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On May 22 2014 05:54 bkqyrldp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 05:52 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2014 05:49 bkqyrldp wrote:On May 21 2014 12:33 layabout wrote:On May 21 2014 11:55 Cephiro wrote:On May 21 2014 11:50 Holyflare wrote:Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone? this is the part of your case where you assume something completely wild and out of the blue cephiro that is so off tangent to the original question that it doesn't make sense and then the rest of your case is entirely based off of this How is not considering the possibility of someone voting on you being scum completely wild? She literally ignores the possibility of me being scum voting on her, as proved by her own thought process. They were my first posts in the game and I instantly pressured/attacked her. And she didn't even think of the possibility of me being scum. Like literally, all her responses screamed that I was town to her. There is no way she could be that sure I am town by just exchanging a post or two with her by that stage. Care to elaborate on your reasoning why it's a completely wild assumption and debunks the whole case? Her posts are logically consistent and represent a reasonable approach to the game particularly for a new player - not wanting to call people scum before you are confident or have had enough time to make an argument that is worth consideration by others. Her tone is generally good and her posting is on the productive side as far as the thread goes. However Your point that she does not consider that you are scum voting for her is significant. She immediately talks to you as if she thinks you are town which is not the typical reaction to being voted for. The interpreting your vote as a mafia read could just be how ninja uses language but it also suggests guilt. And that is my opinion on you case. Pls shoot people that post like austin's hula stuff, it's tempting to go with gut scum reads but town kp is our only way to effectively deal with that crap and in large games the tone of the thread and proportion of inactives and shitposters has a ridiculous impact. I like this post. I'd like to hear more from laya. I'm curious what you like about it? As far as I see it, this post says this: First para: She is not suspicious Second para: She is suspicious Third para: This is my conclusion (she is suspicious and not suspicious) Fourth para: Shoot austin who has barely spam posted but posted 2 pictures. I actually think the post is terrible for paras 1-3, because it basically just says yes and no without actually coming to a conclusion himself on tamb's alignment. I actually like the first paragraph more. But it shows someone trying to figure out the game. 2nd para I disagree with, but still shows a natural thought process. I'm not saying laya is town for sure but I would like to hear more from him before I decide if I want to lynch him. Now can you tell me about the 3 I asked you about?
It doesn't show that at all, it shows someone totally unwilling to take a stance and using a lot of words to avoid doing so.
I think I already mentioned a couple times I found austin suspicious.
ritoky I've had to recheck, his first read posts was extremely weird, his 2nd post not so bad, but that's been everything, which by default makes him somewhat suspicious.
I don't see jampi as the type of player who would be aggressive like that as mafia, but this is just a random judgement call that may be wrong. Also I don't really want to lynch him because I know he quit TL Mafia because it was a big pile of poo 
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On May 22 2014 06:07 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 06:03 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2014 05:46 bkqyrldp wrote:
Austin needs to stop enabling this stupid RNG discussion. And HF needs to stop pestering sqrt who is likely towny.
People on top of my lynch list currently are jampi ritoky and austin. I'd like marv HF and fool to comment on those 3 for me. And austin in case you are town you can start doing something useful and comment on the other 2. oh yeh, why is ritoky in your list? austin i would probably lynch today if push came to shove wayyyyyyyyyyyy too much focus on this bh rng thing even though he's claimed blue Where did this happen?
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Sao my data plan is barely letting me type words and you Dinnae want me know what page that was?
SSON you think I am sum owe something? Forget it curse f Alakaslam will protect me because I am town; if I was scum most likely you could get me lynched but still wouldn't t. So for now like help me be not shut poster and explain better if you dot want me to see page it is on
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On May 22 2014 05:55 kushm4sta wrote:i think hapa is scumm because the below plus his case on valeris (or w/e) look like scum cases. Very surface level, generic, uncanny familiarity with what scum do. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:25 Hapahauli wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ok Valenius can wait. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=33#650This is the scummiest post in this thread by far. It is extremely long, and could not be more useless. He's making a show of contributing to the town without actually providing anything in the way of analysis. There's nothing constructive posting one's "reads" in this manner. It's just a giant mind-dump with a bunch of quotes - a format that no one could possibly pick any useful information out of. On top of it, the actual content of the post just shits and shits on random things that players have said in the game. It's a very common type of post for mafia to make, and I'd like to see this guy dead. ##Unvote
##Vote mtanburini Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:50 Hapahauli wrote:On May 21 2014 11:43 27ninjabunnies wrote:
See, I don't find tamburini's post all that bad.
