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On July 26 2015 17:41 Rels wrote:@noobking: Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 10:57 n00bKing wrote:
Rels does not belong in that group because he doesn't use any of the clear and specific reasoning seen from the other people in the group. His vote just sorta...ends up there. Quote please. Can't wait to see you providing a source TBH.
Happily. From Damdred (about Barakos' first post of any real length):
it seems like a lot of information doesn't say a lot doesn't draw many conclussions and gives the thought of doing a lot of things while doing nothing at the same time
From Damdred (about Barakos' explanation of that prior post being a reactions test):
One problem I had with this post was that the reads still aren't substantiated beyond a copy paste of the allegations against him. With a slight twist on why those people are town who point out the problems.
The second is he automatically accepts both of us as town for thinking he looks scummy which doesn't make a ton of sense to me. If someone starts a wagon/joims a wagon one of my first thoughts is is scum looking for an easy mislynch which he doesn't do.
Again, that last one is actually not good reasoning. But at least it is clear and specific.
From rayn:
He is clearly lying since he should be interested in what i said about him:
- He kinda called me mafia as a part of his "reaction test"
- He literally should expect a reaction (that results in a read or questions) from me
- Three people called him mafia, me, you and Damdred
- He gives a TOWNREAD on you two (yeah like if he is town why the fuck would you and Damdred be TOWN for calling out scummy stuff that a townie did? like if i was mafia i would totally jump on that - there is no reason to give you a townread for it in the first place) yet he has NOTHING to say about me, who HE called out in the first place.
Again, the last one is bad reasoning. And I think he said it before Damdred did. But as with Damdred, this reasoning is clear and specific. rayn later adds Barakos' "read on disformation" as another specific argument against him.
From disformation:
Interesting. Upon re-reading disformation's filter, it is not as good/Townish as I expected. I still feel like disformation is Town, but he's jovial with Barakos at first, then null-reads him. Then writes a long post about him that is mostly talking in circles. But eventually we get these as more specific explanations for his vote:
actually I think he is misrepresenting me. I never said I would be looking for meta hints in general. I said I would be using some games I was shadowing ppl in to look for meta hints on just ruxXar and Damdred. Never mentioned any other games or meta hints in general. He also calls out my waffling in NSM X. Maybe he sees me as an easy misslynch? Or as an easy distraction?
His conclusion is that I am scum. Seems even like a pretty strong read. But he doesn't vote for me? Waiting to see if he can get this wagon going?
+ Barakos read of me is super strange/wonky.
+ Barakos stance on NocturneMage is super indecisive.
+ Barakos gives a lot of town credit to n00bKing for something that is done very easily.
Conversely, in your filter, it took me a lot of looking around to even find something that explains suspicion of Barakos, and is anywhere near the same part of the game as your vote against him. You make one post where you act suspicious of him and then promptly drop it, and don't revisit him at all for pages, that I noticed. (And I don't mean pages of game thread, I mean pages of your own filter.) You don't talk any more about Barakos until you are specifically interrogated on the subject, and then you say you want to give him more time. Which is fine, I gave him more time as well. Then you call his reaction test "bullshit" but with ZERO explanation as to why. You later call the reaction test a "lie" but again with no explanation.
And this is from the post where you actually cast your vote against him:
Let's begin with the beginning. As promised I re evaluated Barakos. Well, that was easy since he didn't post since yesterday.
In particular, I checked rayn's additional accusation to my and Damdred's case, and it's true rayn was the second people to call Barakos mafia; but Barakos always forgot him on his townreads, only calling Damdred and I town.
I still do not think it's the strongest point against him though rayn sry, this bullshit about reaction test is much worse IMO.
Pretty convinced he's scum.
##Vote Barakos
Murky. Not the same kind of clarity and specificity seen from the other people who voted against Barakos, that I quoted above. Which probably explains why they were the first 3 people to vote against him: because they knew why they were doing so. YOU were the 6th vote against Barakos, and you don't really seem to understand why you are voting against Barakos. Your vote just kinda happens to land there. After you had scumread and voted against at least two other players.
