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True there is a risk but 1kp is a big deal. He got that kp when I got modkilled anyway. But you said you think we win 9/10 If im not. So if you think he losses 9/10 then from your pov dandred the risk is worth the reward.
Its true tho theres no motivation to scum hunt with 1 mafia and 1 sk. There like as likely to hit each other as we are to find scum which is why I found it super strange you made a tryhard case when no one else did.
In the end tho when you did kill the sk it was enough for me to town read you over others because I would never want to kill him. I was reading everyone town tho I even said that in one of my last posts. Sniff we had a chance sniff sniff
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Eh you can call me arrogant but honestly I felt that once I lynched VE on D2 I had rather high probability to win, modkill on sicklucker or no. Hard to put a number on it but maybe 75%? I am reasonably confident in my ability to not get myself lynched, but I have no control over who VE chooses to shoot, so I didn't think it was worth the risk.
sicklucker your argument about tryharding on D2 doesn't make sense to me. Town isn't allowed to no lynch, so your options are literally lynch a townie or lynch scum. Clearly lynching scum is better lol
Town played pretty well but unfortunately all of the night actions turned out pretty horribly for you guys. Cop got sniped N1. SK and mafia shot 2 separate townies. Veteran claimed on D2 so got no use out of it. I even got town cred for my roleblock.
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Like when coag and kush are in the game. Why do you scum hunt when mafia and sk have something like 33% to hit each other if there not koag or kush. Its like literally the perfect time to be lazy and policy. My read is true and strong and it likely woulda got you since me and dandred always eventually read each other right in everygame we play.
Sorry for not editing that post was still in mafia mode. Also was interacting with dandred in that thread anyway the game literally just ended right after that im sure he saw it instantly.
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Without the SL modkill I think it would of been more difficult to win I think.
I don't think SL lets the thread go crazy inactive, though i'm not sure if NB, Kush, SL, LS combination would of caught you just cause of activity.
You are right though about lynching VE was the best play, everything since roleblock with you bothered me but everyone who was alive told me i was crazy haha. Seriously solid game for you scib
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On December 28 2014 05:47 sicklucker wrote: Like when coag and kush are in the game. Why do you scum hunt when mafia and sk have something like 33% to hit each other if there not koag or kush. Its like literally the perfect time to be lazy and policy. My read is true and strong and it likely woulda got you since me and dandred always eventually read each other right in everygame we play.
Sorry for not editing that post was still in mafia mode. Also was interacting with dandred in that thread anyway the game literally just ended right after that im sure he saw it instantly.
Granted, that whole thing about why i town read you was a huge joke. Poking fun at your slip up. I thought you were town with how active and how jumpy around you were from theory to theory.
I thought you were obvious town after the pressure etc i put on you.
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Also I didnt say we had a 9/10 chance to win I never mentioned how much we win or really thought about it
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Regardless of that slip I feel Ls or dandred were never killing me. Ive also never been mislynched. So your lylo would have been much harder.
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On December 28 2014 05:05 Damdred wrote: Sc played that the way he should of.
But you people in mylo shoudl really be ashamed of yourself that was the worst town perormance at the end i've ever seen. Good freaking job. LXI was better. The only posts made by the players was after they quickhammered Palmar in 45 minutes on LYLO.
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The problem with an SK isn't really balance. Games are just faster, and the SK provides a form of balance with who they shoot.
The problem with an SK is that it takes a lot of power out of the other faction's hands. SK could help town out (if town are mislynching, SK should hit mafia) or help mafia out by hitting townies when things are going bad. But it just means either town or mafia are punished for playing well, and that really really sucks.
anyhoo, thanks for the carry scib :p my team-mates pretty good at carrying me when i'm mafia these days...
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the real case on VE
some reasons why I thought VE was SK on D2. Maybe not all of these are solid evidence, but added all together made me feel confident in writing my first case on him. As the day went on I became more and more confident he was SK. Thought you guys might find this interesting + Show Spoiler +and I wanted to brag a little sorry
I) Process of elimination + Show Spoiler + There were 8 players alive besides me
VE - probably SK kush - no read, but it doesn't seem likely he would shoot robik sicklucker - town read, outside chance he is sk palmar - town read, outside chance he is sk
coag - town read ls - town read damdred - gotta be town bunnies - confirmed town
II) This post + Show Spoiler +On December 17 2014 09:55 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 09:44 Palmar wrote:On December 17 2014 09:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Likewise. Tell me what you think about Robik (besides "I refuse to read him" which doesn't work for me.) I don't know. He said "I am town", so I'm tempted to autotownread him. I am also tempted to try to lynch him just to see how mad he gets and what he says, because it's a useful way of reading him. I really don't know how to read Robik. I've read him with confidence and correctly like once (in that VS game) and that wasn't until day 2. Considering he's claimed mafia as his first act in any game I've ever played with townRobik, I don't like this read either. Are we different alignments Palmar? Seems like a rather cheeky thing that a SK VE would like to say.
