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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 24 2014 09:31 Jutranjo wrote: Any chance for dota TL attack streams? Not going to rule it out! But not with the current staff (since HB is working on ESEX full time and he was pretty much integral to the running of it before.) It'd be great to bring it back one day. | ||
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govie
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On November 24 2014 09:44 Plexa wrote: Not going to rule it out! But not with the current staff (since HB is working on ESEX full time and he was pretty much integral to the running of it before.) It'd be great to bring it back one day. Yeah i requested this shit back in late 2012, early 2013.... requested again late 2013... Same answer and never see any progress. The state of TLDotA right now is volunteers are being drained away as other places actually offer money for quality contents. For lesser quality contents, its much better to publish them over on Reddit to bypass the editorial moderation TL has. Plus the views over on reddit is much much higher anyway. I find myself visit TL less and less often. If anything i mostly visit for the calendar and Liquipedia but hardly ever care for reading forum threads etc... And im not the only one either. Hotbid and sirjolt left for ESEX is one thing, Wax has also left and doing some sort of freelance for ESL. "Burnt out" said Hotbid in his Reddit AMA. Im counting the clock until Heyoka got pulled out by dreamhack or something... To be honest, I dont know what the main cause for TL became less popular is. Some would blame it on reddit as its a much better forum structure and replacing most message boards and news site like TL, ongamers, gamespots. Some could blame moderation rules, admin decision to split the sites etc... An open discussion about direction of the site is definitely needed imo. | ||
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dismiss
United Kingdom3341 Posts
Not like every little scrap of news has its own news post since the split either. LD can't be reddit, and I don't see why it should be. Sure, you could stick up a thread for every little scrap of news there is, but then you're just attempting to replicate what reddit does without having a system to rate the content. Most people will agree that toxic shitposting is not what you want out of a thread and that 420blazeityungleansudokumangix-posts should be moderated. However I fail to see how this leads to the GD population isolating itself from the rest of the forum. People can freely participate, and I can think of only 5 people out of all the hundreds that posted who might have gotten actively discouraged to post there by the rest of its population. (Not that it stopped any of them from continuously doing so either. :D) At worst a new guy posts something stupid, gets laughed at for half a page and people discuss why Tide is an innitiator and not a tank before everything goes back to normal. It's the internet, people are not going to hold your hand and welcome you into a new community simply because there are so many new faces, you'll just have to put yourself out there and engage with the denizens of your chosen corner of this elysian multifariousness. If that's what keeps someone from partaking, the problem lies with them, not all the other people. As a quick discourse, people who didn't like the GD don't need to read it. It contained most of the bad posting and memes it spawned in itself. If someone doesn't like its style, why should it concern them if all they need to do is to not click on it. For example, I think that the US politics thread is an awful, awful thread full of weird Americans and their silly opinions so the only reason to read it amuse myself. Does that mean it should get closed? The tavern is worse because it does nothing better (apart from providing a rough index of what people talked about in the last x amount of time, I guess? Yet it's not even great at that because a threads contents are often not congruent with its topic/OP), but many things worse than the old GD. It's such a hassle to comb through >1 threads, find something you're interested in, and still have a less diverse/interesting discussion because there are fewer people with an opinion on said topic who found their way into a specific thread than there would be if it was talked about in the old GD. The comparison between a honeycomb and a jar of honey seems apt to me. One of them, you just stick your spoon in and eat however much you feel like, the other makes you work to get little bits and pieces. So why can't we have our honey jar back? | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
I will point out, however, that your post actual explains why we rather have a site without it. But let me address some minor points first. First of all, we think LD is different to reddit and we're pretty content with that. The tavern doesn't seek to replicate reddit in the slightest. Second, the youporn example was just one off the top of my head. I don't recall every instance of this happening, but it certainly was an issue. Third, your comparison to politics megathread isn't quite right. This is because we're not a politics website, but if (god forbid) we opened an american politics site then we'd need to axe that thread so foster discussion on the site. Lastly, your preference to have everything in one thread vs spread out of a forum is a subjective fact and will differ from user to user - obviously with how much you care about GD you prefer one thread, I'm not sure everyone would agree with that. Now here's the big thing. Your solution to people not liking GD is for people to not post/visit the thread. But if so much of the community is being discussed within this one thread then anyone who chooses that option gets alienated from the site. This effect is magnified by the first observation that news and other novelties were discussed in GD over their own threads. Opting out of the thread shouldn't have to be a choice that people need to make to have a complete forum experience. | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19343 Posts
Lastly, your preference to have everything in one thread vs spread out of a forum is a subjective fact and will differ from user to user - obviously with how much you care about GD you prefer one thread, I'm not sure everyone would agree with that. you could make a poll to prove that, just saying  | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 24 2014 12:04 icystorage wrote: you could make a poll to prove that, just saying Well it also feeds into my argument that if everything were in one thread, and people were forced to opt out of it, that that is bad for the forum overall. Point is, GD in its previous inception isn't something that we can bring back. | ||
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Dubzex
