anyone who agrees with OP is a moron.
YOU KNOW WHO THIS MAN IS? He is Neil fucking DeGrasse Tyson. He is probably one of the smartest men in astronomy right now.
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Rev0lution
United States1805 Posts
anyone who agrees with OP is a moron. YOU KNOW WHO THIS MAN IS? He is Neil fucking DeGrasse Tyson. He is probably one of the smartest men in astronomy right now. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On October 19 2007 08:42 Sensation wrote: Show nested quote + On October 19 2007 08:18 Mimi wrote: this is like the oldest 'news' in the world.... in other news the chinese are pretty short, did you know? Excuse me "hagi", you have some SERIOUS issues with misunderstanding people if you think I'm 'trying to be smart' with the above comment and that it warrants a ban. You are accomplishing NOTHING by banning people over such rediculous and flippant things and are often so close to the border of banning people for the wrong reasons that you are overstepping this border more often than many people feel you should be. You're Mimi? Your comment was inappropriate and out of place. Haji said right away that this thread was to be kept civil and you decided to act like a shithead. Follow the rules ok? | ||
OctoPuSs
Canada5279 Posts
It's pretty obvious that the guy generally ignored all possibility of LIFE shaping a human being and assumes the person is who he is from birth - gay, stupid, beautiful. Well someone can definately be all those things from birth. Homosexuality is another topic as it doesn't have much to do with biology, but one can definately be born with a lesser intellectual capacity then another. I find this topic actually really interesting because not so long ago, we had a similar local controversy where a psychiatrist (Dr. Mailloux if you live in QC) claimed on prime time T.V that black people were born intellectually inferior to white people. Of course everyone jumped on the racism bandwagon without even learning more about it. He was seen as an racist elitist and got his right to practice removed for that incident. It's just interesting that it pops up somewhere else! Also I find it quite funny that even in science, where scientists are supposed to show skepticism but not let any values cloud their judgement through the scientific method, argue against that theory by calling that Nobel prize winner a racist and dismiss his findings. I'm not saying I agree with him, nor do I support him. But he posed an interesting subject that is WAY TOO taboo in our society. People of certain regions are taller, shorter, stronger and the list goes on... Is it so hard to imagine that perhaps it's possible that a certain blood-line could have reduced intelligence compared to the rest of the world? I don't think it is that far of a stretch. | ||
Thegreatbeyond
United States287 Posts
Africa was shaped by bad circumstances at the wrong time. | ||
Jklhfdas
Brazil29 Posts
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pyrogenetix
United Arab Emirates5090 Posts
we are different. you have to face this fact. people who say that we are all equal perhaps want to oversimplify things and not want to go into lengthy conversations with people who are not able to grasp that concept. it is said by politicians to gain votes. it is said by parents to make their children less violent. being non rascist is politically correct and i absolutely agree that a person should not be judged by the color of their skin but by their ability. however, being rascist is very different from recognizing the differences between different races (or which ever category it should be, species, family, kingdom...). asians tend to be shorter. caucasians are taller. people with darker skin are more tolerant to direct sunlight. an asian person's body is more suited for extracting calcium from fish and vegetables whereas caucasians are more suited for dairy products. even the average penis sizes for different peoples are different (i am not 100% on these things but i read them somewhere) we have come to recognize the differences between us but we have still yet to touch upon the topic of genetic intelligence. why? because it causes too much hassle. it is much easier to sweep it under the mattress and say that we are all equal, than to grudge and debate, where the people will be more driven by their own emotions than logic. the outcome will surely be unpleasant for someone (as is being labeled the race with the shortest average penis) i do not and would not look down upon others because they are of a race less intelligent than the race i am. however i will not pretend that the difference is not present. i will help them in any way i can, much the same as i help the elderly across the road, offer the pregnant woman my seat and bring a little happiness into a group of orphans. i do not pretend that the person is not old, nor that the woman is carrying a load and is in need of a seat, nor that the orphans are missing a great deal of support in their lives. however i do look down upon the people who wince when they see mentally retarded persons, or try to look as if they do not see a blind person in need of help. i just dont like people who try to be "the peace-keeper" and say that we are all equal, that countries are actually not negotiating taxes, tariffs and immigration everyday, that america did not invade iraq for oil, that china is not going around to all the oil rich countries for the oil or that global warming does not exist. it is all real and happening and we need to wake up in this decade or the next. | ||
