On June 18 2015 07:27 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 06:59 Trfel wrote:Wheeee!!! Keep in mind the Day 2 voting analysis I posted here. Analysis of Sulfurus' Filter+ Show Spoiler +Willing to vote for Kickstart early on, suggests that Kickstart is town
Says that he would lynch Damdred
Voted for batsnacks
Rels town
Would lynch Trfel
Vote on Oatsmaster
(final list post ignored due to WIFOM)
This suggests to me that Damdred is town and batsnacks is town, and also Kickstart town. It seems to hint at Rels being scummy. I don't think it says anything about Oatsmaster, because the wagons between Sulfurus and Kickstart were about even at this point. It looked fairly bad for Sulfurus here, so his vote on Oatsmaster isn't very useful (if he was really trying to stay alive, he would have voted for Kickstart, who he was comfortable scumreading). Day 1 Voting Analysis + Show Spoiler +Vote Countbatsnacks (6): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Sulfurus, Rels, Trfel Sulfurus (4): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveofShadow Not Voting: MoosyDoosy, Damdred, scott31337 This is the situation when scott31337 places his vote. He voted for Sulfurus here. At the time of his vote, there was a little less than 20 hours left in Day 1. His vote for Sulfurus here doesn't actually mean that much. There's a lot of time left in the day, and it's likely that many people will switch votes. Still, his vote on Sulfurus leaves batsnacks in the vote lead, and when Sulfurus flips, it makes him look better. The only reason that mafia!scott31337 wouldn't want to vote for Sulfurus here is in case his vote ends up making the difference and he doesn't have an excuse to switch. On June 13 2015 14:45 scott31337 wrote:
He has not laid any of his battraps though, which makes me wonder, he almost always does this as town. He said this to me in BBCode. There's something that he can use as an excuse to switch to batsnacks later. He says this before the Rels wagon started. Vote CountSulfurus (5): Kickstart, batsnacks, WaveofShadow, scott31337, MoosyDoosy Rels (3):: Trfel, Damdred, geriptbatsnacks (3): n00bKing, ruXxar, Sulfurusgeript (2): Rels, Oatsmaster The Rels wagon is gaining steam and the batsnacks wagon is dying. It looks like the lynch will come down to Sulfurus and Rels, and it looks fairly close. Here, scott31337 switched to Rels from Sulfurus, bringing them to four votes each. The reason: On June 14 2015 05:13 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:56 Trfel wrote:Rels' Read Progression- Suspicious of ruXxar early
- Suspicious of MoosyDoosy's first post
- Early suspicions of n00bKing (across multiple posts, vague wording)
- Scumreads Fake)Plants for opening post
- Changes read on ruXxar to town
- Unexplained town reads on WaveofShadow, Kickstart, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Trfel, sort of town lean ish? on Sulfurus, scum leans on MoosyDoosy, geript, and batsnacks
- Says that scott31337 isn't scummy
- Jumps on my suspicion on MoosyDoosy
- List post
- Unvotes batsnacks
- Wants to vote geript, might vote Damdred, could also vote Sulfurus
- Jumps on geript's suspicion of scott31337
Rels is generally throwing around suspicions on everything. His townread on ruXxar changed after it was clear that the push on ruXxar wasn't going anywhere. He's scumreading people already being scumread by others, and multiple times he uses other people's posts to justify increasing his own suspicions of other people. + Show Spoiler [Examples] +Criticizing MoosyDoosy's opening post (geript already did this)
Suspicious of batsnacks (common suspicion), geript (WaveofShadow already said this), and MoosyDoosy (geript)
Agrees with the suspicion I voiced on MoosyDoosy
Immediately asked geript for his reason for being suspicious of scott31337, suddenly is more suspicious of him himself (see my previous post) It seems like Rels is like a leaf in the wind, following thread sentiment, jumping on whatever works. He townreads people who are being townread already, he scumreads people who are being scumread, and only changes when the thread sentiment shifts. The one major departure from this trend is when he townreads batsnacks. He did this before Damdred jumped in. This is a pretty big change in his read, and against the thread sentiment. However, I think that the way that Rels jumps on whatever suspicion is available every other time in the thread is quite telling. I can get aboard this and feeling better then a Sulf lynch - you pulled a lot of work Trfel. You the man! What has he said about Rels before this? On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels (rest of list post omitted) On June 13 2015 07:37 scott31337 wrote:
KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder. Given how his post before switching to Rels, he said this: On June 14 2015 04:11 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 23:03 ruXxar wrote:I'm trying to figure out why people are scumreading sulfurus. I read through his filter and I found nothing to make me read him as either alignment. I went through the voting history to see who voted for him. The kickstart vote was too early to judge for me, so I ignored it. The next one to vote is geript. Reading through geripts filter I get a bad vibe. On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. people should be talking about this. He pointed out that since noone jumped on moosy for this post, then moosy is mafia. This makes no sense to me. To me that post is filled with genuine excitement from a newbie. Seeing as I'm a newbie too i understand all to well how he must've felt in his early posts. On June 13 2015 03:31 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 03:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Geript I don't understand how you go from seemingly town-->scum-->town on moosy without any real change in anything he has done. Not following thought processes with you at all, though I think that actually might be standard for you and it annoys me. Never assumed he was town to start w/ babycakes. Moreso: 1. Moosy makes a god awful post --> I think he's scum 2. No one pushes Moosy --> If he's town I'd expect someone to have jumped on him therefore scum 3. Posts a shit ton --> Probably just nubian with bad opening and mafia afk or otherwise engaged On June 13 2015 05:29 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. Did you look at this post at all? He's commenting about things that don't really matter in a way that he's seemingly had some interesting thought on it. He asks a question that's essentially a statement. He meanders through potentially interesting topics while giving no opinion on anything. Then he plays the dumbtell card. It's a big post that literally offers nothing while commenting on things in a way that confer a formed opinion. It almost can be boiled down to: "I've been thinking about this game, but I won't really comment on it at all. What do you guys think about this random stuff?" I don't see even newer town players do that often. Then he gets into an argument with waveofshadow who also picks up on his inconsistency in alignment on moosy. I can't see his reasoning for voting on sulfurous. Basically he said 2 things about sulfurous: On June 13 2015 03:08 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) This post is pretty bad. and On June 13 2015 05:12 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 04:37 Sulfurus wrote:@geript That's good that you no longer scum read Moosy but Bats hasn't made the same realization you have and you townread two of the people voting on him. So what do you think of him? I'd rather lynch you. Then kickstart says this which aligns with my own thinking. On June 13 2015 06:03 Kickstart wrote:
Went through geript's filter. His move off moosy and onto sulfurus was weird to me. He just said "id rather lynch you" in this thread, then voted in the other thread, and hasn't mentioned it at all. strange. This give me a townlean on kickstart. I still think bats is our best lynch for day 1, but geript has raised a red flag for me. I want to know why he's voting for sulfurus. Why does this just scream "save sulfurus" for some reason to me? It seems like he was preparing to look good for bussing Sulfurus, but left himself an out to vote for batsnacks if necessary, and then decided to join the Rels wagon when he had a chance. This feels rather scummy. Day 2 Voting Analysis + Show Spoiler +Along with Sulfurus, scott31337 voted for Kickstart to bring the wagons to Kickstart with five votes and Sulfurus with six. Despite this being close, it became clear that Sulfurus was going to be lynched, so scott31337 switched votes to Sulfurus. On June 17 2015 06:49 scott31337 wrote:
If Sulf is mafia then I'll look like shit
Trfel is my believer and WoS is my believer they want Sulf dead
Sulf isn't doing shit
Let's go Sulf then fuhq it
And he's well aware that Sulfurus flipping red makes him look bad. I think this is pretty obvious. Read Progression + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 02:08 scott31337 wrote:
Geript has four posts and very little content. I know he's good as mafia - but on the scum side of null for now. He scumreads geript here, but uses the reason that geript is good at mafia to weaken his argument. As a result, he doesn't push this at all (and it would be hard to push geript, because he is a strong player). He also scumreads MoosyDoosy and batsnacks, back when MoosyDoosy was a very easy target and batsnacks was scumread by most people. On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. It makes no sense whatsoever for town!scott31337 to townread Rels for scumreading the person he replaced for his one post. Assuming that scott31337 is town, he townreads Rels for scumreading someone who scott31337 knows is town and was only able to make one (useless) post. There is no reason whatsoever that Rels should get a townread for this. To me, this feels like scott31337 is attempting to pocket Rels, which makes sense given that Rels would naturally be suspicious of him after the replacement. His explanation here adds that he townread Rels for strongly believing this case, but mafia!Rels has no reason NOT to push his case so strongly because he knows that Fake)Plants is town (thus an easy mislynch) and that he almost certainly won't provide strong resistance. On June 13 2015 02:27 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 00:10 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
^ Also Kickstart, I wouldn't read too much into ruXx's initial post where he's rambling about slapping/daydreaming about Mafia. It might have been from an attempt to identify himself as a non-aggressor to the Mafia so that when night time comes around, they don't kill him. If the game went on for longer, people would also suspect ruXx more giving the Mafia an easy kill. This actually happens a ton in real life Mafia but it's clear it's totally different online at this point.