*shrug* This does not guarantee that you're Scum. It is just what I meant when I told Damdred that Scum Barakos does NOT guarantee Town Rels, either.
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On July 26 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Now a few scummy things noobking did since EOD. 1. noobking attacked my credibility on voting BarakosShow nested quote +On July 26 2015 10:57 n00bKing wrote:
Rels does not belong in that group because he doesn't use any of the clear and specific reasoning seen from the other people in the group. His vote just sorta...ends up there. Which is why I agree that Rels is one of the most likely bussers, if Barakos was intentionally bussed. (More on that later.) But, as TT pointed out in his post, my read-then-vote of Barakos is clearly stated in the thread. So noobking lied when he said I didn't "use any of the clear and specific reasoning seen from the other people in the group."
No, it's not a lie. You didn't use the same kind of clear and specific reasoning seen from the other people in the group. As demonstrated in my previous post.
On July 26 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:2. noobking attacked my credibility as a playerSo, even if he reversed his read, he can still call me a bad player so other people are less inclined in trusting me. Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 11:06 n00bKing wrote:
If I've been warm and jokey, then I wasn't just too friendly with Barakos. I've been friendly with a lot of people. Except Rels. Fuck Rels. :D Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 11:33 n00bKing wrote:
But the content of Rels' posts is still just as terrible, and his version of events during our prior discussions is still just as difficult for me to believe. Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 10:57 n00bKing wrote:
Rels does not belong in that group because he doesn't use any of the clear and specific reasoning seen from the other people in the group. His vote just sorta...ends up there.
"Fuck Rels" does not attack your credibility as a player. Nor does saying that the content of your posts is still just as terrible. I'm not saying "terrible" as in "Rels is awful at playing this game." I'm saying "terrible" as in "Rels sounds scummy." Nor does saying that you don't belong in the group that I've discussed now at length. I'm not excluding you from the group because I disbelieve in your ability as a player. I'm excluding you because your posts about Barakos are not nearly as Town-indicative as the posts from those other players.
On July 26 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:3. Claims his pushing on me makes no sense as scumShow nested quote +On July 26 2015 11:19 n00bKing wrote:
My push on Rels makes no sense at all from a Scum perspective, now that we know Barakos was Scum. If Barakos had flipped Town, then fine. Me wasting all my time chasing after Rels could serve a Scum agenda. But if Barakos and I are both Scum? It does NOT.
You had your vote on Moosy, Ticktock had his vote on Moosy. Sulfurus had Moosy as a scumread, and so did someone else (Breshke, maybe? Not sure right now, and not going to look it up. The important thing is that there was someone else.) The Scum play there is to go after Moosy, instead of giving him the null-to-somewhat-Town read that I did. No one else ever listed Rels as a top Scum suspect. No one else ever voted against Rels. And two players said (in no uncertain terms) that they would not be willing to participate in a lynch of Rels. But I kept at it, instead of taking down Moosy, when all the while, my scumbuddy Barakos is over there twisting in the wind? This is WIFOM. On noobking can WIFOM it all he wants, the way he's pushing me is suspicious.
Yeah, I said my pushing on you makes no sense if I'm scum. Because it DOESN'T. That quote you just posted from me would certainly convince me that I'm Town, if I was playing this game blind, and hadn't already looked at my PM to know for sure.
On July 26 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:4. ruxxar's interrogationShow nested quote +On July 26 2015 14:27 ruXxar wrote:
Sulfurous brought up a curious point though, why did n00b switch his vote from rels to barakos when he thought rels was scummier?
LOL. How in the hell are you going to try and list a post from RUXXAR as something scummy that *I* have done since the EoD? That's not something that I've done, that's something that someone else has done. Did you forget what your post was even supposed to be about? And I have now given a thorough answer to ruXxar's "interrogation" anyway.
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And now, observe as Rels adds a FIFTH self-contradiction to his ever-growing list. How much more proof do you need that someone is having trouble keeping their story straight?
On July 26 2015 18:43 Rels wrote:
Barakos' last post was 16 hours into day 1, so we can assume he accepted his lynch by at most mid day.