III) Stance on marv wagon + Show Spoiler + Somehow, strangely, his approach to the marv lynch mirrored mine, which to me at least was obviously coming from a scum mindset
We both showed no interest in voting marv until Palmar and JAT called for his lynch. Then we both made a post to the effect of "I'm thinking about it"
Then bunnies posted some logic for voting marv. I really wanted to argue with it but I restrained myself. VE did argue with it. I even agreed with his arguing with it
Then both our posts voting him were exactly the same
IV) A bit subdued overall compared to town VE + Show Spoiler + I've only played with VE once, but in that game he was town and had more thread impact. Bunnies and JAT also noted this in this game.
V) Never seemed to care that much who specifically was getting lynched as long as it wasn't him
VI) Reaction to the 3 shots N1 (or lack thereof) + Show Spoiler +On December 20 2014 05:06 Damdred wrote: Vig come and claim
I'm the Vet, i was not shot, theres a serial killer that we have to find as well On December 20 2014 05:07 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2014 05:06 27ninjabunnies wrote: I SHOT BRESHKE.
GET FUCKIN REKT <3 you sweetie pie. Who you think is the SK and who is Scum? On December 20 2014 05:07 Palmar wrote: I completely forgot about there being an sk in the game On December 20 2014 05:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2014 05:07 Palmar wrote: I completely forgot about there being an sk in the game Did you really, or are you SK? Honestly, I thought you would die in the night over JAT or Rob. Im guessing Rob was SK shot? On December 20 2014 05:10 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2014 05:08 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2014 05:06 Damdred wrote: Vig come and claim
I'm the Vet, i was not shot, theres a serial killer that we have to find as well Anyone counter claim Vet? There's no "counterclaims" in an open setup. Just further claims that may or may not make sense in context. Everyone else was like WOW 3 shots. Hm I wonder who is SK bla bla bla. SK SK SK VE didn't show any surprise or interest in SK, which seemed off compared to everyone else's reaction
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On December 28 2014 06:21 marvellosity wrote: The problem with an SK isn't really balance. Games are just faster, and the SK provides a form of balance with who they shoot.
The problem with an SK is that it takes a lot of power out of the other faction's hands. SK could help town out (if town are mislynching, SK should hit mafia) or help mafia out by hitting townies when things are going bad. But it just means either town or mafia are punished for playing well, and that really really sucks.
anyhoo, thanks for the carry scib :p my team-mates pretty good at carrying me when i'm mafia these days...
My back still hurts marv but i still love you
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On December 28 2014 06:21 marvellosity wrote: The problem with an SK isn't really balance. Games are just faster, and the SK provides a form of balance with who they shoot.
The problem with an SK is that it takes a lot of power out of the other faction's hands. SK could help town out (if town are mislynching, SK should hit mafia) or help mafia out by hitting townies when things are going bad. But it just means either town or mafia are punished for playing well, and that really really sucks.
anyhoo, thanks for the carry scib :p my team-mates pretty good at carrying me when i'm mafia these days... Well can't pretend that I didn't wish you had tried a bit harder, but I do enjoy carrying noob teammates :p
Saw your note in the obs qt. Yea idk why I was even considering shooting bunnies lol..
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basically there being an sk allowed scrib to make a legitimate case and look town.
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Yea I feel your guys's pain. I generally hate SK's as well.
Made this game much more enjoyable for me though: I actually got to do some scumhunting and it shortened the game a bit.
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Thanks for hosting FF and thanks for the carry scib sorry i couldn't stay alive longer.
GG all
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Scib I knew you were mafia but I wasn't here for End of Game to make a bigger argument and I need help on making cases T_T GG WP any tips on how to build cases Scib?
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Also why did the entire scum team defended me Day 1? I find it odd they would all defend me then.
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On December 28 2014 08:47 LightningStrike wrote: Scib I knew you were mafia but I wasn't here for End of Game to make a bigger argument and I need help on making cases T_T GG WP any tips on how to build cases Scib?
I wouldn't claim to be an expert but here are two quick tips
1) try to always make sure you understand everything going on in the thread. This involves reading the thread very closely at all times and rereading if necessary. This just helps with everything as both alignments
2) people love to read pretty posts. If you use pretty colors and stuff like - line breaks
- and
- bullet lists
then people are more likely to read it and appreciate what you have to say. But when the formatting is messed up and you have a few rather long paragraphs, people don't want to read it.
On December 28 2014 08:48 LightningStrike wrote: Also why did the entire scum team defended me Day 1? I find it odd they would all defend me then.
I just defended you because I think that is what I would have done if I were town. I assume marv did for the same reason. Can't speak for Breshke but maybe also the same reason. I wouldn't think too much of it.
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Honestly the sudden change from you scib from yesterday at:
LS IS SO TOWN YOU HAVE TO WORK SO HARD TO CONVINCE ME
to
Oh ls is mafia i will insta vote.
Was so mafia itw asn't even funny haha
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