Also, going back to his post where he "misses the interaction" which is right after his rambling, it's pretty clear that ruXx is not paying attention whatsoever. As a newbie he was probably just as excited as I was about remaining passive which is why he didn't notice the err in his post. Just the fact that it seems he has no idea whatsoever about what he's saying during his rambling just shows this too.
I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts. On June 12 2015 11:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yeah, the more I read of ruXx's initial posts, the more it seems he's thinking in terms of a real life Mafia game as well as tryharding a bit.
Him intercepting a question was him tryharding a basic read and him supporting lying is from a real life Mafia mindset since lying is much more common in real life.
The last two posts that you point out are kind of shady but even then they err on the side of newbie to online Mafia. Overall I wouldn't vote him just yet until we get more evidence. Wow moosy. I have to give you 5 stars for this read. It's like you're inside my head or something. I had goosebumps reading this since it was so spot on. You are absolutely right that my only exposure to mafia has been through watching the TI qualifiers hub, and later watching all stars mafia on youtube. I really wanted to emulate the dynamic of a live environment, and went in trying to actively counter some of the things i picked up that a mafia would do. From watching those live mafia games I learned that the number 1 trait of a mafia is to be silent. They would bide their time and look for arguments to bandwagon onto, often avoid getting into heated arguments if possible, and when attacked they would try to deflect onto another person. I admit I am very excited to go out playing my first mafia game, and overracted by claiming my role before day 1 post(I did not know that this was frowned upon). Another thing that I learned is that it doesn't matter if you are mafia or not, as long as you contribute to try solving the case, then it's good to keep people around just in case they are town, because then in the largest portion of games they would be a boon to you as a town. This is Rexxar's best post. The goosebumps part sounds so legitimate and would be extremely creative to fake from the posts he made earlier. Slight town read Slight townread on ruXxar. Then he doesn't mention ruXxar for a while, until: On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -
Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart
Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar Including basically everyone who could be lynched today in the "Could Lynch" category. Again, note that he ends up voting for Rels, despite having included him in the "Probably wouldn't lynch today" category, the only reasons being sheeping me and this post: On June 13 2015 07:37 scott31337 wrote:
KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder. Finally, he's always saying he could lynch geript, without actually pushing it or doing anything about it. When the votes finally switched to geript, and scott31337 switched his own vote to geript, he didn't say anything whatsoever. I need to move on, I'm running out of time, but I'm pretty confident that scott31337 is mafia. + Show Spoiler +OatsmasterDay 1 Reads + Show Spoiler +Day 1 Suspicions:batsnacksKickstartn00bKing (later votes) geriptSulfurus and geriptDamdredDay 1 TownreadsgeriptruXxarn00bKing RelsHe's really not offering townreads, and he's throwing a LOT of suspicion around. This isn't necessarily alignment indicative, as town!Oatsmaster loves to throw suspicion around. However, his stance on Sulfurus is very suspicious. On June 13 2015 11:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
if bats flips town, ill be going after sulfurus.