On July 26 2015 18:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:That is WIFOM because you cannot prove Barakos went to scum QT and said "hey i am done here, bus me".
On July 26 2015 18:51 Rels wrote:Like you said, we shouldn't assume anything.
His posts are EIGHT MINUTES apart!! In the span of eight minutes, he goes from saying it is safe to make this assumption, to saying that no duh, of course we can't make that assumption.
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On July 26 2015 20:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The post where he says "likely to bus" does not equal "has to be bussed"?
It's basic logic and just not alignment indicative.
Answering questions that have been posed to me with good logic (even if it is basic logic) is Town indicative. As Scum, I would rather provide as little good logic as possible.
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You are in a self confirming spiral Noob. No matter what rels says/does you are interpreting it as scummy
Town contradicts themselves a lot more in my ! experiences than scum does. Its what it is and rayn is correct that we shouldn't assume anything so not sure why rels is scummy for that
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On July 27 2015 02:15 Damdred wrote:
You are in a self confirming spiral Noob. No matter what rels says/does you are interpreting it as scummy
Town contradicts themselves a lot more in my ! experiences than scum does. Its what it is and rayn is correct that we shouldn't assume anything so not sure why rels is scummy for that
tbh everything he posts looks like a spiral.
he gets in arguments that lead nowhere, ever.
there is no single specific argument from him that is cut and clear, everything is just some weird spiral that takes fucking hours to decipher.
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MoosyDoosy is scum because ruXxar says so. Lynch with fire and brimstone.
rayn is town. He’s been active and questioning/interacting with others the most. His intentions are clearly to catch Mafia. The fact that he’s been getting frustrated over others wasting time on him is only a townie point in his favor as there’s no point in tunneling on towns. (cough ruXxar cough)
ruXxar is town because he’s being a dumb like his other newbie game as a townie. The only time where he knows what he’s doing is when he’s Mafia as he knows the alignments then. Otherwise he’s clueless. Everyone else has pointed this out as well so it’s been universally agreed on that he is a townie.
Breshke is town lean. Although he doesn’t post his thought process which is frustrating at times, he does have a solid line of reasoning when he explains it, although it would be better if he posted it more often. My pressure on him only resulted in your standard townie squabble as well which was based off of a misunderstanding about his thought process.
disinformation is town. His filter is clean and he’s working to catch Mafia although he’s not that active. But when he’s posting he posts good stuff. He caught Barakos early on and pushed for his lynch too so he’s a townie.
NocturneMage is a good newbie town. Same as disinformation but a smaller filter. Still puts in decent effort and is a solid town read.
1 scum read and 5 town reads. Everyone else I'm re-looking at.
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Like it looks like he is arguing for the sake of arguing.
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Idk how moosey has a read on Breske but not me.
Though I have reread mages and he's not as bad ad I thought I have a few hang ups though about him.
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On July 27 2015 02:15 Damdred wrote:
You are in a self confirming spiral Noob. No matter what rels says/does you are interpreting it as scummy
Okay, just ONE more Rels post for now, and then I'm done. Promise.  It's almost finished!
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On July 27 2015 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
there is no single specific argument from him that is cut and clear, everything is just some weird spiral that takes fucking hours to decipher.
I feel like everyone of my specific arguments is cut and clear. If there is any one of them that you're having a hard time "deciphering" then just let me know what it is, and I'll make every effort to crystallize it for you.
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On July 27 2015 02:35 Damdred wrote:
Idk how moosey has a read on Breske but not me.
Though I have reread mages and he's not as bad ad I thought I have a few hang ups though about him.
Like what. If you posted I'm reading from 40 onwards so I'm a bit behind. It would help if you re-quote your posts about him or quote some posts about him that are fishy. Or just give what vibe you get from him since we're both tone-oriented. Note that I do have reads on you but my townie circle is what I posted so far.
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Alright, let's put this thing with Rels to bed.
Is everyone ready for the GRAND FINALE? I have to admit, I'm pretty excited. 
So, I had said this:
Obviously, Rels is one of the people that I'll be re-reading before posting the reads list that ruXxar asked me for.