Sure it was only focused on certain people, one of them including me, but its nt unlikely for him to include me specifically in his reads because we play video mafia together.
Some of his reads were pretty good, and I like it questioning, though I completely agree some of it was filler. The problem with his post isn't necessarily that every little bit of info is terrible. The problem is the presentation and scope. Firstly, it's almost designed to be the least efficient/effective way of communicating one's reads/information. When a townie finds someone suspicious, they are generally direct about it "I find <xxx> town, and <yyy> suspicious, for <zzz> reason." However this post is just a clusterfuck. His reads are buried in the middle of irrelevant banter, and hell he changes his mind on reads of the course of his post! The post is not designed to be helpful - it's designed to be massive and showy. Ergo, he's trying to appear like he's contributing without actually contributing. Secondly, the scope of the post is just a mess. He just finds random things in the thread that he doesn't agree with and is really snarky about them. That's a really common mafia tactic - to find a bunch of things to critique/shit-on in the thread. It gives the effect of making one appear to contribute, when in reality, nitpicking several posters is generally easy, creates paranoia, and serves no real constructive purpose to actually finding mafia.
Ok, that's kind of interesting and not completely what I was expecting
I think Hapa is capable of such cases as town though
I'm reasonably wary of Hapa because although his posts mostly look ok, the *impetus* that I'd expect from a townHapa isn't quite there. Couple reasons
a) he is mafia
b) he is town and
1) he hasn't played in a long time
2) he doesn't know hardly any of the players
3) the thread is a clusterfuck and it's hard to have impetus in such a thread
tbd!
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Blazinghand
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On May 22 2014 05:29 austinmcc wrote:
The value of how A scumteam interacts with the RNG. We can lynch scum and have other possible scumteams be entirely on board here, less...associative value, less ability to read people as part of one team.
This isn't QUITE spaghetti yet.
No, I totally get that. People vastly underestimate the value of post-RNG lynch analysis. Think of it as a contrapositive to the zephirdd rule. It's got the same backbone of solid reasoning but the same honey-laced exterior that draws bad attacks. Wagon development for an RNG lynch doesn't need to be pure RNG. I'm sure there's plenty of people who want to lynch Odin now for reasons unrelated to RNG. When he gets lynched, some of them will mention or not mention RNG, and that gives us info. I'd go into more detail but I don't want to ruin it. Surely you can see what I see here, right?
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On May 22 2014 06:13 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 05:29 austinmcc wrote:
The value of how A scumteam interacts with the RNG. We can lynch scum and have other possible scumteams be entirely on board here, less...associative value, less ability to read people as part of one team.
This isn't QUITE spaghetti yet. No, I totally get that. People vastly underestimate the value of post-RNG lynch analysis. Think of it as a contrapositive to the zephirdd rule. It's got the same backbone of solid reasoning but the same honey-laced exterior that draws bad attacks. Wagon development for an RNG lynch doesn't need to be pure RNG. I'm sure there's plenty of people who want to lynch Odin now for reasons unrelated to RNG. When he gets lynched, some of them will mention or not mention RNG, and that gives us info. I'd go into more detail but I don't want to ruin it. Surely you can see what I see here, right?
What kind kid blue you claim bh
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Blazinghand
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On May 22 2014 06:15 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 06:13 Blazinghand wrote:On May 22 2014 05:29 austinmcc wrote:
The value of how A scumteam interacts with the RNG. We can lynch scum and have other possible scumteams be entirely on board here, less...associative value, less ability to read people as part of one team.
This isn't QUITE spaghetti yet. No, I totally get that. People vastly underestimate the value of post-RNG lynch analysis. Think of it as a contrapositive to the zephirdd rule. It's got the same backbone of solid reasoning but the same honey-laced exterior that draws bad attacks. Wagon development for an RNG lynch doesn't need to be pure RNG. I'm sure there's plenty of people who want to lynch Odin now for reasons unrelated to RNG. When he gets lynched, some of them will mention or not mention RNG, and that gives us info. I'd go into more detail but I don't want to ruin it. Surely you can see what I see here, right? What kind kid blue you claim bh
The specific details of my blue claim I won't reveal until after N1 is over. I will tell you though, I am [blue]Isaac{/blue]
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Marv, do you think that mafia in this game is going to avoid taking stances in most subjects? Unless the person being talked about is coincidently on his team, mafia in this game can contribute normally like a towny does. I believe a better way to find mafia is catching them when they fabricate a stance or feign some behavior to coast by.