gg_hertzz
2152 Posts
On October 19 2007 08:50 Jklhfdas wrote: Well... I don't want to get involved in this talk of intelligence being determined by ethnicity because it makes no fucking sense, but please do know that Watson and Crick are largely considered as having stolen data from other researchers who were independently looking into the DNA structure. They just published it first. That is how I've always heard the story, from independent professors. Why do we need to 'know' this? As much as I think that the comments of this expert scientist to be coming from a place of ignorance, you're putting a pretty damning fact out there that is coming from the same place. If you don't have proof that he stole it, please don't state that you have 'independent' sources. It doesn't matter if you have sources or not, if you can't provide then don't say anything. You're no better off than he is. | ||
chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On October 19 2007 08:50 OctoPuSs wrote: Show nested quote + It's pretty obvious that the guy generally ignored all possibility of LIFE shaping a human being and assumes the person is who he is from birth - gay, stupid, beautiful. Well someone can definately be all those things from birth. Of course! But would you agree that life experience can also have a major effect on people's intelligence, appearance, sexuality, etc etc? | ||
Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
On October 19 2007 08:43 Last Romantic wrote: There've also been studies showing that blacks do worse than whites on bar exams, even with same schooling. While it seems quite racist, the empirical evidence does back Watson's statements. Let's use blacks vs Asians as comparison. People don't get angry by the fact that there is no affirmative action in pro sports. So why does there need to be AA in other fields? The best and most qualified should get the job in every possible discipline. So black people are better American pro sports than yellow people. I can deal with that. But don't then say that black people are also just as successful in tech/intel/sciences as yellow people, because then you've asserted dominance. It's a horrible double-standard. It's not to say that all blacks are more athletic than all Asians - just most of them seem to be. The other comparison - that Asians are more scholarly - is also not absolute. The trend simply points that way. Yeah I have to agree with this. If you say Asians are genetically inferior in sports there is no controversy and there is no racist outcry. The double standard is horrible. | ||
berated-
United States1134 Posts
On October 19 2007 08:48 Rev0lution wrote: this thread should be closed. anyone who agrees with OP is a moron. YOU KNOW WHO THIS MAN IS? He is Neil fucking DeGrasse Tyson. He is probably one of the smartest men in astronomy right now. I think I understand where you are coming from but you are totally missing the point of what Dr Watson is saying. He never once said that black people don't have the ability to process intelligent thoughts. Even if he did say that one cannot discount the presence of anomalies. Overall I would say, as someone has already mentioned, that historically black athletes have dominated track and field. However as of right now the best 400 runner is white and the best 110 m hurdler is chinese. Does that change the fact that black athletes have dominated track and field sprints? No not at all, they are merely exceptions to the rule. Regardless, for him to make a claim like this is totally off the wall. However one cannot say that he is totally misguided. None of us know what type of research he has performed and what numbers he is tossing around. I don't in anyway think that his research would prove what he said, but once again we don't know the entire story. | ||
Rev0lution
United States1805 Posts
I would avoid this study if the experiments were made with IQ tests. I think anyone could score a 160 on IQ if they were raised "correctly" | ||
DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
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MPXMX
Canada4309 Posts
What does it matter? NOBODY is living up to their potential. Black people seem to be able to reason quite well. It doesn't matters whether he's right or not, it's just that his subject is insignificant, and he's an unenlightened prick for putting time to research this and publicize this shit, regardless of how much he knows or how much DNA analysis he can do. | ||
yubee
United States3826 Posts
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thedeadhaji
39470 Posts
Nobel laureate biologist Jim Watson apologized "unreservedly" Thursday for stating that black people were not as intelligent as whites, saying he was "mortified" by the comments attributed to him. "I cannot understand how I could have said what I am quoted as having said," Watson said during an appearance at the Royal Society in London. "I can certainly understand why people, reading those words, have reacted in the ways that they have." "To all those who have drawn the inference from my words that Africa, as a continent, is somehow genetically inferior, I can only apologize unreservedly. That is not what I meant. More importantly from my point of view, there is no scientific basis for such a belief," Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/10/18/nobel.apology/index.html from ChoboPeon | ||
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