And apparently, I'm the ONLY ONE who re-read his filter, or someone else would have caught this. Don't worry though, I'll do everything myself for the rest of this game, if I have to, until the bad guys can't take it anymore and kill me.
Here's this post from Rels. I normally trim down quotes to keep things shorter and more focused, and easier to read. But I'll quote it in its entirety, just to maximize the context.
On July 25 2015 18:26 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 17:34 n00bKing wrote:
You keep telling people that the "fact" that he prepared his post may not be scum-indicative for them, but IS scum-indicative for you. What I keep reminding you of is that this "fact" is NOT a fact. It's only something you've presented as fact. And when I've challenged you (twice) to explain how those remarks require forethought, instead of just being off-the-cuff instant reactions, you've come up empty (twice).
Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 05:59 n00bKing wrote:
YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING MY POSITION. Read it again.
Never said his remarks required thought. I said he had three different subjects in his first post, which means he didn't post immediatly after writing the first one.
This was confusing to me. I didn't understand how Rels could tell me that he never said the remarks required thought. If I was under the impression that he HAD told me that, then it probably had to come from somewhere. I had meant to go back and check, but then got distracted by other goings-on, and just happened to run across the answer while re-reading his filter for other reasons.
And VOILA, there it was: (again, I apologize for leaving the quote uncut. It's a huge, cluttered mess. But I'm making sure full context is available. The end is the part you want, though. The last post.)
On July 24 2015 18:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 18:42 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:Alright here I go. On July 24 2015 07:08 NocturneMage wrote:
RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet.
ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though.
Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. This first post from NocturneMage seems very prepared to me. And prepared post = scumlean. Why is it prepared ? Let me show you. RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VT claim + fluff about beer. ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though. <= Discussion about something in game. Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. <= Funny remark about host. So three different subjects in first post = prepared post. And prepared post means he may be afraid to post, hence why he prepared it so much. Plus in his later posts there are lots of questions + "i'm a noob" statement. See spoiler for source. It could mean he is mafia doesn't know what to talk about; could also just mean he's newbie and doesn't know what to talk about. So NAI. + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2015 07:22 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
ruXxar stop speaking like that. You're not speaking honestly you're flavoring your tone and what we need is your regular tone. He seems relieved to be town, assuming he's telling the truth, though the poetry makes me think he's more high than he is mafia. Do you think he's mafia? On July 24 2015 07:27 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On a different note, if you tunnel on me again I will make sure you die. Is that alignment indicative for ruXxar? I'm guessing it is if that was a scum game of his? On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. On July 24 2015 07:39 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:34 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. Tell me of your experience with real life mafia. My curiosity is peaked. I played it a lot at parties in uni and in grad school. It was the party game of party games. I also have played a board game called Resistance which is somewhat similar except people don't die but you also do figure out if people are lying or not and try to include them on your team or not and then pass or fail the expedition party. What is your experience with mafia or is forums just it? On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read? I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking? So, ##Vote NocturneMage@NocturneMage: if you're town, I want you to read Flexes' filter, who is also playing his first game. Only two posts, but he already discussed something relevant to the game. If you don't know: in the OP, if you click Flexes' name, you have access to all the posts he did in this thread. Ah, the pre-planned accusation. Classic mafia style. #self-meta. Your prepared argument is non-sense. How are they prepared when #2 and #3 are based on events that happened after the game started? No you don't get it. I'm not saying NocturneMage prepared his post before the game started. I'm saying he thought long and hard before he posted it, instead of being free of mind and posting what he felt. The evidence that he thought long and hard before posting it is the fact that there are 3 different subjects in the post. Then, I'm saying that the fact that he is not free of mind posting his first post may indicate he's mafia.
Simple enough?
Rels wrote: Never said his remarks required thought.
Rels wrote: As you say, each SEPARATE remark is a "off-the-cut instant reaction".
vs
Rels wrote: I'm not saying NocturneMage prepared his post before the game started.
I'm saying he thought long and hard before he posted it, instead of being free of mind and posting what he felt.
OOPS.
So, ruXxar had tried to tell me stuff like this:
ruXxar wrote: Your case on rels is based on a faulty premise.