On June 13 2015 18:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
I would lynch geript if we don't lynch bats. Finally, the voting analysis of Day 1 looks suspicious. He was hard scumreading batsnacks for a very long time, and eventually the votes went to batsnacks at 6, and Sulfurus at 4. Then Rels unvoted, and it looked like the batsnacks wagon was going to collapse. Instead of waiting for Sulfurus (who he already said he would lynch after batsnacks), Oatsmaster stayed around and waited until it looked like there was a good chance of a geript wagon, and then voted geript and went to sleep. While he did townread Rels, he did this before the push on Rels began. This is Oatsmaster trying to save Sulfurus, but not looking bad if he flips. Kickstart batsnacks WaveofShadow Probably TownRels (despite Sulfurus association) MoosyDoosy Damdred Dunno (need to read his filters again) ruXxar Mafia LeanOatsmaster Mafiascott31337 Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 06:59 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Wheeee!!! Keep in mind the Day 2 voting analysis I posted here. Analysis of Sulfurus' Filter+ Show Spoiler +Willing to vote for Kickstart early on, suggests that Kickstart is town Says that he would lynch Damdred Voted for batsnacks Rels town Would lynch Trfel Vote on Oatsmaster (final list post ignored due to WIFOM) This suggests to me that Damdred is town and batsnacks is town, and also Kickstart town. It seems to hint at Rels being scummy. I don't think it says anything about Oatsmaster, because the wagons between Sulfurus and Kickstart were about even at this point. It looked fairly bad for Sulfurus here, so his vote on Oatsmaster isn't very useful (if he was really trying to stay alive, he would have voted for Kickstart, who he was comfortable scumreading). scott31337Day 1 Voting Analysis + Show Spoiler +Vote Countbatsnacks (6): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Sulfurus, Rels, Trfel Sulfurus (4): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveofShadow Not Voting: MoosyDoosy, Damdred, scott31337 This is the situation when scott31337 places his vote. He voted for Sulfurus here. At the time of his vote, there was a little less than 20 hours left in Day 1. His vote for Sulfurus here doesn't actually mean that much. There's a lot of time left in the day, and it's likely that many people will switch votes. Still, his vote on Sulfurus leaves batsnacks in the vote lead, and when Sulfurus flips, it makes him look better. The only reason that mafia!scott31337 wouldn't want to vote for Sulfurus here is in case his vote ends up making the difference and he doesn't have an excuse to switch. On June 13 2015 14:45 scott31337 wrote:
He has not laid any of his battraps though, which makes me wonder, he almost always does this as town. He said this to me in BBCode. There's something that he can use as an excuse to switch to batsnacks later. He says this before the Rels wagon started. Vote CountSulfurus (5): Kickstart, batsnacks, WaveofShadow, scott31337, MoosyDoosy Rels (3):: Trfel, Damdred, geriptbatsnacks (3): n00bKing, ruXxar, Sulfurusgeript (2): Rels, Oatsmaster The Rels wagon is gaining steam and the batsnacks wagon is dying. It looks like the lynch will come down to Sulfurus and Rels, and it looks fairly close. Here, scott31337 switched to Rels from Sulfurus, bringing them to four votes each. The reason: On June 14 2015 05:13 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:56 Trfel wrote:Rels' Read Progression- Suspicious of ruXxar early
- Suspicious of MoosyDoosy's first post
- Early suspicions of n00bKing (across multiple posts, vague wording)
- Scumreads Fake)Plants for opening post
- Changes read on ruXxar to town
- Unexplained town reads on WaveofShadow, Kickstart, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Trfel, sort of town lean ish? on Sulfurus, scum leans on MoosyDoosy, geript, and batsnacks
- Says that scott31337 isn't scummy
- Jumps on my suspicion on MoosyDoosy
- List post
- Unvotes batsnacks
- Wants to vote geript, might vote Damdred, could also vote Sulfurus
- Jumps on geript's suspicion of scott31337
Rels is generally throwing around suspicions on everything. His townread on ruXxar changed after it was clear that the push on ruXxar wasn't going anywhere. He's scumreading people already being scumread by others, and multiple times he uses other people's posts to justify increasing his own suspicions of other people. + Show Spoiler [Examples] +Criticizing MoosyDoosy's opening post (geript already did this)
Suspicious of batsnacks (common suspicion), geript (WaveofShadow already said this), and MoosyDoosy (geript)
Agrees with the suspicion I voiced on MoosyDoosy
Immediately asked geript for his reason for being suspicious of scott31337, suddenly is more suspicious of him himself (see my previous post) It seems like Rels is like a leaf in the wind, following thread sentiment, jumping on whatever works. He townreads people who are being townread already, he scumreads people who are being scumread, and only changes when the thread sentiment shifts. The one major departure from this trend is when he townreads batsnacks. He did this before Damdred jumped in. This is a pretty big change in his read, and against the thread sentiment. However, I think that the way that Rels jumps on whatever suspicion is available every other time in the thread is quite telling. I can get aboard this and feeling better then a Sulf lynch - you pulled a lot of work Trfel. You the man! What has he said about Rels before this? On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels (rest of list post omitted) On June 13 2015 07:37 scott31337 wrote:
KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder. Given how his post before switching to Rels, he said this: On June 14 2015 04:11 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 23:03 ruXxar wrote:I'm trying to figure out why people are scumreading sulfurus. I read through his filter and I found nothing to make me read him as either alignment. I went through the voting history to see who voted for him. The kickstart vote was too early to judge for me, so I ignored it. The next one to vote is geript. Reading through geripts filter I get a bad vibe. On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. people should be talking about this. He pointed out that since noone jumped on moosy for this post, then moosy is mafia. This makes no sense to me. To me that post is filled with genuine excitement from a newbie. Seeing as I'm a newbie too i understand all to well how he must've felt in his early posts. On June 13 2015 03:31 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 03:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Geript I don't understand how you go from seemingly town-->scum-->town on moosy without any real change in anything he has done. Not following thought processes with you at all, though I think that actually might be standard for you and it annoys me. Never assumed he was town to start w/ babycakes. Moreso: 1. Moosy makes a god awful post --> I think he's scum 2. No one pushes Moosy --> If he's town I'd expect someone to have jumped on him therefore scum 3. Posts a shit ton --> Probably just nubian with bad opening and mafia afk or otherwise engaged On June 13 2015 05:29 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. Did you look at this post at all? He's commenting about things that don't really matter in a way that he's seemingly had some interesting thought on it. He asks a question that's essentially a statement. He meanders through potentially interesting topics while giving no opinion on anything. Then he plays the dumbtell card. It's a big post that literally offers nothing while commenting on things in a way that confer a formed opinion. It almost can be boiled down to: "I've been thinking about this game, but I won't really comment on it at all. What do you guys think about this random stuff?" I don't see even newer town players do that often. Then he gets into an argument with waveofshadow who also picks up on his inconsistency in alignment on moosy. I can't see his reasoning for voting on sulfurous. Basically he said 2 things about sulfurous: On June 13 2015 03:08 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) This post is pretty bad. and On June 13 2015 05:12 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 04:37 Sulfurus wrote:@geript That's good that you no longer scum read Moosy but Bats hasn't made the same realization you have and you townread two of the people voting on him. So what do you think of him? I'd rather lynch you. Then kickstart says this which aligns with my own thinking. On June 13 2015 06:03 Kickstart wrote:
Went through geript's filter. His move off moosy and onto sulfurus was weird to me. He just said "id rather lynch you" in this thread, then voted in the other thread, and hasn't mentioned it at all. strange. This give me a townlean on kickstart. I still think bats is our best lynch for day 1, but geript has raised a red flag for me. I want to know why he's voting for sulfurus. Why does this just scream "save sulfurus" for some reason to me? It seems like he was preparing to look good for bussing Sulfurus, but left himself an out to vote for batsnacks if necessary, and then decided to join the Rels wagon when he had a chance. This feels rather scummy. Day 2 Voting Analysis + Show Spoiler +Along with Sulfurus, scott31337 voted for Kickstart to bring the wagons to Kickstart with five votes and Sulfurus with six. Despite this being close, it became clear that Sulfurus was going to be lynched, so scott31337 switched votes to Sulfurus. On June 17 2015 06:49 scott31337 wrote:
If Sulf is mafia then I'll look like shit
Trfel is my believer and WoS is my believer they want Sulf dead
Sulf isn't doing shit
Let's go Sulf then fuhq it
And he's well aware that Sulfurus flipping red makes him look bad. I think this is pretty obvious. Read Progression + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 02:08 scott31337 wrote:
Geript has four posts and very little content. I know he's good as mafia - but on the scum side of null for now. He scumreads geript here, but uses the reason that geript is good at mafia to weaken his argument. As a result, he doesn't push this at all (and it would be hard to push geript, because he is a strong player). He also scumreads MoosyDoosy and batsnacks, back when MoosyDoosy was a very easy target and batsnacks was scumread by most people. On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. It makes no sense whatsoever for town!scott31337 to townread Rels for scumreading the person he replaced for his one post. Assuming that scott31337 is town, he townreads Rels for scumreading someone who scott31337 knows is town and was only able to make one (useless) post. There is no reason whatsoever that Rels should get a townread for this. To me, this feels like scott31337 is attempting to pocket Rels, which makes sense given that Rels would naturally be suspicious of him after the replacement. His explanation here adds that he townread Rels for strongly believing this case, but mafia!Rels has no reason NOT to push his case so strongly because he knows that Fake)Plants is town (thus an easy mislynch) and that he almost certainly won't provide strong resistance. On June 13 2015 02:27 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 00:10 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
^ Also Kickstart, I wouldn't read too much into ruXx's initial post where he's rambling about slapping/daydreaming about Mafia. It might have been from an attempt to identify himself as a non-aggressor to the Mafia so that when night time comes around, they don't kill him. If the game went on for longer, people would also suspect ruXx more giving the Mafia an easy kill. This actually happens a ton in real life Mafia but it's clear it's totally different online at this point.
Also, going back to his post where he "misses the interaction" which is right after his rambling, it's pretty clear that ruXx is not paying attention whatsoever. As a newbie he was probably just as excited as I was about remaining passive which is why he didn't notice the err in his post. Just the fact that it seems he has no idea whatsoever about what he's saying during his rambling just shows this too.
I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts. On June 12 2015 11:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yeah, the more I read of ruXx's initial posts, the more it seems he's thinking in terms of a real life Mafia game as well as tryharding a bit.
Him intercepting a question was him tryharding a basic read and him supporting lying is from a real life Mafia mindset since lying is much more common in real life.
The last two posts that you point out are kind of shady but even then they err on the side of newbie to online Mafia. Overall I wouldn't vote him just yet until we get more evidence. Wow moosy. I have to give you 5 stars for this read. It's like you're inside my head or something. I had goosebumps reading this since it was so spot on. You are absolutely right that my only exposure to mafia has been through watching the TI qualifiers hub, and later watching all stars mafia on youtube. I really wanted to emulate the dynamic of a live environment, and went in trying to actively counter some of the things i picked up that a mafia would do. From watching those live mafia games I learned that the number 1 trait of a mafia is to be silent. They would bide their time and look for arguments to bandwagon onto, often avoid getting into heated arguments if possible, and when attacked they would try to deflect onto another person. I admit I am very excited to go out playing my first mafia game, and overracted by claiming my role before day 1 post(I did not know that this was frowned upon). Another thing that I learned is that it doesn't matter if you are mafia or not, as long as you contribute to try solving the case, then it's good to keep people around just in case they are town, because then in the largest portion of games they would be a boon to you as a town. This is Rexxar's best post. The goosebumps part sounds so legitimate and would be extremely creative to fake from the posts he made earlier. Slight town read Slight townread on ruXxar. Then he doesn't mention ruXxar for a while, until: On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -
Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart
Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar Including basically everyone who could be lynched today in the "Could Lynch" category. Again, note that he ends up voting for Rels, despite having included him in the "Probably wouldn't lynch today" category, the only reasons being sheeping me and this post: On June 13 2015 07:37 scott31337 wrote:
KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder. Finally, he's always saying he could lynch geript, without actually pushing it or doing anything about it. When the votes finally switched to geript, and scott31337 switched his own vote to geript, he didn't say anything whatsoever. I need to move on, I'm running out of time, but I'm pretty confident that scott31337 is mafia. OatsmasterDay 1 Reads + Show Spoiler +Day 1 Suspicions:batsnacksKickstartn00bKing (later votes) geriptSulfurus and geriptDamdredDay 1 TownreadsgeriptruXxarn00bKing RelsHe's really not offering townreads, and he's throwing a LOT of suspicion around. This isn't necessarily alignment indicative, as town!Oatsmaster loves to throw suspicion around. However, his stance on Sulfurus is very suspicious. On June 13 2015 11:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
if bats flips town, ill be going after sulfurus.