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On May 22 2014 06:13 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 05:29 austinmcc wrote:
The value of how A scumteam interacts with the RNG. We can lynch scum and have other possible scumteams be entirely on board here, less...associative value, less ability to read people as part of one team.
This isn't QUITE spaghetti yet. No, I totally get that. People vastly underestimate the value of post-RNG lynch analysis. Think of it as a contrapositive to the zephirdd rule. It's got the same backbone of solid reasoning but the same honey-laced exterior that draws bad attacks. Wagon development for an RNG lynch doesn't need to be pure RNG. I'm sure there's plenty of people who want to lynch Odin now for reasons unrelated to RNG. When he gets lynched, some of them will mention or not mention RNG, and that gives us info. I'd go into more detail but I don't want to ruin it. Surely you can see what I see here, right?
Oh an d BH before I am out if reception is there NK reason tambo is scum vs Odin or is it pure info for RNG?
Sprint 1x three dot and expiring the loading circle is really slow
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Blazinghand
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On May 22 2014 06:18 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 06:13 Blazinghand wrote:On May 22 2014 05:29 austinmcc wrote:
The value of how A scumteam interacts with the RNG. We can lynch scum and have other possible scumteams be entirely on board here, less...associative value, less ability to read people as part of one team.
This isn't QUITE spaghetti yet. No, I totally get that. People vastly underestimate the value of post-RNG lynch analysis. Think of it as a contrapositive to the zephirdd rule. It's got the same backbone of solid reasoning but the same honey-laced exterior that draws bad attacks. Wagon development for an RNG lynch doesn't need to be pure RNG. I'm sure there's plenty of people who want to lynch Odin now for reasons unrelated to RNG. When he gets lynched, some of them will mention or not mention RNG, and that gives us info. I'd go into more detail but I don't want to ruin it. Surely you can see what I see here, right? Oh an d BH before I am out if reception is there NK reason tambo is scum vs Odin or is it pure info for RNG? Sprint 1x three dot and expiring the loading circle is really slow
I'm not voting for tambo, I'm voting for Odin.
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Read layabout, mtam, ritoky, bkq, jampi.
Of any note, mtam seems like, if she's mafia, she'll out herself just by posting and attitude. Newbie games are super energetic, playful, declaring herself the town leader, a bunch of posting stuff and ending with "inb4 ____ posts". If the playfulness or involvement isn't there/declines, seems like a decent tell.
More than anyone else right now I like ritoky for mafia. He's got like 2.5 posts, that are PURE reads, and the majority of the reads are super inconclusory/wishy-washy/say nothing.
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On May 21 2014 13:38 ritoky wrote:
1) 27ninjabunnies talks a whole lot about herself. I am kinda gonna sheep tamburini's reads on bunnies. I read a post and I am neutral, then I read the next one and I find it defensive and with 1 million I's in it, which puts me off. Then I read the next one and I am back to neutral. Idk, it just leaves me a bit skeptical because last game I played with her she was oozing town out of her pores it was so obvious, and the fact that I don't have that feeling right now gives me pause and concern. That said, she is contributing and typing seriously which is significantly more than most people (including myself) have done thus far. Neutral, town, neutral. Skeptical because she "oozed town" last game, but notice how his read was never SCUM. If someone oozes town one game, and doesn't the next game, you don't conclude they're town/neutral, you conclude they AREN'T town at some point. But there's absolutely no calling of scum, just...neutral/pause and concern.
2) I find the people who were highly opposed to the RNG lynch on day 1 questionable. Especially those who said things along the lines of "I think I am better than RNG". I think if you say that on day 2 you can sell me quite a bit on it, as I would not be in favor of an RNG lynch on any day after day 1. Usually there is enough information to make singinifcantly informed guesses by that point in the game. But when you say something along the lines of being "better than RNG" on day 1, it makes me think that you have more information than I do. Which very likely means that you are scum. Throwaway RNG comment. People who think they can do better than RNG must have outside information, they're mafia. Not "people scumhunt and think their suspects are mafia, and prefer to lynch them." This is an altogether curious statement for me, I can think of reasons to like/dislike RNG, but finding people who dislike it scummy SOLELY because they think they've found mafia or CAN find mafia is...no bueno.