He already explained what he meant by prepared statement, yet you get stuck in details if his original accusation instead of evolving reads from the post where he clarifies his post.
Well, I will have NO more of that, sir.
Yes, Rels has clarified his posts. And it's gotten him caught in a lie.
So either he is a Townie that is a terrible teammate, and due to his pride and ego, refused to admit to a mistake that he had made, and instead lied about it so he wouldn't look bad...or...he is Scum.
We can have a discussion about why he lied. But the discussion about WHETHER he lied, is OH-verrrr.
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I'm on phone so can't qupte, I was the first person who called Barak out on his post. You even liked that post but aren't town reading me for the same reasons as you are disinformation.
It's reallyvweird
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On July 27 2015 02:42 Damdred wrote:
I'm on phone so can't qupte, I was the first person who called Barak out on his post. You even liked that post but aren't town reading me for the same reasons as you are disinformation.
It's reallyvweird
idk I've never seen you this active before. Whenever you're townie you're always chill and relaxed while throwing out good reads to guide us in the right direction. I also haven't looked at the voting process because it's really difficult to without a separate thread for it. I'll look into it but it's gonna take a while because the voting count is spread across so many pages.
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Yeah I guess Damdred has to be town unless he was busing hard and had to point out that post because it was way too obvious. One thing that bothers me is that you’ve been a bit of an oprah early on with your town reads but I guess they were really obvious although still a bit TOO early.
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I'm not sure how what you are describing is different in any way from here.
I have good town reads early.
I call out scum!barakos
I vote him third but misspell,his name so on the wagon later rather than third.
I continue to have ok reads and try to figure people out.
So what's causing the hesitation when earlier you liked my posts?
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On July 27 2015 02:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yeah I guess Damdred has to be town unless he was busing hard and had to point out that post because it was way too obvious. One thing that bothers me is that you’ve been a bit of an oprah early on with your town reads but I guess they were really obvious although still a bit TOO early.
So you are now knocking me for a post that you say is way to obvious but hard town reading people who pointed out the same things I did after the fact? But only call,me,into question.
You also call me into,question for to early reads but don't look at any of my other games. For example the last game I was in I poed the game within an hour or two though was wrong on rayn and fixed it. In the game we played together I came into the game fast with town reads and hunted through finding town.
So this is a really odd post considering at one point you use one game to say this is how same red acts as town but then say I'm scummy for it now.
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On July 27 2015 02:38 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
there is no single specific argument from him that is cut and clear, everything is just some weird spiral that takes fucking hours to decipher. I feel like everyone of my specific arguments is cut and clear. If there is any one of them that you're having a hard time "deciphering" then just let me know what it is, and I'll make every effort to crystallize it for you.
I mean everything takes so fucking long to argue.
The fact that Rels (even if he was mafia) can actually argue with you for DAYS and NOONE thinks he is scum for what you say should be self-evident. You are doing something wrong, or you are wrong.
On top of that i have absolutely no idea where you stand. Hell i don't even fucking know if you think Rels is your top mafia candidate or if not, who is. I have zero idea what your reads are, you just have big arguments about everything with everyone. I have no idea what your reads are and why. And that's bad.
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On July 27 2015 02:40 n00bKing wrote:Alright, let's put this thing with Rels to bed. Is everyone ready for the GRAND FINALE? I have to admit, I'm pretty excited. So, I had said this: Show nested quote +Obviously, Rels is one of the people that I'll be re-reading before posting the reads list that ruXxar asked me for. And apparently, I'm the ONLY ONE who re-read his filter, or someone else would have caught this. Don't worry though, I'll do everything myself for the rest of this game, if I have to, until the bad guys can't take it anymore and kill me. Here's this post from Rels. I normally trim down quotes to keep things shorter and more focused, and easier to read. But I'll quote it in its entirety, just to maximize the context. Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 18:26 Rels wrote:On July 25 2015 17:34 n00bKing wrote:
You keep telling people that the "fact" that he prepared his post may not be scum-indicative for them, but IS scum-indicative for you. What I keep reminding you of is that this "fact" is NOT a fact. It's only something you've presented as fact. And when I've challenged you (twice) to explain how those remarks require forethought, instead of just being off-the-cuff instant reactions, you've come up empty (twice).
