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On March 20 2014 15:46 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 15:43 Tehpoofter wrote:
@HF Do you know vivax and DP play? Is tunneling this poorly on a town indicative of either's alignment? Like I read DP as town from his filter even though hes wrong. Vivax in my opinion could have jumped on the Rayn thing if he was mafia I basically set him up for early but maybe it was super obvious idk. So I actually read them both as town but to me their case is like way too much harping on a little bit of phrasing so just want to see what you think about if this is alignment indicative of either of them. Dp is scum and if you read his filter you'd know it. He even just tried to give you an out "if you are town prove it" despite previously calling you 100% scum, a liar that is scum etc etc. Vivax.. Idk he's asking for your reads so meh
I do that in every game as town Holyflare. It is my standard response to people claiming they are town when I think they are scum. It is good play. I know you know nothing about my meta but come on man. At least try.
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Why would i try when i know you're scum?
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On March 20 2014 15:46 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 15:43 Tehpoofter wrote:
@HF Do you know vivax and DP play? Is tunneling this poorly on a town indicative of either's alignment? Like I read DP as town from his filter even though hes wrong. Vivax in my opinion could have jumped on the Rayn thing if he was mafia I basically set him up for early but maybe it was super obvious idk. So I actually read them both as town but to me their case is like way too much harping on a little bit of phrasing so just want to see what you think about if this is alignment indicative of either of them. Dp is scum and if you read his filter you'd know it. He even just tried to give you an out "if you are town prove it" despite previously calling you 100% scum, a liar that is scum etc etc. Vivax.. Idk he's asking for your reads so meh
And look at this. he calls me scum and that I am trying to give him an 'out' by asking for him toi scum hunt.
But he doesn't know about Vivax because he asked for his reads which is the same fucking thing.
HAHAHA holy flare is so disastrously tunneled or scum. Cop check plz.
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On March 20 2014 15:51 Holyflare wrote:
Why would i try when i know you're scum?
You don't know shit. you are awful or scum. And I honestly hope you are scum because if you are town you are awful.
Anyway. Dinner time. I'm looking forward to whatever bullshit you talk next holyflare.
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Uh yeh because you didn't do that until vivax started to you fucking retard. All of this game is someone doing something first and then you sheeping it and doing the same thing just more elaborately so it looks like you put effort in
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On March 20 2014 15:41 Vivax wrote:
Let's put you into the offensive for a moment since that's what you said you wanted, who do you think is mafia and why should we lynch them?
Hurray you made a useful post. Thanks for asking bud! I IF you look at my filter rayn brought up what I think is an awesome post about one of myself GT and DJo to be mafia with hopeless if he is mafia. I really liked this line of reasoning but basically its that the more veteran players are all reading Hopeless mafia and since none of me GT or djo had touched him yet and it seemed obvious were likely to be with him in some fashion and the other of us are bad.
This is really good circle forming and make sense. I think the most likely is GT because his first post he defends hopeless who was under some heat at the time and made a different case (ill look up who it was on in a sec but I'm bad at forums and don't want to lose my train of thought searching) So if I was to pick two it would be GT/hopeless assuming rayn's theory is correct.
Now I also see hopeless being with djo because of something djo brought up
On March 19 2014 22:28 Djodref wrote:
I don't understand what he has against Hopeless exactly and I wouldn't mind him explaining again. The scooby doo thing looks minor to me but I honestly don't want to read a previous game.
tl;dr rayn is rather scummy for me at the moment
He said the case was minor so he could be soft deflecting for a teammate.
To be fair I will say that I left Hopeless out of my early reads which is what DP originally was on me for, so I could be on his team in this sense too as rayn pointed out. This last one is wrong cause I'm town but just thought I'd throw it out there 
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On March 20 2014 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Holyflare has played 1 game with me as town and I was a smurf intentionally trying a different style. He is completely unaware of my meta. Also he thinks I am scum so what do you fucking expect from that question?
Like this is what you are doing:
Hey holyflare what do you think of the person whom you have tunneled very obviously all fucking game?
I think he is town but I hope you call him scum again so that it will take pressure of me and I can omgus without it looking like omgus.
I'm giving him a chance not to tunnel like maybe he can say "you know what he does do this as town" or something if he refuses to reconsider it gives me a read on him. I know this may come as a shock to you DP but I do this thing where I reevaluate my reads throughout a game and I give people a chance to talk and listen and prove themselves townie to me. I don't just pick one person and tunnel vision them into the ground.
@DP so Hf's obvious tunnel on you do you read that town? What about vivax? If you knew that I was green and vivax is reading this on me what does that say to you about his alignment?
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Why arent we lynching Djo?