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Volunteering here is some minor plus points, but ... the statements themselves are negative points.On May 21 2014 15:15 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 14:58 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 14:57 Alakaslam wrote:On May 21 2014 14:49 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 14:48 Alakaslam wrote:On May 21 2014 14:43 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 14:40 Alakaslam wrote:
I am sort of but not long. Just finished making the newbie sorry kita IS geript right? Why is he wrong? Do you have reads on Yellow? Hf/Steve? Austin aka ABBA? Cephs case on bunnies? Bunnies case on thrawn? He isn't because I am town and sometimes I feel like reading the game to further enhance my trolling/joking around and because I do actually enjoy thinking about whether or not something is alignment indicative. KK can you answer the other stuff if you're reading  What other stuff? On May 21 2014 14:43 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 14:40 Alakaslam wrote:
I am sort of but not long. Just finished making the newbie sorry kita IS geript right? Why is he wrong? Do you have reads on Yellow? Hf/Steve? Austin aka ABBA? Cephs case on bunnies? Bunnies case on thrawn? This wasn't directed at me, but I just got back and noticed a decent segue for me to give input on this as well. re Yell0w: To me, his play is very much similar to the last game he played. He bumbles and fumbles with the details sometimes but overall I read his intentions are fairly pure for now. I don't necessarily think that because he contradicted himself that makes him mafia, it could just be bad VT play or forgetting what he said. He even admitted he contradicted himself, which is uncharacteristic of scum imo. Usually scum would be more concerned with keeping their story straight and their ducks in a row so early on. re HF/Steve: I think a lot of that is predicated on reads from previous game experience with eachother, which I don't have with them so I can't say. re Austin: null re Ceph on bunnies: I think it is the most substantive accusation out there right now; that said I don't like all of the substance. I think bunnies has a ton of redeeming qualities and has done quite a bit to drive conversation so far, however as I said previously and as Ceph pointed out she seems very defensive in some posts and concerned with self image which is offputting for me. So for now I have her in a neutral area. re Bunnies on thrawn: I think she is trying to shove a square peg in a circular hole. I think she is pushing a stubborn and conservative player who doesn't like making accusations until there is enough substance to make them into making an accusation before he is comfortable. As of now I like thrawn more than bunnies because he chose deliberately to not force out a read or flimsy accusation and stuck to his guns. However, that comes with an asterisk; that asterisk being that when he does talk, if it comes off as sheepish, parroting, or flimsy; then he is probably scum trying to blend in with the current of votes. And just because someone (can't remember) seemed to think my read on waveofshadow was odd. I would say to you: read his filter. I find that he seems to be asking for a lot of information without giving anything back and either ignoring productive talking or actively avoiding it in a lot of cases. Much of what he says is jokes and non-committal responses. He could just be playing trolly VT during day 1, but I read it as more scummy. Essentially, ritoky volunteered to call a bunch of people null.
Yellow's play is similar to the last game they played, his intentions are "fairly pure", there's some "I don't think he's mafia there", but if you have a minor meta read on the guy AND you think his posting this game is kosher, I'd expect something more townie. There's no "He's TOWN" pop. It's just "I don't think he's mafia for this." HF/Steve are no reads. I'm null. Bunnies is null, Ceph has the fattest case but he doesn't like the meat, and that says nothing about Ceph. Thrawn is town but with an asterisk, and the overall read is "thrawn is null, and will be town or scum depending on how he presents reads later." That whole post just comes to very little in the way of actual conclusions, it's ritoky volunteering to give thoughts, reads, but all his thoughts and reads come down to "I don't really know" for the most part (yeah, not all, hyperbole, suck it).
COMPARE DAT SHIZ TO RITOKY'S LAST NEWBIE in which he was town.
His posts have like...strong reasons. He even has an example of him being unsure on someone's alignment, directly talking to them, giving reasons, and looking like he's trying to figure something out without just saying "Maybe x or maybe y." It's a big difference imo.
