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On April 29 2014 07:32 geript wrote:
ok I fully approve of someone shooting Ceph full of holes.
And you think anyone cares about your approval?
If you think I'm bad for not providing what I could, then why are you even bothering posts like this one I just quoted? Hardly a serious post with a goal to achieve something. Should we lynch you for not doing everything 100% all the time?
Maybe.... think outside the box. Or stay in that small, dark, narrow area of yours, and rage at everyone whose flashlight in search of the lost person actually hits the target.
Putting it nicely: What do you lose if I don't go 200% SCUMHUNT KILL PRESSURE LYNCH mode on D1 where with very little information and lots of players it's likely to be a mislynch anyway?
You really don't. I agree there's no reason to wait for someone to provide content for too long, but you can clearly see I'm involved. Thus does it really hurt you that bad to wait a little? Maybe I have reasons for doing what I do. Or, maybe I'm just bad, or scum, or don't give a fuck?
Figure which is more likely.
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The OP only has Day Vigi as a kill power role (besides america), which indicates to me that we don't have normal vigis/NK roles. People should read. There are variations, but the fact that "Day Vigi" is the role and not "Vigi" means MAYBE no NKs. If you ARE townie and DO have a shot, I don't think you should be using it. Wait for more info.
Geript, why do you dislike that post of Cephiro's? You can add general Cephiro-is-mafia stuff for flavor, if you'd like, but why do you want Ceph shot in response to that post?
On April 28 2014 12:59 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 12:56 prplhz wrote:
@fool did you check the cell mini mafia cephiro meta or were you too lazy? I will when it becomes a more relevant issue (focusing on snb and oats right now). I assure you I haven't forgotten. That means later tonight or tomorrow (real-life tomorrow not game tomorrow) before someone throws a fit at me for ignoring it. On April 29 2014 06:34 Foolishness wrote:
Or maybe what really happened is that a bunch of townies pushed a lynch onto another townie and the mafia sat back and watched it all happened. This is even more likely given that there wasn't ever that hard of a push against anyone else (the Oatsmaster case never got the traction, though to be honest I would probably lynch him). Foolishness, come on down. You're the first contestant on "What colors showed up in Oats's PM and why were they red?" In the lightning bonus round, you get to answer the question "Why should we be lynching oats tomorrow instead of anyone else?"
Sandroba, do you really think Foolishness is the lynch tomorrow? Why Foolishness over oats?
Wave, what is "oats being oats"? I know you can do "x being x" for some folks, but I don't know what parts of oats's filter you think are him being him, rather than any kind of alignment stuff. Could you separate out (if possible) things that *I* think are relevant to oats's alignment into things you think are oats being oats and "other stuff"? NOTHING I've seen has made me want to back down from this at all, so let's chat and you either convince yourself one way or another or convince me or whatever. (Also, Sandroba is very very very unlikely to be mafia)
Slam, did you follow people's reactions to your shot well at all? Regardless of whether that's a yes or no, you know your own alignment, you know you shot someone and maybeprobablydefinitely should not have, especially if you actually hadn't read his recent posting, so I would <3<3<3 you looking through REACTIONS to your shot for what you find scummiest/towniest?
Odin, I would <3<3<3<3 (even one more than slam can get) if you would try and focus on anything and everything that is NOT claims/shots/rolecrap during D2 (and for anything else you post N1). People softclaimed and hardclaimed and did crap and I'd much much much rather lynch people who do stuff that is SCUMMY than people who claimed something or shot someone or whatever. If you're town, you didn't seem to be sure of oats OR snb yesterday, and we need town people to have reads and know who they want to lynch. If town, you seemed distracted by claims/shots and crap, looked like more thought going into that than whether the leading candidates were town or mafia, and that ain't good for us. Please please. If you're mafia, none of that applies and plz concede.
Ace, you were "not sure" of Oats but scummier on Oats than SnB. You're Foolishness's phone-a-friend for "Why should we lynch Oats tomorrow over anyone else, including Palmar." Ring ring. He's stumped and needs your help answering.