He's calling people town for having a bad read.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 20 2014 09:49 Djodref wrote:Before really going to bed this time, I just wanted to say that I really appreciated DP latest posts and especially this one after he read my filter. Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 09:29 DarthPunk wrote:OK i just read Djo's filter and he acts super weird around his rayn 'read' On March 19 2014 17:52 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2014 09:46 Coagulation wrote:
so does that make rayn confirmed scum or confirmed bad? Rayn is pretty much town also. Do you really think rayn would fake this rage quit thing as scum? I don't. But I do think that he would care this much and be so convinced as town that he would do what he did. So yeah. Kiss and make up cuties. Although your hydra offends me and If I was a vig I would be viging you tonight no question. Sadly I don't have a gun. I'm catching up but I just wanted to mention that I think it is really an easy way to get an excuse to not contribute as scum. And if he was that much concerned about seals, regardless of his alignment, he could have mentioned it at this point (beginning of the game). On March 19 2014 06:18 Coagulation wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ixwo69j.png) VE also drew something similar and rayn didn't react at that point. My point is, you shouldn't base your assessment of rain's alignment on this. It doesn't make him look good from my point of view. His first post in and he is discrediting my town read of rayn which honestly is heavily influenced by playing with rayn a lot so I kind of like this post for a couple of reasons. He is participating in a discussion of current events in the thread. He is calling someone scummy which in my experience of him he doesn't love to do as scum. On March 19 2014 22:28 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 19:38 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 19:32 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 19:29 Koshi wrote:
HF DP Vivax GiggleTummy Alakaslam Djodreff
↑ People who are scummy. How is Alakaslam scummy ? And what about me also by the way ? Give me your opinion on rayn in 2-3 lines pls. I don't like how rayn is pushing his lynch targets, I think he is spending more time arguing for the sake of arguing instead of presenting sound arguments which would convince us to lynch Coag/Hopeless/GT with him. The flip of Coag makes him look bad imo, given the time he spent arguing with him, and I don't understand why he didn't notice the drawn seal the first time if he was ready to AFK the game for it. I don't understand what he has against Hopeless exactly and I wouldn't mind him explaining again. The scooby doo thing looks minor to me but I honestly don't want to read a previous game. tl;dr rayn is rather scummy for me at the moment More accusations of rayn. Even though I disagree with him I like that he is accusing SOMEBODY and that he is participating. On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it? Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that. Here he is going from rayn is scummy to "actually I just didn;t want DP to give you a town read' Don't like it. Djo in my experience hates taking firm stances on whom he thinks is mafia His next post on the surface appears good and productive but it's kind of weird also at the start he makes some points about why he thinks rayn is 'suspicious' I don't necessarily agree with what he is saying but I like that he saying things and trying to scumhunt. The odd part happens after that. On March 19 2014 23:24 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it? Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that. I don't know if it's just me but to me it looks like that's exactly why you are calling me mafia. So if you would clarify why you in fact are calling me mafia it would help me figuring out your alignment. I'm suspicious of you for several reasons. - You pinned Coag as mafia for one useless post and a point about kush's meta.
=>How could you be so sure it was kush posting ?
- You spent a lot of time arguing with Coag and clarifying some minor points, and it was messing up the thread from my point of view.
=>Why didn't you bring up new arguments ?
- You announce that you go AFK because of the seal thing, when they were already seals drawned in thread way before
=>Looked too easy for me
- I didn't understand where Hopeless was lying.
That being said, the post of Coag was indeed scummy, but it is a little not enough much for me to spend so much time and thread space about it. Also I don't think it's a good idea to lynch you today because of your activity and also because I don't feel like I could push a lynch on you. And you have good points about GT. tl;dr I don't trust you, you are potential mafia on my list, but I would rather lynch someone else today.Could you answer me why you chose to support an Hopeless lynch instead of a GT lynch ? He goes here is all the reasons I think you are scummy. But here is the reasons I don't want to lynch you today despite, up until this point only talking about you bieing scum and nothing else. He says he doesn't want to lynch rayn because he couldn't get the lynch off. Not because he has changed his read, because he still calls Rayn mafia in that same post, but then he wants to sheep rayn and both of the lynches rayn has been pushing. That makes no fucking sense at all. On March 20 2014 08:56 Djodref wrote:I have read the whole thread again and I don't think that rayn could be mafia anymore. I don't like how Oats and thrawn voted me for the lynch with little justification. I would expect thrawn to be more active to push my lynch over GT as well. I don't mind Koshi voting me that much because I believe he is town and I know I didn't do much. I'd be happy to get behind a GT lynch today for self preservation mainly. Also I wouldn't be surprised if we have at least 3 mafia members in the pool of less active players in this game. Which I'm fully aware of belonging to. I'm not mafia though  I'll try to give better input tomorrow before the lynch and also my paintings if I get behind a proper computer. I got to go to bed now though but I'll hang around a little more. See you tomorrow guys! Later he says he doesn't think rayn is scum after all. He has done nothing but call rayn scum or argue with rayn the entire game, all of a sudden rayn is not scum due to a 'reread' what could he have possibly read to completely reverse his only scum read and the only thing he has spoken about all game? He sheeps a wagon his precious number one scum read was pushing when he was his number one scum read. Basically I want to lynch one of Djo or GT today. I want poofter to answer my fucking questions. Then I will be a happy panda. It shows he is really trying to figure the game right now and I think it's a rather fair assessment of my filter.
