing you atm? Trfel I think agreed with us on you. You've been wondering as well in an earlier post how scum would treat you, why are you still unsure? I know what I would do in this situation if I was scum. I would push my own ass 100% just like rayn is doing. Rayb is doing us all a potential service by pushing me, since it creates a polarity between people that increases the chances of exposing mafia motivation. I thnk a vote in me would bring very interesting results. What's clear is that unless rayn is mafia, there's really no need for mafia to put in any effort in pushing me, since rayn is doing all the heavy lifting. The case then balances on how likely that Raymond will be able to push his lynch through on me. If town sentiment turns into a heavy favor of lynching me, then I think scum would favor speaking up in my defense to earn town credit. I don't think scum hard defends me like attains did yesterday unless he was planning to turn the vote back on Ryan somehow, which he clearly wasn't doing either.
From this I surmise that artanis is town. In this push on me, I think mafia are most likely taking soft stances. They have rayan and artanis taking the brunt of the blame either way I flip. Of course they want to lunch me since I'm town, so they'll want to softly nudge town sentiment towards lynching me. But if course mafia don't all want to align on one side if they can help it, so some may be speaking up against my lynch but not trying to actually push someone else.Deconduo fits very well within this frame which is why u suspect him. This doesn't make much sense. First of all, Artanis not using your defense for something doesn't mean anything since it's something he was able to talk about, and that's enough of a reason in itself. But most importantly, he isn't really pushing anything else, he called hopeless a coinflip and put deconduo into the grey zone. He doesn't have anything strong besides his townread on you. So I don't understand why he is so townie to you by your own standards.
Because he's hard defending me, when he has nothing to gain.
My vote wasn't gaining a lot of momentum to the point where a lunch was inevitable.
If my lunch doesn't happen, then he stands nothing to gain. He basically out himself in the line of fire for no apparent town cred, when mafia could've just as easily just stand by and let the mis lynch happen.
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Deconduo on the other hand is soft defending me after attains already took a hard stance. At that point the push was stifled and in the long run if I eventually flip, deco can say fat he was trying to defend me from the lunch.
There's basically 0 downside for mafia to sift defend me there after artanis stopped the push.
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On August 13 2015 00:22 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: You notice alot of stuff "later on" and "don't really care to correct people" or "elaborate well". Like if you think this is anything but ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE town play then you are just [redacted]... And i do not believe that, so that makes you mafia. Welcome to my town game. I would've thought you'd have a better read on me after 3 games. When I'm scum I spend up to 30 minutes composing a simple post, making sure I don't blotch what I'm about to say, proof reading, polishing, re evaluating my word usage. Rsoul can attest to this. I hate that way of playing. I have to be mr el logico, all the time. Fuck that's boring. I enjoy being able to say whatever I want and don't case for the consequences. I'm not afraid to get lynched by you rayn. I don't have any scum mates to let down when I die. And even if you manage to do it, It'll haunt you even more knowing you're wrong yet again. You should listen to the people that know me better.They're making your job real easy. Real quick, who are the people "that know you better"?
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On August 13 2015 00:59 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 00:53 Vivax wrote:On August 13 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:On August 13 2015 00:11 Vivax wrote:On August 13 2015 00:06 ruXxar wrote:On August 12 2015 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2015 23:12 rsoultin wrote:On August 12 2015 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:i totally forgot purplehaze is in the game. There is something he'll probably do if he is mafia. I don't think he has done anything alignment indicative yet. I am amused how can people trust a tone read over actual post-based evidence that a guy is clearly just fucking pulling shit out of his ass. I am sad. i know what you're keying in on, rayn you're saying how can the guy have different reactions to the same post, whether he's forgotten it or not? and as i said, the whole flavor of his posting is somewhat different this game so i'm not as sure on it here as i was in desert, but i still wouldn't lynch him today. lol i call it tone but it's actually behavior/personality-based and yes i do tend to put more value on a read that considers overarching play over one or two consistencies especially when being inconsistent isn't outside the norm for ruxxy :/ My case i posted is in fact 50% bullshit just because i just realized i misread one of his posts where he says "a post about artanis" into "artanis' post". So what he is doing is he is agreeing that i am right when he SHOULD know i am pushing something he hasn't even actually said or done. Like rsoultin, if someone now made a case on you based on "you called rayn town then now you suddenly call him mafia for no reason" would your response be: 1) "i have not called rayn mafia" or, 2) "yeah i did woopiedoo" ???? I noticed this later but didn't care to correct you. Now can you answer the question I asked you: Do you think scum are more likely to sheep your push or try to defend me? I'll talk to you like you're town for a bit. That's a question you should be able to answer yourself with knowledge of your alignment and me and rayn being the only ones pushing you atm? Trfel I think agreed with us on you. You've been wondering as well in an earlier post how scum would treat you, why are you still unsure? I know what I would do in this situation if I was scum. I would push my own ass 100% just like rayn is doing. Rayb is doing us all a potential service by pushing me, since it creates a polarity between people that increases the chances of exposing mafia motivation. I thnk a vote in me would bring very interesting results. What's clear is that unless rayn is mafia, there's really no need for mafia to put in any effort in pushing me, since rayn is doing all the heavy lifting. The case then balances on how likely that Raymond will be able to push his lynch through on me. If town sentiment turns into a heavy favor of lynching me, then I think scum would favor speaking up in my defense to earn town credit. I don't think scum hard defends me like attains did yesterday unless he was planning to turn the vote back on Ryan somehow, which he clearly wasn't doing either.
From this I surmise that artanis is town. In this push on me, I think mafia are most likely taking soft stances. They have rayan and artanis taking the brunt of the blame either way I flip. Of course they want to lunch me since I'm town, so they'll want to softly nudge town sentiment towards lynching me. But if course mafia don't all want to align on one side if they can help it, so some may be speaking up against my lynch but not trying to actually push someone else.Deconduo fits very well within this frame which is why u suspect him. This doesn't make much sense. First of all, Artanis not using your defense for something doesn't mean anything since it's something he was able to talk about, and that's enough of a reason in itself. But most importantly, he isn't really pushing anything else, he called hopeless a coinflip and put deconduo into the grey zone. He doesn't have anything strong besides his townread on you. So I don't understand why he is so townie to you by your own standards. Because he's hard defending me, when he has nothing to gain.My vote wasn't gaining a lot of momentum to the point where a lunch was inevitable. If my lunch doesn't happen, then he stands nothing to gain. He basically out himself in the line of fire for no apparent town cred, when mafia could've just as easily just stand by and let the mis lynch happen.
On August 12 2015 07:48 ruXxar wrote:
Not sure if mafia are defending me or trying to push me or if it's town on town fighting over whether i'm mafia or not.
I'm not going to complain that people are defending me, but I'm curious of what they're trying to accomplish. (Pocketing?)
etc.
So first you wonder whether they're trying to pocket you with a hard defense, showing you are well aware for reasons for mafia to defend you.
Yet when I ask you about Artanis all you can see is a townie motivation to do what he did?
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I am never going to be mafia in this game ruxxar.
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On August 13 2015 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am never going to be mafia in this game ruxxar. I mean his entire post is worded like he knows you're town and he's trying to convince specifically you.
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Like but I don't know if that makes him mafia with too much information, or if he's a townie with a townread on you, or what.
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Ruxxar why isn't Damdred among your scumreads?
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On August 13 2015 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am never going to be mafia in this game ruxxar.
You're playing exactly the same way you've done the past 2 games with me. I have no reason to call you anything but town.
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