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Oh look I have a post left.
Man if I were scum I'd be so happy to be in this game. I think my name has been mentioned/people have talked to me like twice.
Don't really blame people though cause I feel exceptionally unless this time around
Take palmar off scumlist, mebbe add Oats? Though a lot of first day choices come down to town v town so hmm
Also should look at vote analysis
Scum don't vote together D1 if they can avoid it for the most part so I'd look at where votes were before the mad scramble for consolidation started...? I think I'm speaking about when Oats and snb we're it'd at 8
I think VA could be scum this time around---looks like he's trying to be more useless (town VA) now after being called out for being try hardy early (Scum VA)
Though I'm not sure what it means if we both voted sandroba. Probably doesn't mean anything other than he wanted to put his vote somewhere his scu m buddies weren't. Also pretty convenient of him to drop hammer. And none of that 'if I were scum I wouldn't drop hammer' shit cause there are a ton of people who would
I'll be around after deadline to talk if anyone cares about me caus I won't be dying tonight, ill be around till we lose at endgame
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Last post of tonight, good night.
@geript: Don't fall for the provocative nature of my messages please. It's a thing that comes naturally when I want to argue/debate about something with someone, as human tend to be most honest when emotional to my experience.
Just.. give it a chance.
Still want to be recruited into the mason group.
@ All:
Things you shouldn't do:
1) Donate posts to me (I won't be around to use them)
2) Go full retard (Never go full retard)
3) Kill me (Just not worth it.)
4) Many, many things which you should be clever enough to figure out yourself since you're playing in this game.
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Ceph sounds really whiny.
Austin, everything you put in your case is me not mentioning caller/nuke/palmar. Not bad considering it happened 12h before my post. I already read it, made my conclusions and moved on. Absolutely no point bringing it up again. Thats totes scummy. Geript obviously stopped his tunnel because palmar didnt die, not cause of a sick case on someone else. This is townie because faking a shot and fucking off gives even more eason To push caller. Ive said this already and you just keep twisting things to suit your own narrative that im so super scum.
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On April 29 2014 07:57 austinmcc wrote:
1/5
Geript, why do you dislike that post of Cephiro's? You can add general Cephiro-is-mafia stuff for flavor, if you'd like, but why do you want Ceph shot in response to that post?
Ceph has been lurking and hasn't taken any realistic stance on anything this whole game. Apparently he finds the people who were on the SnB wagon scummy, but he never talks about it. Apparently, he's got ok reads or something but doesn't want to contribute until halfway through day 3 where there's no longer a good chance of a mislynch (bullshit). He hasn't bothered trying to look town. He hasn't try to push good lynches. He hasn't done shit. He's a decent player and the last time he was a shitty lurker like this he was mafia. I see no reason to expect him to derivate from his shitty lurker status or provide something useful to the game. So I want him dead with a capitol DED.
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On April 29 2014 09:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ceph sounds really whiny.
Austin, everything you put in your case is me not mentioning caller/nuke/palmar. Not bad considering it happened 12h before my post. I already read it, made my conclusions and moved on. Absolutely no point bringing it up again. Thats totes scummy. Geript obviously stopped his tunnel because palmar didnt die, not cause of a sick case on someone else. This is townie because faking a shot and fucking off gives even more eason To push caller. Ive said this already and you just keep twisting things to suit your own narrative that im so super scum. Geript says NOTHING about the nuke, waits 2.5 hours, and THEN changes his vote to SnB after Koshi posts a case on SnB and Geript likes Koshi's case, mentions coming around on Koshi, and mentions finding SnB scummy.
The reason Geript changed his vote was:
Nuke stuff
Koshi made a case on SnB that Geript liked
At the very least, they're jointly involved, and based on the fact that the vote change is RIGHT after Koshi's SnB stuff and the vote post is 100% about Koshi/SnB, I'm going to go out on a gigantic limb and say that Geript has other reasons for moving his vote. It's not even that he was "tunnel"ed on Caller, he posts why he wants Caller dead, votes Caller, and has been talking about Koshi and other crap as well.