His read on me is total shit. His explanation is not at all how it happened and I did the exact same thing as koshi did so why he calling me scum for it?
Like this post, he implies that I look town until me and thrawn vote
And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me
Which makes me think he is calling me scum for trying to lynch town but thats clearly not the case. The later explanations of our votes being not so clear is totally bullshit and backtracking.
The most convincing thing for me is that he accepts DP's analyzation of his filter which was that he was scum and even calls DP townier because of that.
Dp, tehpoofter is reasonably answering your inquires man, get off his back for today at least. Giggle or Djo?
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@Oats do you think DP and vivax are town tunneling on me recently? Like is that in their town range or maf range? Or have you not played with them enough.
Also what do you think about Rayn's assumption one of me GT DJO is with hopeless? Seems like you think DJO is maf do you think him and hopeless have a strong connection?
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On March 20 2014 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:Why arent we lynching Djo? He's calling people town for having a bad read. + Show Spoiler +On March 20 2014 09:49 Djodref wrote:Before really going to bed this time, I just wanted to say that I really appreciated DP latest posts and especially this one after he read my filter. Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 09:29 DarthPunk wrote:OK i just read Djo's filter and he acts super weird around his rayn 'read' On March 19 2014 17:52 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2014 09:46 Coagulation wrote:
so does that make rayn confirmed scum or confirmed bad? Rayn is pretty much town also. Do you really think rayn would fake this rage quit thing as scum? I don't. But I do think that he would care this much and be so convinced as town that he would do what he did. So yeah. Kiss and make up cuties. Although your hydra offends me and If I was a vig I would be viging you tonight no question. Sadly I don't have a gun. I'm catching up but I just wanted to mention that I think it is really an easy way to get an excuse to not contribute as scum. And if he was that much concerned about seals, regardless of his alignment, he could have mentioned it at this point (beginning of the game). On March 19 2014 06:18 Coagulation wrote: VE also drew something similar and rayn didn't react at that point. My point is, you shouldn't base your assessment of rain's alignment on this. It doesn't make him look good from my point of view. His first post in and he is discrediting my town read of rayn which honestly is heavily influenced by playing with rayn a lot so I kind of like this post for a couple of reasons. He is participating in a discussion of current events in the thread. He is calling someone scummy which in my experience of him he doesn't love to do as scum. On March 19 2014 22:28 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 19:38 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 19:32 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 19:29 Koshi wrote:
HF DP Vivax GiggleTummy Alakaslam Djodreff
↑ People who are scummy. How is Alakaslam scummy ? And what about me also by the way ? Give me your opinion on rayn in 2-3 lines pls. I don't like how rayn is pushing his lynch targets, I think he is spending more time arguing for the sake of arguing instead of presenting sound arguments which would convince us to lynch Coag/Hopeless/GT with him. The flip of Coag makes him look bad imo, given the time he spent arguing with him, and I don't understand why he didn't notice the drawn seal the first time if he was ready to AFK the game for it. I don't understand what he has against Hopeless exactly and I wouldn't mind him explaining again. The scooby doo thing looks minor to me but I honestly don't want to read a previous game. tl;dr rayn is rather scummy for me at the moment More accusations of rayn. Even though I disagree with him I like that he is accusing SOMEBODY and that he is participating. On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it? Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that. Here he is going from rayn is scummy to "actually I just didn;t want DP to give you a town read' Don't like it. Djo in my experience hates taking firm stances on whom he thinks is mafia His next post on the surface appears good and productive but it's kind of weird also at the start he makes some points about why he thinks rayn is 'suspicious' I don't necessarily agree with what he is saying but I like that he saying things and trying to scumhunt. The odd part happens after that. On March 19 2014 23:24 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it? Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that. I don't know if it's just me but to me it looks like that's exactly why you are calling me mafia. So if you would clarify why you in fact are calling me mafia it would help me figuring out your alignment. I'm suspicious of you for several reasons. - You pinned Coag as mafia for one useless post and a point about kush's meta.
=>How could you be so sure it was kush posting ?
- You spent a lot of time arguing with Coag and clarifying some minor points, and it was messing up the thread from my point of view.
=>Why didn't you bring up new arguments ?
- You announce that you go AFK because of the seal thing, when they were already seals drawned in thread way before
=>Looked too easy for me
- I didn't understand where Hopeless was lying.