United States6994 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 24 2014 12:09 Dubzex wrote: What is preventing LD from returning to TL with filter options for calendar swapping and news articles? Filters suck. We did a lot of research on it and the stats came back that people were not using them and/or they were confusing. Since that vast majority were not filtering (be it for lack of knowledge or because they didn't want it) it meant that the front page was massively stressed out and the sidebars massively bloated. There's a lot more than we can do with a dedicated site like this... but as I pointed out in my first post that hasn't materialised for a few reasons. We're still confident that this site will live up to our vision for it in time, its just taking longer than we would have liked! | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9487 Posts
On November 24 2014 12:09 Plexa wrote: Point is, GD in its previous inception isn't something that we can bring back. No one is disagreeing with this. From a post in another girl blog ![[image loading]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/vqgSO8_cRio/hqdefault.jpg) | ||
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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
For example, listing the streams of people like Ler and Comeh, both of whom stream pretty regularly is significantly better than listing the stream of 'random gurl #87 who happens to play dota.' On November 24 2014 13:46 CorsairHero wrote: No one is disagreeing with this. From a post in another girl blog + Show Spoiler + Because just because you all don't understand how a forum works doesn't suddenly mean that GD would be any less redundant. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 24 2014 13:46 CorsairHero wrote: No one is disagreeing with this. From a post in another girl blog Well the issue is that the changes proposed (more or less greater moderation) don't really address the issues I raised about content overlap. If we want to have a place where general dota questions can be asked then we can facilitate that (but obviously, that's going to be very different to what GD was and it isn't going to satisfy those who called that thread home). (Of course there is simple qna but I guess for esports stuff a thread could exist?) | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 24 2014 13:50 LeLoup wrote: Seriously speaking, one thing that I would personally want to see is more emphasis on the community members that stream. I think that the best way to do this is to firstly separate the Teams and Players section into two subsections. One for Teams and the discussion about them, and then have the second for individual players. The individual players section would act as a stream threads section as well, allowing users here to advertise their streams, as well as would have a listing and discussion of featured streams on the site. Then maybe we could get rid of a number of the random streams that are listed on the sidebar (because, seriously having over 10 viewers is the dumbest requirement for that. I have no idea who half these people are and even less desire to watch the overwhelming majority of them). For example, listing the streams of people like Ler and Comeh, both of whom stream pretty regularly is significantly better than listing the stream of 'random gurl #87 who happens to play dota.' That's actually a really neat idea. | ||
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
On November 24 2014 13:50 LeLoup wrote: Seriously speaking, one thing that I would personally want to see is more emphasis on the community members that stream. I think that the best way to do this is to firstly separate the Teams and Players section into two subsections. One for Teams and the discussion about them, and then have the second for individual players. The individual players section would act as a stream threads section as well, allowing users here to advertise their streams, as well as would have a listing and discussion of featured streams on the site. Then maybe we could get rid of a number of the random streams that are listed on the sidebar (because, seriously having over 10 viewers is the dumbest requirement for that. I have no idea who half these people are and even less desire to watch the overwhelming majority of them). For example, listing the streams of people like Ler and Comeh, both of whom stream pretty regularly is significantly better than listing the stream of 'random gurl #87 who happens to play dota.' Because just because you all don't understand how a forum works doesn't suddenly mean that GD would be any less redundant. This is actually really cool and I hope it gets implemented edit: and comeh is on Demon's stream right now lol | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9487 Posts
On November 24 2014 13:53 Plexa wrote: Well the issue is that the changes proposed (more or less greater moderation) don't really address the issues I raised about content overlap. Not really a concern since anything in GD is a casual chat (that can change direction quickly) where if someone wants to discuss something in a more focused manner, they would make a new thread. GD: "oh fuck i got dropped in my game for some reason." then Yango replies or something Tavern thread OP "Due to a memory in dota where the PA Arcana exposes some backdoor exploit drop hack or w/e blah blah blah reference reddit somewhere cause people are faster there" | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 24 2014 14:19 CorsairHero wrote: So you're really asking for a casual chat thread Not really a concern since anything in GD is a casual chat (that can change direction quickly) where if someone wants to discuss something in a more focused manner, they would make a new thread. GD: "oh fuck i got dropped in my game for some reason." then Yango replies or something Tavern thread OP "Due to a memory in dota where the PA Arcana exposes some backdoor exploit drop hack or w/e blah blah blah reference reddit somewhere cause people are faster there" still, with the last inception being a casual chat thread how do you make it different so that it doesn't fall into the same problems? The option of 'just making a thread' existed while GD was active yet it wasn't actively pursued by people. | ||
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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
Obviously it would have to be a bit stricter than the GD thread was, but I think that it's probably one of the only real missing pieces that should be brought back. That is unless we want to open up the Tavern to include other things besides just Dota talk. | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
On November 24 2014 14:51 Jinxed wrote: What if there was a thread in Tavern for non-dota talk? I mean, other than that I don't really think anything is missing from tavern (again, learn to forum pls) and it would be nice to have a place to talk about non-dota things with people who do share similar interests. Like for example the CS:GO stuff that happened, and things like that. Obviously it would have to be a bit stricter than the GD thread was, but I think that it's probably one of the only real missing pieces that should be brought back. That is unless we want to open up the Tavern to include other things besides just Dota talk. I'm about to take an exam but i want to +1 this | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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