On June 13 2015 18:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
I would lynch geript if we don't lynch bats. Finally, the voting analysis of Day 1 looks suspicious. He was hard scumreading batsnacks for a very long time, and eventually the votes went to batsnacks at 6, and Sulfurus at 4. Then Rels unvoted, and it looked like the batsnacks wagon was going to collapse. Instead of waiting for Sulfurus (who he already said he would lynch after batsnacks), Oatsmaster stayed around and waited until it looked like there was a good chance of a geript wagon, and then voted geript and went to sleep. While he did townread Rels, he did this before the push on Rels began. This is Oatsmaster trying to save Sulfurus, but not looking bad if he flips. Kickstart batsnacks WaveofShadow Probably TownRels (despite Sulfurus association) MoosyDoosy Damdred Dunno (need to read his filters again) ruXxar Mafia LeanOatsmaster Mafiascott31337 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu1qa8N2ID0 So the first part, is when I townread Rels, I wrote what I meant incorrectly. I wasn't townreading him for calling out my replacement, I was townreading him even if he called out my replacement. I posted this a little bit later. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 06:56 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2015 06:44 Trfel wrote:[spoiler] On June 12 2015 10:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway Trfel, what makes bats town?
I had a town lean on batsnacks due to the balance between his jokes and serious reads. Since then, batsnacks has been much more serious, and his jokes are few and far between, so this read isn't valid any more. On June 12 2015 10:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
NAI is a new thing lol.
I kinda like ruxxar.
It was really funny that he answered a question not directed at him asking why people shouldnt answer questions not directed at them.
He doesnt do it intentionally to just create content IMO.
(bold added) So if he doesn't do it intentionally, then why is it towny? On June 12 2015 15:03 n00bKing wrote:
It's also worth noting that RuXx purposely furthered the conversation about Town players lying, AFTER he saw that some other players were reacting negatively to what he had said. If a Newbie scum player saw that what he had said was causing some raised eyebrows, he might clam up or change the subject, to get beyond the comment that had raised suspicion, and bury it. Instead, he challenges the people who expressed a contradictory viewpoint, which ensures that no readers who come along later will gloss over what he's said.
You could try to say that he didn't realize it was a controversial statement when he first made it. But even after it was clear to him (based on the posts of other players) that it was a controversial statement, he stuck to it, and called more attention to it. Again, I feel like this is boldness you would seldom see from an inexperienced scum player. This point about ruXxar continuing to press the lying issue is good. I guess I judged ruXxar too early. ##unvoteOn June 12 2015 16:35 Rels wrote:
Hello everybody, GL HF!
I'll read the thread now and comment on things. See you soon. I really don't like this post at all. Posting without having read the thread is useless, the only thing it helps with is making it look like you're doing more work that you actually are, and it detracts from scumhunting. But making a useless post after the investigation has already started is pathetic. On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent. Rels, what about ruXxar's post made you say this? On June 13 2015 01:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't decide now if I think geript and bats could be scum together for this horribleness. Association cases = bad but I can't help it and I THINK it's probably not the case. One of them at least for sure though.