That being said, the post of Coag was indeed scummy, but it is a little not enough much for me to spend so much time and thread space about it. Also I don't think it's a good idea to lynch you today because of your activity and also because I don't feel like I could push a lynch on you. And you have good points about GT. tl;dr I don't trust you, you are potential mafia on my list, but I would rather lynch someone else today.Could you answer me why you chose to support an Hopeless lynch instead of a GT lynch ? He goes here is all the reasons I think you are scummy. But here is the reasons I don't want to lynch you today despite, up until this point only talking about you bieing scum and nothing else. He says he doesn't want to lynch rayn because he couldn't get the lynch off. Not because he has changed his read, because he still calls Rayn mafia in that same post, but then he wants to sheep rayn and both of the lynches rayn has been pushing. That makes no fucking sense at all. On March 20 2014 08:56 Djodref wrote:I have read the whole thread again and I don't think that rayn could be mafia anymore. I don't like how Oats and thrawn voted me for the lynch with little justification. I would expect thrawn to be more active to push my lynch over GT as well. I don't mind Koshi voting me that much because I believe he is town and I know I didn't do much. I'd be happy to get behind a GT lynch today for self preservation mainly. Also I wouldn't be surprised if we have at least 3 mafia members in the pool of less active players in this game. Which I'm fully aware of belonging to. I'm not mafia though I'll try to give better input tomorrow before the lynch and also my paintings if I get behind a proper computer. I got to go to bed now though but I'll hang around a little more. See you tomorrow guys! Later he says he doesn't think rayn is scum after all. He has done nothing but call rayn scum or argue with rayn the entire game, all of a sudden rayn is not scum due to a 'reread' what could he have possibly read to completely reverse his only scum read and the only thing he has spoken about all game? He sheeps a wagon his precious number one scum read was pushing when he was his number one scum read. Basically I want to lynch one of Djo or GT today. I want poofter to answer my fucking questions. Then I will be a happy panda. It shows he is really trying to figure the game right now and I think it's a rather fair assessment of my filter. His read on me is total shit. His explanation is not at all how it happened and I did the exact same thing as koshi did so why he calling me scum for it? Like this post, he implies that I look town until me and thrawn vote Show nested quote +And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me Which makes me think he is calling me scum for trying to lynch town but thats clearly not the case. The later explanations of our votes being not so clear is totally bullshit and backtracking. The most convincing thing for me is that he accepts DP's analyzation of his filter which was that he was scum and even calls DP townier because of that. Dp, tehpoofter is reasonably answering your inquires man, get off his back for today at least. Giggle or Djo?
If it was between the two it would be giggle hands down. Which is why my vote was on him over djo. Djo seemed reasonable after my case and was willing to talk things out at least. He promised to talk when he wakes up, which is something that giggle clearly may not do. His holy vote was suspect as fuck. He left, dropped a case many hours later and then left.
Def Giggle between the two.
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On March 20 2014 16:10 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Holyflare has played 1 game with me as town and I was a smurf intentionally trying a different style. He is completely unaware of my meta. Also he thinks I am scum so what do you fucking expect from that question?
Like this is what you are doing:
Hey holyflare what do you think of the person whom you have tunneled very obviously all fucking game?
I think he is town but I hope you call him scum again so that it will take pressure of me and I can omgus without it looking like omgus. I'm giving him a chance not to tunnel like maybe he can say "you know what he does do this as town" or something if he refuses to reconsider it gives me a read on him. I know this may come as a shock to you DP but I do this thing where I reevaluate my reads throughout a game and I give people a chance to talk and listen and prove themselves townie to me. I don't just pick one person and tunnel vision them into the ground. @DP so Hf's obvious tunnel on you do you read that town? What about vivax? If you knew that I was green and vivax is reading this on me what does that say to you about his alignment?
Jesus man read the thread. Holy did this to me in my last game as town. I thought he was probably town until he started lying and after he didn't de-tunnel.
Like he is either severely tunneled or scum. Either way his input is meaningless to me for now.
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On March 20 2014 16:28 DarthPunk wrote:
Jesus man read the thread. Holy did this to me in my last game as town. I thought he was probably town until he started lying and after he didn't de-tunnel.
Like he is either severely tunneled or scum. Either way his input is meaningless to me for now.
I realize the HF read is redundant I more want to know what you think of vivax.
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On March 20 2014 16:30 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 16:28 DarthPunk wrote:
Jesus man read the thread. Holy did this to me in my last game as town. I thought he was probably town until he started lying and after he didn't de-tunnel.
Like he is either severely tunneled or scum. Either way his input is meaningless to me for now. I realize the HF read is redundant I more want to know what you think of vivax.
Then why did you ask me about holyflare?
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About Vivax: I don't know. The case on you originally was focusing on the wrong things in my opinion. People have brought up some good points against him, Rayn in particular.
That post in which he wrote a wall on his schedule was poor and scummy.
I actually wouldn't mind flipping him. He is on the grey side of red for me.
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Ok this is going to be a colossal wall of text but read it because dp will flip scum.
Originally I stated that DP is inquisitive, questioning things etc etc as town. This is completely true. Read his filters PLEASE I urge you to. Don't just sit idly by and let him get further on in this game.
This behaviour was not shown AT ALL in the start of the game and ONLY changed when I pointed out that he was not doing it. His stances were incredibly wishy washy on everything he was saying and were only there to spread doubt on players. Compare this to his normal game where he asks questions, pushes people for answers, makes conclusions.