Specifics - + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2014 11:58 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 10:46 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
It's early stages, let's just fool around. I am not particularly a fan of this post, and a lot of the subsequent posts by sqrt. I understand that this is day 1 and information is at an all time low, but encouraging fooling around and then continuing to do so after some legitimate discussion has begun rubs me the wrong way. I also read Epishade's comments as deflective and dismissive. Unlike Bunnies and like you Epishade I am not convinced that yell0w is scum at all, but you seem to want to say "it's a joke, move on". I disagree, I think bunnies is right to apply pressure and see a response. It seems strange to me that you seem to want to simply move on before legitimate response has been explored. I dislike THIS POST and THIS POSTER. I have read and looked at your posts, and HERE IS WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, YOUR MINDSET HERE. On April 29 2014 12:14 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 12:07 Epishade wrote:On April 29 2014 11:58 ritoky wrote:On April 29 2014 10:46 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
It's early stages, let's just fool around. I am not particularly a fan of this post, and a lot of the subsequent posts by sqrt. I understand that this is day 1 and information is at an all time low, but encouraging fooling around and then continuing to do so after some legitimate discussion has begun rubs me the wrong way. I also read Epishade's comments as deflective and dismissive. Unlike Bunnies and like you Epishade I am not convinced that yell0w is scum at all, but you seem to want to say "it's a joke, move on". I disagree, I think bunnies is right to apply pressure and see a response. It seems strange to me that you seem to want to simply move on before legitimate response has been explored. Sqrt screwed around a bunch at the start on the other newbie mafia games too, so that's not out of the ordinary for me. I think Bunny is pushing too hard for a comment made in jest. I may be wrong, and Yellow may be scum, but it seems to me that Bunny loaded that question against Yellow, and then when Yellow answered truthfully, that contradicted his comment he made before that was made in jest. I think Bunny could have just been aiming to paint Yellow in a potential scum-light, but then Yellow joked that "you caught me." Bunny decided to roll with it and vote for Yellow right then, as an easy way to get rid of someone quickly with the first lynch. Really? Because to me, it seemed like bunnies was looking for 1 of 3 things to happen: 1) yell0w to get hyper defensive (which didn't happen) 2) yell0w to counter with aggression (which didn't happen) 3) or someone to deflect for him (which did) I don't think yell0w is scum right now at all, he responded how he responded. It wasn't ideal, but he is sticking to his story saying it was a joke and I don't read him as hyper defensive about it. But you seem to be very pushy about this entire topic and very heavily deflecting for him. It could just be a legitimate read and belief that it is a joke, but you could also be mafia deflecting for another mafia or mafia trying to deflect/pocket a town who faced early pressure. For the most part I simply don't like how you seem to want to move on from what I think is the only real substantive thing happening right now. Not wanting more information and more reads and more reactions tends to be a scummy thing. Super explanatory about thought process. What he thinks Bunnies was looking to do re: yellow, and actively pushing at Epishade for what he's doing, saying that the thing being done is scummy. On April 29 2014 13:52 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 13:44 Epishade wrote:On April 29 2014 13:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:On April 29 2014 13:07 Epishade wrote:On April 29 2014 12:51 27ninjabunnies wrote:On April 29 2014 12:47 Epishade wrote:On April 29 2014 12:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:On April 29 2014 12:39 Epishade wrote:On April 29 2014 12:25 Eden1892 wrote:
@Epishade: What's with your 180 here? Seems abrupt to me. How did you go from "loaded question, aiming to paint Yellow in a scum-light, easy way to get rid of someone quickly with the first lynch" to "just digging for information" off the first post?