You've said things I think are false, or said things I don't think explain anything you're trying to explain. So far, no dice on being not-scummy. I WOULD like you to contribute and do stuff though, because towards the end of D1 you half-sorta-ish defended yourself and then peaced out.
On April 29 2014 09:31 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 07:57 austinmcc wrote:
1/5
Geript, why do you dislike that post of Cephiro's? You can add general Cephiro-is-mafia stuff for flavor, if you'd like, but why do you want Ceph shot in response to that post?
Ceph has been lurking and hasn't taken any realistic stance on anything this whole game. Apparently he finds the people who were on the SnB wagon scummy, but he never talks about it. Apparently, he's got ok reads or something but doesn't want to contribute until halfway through day 3 where there's no longer a good chance of a mislynch (bullshit). He hasn't bothered trying to look town. He hasn't try to push good lynches. He hasn't done shit. He's a decent player and the last time he was a shitty lurker like this he was mafia. I see no reason to expect him to derivate from his shitty lurker status or provide something useful to the game. So I want him dead with a capitol DED.
Snooglewoogle,
How many people didn't try to push good lynches/didn't take realistic stances on anything/much? Also, the very fact that his response to who would you shoot is "Nobody" grants him MINOR town points in my eyes, but the fact that he then writes a treatise on WHY he doesn't want to shoot anyone and why he should be masoned and why the earth is round and why he really doesn't want to shoot anyone just reeks townie to me. Scum can say ANYONE they'd shoot with reason --> Palmar, Caller, Sandroba, Foolishness, Me, Oats, Slam, scum has any number of answers with reasons at their fingertips. Instead of saying who he'd shoot, he says he doesn't want to kill people (which yeah, scum can say), and then he spends years explaining himself. Scum that go with the "nobody" option don't spend that long trying to explain it, imo. I think you're 100% off base.
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Dear snooglewoogle. I will take your points under consideration. I would still shoot him personally, but that's easy to say because I don't have a gun. Also, I get what you're saying about Oats. I just disagree. Please pretend they're both town... who do you shoot then? If I assume they're both town, then I'd shoot Plammer for playing dota. Or Foolishness. He seems weird too.
ps. I'm not your snooglewoogle; you're my snooglewoogle. You have to come up with a different name for me. It's how the game works.
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On April 29 2014 11:02 geript wrote:
Dear snooglewoogle. I will take your points under consideration. I would still shoot him personally, but that's easy to say because I don't have a gun. Also, I get what you're saying about Oats. I just disagree. Please pretend they're both town... who do you shoot then? If I assume they're both town, then I'd shoot Plammer for playing dota. Or Foolishness. He seems weird too.
ps. I'm not your snooglewoogle; you're my snooglewoogle. You have to come up with a different name for me. It's how the game works. You shoot nobody.
If you're compulsive, you have two choices:
(1) Still shoot oats. Cuz we'd just be pretending, and pretending don't change things, and you want to be 1000000% sure. There's also minor added value to shooting oats, in that multiple people have posted about votes/vote switching, and votes matter a lot more when we know the alignments of BOTH snb and oats. People who want to draw conclusions from votes atm are silly, I think, because they don't know whether this was town/scum or town/town, and it's likely mafia behavior is slightly different depending on what scenario we were in.
(2) Not foolishness. Whatever sandro may say, I don't want to gun down suspicious Foolishness on N1. He's not infallible, he's suspicious, but I think shooting Foolishness N1 because he's weird/suspicious is a bad idea. Like ... rando shooting yamato towards the end of D1 bad idea.
(3) Heavy superlurkers. Gumshoe superlurking doesn't say anything about his alignment, but it would be nice to get rid of ?s early, and I'd rather get rid of ?s than non-oats-s.
(4) Possibly Koshi but don't shoot Koshi.
I LIED ABOUT THERE BEING TWO CHOICES.
Also, because you used a semi-colon, I'm willing to come up with a different name for you, and you can be Pookie Pie.