You see posts that backtrack themselves one after the other:
On March 19 2014 07:00 DarthPunk wrote:
You realise that policy thing was like over a year ago HF? I said I was going to policy vote coag before the game started and I did.
Further I don't think it is a shit policy. I literally would prefer the game to not have a 10 plus member Hydra in it.
I would think you were scum but you, you know, did the same thing last game as town so yeah.
On March 19 2014 07:10 DarthPunk wrote:Hmm. He could be scum then. I hadn't read that game so I thought this adventure stuff/ bad cases was his town meta (sadly).That being said I think the early push on me gives him townie points (sadly) he did it in Vengeful as town and would you really want to make a case like that if you are scum?
Like in Cultured his first case is at least borderline legitimate. It seems like he is putting ALOT more effort into it in comparison.
Anyway the thing to do I think, is to just wait and see what he does. Either he starts making meaningful contributions or he doesn't. It should be pretty straightforward after that.
The red and blue are contradictions within the same post. It's so meek that it can't be town DP. I just want to re-iterate. DP IS NOT THIS WISHY WASHY AS TOWN
Then there was:
On March 19 2014 06:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn was like Fuck yeah I am town. And then peace out. That is like the Anti-rayn. Perhaps it is the end of days. Perhaps Rayn is scum. Perhaps he is just busy. Find out next time in: 'Nothing much is happening Mafia'
which he got heavily called out on and then later admitted it was a "joke" but palmar was weird for picking up on it (never questioned again), this post can ONLY be used to spread doubt, rayn does that as both alignments and DP KNOWS this but still says it's anti-rayn? The second half I can see as a joke, the first bit he is trying to spread lies and slander intentionally.
Either way, joke or not, he TRIES to fit in the game by asking questions now:
Also what do you think about holyflare's hopeless push?
remember that phase of the game? NOTHING came from it, he actually ignored people's responses that painted what i said in a positive light and then switched straight to the coag bandwagon which was REALLY REALLY REALLY STRANGE TOO. This was his initial reaction to coags' posting in his hydra:
On March 19 2014 07:36 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 07:34 Coagulation wrote:
its being implied its scummy cause u coulda went and got organized in a scum QT rayn.
but its actually null cause you coulda just went and took an hour long shit for all anyone here fucking knows. This is a good post. If a ten headed hydra IMPROVES coags usual play I will fucking die. LMAO. SO yeah the post is in fact not good because of said dissonance.
he liked the post, was told to reread, copied what people were saying "dissonance between first and second" (hint: there wasn't any) and then started getting all trolly as shit to coag:
On March 19 2014 08:20 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 08:16 Coagulation wrote:On March 19 2014 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2014 08:06 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn you say that he provides no insight of his own. Would you not say that calling it null is not an insight? Like it is a irrelevant conclusion but it is still a conclusion. The point is he just drops a comment that's non-alignment indicative towards every direction. There is nothing, the post achieves nothing and is designed to achieve nothing. If that's kush he is mafia. nope Its coag and the fact that ITS AN HOUR INTO THE FUCKING GAME WHEN I MADE THE COMMENT DOESNT STRIKE YOU AS A LITTLE FUCKING EARLY TO BE MAKING INDICATIONS OF ALIGNMENTS. No of course not cause your more interested in SELLING BULLSHIT than fucking reasonable reads. That is kind of funny because you hopped onto my wagon as soon as the game started. But now it is you that is under pressure it is too early to read alignments?
On March 19 2014 08:22 DarthPunk wrote:
Basically my vote doesn't look so bad now when there are like 5 people posting from one account at the same time does it.
#Vindicated
(there was only 1)
On March 19 2014 08:28 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 08:27 Koshi wrote:
This isn't shit at all DP.
Are we back to not trying to read into what people are saying?
I can see Hydra being to fast on the posting there because they were very active in the start and just typing that reply to type it as town. Very possible. Seems shit to me. And I feel vindicated. Don't go walking in my sunshine Koshi. (disregards everything koshi says to paint coag in a better light)
On March 19 2014 09:23 DarthPunk wrote:
There is no way it is only coag posting. Basically having played many games with coag my expert meta analysis says that coag rarely cares or rages this much, and since when does he say bro?
OMGUS hydra going strong. Destroy it. On March 19 2014 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 08:30 Holyflare wrote:On March 19 2014 08:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2014 08:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2014 08:01 Coagulation wrote:
rayn ur bad and should feel bad Do you think your post was good and moved the thread forward. What was your plan on finding mafia with that post? This is the main question and if you do not answer me reasonably i am not going to move my vote. This question is also relevant to 3/4 of the thread you know. I read that coag post completely differently though. What is interesting to see is how it was pointed out that dp being overdefensive was scummy (by coag) but then they completely went over the overdefensive line in response to you. That would be a good point, but then they are a 5-10 head hydra so contradiction can be explained away for that reason. Which is why we should just policy lynch him/ vig him and be done with it.