On July 25 2015 05:59 n00bKing wrote:
YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING MY POSITION. Read it again.
Never said his remarks required thought. I said he had three different subjects in his first post, which means he didn't post immediatly after writing the first one. This was confusing to me. I didn't understand how Rels could tell me that he never said the remarks required thought. If I was under the impression that he HAD told me that, then it probably had to come from somewhere. I had meant to go back and check, but then got distracted by other goings-on, and just happened to run across the answer while re-reading his filter for other reasons. And VOILA, there it was: (again, I apologize for leaving the quote uncut. It's a huge, cluttered mess. But I'm making sure full context is available. The end is the part you want, though. The last post.) Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 18:46 Rels wrote:On July 24 2015 18:42 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:Alright here I go. On July 24 2015 07:08 NocturneMage wrote:
RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet.
ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though.
Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. This first post from NocturneMage seems very prepared to me. And prepared post = scumlean. Why is it prepared ? Let me show you. RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VT claim + fluff about beer. ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though. <= Discussion about something in game. Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. <= Funny remark about host. So three different subjects in first post = prepared post. And prepared post means he may be afraid to post, hence why he prepared it so much. Plus in his later posts there are lots of questions + "i'm a noob" statement. See spoiler for source. It could mean he is mafia doesn't know what to talk about; could also just mean he's newbie and doesn't know what to talk about. So NAI. + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2015 07:22 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
ruXxar stop speaking like that. You're not speaking honestly you're flavoring your tone and what we need is your regular tone. He seems relieved to be town, assuming he's telling the truth, though the poetry makes me think he's more high than he is mafia. Do you think he's mafia? On July 24 2015 07:27 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On a different note, if you tunnel on me again I will make sure you die. Is that alignment indicative for ruXxar? I'm guessing it is if that was a scum game of his? On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. On July 24 2015 07:39 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:34 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. Tell me of your experience with real life mafia. My curiosity is peaked. I played it a lot at parties in uni and in grad school. It was the party game of party games. I also have played a board game called Resistance which is somewhat similar except people don't die but you also do figure out if people are lying or not and try to include them on your team or not and then pass or fail the expedition party. What is your experience with mafia or is forums just it? On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read? I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking? So, ##Vote NocturneMage@NocturneMage: if you're town, I want you to read Flexes' filter, who is also playing his first game. Only two posts, but he already discussed something relevant to the game. If you don't know: in the OP, if you click Flexes' name, you have access to all the posts he did in this thread. Ah, the pre-planned accusation. Classic mafia style. #self-meta. Your prepared argument is non-sense. How are they prepared when #2 and #3 are based on events that happened after the game started? No you don't get it. I'm not saying NocturneMage prepared his post before the game started. I'm saying he thought long and hard before he posted it, instead of being free of mind and posting what he felt. The evidence that he thought long and hard before posting it is the fact that there are 3 different subjects in the post. Then, I'm saying that the fact that he is not free of mind posting his first post may indicate he's mafia. Simple enough? Show nested quote +Rels wrote: As you say, each SEPARATE remark is a "off-the-cut instant reaction". vs Show nested quote +Rels wrote: I'm not saying NocturneMage prepared his post before the game started.
I'm saying he thought long and hard before he posted it, instead of being free of mind and posting what he felt. OOPS. So, ruXxar had tried to tell me stuff like this: Show nested quote +ruXxar wrote: Your case on rels is based on a faulty premise.
He already explained what he meant by prepared statement, yet you get stuck in details if his original accusation instead of evolving reads from the post where he clarifies his post. Well, I will have NO more of that, sir. Yes, Rels has clarified his posts. And it's gotten him caught in a lie. So either he is a Townie that is a terrible teammate, and due to his pride and ego, refused to admit to a mistake that he had made, and instead lied about it so he wouldn't look bad...or...he is Scum. We can have a discussion about why he lied. But the discussion about WHETHER he lied, is OH-verrrr.
Okay i understand this.
Rels, please elaborate.
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