I have no idea why someone as experienced as WaveofShadow would share a potential association case while in the same post acknowledging that association cases are bad. Please explain. On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. Why does calling out the player with only one post, who needs to get replaced, make someone town? Especially because, if you are town, he called out the easiest player to pick on who happens to be confirmed town. I really don't like batsnacks' response to the pressure on him. Batsnacks doesn't normally react like this, he's fine under pressure. In my first game playing with him, I tunneled him for basically all of Day 1 and Night 1, and he made a post telling people to stop arguing about useless things and read the case I had posted on him. I need to read some filters, but batsnacks seems very active, concerned about his safety, but not providing actual content. On June 13 2015 06:42 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 03:28 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 03:25 batsnacks wrote:
I don't know what geripts alignment is... Clearly that guy is 3P. I don't know what 3P means either. Third party. Let me rephrase this since I see what you are saying but I didn't type that properly. Rels made a case on my replacement slot that he believed in, and caught Plants in a "lie" - I saw him a slight town read for believing in his case. I meant more of (even if he is calling out my replacement slot). For the vote, KS was looking a bit better, and yes I was a bit unsure. I only had about 20 minutes. I went with the right decision. I've been scumming Sulf for most of the game - I voted for him day 1 for a tie breaker. I admit, my vote was late and didn't swing what would happen anyway. It's also after sulf flipped I saw what might be coming "inb4 scott bussed sulfurus" - I didn't have much time. Moosy (our dead doctor) saw the above as well, including the vote. As for your townread of Rels, I saw that explanation and I referred to it in my post. Again, there is no reason whatsoever that you would townread Rels as town. Rels' scumread of Fake)Plants was almost all of his filter by the point when you posted this. If not for his scumread of Fake)Plants (which is still what your post reads like to me), what were you townreading Rels for?
As for you scumreading Sulfurus all game, you didn't mention that at all when you switched.
On June 17 2015 06:43 scott31337 wrote:
Grrr I haven't like KS all game - his wall of text isn't that great but it's something....I like who's on Sulfurs better, but the last three times I've used that suggestion, Its because the mafia were on the other side and enough townies on the ML anyway
I'm going with KS.
On June 17 2015 06:49 scott31337 wrote:
If Sulf is mafia then I'll look like shit
Trfel is my believer and WoS is my believer they want Sulf dead
Sulf isn't doing shit
Let's go Sulf then fuhq it
On June 17 2015 06:50 scott31337 wrote:Fuck that Ninja Sulfurus it is I'm not switching again Battraps(tm) You didn't mention any actual reasons that Sulfurus is scummy at all.
On June 18 2015 07:35 ruXxar wrote:Trfel: why do you never read my filter? I feel kinda disappointed that you had no opinion of me  . Sorry, I'll get to you soon enough. Last isn't always least!
On June 18 2015 09:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
K reading through Trfel's scott post in greater detail---I agree with the fact that the amount of time left in the day means the Sulfurus vote doesn't mean a lot on the surface, but you have to consider the mafia mindset. What scummer is going to actively place a teammate in the running when he would previously have been under no threat? Why risk it at that point ESPECIALLY when it's so early? For potential towncred in a situation when we discuss it exactly like this? I would argue the potential towncred gained is no even remotely worth the risk, especially to a typical scummer, not to mention considering he barely discusses sulfurus at all he doesn't deserve a great deal of towncred for that swap to begin with.
The D2 voting analysis is sorta meh, I admit it doesn't make him look amazing but I think D1 trumps this a little. Assuming that scott31337 is mafia, he replaced into the game late, and Sulfurus was one of his teammates. Neither of them had very much thread presence at all. With batsnacks posting so much and being willing to defend himself, even with scott31337's vote pushing batsnacks ahead 7 to 4, the batsnacks wagon was still likely to lose steam. But it does feel somewhat risky from a mafia mindset, and this is EXACTLY why he left himself an out to switch to batsnacks. If the batsnacks train collapsed, scott31337 comes out looking pretty good (smooth bus), and if there's a chance, he could have switched wagons and probably would have been largely unscathed.
Given the way he readily jumped off of the wagon at a potentially key moment, I don't feel like scott31337 put Sulfurus in much additional danger at all on Day 1.
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