READ THIS ABOVE ALL ELSE BECAUSE WTF THIS IS THE DUMBEST THING I'VE EVER SEEN
After everything DP berates me for - my troll post on coag policy. His overdefensiveness to justify the troll post policy, the fact that he "doesn't care if a hydra is pro town or scum" and doesn't care about their alignment or anything because it's a policy:On March 19 2014 07:00 DarthPunk wrote:
You realise that policy thing was like over a year ago HF? I said I was going to policy vote coag before the game started and I did.
Further I don't think it is a shit policy. I literally would prefer the game to not have a 10 plus member Hydra in it.
I would think you were scum but you, you know, did the same thing last game as town so yeah.
he does this:
On March 19 2014 09:45 DarthPunk wrote:
##unvote
Coag is basically confirmed town.
Like wtf shit? NO SHIT COAG WOULD POST HIS SEAL AS TOWN. The whole point of the original policy, everything about the joke post DP calls me scum for. It all points to the fact that DP wants to policy a coag hydra above all else, coag would of course post his seal as town, it's coag ffs. So why when he does that does DP COMPLETELY CHANGE EVERY PREVIOUS POLICY IF HE MEANT IT THIS GAME JESUS CHRIST.
There is also a disconnect in his train of thought completely. Remember earlier in the game where I questioned koshi about his defensiveness on coag? Yeh, DP sheeped it and called it his own and asked him questions about how he didn't think coag was defensive compared to him, it looked odd for koshi to point it out but in the end, nothing came out of that and people started calling koshi town so this followed:
On March 19 2014 08:09 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 08:07 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 08:04 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 08:01 Coagulation wrote:
rayn ur bad and should feel bad rayn mostly pretty spot on early game. So, just play along = thx. when I said play along I meant cooperate. It feels like Rayn is the Sheriff and Koshi is the Deputy.
In DP's viewpoint koshi was defending someone heavily based on points that weren't true and the guy ended up being town so DP should be more suspicious but then suddenly everything falls away and koshi is deputy to rayn!
Next logical fallacy that happens is tehpoofter situation. Remember (i'm going to keep drumming this into you) that DP is inquisitive, he asks questions and pushes to make conclusions. Yeh, what happened around tehpoofter situation?
Tehpoofter is new and makes a post that looks fairly bad. Rather than push or question DP MAKES A FULL BLOWN FUCKING CASE:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445107-iii-titanic-mini-mafia-ms-paint-edition?page=43#855
out of like 2 posts, it's scummy because a) he hasn't asked tehpoofter any questions, b) the guy is new to forum mafia and came from video where reads like list posts are standard. DP in fact, ONLY QUESTIONS TEHPOOFTER AFTER HE SAID THIS GUY IS 100% SCUM. Why would you make a case with such a giant wall of text and call someone 100% scum and THEN question them and not the other way around????
Not to mention, DP carries many logical inconsistencies between players:
On March 19 2014 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
How can you call this guy with 100 posts on the forum scum when hopeless made even more useless reads and fails to even clarify them and hopeless plays a shit tonne of forum mafia. The same with giggletummy. There is no asking him to elaborate there is no questioning. Just a case and bam he's scum. DP you have fallen very far.
On March 19 2014 12:53 Holyflare wrote:
What makes this guy scum over everyone else that has done the same thing? Why do you pick and choose when to use the 'bad towns use bad meta' for hopeless but not the 'bad towns make wishy washy lists' for him?
On March 19 2014 12:52 Holyflare wrote:
Why ignore the entirety of what i wrote and just pick out the bit about you? Why is he scum when he is brand new to forum mafia over hopeless who did the same thing but is not new? Why not giggletummy who put a vote down while agreeing with the person he is voting?
His responses were "I don't care what hopeless does this guys is mafia".
IT GETS MORE WEIRD THAN THIS
So he still thinks tehpoofter is scum, his responses don't add up to him that's cool and all but then his top scum suspects are tehpoofter and giggletummy till giggle responds which he DID do.
DP NEVER COMMENTS ON GIGGLES POST AT ALL EVER IN ANY CONTEXT WHATSOEVER THIS IS THE ONLY THING HE SAYS:
On March 20 2014 09:04 DarthPunk wrote:
Is giggletummy even around? if he fucked off we should lynch him.
On March 20 2014 09:04 DarthPunk wrote:
Is giggletummy even around? if he fucked off we should lynch him.
On March 20 2014 09:04 DarthPunk wrote:
Is giggletummy even around? if he fucked off we should lynch him.
Giggletummy posted his case on me, it was ALL THE POINTS DP WAS SAYING I WAS SCUM FOR AND THEN HE VOTES GIGGLETUMMY when he should be agreeing with him on those points because they are the same logic that DP is using. HE VOTES GIGGLE OVER TEHPOOFTER WHO HE SAID WAS 100% SCUM.
He also says that he won't vote djo, despite finding his posts bad, despite looking like his wishy washy posts from another game over giggle who he should be agreeing with based on the case he made. How is anyone following what DP says as towny?