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##VOTE: Epishade I had it in my mind that Bunny was attempting to get an easy 1st day lynch by making a bad accusation against Yellow. When I said that her actions against Yellow gave me a scumread, you said you didn't agree with me there. Ritoky also suggested that Bunny was getting information from Yellow, instead of trying to kill Yellow with the lynch. I thought that Bunny was pushing too strongly for very little reason, and that looked like scum behavior to me. Ritoky said that she was probably digging for information, and I thought that that was actually a pretty justifiable reason for her behavior. I changed my opinion on Bunny mainly from Ritoky's post, but you also disagreeing with my scumread made me think I might be wrong about the situation. I certainly didn't want to continue forth with Bunny being a scumread when you guys had changed my mind about her aggressive posting. I appreciate you taking into consideration others' read on me. But I would like to ask something. Why do you assume Yell0w is an easy d1 lynch? I thought that your attacks on him were spot on, if not for the fact that what he made at first was in jest. I was thinking others would disregard this fact and bandwagon onto the first scummy looking person to lynch day1. Although this new post from Yellow I'll admit is kind of weird. The fact that everyone is reading his response as "in jest" is weird to me. How can you tell? Because I couldn't. Also, no one BW that. Could be mafia not wanting to bw on their partner? Still doesnt explain why you think that he is an easy d1 lynch. "So this sqrt guy sure seems to enjoy talking, so he's probably mafia." You didn't think him just bluntly stating that sounded at all like a joke? I know nobody BWed it, but I didn't think Yellow was scummy at all to begin with (before he made his recent post that is. Idk what to think of that). I didn't want to lose a potential town for making a joke IF people had started to bw against Yellow. I guess, as you say, you didn't think what he said was a joke. You thought he slipped up, while I thought you were attacking him because he was the first suitable person to attack based on his "slip-up." I wasn't sure how far you were willing to take it to make Yellow look bad (but as I now figure from seeing others reactions, you were probably just getting info), and I thought you were attacking him too strongly for nothing. That was what gave me my initial scumread on you. Then others convinced me otherwise that I was probably looking too hard into your attack and I don't have that scumread anymore. Okay, I see what you are saying here. But no, I don't think him bluntly saying that is a joke. And here are my reasons. 1. I'd say it just to get a reaction. Like if I say, oh, tamburini is mafia for wanting to be leader (which I blatantly said, yet no one defended or deflected off of that like they did on yellow). I got more of a reaction to my questioning of Yellow than I did with tamburini, which is why I went further into questioning on yellow. 2. I wanted to see what Yellow thought to my questioning, to see if we had the same read on sqrt. Because here is why. There are two types of mafia imo: The ones who lurk, and the mafia who tend to want to be the first to talk or talk the most. I wanted to see what Yellow read into Sqrt, as if he was thought Sqrt was the latter mafia. I guess we just had different interpretations of what he said, leading us to have different conclusions over how to handle it. I thought it was a clear joke and nothing more, but since you saw differently you attacked him. I didn't think the attack was warranted and that's when I got my initial scumread on you etc. I've posted my reasoning before. See, that makes sense to me; but what doesn't make sense to me about your reaction is that you wanted the entire convo to simply go away/end. Which is why I read you as deflecting off of yell0w. If what you're saying is true, and you had a different view of the situation that led you to a scum read on bunnies; then why didn't you push hard back on bunnies? To me you read less so as accusatory toward bunnies and moreso as let's stop talking about this. It also seemed to me at the time, that you were setting yourself up in a bit of the "I told you so" position if yell0w ended up being a mislynch, which I also didn't like. But you have come around a bit for me, the openness in your change of opinion bought you back some credit for me, but I am still now sold on you as town, especially if yell0w appears any more mafia than he currently does when he comes back and starts typing. THIS is the biggest difference post for me. He says Epi was reacting incorrectly, doing something mafia might do. So he's poking, he's talking, he is TRYING TO FIGURE EPI OUT by chatting with him. At the end, there's a CLEAR conclusion, even if it's nullish. I thought you were mafia for this before, now my opinion is changing because of this. You've come back to neutral, and you will move based on this following thing. Compare that version of "you're neutral right now" to the summary neutral statements in the current game. He's interacting directly, he's got clear ideas of what his read on someone WAS, how what they're doing now is changing it, and where they go in the future. It's not mush, it's trying to figure someone out. GO READ THE FILTER YOURSELVES YA LAZY FOLKS. BUT HERE'S A CHUNK OF READS FROM THAT GAME On April 30 2014 05:26 ritoky wrote:
Well I feel awkward right now, since from what I can tell my reads as of now are contrary to the vast majority of people.
tamburini: I don't understand the majority of the hate in regard to tamburini. He declared himself the lead of the town with his first post, which you don't have to agree with and I certainly don't; but it places spotlight on him. From that post forward in the entire game he will be under a microscope, so either he is that confident in his scum play or has nothing to hide. As of now, I have no reason to believe he has anything to hide. I personally believe that if he is scum trying to insert himself into the leadership role that he will run himself into the ground eventually. However, what I don't get is why everyone dislikes his reason for voting on yell0w. Personally, with my read on yell0w, I think tamburini is mistaking scum for just bad play; but I wouldn't be opposed to lynching yell0w. To me, tamburini's point is that town should be concerned primarily with locating and lynching scum, and yell0w's primary concern was appearing town. Appearing to be town is mafia's job, not town's.