Look look I won't shut up here's oats stuff. I'm going to keep trying to say this in a clear manner and not muck it up.
Oats votes Geript becauseOn April 26 2014 22:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
No, trading 1 for 1 is dumb and stupid for scum either way.
Firstly, Caller knows that this shit is totally not helpful for scum especially with no flips. Its way better to claim nuke and say its for a double lynch then nuke and nobody knows whether that dude was scum or not but caller gets cred. Thats just 1 example. Also, it doesnt even take Palmar out of the game and since Palmar's self-professed day 1 is his best, its arguably a waste of a nuke when palmar leaves his super sick list of scum. Caller had no idea what/how palmar would react to this.
Geript not seeing this and masking this lynch as a policy lynch is really bad, especially with the dude with the most votes not being able to shoot so thats a totally better policy vote/lynch than caller who has already shot. Its a 'townie' reaction but its not actually a townie reaction, lynch that shit.
Oats does not think Geript is policy lynching Caller. Oats thinks Geript is PRETENDING to policy lynch Caller, and really just wants a mislynch. Pretending to be policy lynching while seeking a mislynch is NOT townie behavior, it's scummy behavior. The MOTIVES and geript's REACTION are scummy, therefore he's scum, therefore oats votes him.
On April 28 2014 01:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
man wtf yamato why are you derailing a lynch and not proposing anything else you useless bastard.
For the record, I am totes fine with SnB lynch and I now think that geript is not scum because he dropped his policy lynch. Which he had arguably more reason to continue with
##unvote
##vote SnB
Im going to sleep, kill scum guyys pls.
Oats didn't think Geript was policy lynching. Oats's REASON for voting Geript was that he was SAYING he was policy lynching while really just seeking a mislynch.
The actual location of the vote was not the issue. The motives were. The motives don't change, Geript did a thing that Oats found super scummy. Geript moving his vote has NO impact on his motives, on what he did, blah blah. Moving a vote should NOT unscummify Geript. If there's ANYTHING to unscummify Geript, it's that Oats thinks mafia Geript would continue to push Caller, despite Oats thinking it's a terrible idea to push Caller ever this game.
This is NOT a logical change in read. Geript was mafia because of motivations and faking a policy lynch. When Geript unvotes, it doesn't remove that stuff, therefore, the read should be the SAME, or at the very least, the no more push should be BALANCED/CONFLICTING with the faking of a lynch, not "now Geript insta-town." If Oats is being truthful about his reads, he shouldn't be changing his mind based purely on the location of Geript's vote. Therefore, Oats is not being truthful about his reads; he's just making 'em up.
It's not just not talking about what I think he should have been talking about. It's not just not going after Palmar when he was anti-town on Palmar for reasons that aren't ever gone but apparently he just doesn't care about Palmar for the next billion hours. It's those things plus this bit about not thinking there's good reason for unvoting Geript and finding him town.
I'm still interested in the folks who say this is oats being oats or looks like town oats. Have you been in games in which town oats changes his reads for reasons that don't appear to make sense, or seems to forget his scum reads, or is happy to do nearly nothing? Do you think those things are NOT happening here?
Blazinghand, let's play doc save/marry/kill.
prplhz
odinofpergo
JAT
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Day 2:
Sandroba (Vanilla Townie) has died!
Geript (Town Martyr) has died!
All players have 25 posts. There are 19 players alive, and it takes 10 to lynch.
Day ends in
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Welp wrong about one, right about the other
Geript you should be honored. I think that may have been your first ever N1 death?
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sooooooooooo............. *twiddles thumbs*
Let's lynch Palmar!
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notice that the two people that died, neither one has a signature. Both flipped Town.
I sense a pattern here. WoS what's up?
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also this confirms Cephiro is Town
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I don't see how but I had no beef with Cephiro anyway.
What's up Ace?
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jat/koshi/oden also are Town. Damn holy fuck mind = blown.
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WoS if you could vigi today who would you shoot?
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didnt even know there was vanilla town in this game, what a scrub
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