Then there is all this which I wrote before I started writing the rest
On March 20 2014 08:09 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 00:03 Holyflare wrote:On March 19 2014 23:58 Palmar wrote:On March 19 2014 23:56 Holyflare wrote:On March 19 2014 23:55 Palmar wrote:On March 19 2014 23:51 Holyflare wrote:On March 19 2014 23:42 Palmar wrote:
If you could just go ahead and confirm your alignment HF that would clear up this game a whole lot. you should be able to tell this is completely different from survivor, i'm more "talky" I know, and I've said it is. It's like contemplating hugging someone who has recovered from black death and then he coughs once. A cough doesn't say much but maaaaannn why can't he just be completely healthy. well what's holding you back? if it's all the snarky comments at dp and the tunnel it's because i think dp is scum and it's also fun to troll dp so i intertwined both Said it earlier, your initial stance on hopeless was strange. You're tunneling the guy who has like 50 pages of filter on day 1, and you had some really weird point about video mafia player playing a certain way. You also kept calling me out for that thing based on me agreeing with you. Idk I'm really just contemplating taking a flyer on rayn's townread on you for now. well it was straightforward for hopeless: I made a joke post against dp and then another one about the coag hydra and him being scum because of it but used "definitive language", hopeless jumped on it and called me scum because I did stuff like this in culture mini mafia, he referenced the term "scooby doo" which I used in really small mafia where I did the same thing but was town. It looked like he was cherry picking meta to paint me in a scummy light for people that did not know about those games and was very scummy until he explained his logic, he still hasn't backed off of me and is still defending stuff about that which happened in the first like 2 hours of the game instead of commenting about anything else in the game dp's post count is irrelevant, it was his posting style that led me onto him but i'm backing off of him for a bit because people don't like me talking about it I think your narrative is a load of shit Holyflare. At first you were adamant only the first 'case' against me was a joke. Now you are saying both cases against me were jokes. But that is a fucking lie. Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 06:48 Holyflare wrote:On March 19 2014 06:46 Coagulation wrote:
who do people think is scum DP is legitimately scum. Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 06:55 Holyflare wrote:On March 19 2014 06:50 DarthPunk wrote:Almost Forgot! On March 15 2014 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:
Before I get my role PM
If I am vig I will Vig Coag
If I am town I will try to lynch Coag
If I am scum I will shoot Coag
If I am scum I will try and lynch Coag ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GpuKR9R.jpg) and here is the proof: On March 14 2014 09:37 DarthPunk wrote:
/out because of hydra's. They are OP as town and Crap as scum and honestly I don't see the point unless it is like a themed hydra game.
On March 19 2014 06:30 DarthPunk wrote:
I hope you realise that coag is an OMGUS hydra so don't try and meta him PPL. Insta votes the coag hydra even though he has categorically stated that they are op as town and crap at scum, follows through with a shit policy when even in previous games he states: On December 15 2012 08:48 DarthPunk wrote:
sup kids. I hate policy talk. That is my policy. I am vanilla town. (witchcraft as town) and doesn't try and find the alignment of the hydra! Has 1 page of filter already and it says nothing compared to most of the start to his games! gg 1 scum down And you haven't stopped tunnelling me since. Now after that you start going on about me being overdefensive or whatever and not playing like the ONE! other town game you have played in. BUt in that game I was not full tunnelled from the beginning of the game onwards. The second case which you say was a joke was preceded with 'dp is legitimately scum' So I call massive bullshit on you holy flare.
First and foremost, this is an incredible crock of shit. At no point have I 'changed' my storyline or anything like DP mentions. There is no evidence of that, he hasn't linked it at all and it just didn't happen. This was also funny considering in vengeful I did the exact same thing:
The meta evidence is incredibly overwhelming, look at the super similarities between each opening post and this one here! Conclusive evidence that DP is in fact playing to his scum meta.
He had trouble seeing this was from scum holyflare originally because it happened in vengeful yet suddenly I must be scum and full of shit for posting a REAL CASE BASED ON SOMETHING HE SAID HE'D DO AS EITHER ALIGNMENT. It's hilarious that people listened to this because it quite clearly was a joke. Here + Show Spoiler +On March 19 2014 19:12 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 19:03 thrawn2112 wrote:On March 19 2014 18:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 19 2014 18:55 thrawn2112 wrote:On March 19 2014 18:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
vote on thrawn.
proper vote when i get home.
Can you explain what exactly feels off about HF or DP thrawn? when I read HF's posts I think "does this guy really belive what he's saying" (in regards to stuff he's said about dp) some of DP's posts feel like he's not trying hard enough, like he's giving himself outs for lame reasons so that he doesn't have to take firm stances (mostly regarding HF) 1-2 examples? dp: On March 19 2014 07:00 DarthPunk wrote:
You realise that policy thing was like over a year ago HF? I said I was going to policy vote coag before the game started and I did.
Further I don't think it is a shit policy. I literally would prefer the game to not have a 10 plus member Hydra in it.