epishade: I have red flags all around epishade, and have for a while. I don't really like many of his reads at all, but before that happened he was deflecting hard for yell0w and trying to kill conversation. There are 22 pages in this thread and a lot of it is predicated on the conversation that epishade didn't want to even happen. As I said earlier, his posts read more genuine and open which buy back some of the scum feel, but my gut says otherwise.
bunnies: I have a fairly neutral read on bunnies as of now, leaning town. She is pushing discussion along, which increases the volume of information available (the opposite of what epishade was trying to do before) and to me is a town thing to do. I think what bunnies is doing is useful for town, which gives me a town read; but I am simply wary of people getting behind her on a BW, which will put her back toward neutral a bit for me until there's more to go off of.
yell0w: For me, yell0w reads odd for me. Almost as if the game started at 50mph and yell0w was still going 30mph. I think his joke response was neither here nor there for me, but I liked his conviction in defending it when pressured. Then he seemed to be overly concerned with perception and since then has given a lot of info that is piggybacking off of someone else, so he is moving back down my list. Wouldn't be opposed to a lynch.
sqrt: I don't know if it is a stylistic thing or what, but there's something weird here. Lots of prods, short comments, and question asking, not much in the way of legwork. Combine that with the lack of seriousness early on and it just strikes me as all very odd. I don't read him as projecting town in any way; whereas most other people I can read town aspects to what they do and say. There are DIRECT conclusions. Even where things are mushy (bunnies is neutral but leaning town), there are clear statements. I think bunnies is maybe TOWN for THIS. He's actively calling people particular alignments, which, to me, was lacking from his summaries in this game.
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On May 22 2014 06:16 bkqyrldp wrote:
Marv, do you think that mafia in this game is going to avoid taking stances in most subjects? Unless the person being talked about is coincidently on his team, mafia in this game can contribute normally like a towny does. I believe a better way to find mafia is catching them when they fabricate a stance or feign some behavior to coast by.
that's what mafia do, buddy. It's not a conscious decision.
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ritoky. Yes. I don't know why I am ignoring him.
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On May 22 2014 06:13 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 05:29 austinmcc wrote:
The value of how A scumteam interacts with the RNG. We can lynch scum and have other possible scumteams be entirely on board here, less...associative value, less ability to read people as part of one team.
This isn't QUITE spaghetti yet. No, I totally get that. People vastly underestimate the value of post-RNG lynch analysis. Think of it as a contrapositive to the zephirdd rule. It's got the same backbone of solid reasoning but the same honey-laced exterior that draws bad attacks. Wagon development for an RNG lynch doesn't need to be pure RNG. I'm sure there's plenty of people who want to lynch Odin now for reasons unrelated to RNG. When he gets lynched, some of them will mention or not mention RNG, and that gives us info. I'd go into more detail but I don't want to ruin it. Surely you can see what I see here, right? You were so focused on the %s that I was trying to see where this would go, whether you were also thinking about multi-faction stuff affected the other value and other reasons to possibly RNG lynch.
As far as going into detail, plenty of people wanting to lynch OOP for reasons unrelated to RNG, no...I don't FULLY see what you're getting at. Your posts where you call OOP scum for his response and his posts started to read like mild lunacy so I passed them over. I'd rather have substantive posts from you, like the above discussion or like stuff unrelated to RNG, like how ritoky looks or how kita looks to you.
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Then flavor is really ironic
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See I am your best buddy sir
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So I'd be down with a layabout lynch but I'd much prefer Val. His big post was complete shit as it established no reads and falls into my old favorite category "contributing without contributing" which for those who have not played with me and heard me harp on it is where scum make great big posts about how they feel about certain people but by the end you realize you didn't learn anything new and they were either rehashing what others had said or wishy washy calling people town.
Also BH, I need you to repeat after me "I am not as good at mafia as I think I am."
Do that three times, get up from your computer spin around counter clockwise, spit over your left shoulder and sit down.
Also ya'll are some spammy motherfuckers, steve and co. are making me wish I had a gun.
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