I would think you were scum but you, you know, did the same thing last game as town so yeah. bolded "i have this scum read on you that i'm going to lazily ignore because of 1 previous game" On March 19 2014 18:37 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2014 18:22 Palmar wrote:
There's something about HF. He for the most part looks like town but every once in a while he posts something that's sorta off. I can't really comment on Holyflare anymore. He is so deeply tunnelled and pissed me off so epicly that I can't make unbiased judgements of his alignment. I would really like to know what dp thinks about HF but apparently he is unable to explain what he thinks. It's pretty furstrating because while I hate the cop-out, I completely understand the reasoing behind it. hf: pretty much any of his posts that are directed at DP. they've got too much fluff in them that's cmpletely devoted to ad hom or similar malicious rhetoric that it makes it really hard for me to figure out if HF is being genuine Thrawn I'll tell you what I think of HF, He is a massive douche bag and is making me regret joining this game. I WOULD love to call him scum for it but he JUST did the EXACT same thing to me in our previous game to the point that I rage quit the thread. So he is probably town. The thing is that he has done this when I am scum and now that I am town he is also doing it., so I am really fucking frustrated that Holyflare decides to be a massive prick and tunnel me from the first hour of the game onwards. Like in last game he LITERALLY did the exact same thing. Made a 'joke' case that was trash that all of a sudden turned into a 'real' case because of nothing at all. So yeah. I am really pissed off and don't want to deal with him and the sad thing is this is probably his town play so I can't even lynch him for it and have to put up with this bullshit until I die. Effectively ruining any chance I had at having fun in this game. I want to know what VE is doing considering he was supposed to be catching up with the thread. Like in last game he LITERALLY did the exact same thing. Made a 'joke' case that was trash that all of a sudden turned into a 'real' case because of nothing at all.
On March 20 2014 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:He is a liar and I'm not sold on his townieness like everyone else seems to be. He was a dick to me KNOWING it was going to shit up the thread and make me useless.(something he said i was town for earlier) His story keeps changing and he lies when it is convenient for him to do so.
He thought thrawn was scum after he posted the towniest townie town post. Yeah. Holyflare could easily be scum IMO. I know no one will agree with me. But he is a liar about the cases he made. He calls them serious when it suits him and jokes when it suits him and his tunnel on me and being an arsehat in generaly was anti town and created a horrible atmosphere. (already proven to be a joke, he admitted it was a joke, suddenly backtracks on everything says i'm lying about it being a joke and now i'm scum despite him calling me town)
Next, his stance on hopeless:
On March 20 2014 08:31 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 20 2014 08:16 DarthPunk wrote:
OK I am wading through Piles and Piles of meta bullshit whilst catching up with the thread. I am going to ignore meta based cases from this point forward. If you can't explain why someone is mafia based on their actions in this thread you should not be trying to lynch that person as far as I am concerned. I am assuming you are defending Vivax because in my opinion there is no real other case based on meta on anyone, is there? No it's the hopeless/Cultured/scooby do bullshit that is hard to understand unless you played in those games. It's been explained to him, it has been baby'd down 1000x times for him, he never listened UNTIL rayn said something and at that point he did a COMPLETE 180 on hopeless:
before rayn said something despite me talking about hopeless 24/7
On March 19 2014 13:10 DarthPunk wrote:
Maybe my viewpoint is clouded by being pissed off at holyflare but I really don't think we should lynch hopeless today.
after rayn said something (which was pretty much ctrl+c of what i said)
On March 19 2014 13:25 DarthPunk wrote:
Eh, i'm not in love with Hopeless after all. I still don't think he is scum but I don't have a big enough town read on him to fight you both for his lynch.
I would rather lynch this poofter guy though. That dude is legit scum.
He makes no effort to read into one of the top scum candidates for the day. Many people talked about him, many questioned him yet DP has nothing to say other than he liked hopeless' case on me (which didn't exist either) and won't bring up the subject again. He takes no stance on someone that is genuinely scummy, mentions nothing else about him and wants to lynch into poofter/djo without considering hopeless but then votes giggle.
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It's full of crap basically. You said the second case was legitimate then it was a joke now it is legitimate after I caught you lying. Basically you will say whatever is convenient for you.
And most of it is based on meta from ONE! game which you played in me with as town in which I was smurfing and trying a new play style.
The rest is just the same rehashed bullshit from the past 2 days.
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Oh and if you think I am wishy washy It is because I change my reads based on new information. Like any good player will. Rayn is someone I respect and someone I will and have sheeped in the past. Nothing new interesting or scummy about it.
I am done with you and this tunnel. If someone wants to ask me about your case that is fine.
We are through.
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Dp just stfu for once in your god damn life and quote the things that make me a liar whete i pick and choose when it's a joke or not, i guarantee you can't because they don't exist. It's the same argument giggle is making who you apparently want to lynch.
You even call it a joke yourself multiple times rofl
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i'll be drinking soon hf but i promise to read that eventually
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