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JarJar is there anything in gumshoe's play that suggests to you that you're dealing with scum as opposed to a bad townie? I'm curious cause not everyone posting a bad case on you has to be scum, if you could post some reasons outside of his case on you it would be great (or point me to them).
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On February 28 2014 04:51 gumshoe wrote: Hes been on and off Moc, Me and Chyz and he just back traked on Suki as well. My irrational certainty of Mocsta is based off a games worth of experience with him together as scum, Jar's faith in Suki was based off one post and as the heat mounted onto her he forgoed her as well. Oh and that one piece of my case saying theyre not scum together is exactly why I would prefer to not lynch Suki before him or you. Shes still probally scum, and I'll gladly vote for her, I'm just making preferences clear. Backtracked off what? The whole connection between suki and myself is a lie that you manufactured. Here, I'll again post what you keep ignoring On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:First off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ suki Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained. That's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me.
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On February 28 2014 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Vote: suki I'll be back before deadline if i wake up.
y u no play game anymore :p
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On February 28 2014 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Vote: suki I'll be back before deadline if i wake up.
Ugh, is there any chance he's gonna come back before then? I want him to explain his vote.
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he's sheeping the world heavyweight champ man, no regrets!
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On February 28 2014 05:12 Vivax wrote: JarJar is there anything in gumshoe's play that suggests to you that you're dealing with scum as opposed to a bad townie? I'm curious cause not everyone posting a bad case on you has to be scum, if you could post some reasons outside of his case on you it would be great (or point me to them).
are you reading my cases? He's actively making stuff up. He's not just making a bad case on me. He's twisting things to make his case.
He's acting just like he was in GSL where he pretended to be so confident about mattchew. I already posted 2 examples where his play there mirrors his play here:On February 27 2014 23:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town: On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote: That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back. Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched. Wat³ You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town. He just can't possibly be that confident. And like, if you look @ GSL, he gave off that same air of confidence w/ his scumread on Mattchew. It may be a townread vs a scumread but he comes off very similiar. And that was scumread vs townread. Now it's scumread vs scumread. He obviously can't be as confident against me as he's pretending to be because of how bad the case is.
And the 2nd example:On February 27 2014 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:More similarities between GSL and this game Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 12:20 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 12:18 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 27 2014 12:16 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will. gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)". That makes absolutely no sense. I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything. Then why did you ask me to find the post? Cause I couldnt, didnt really matter to me anyways, I just like to make you work on something other than destroying town and murdering its babies. Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 02:56 gumshoe wrote: I did nothing but attack scum until Vivax raised a case against me, which is pretty much what I do every game that I dont uber lurk. I do play and think a bit "odd" and players both green and red usually pass that behaviour off as scummy. If you Vivax and everyone else start finding "unexplainable" motives here and there(as one enthuastic townie once said about my posts) theres not much I can do but sincerely ask you to reconsider ) : I'm not scum and from my view point, however skewed it might be, I've communicated that through my actions. I assure you I have a fantastic lurker meta to fall back on should I ever roll red, but thats not where I'm at this game, and it'll piss me off to no end if I get mislynched and am forced to imagine Matt's laughter roll across the vaulted ceilings of his super secret scum layer.
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On February 27 2014 07:59 TheChyz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 05:46 Holyflare wrote:Still want thechyz to answer this by the way it's the only thing i want him to write about before i get a stance on him x_x On February 26 2014 20:47 Holyflare wrote:TheChyz you were getting called out for your filter not really saying much and your response was that you don't like to call someone mafia for doing 1 scummy thing, yet, in the next few posts you make a case on geript that literally only focuses on 1 aspect of his play (although he has shit all yes). What changed between those few posts that you felt compelled to make a case on someone who isn't doing much, has been talked about for the exact reasons you posted before and is doing nothing before you have even talked to them? + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 15:12 TheChyz wrote: You guys can play having 1 scummy thing on someone and immediately call them mafia. I don't. On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote:kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote: Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...) A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind. All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points: 1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything. 2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant. 3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him. 4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all. In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand. Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now. Did kiterayn just fly away on you? ##Vote geript I was getting shit for playing the way I wanted to play and people wouldn't stop circlejerking around the fact that I don't play like they expect. So instead of trying to argue about philosophies in which is such a tangential topic I decided that I would have to learn to play the TL way and give them what they expect of me and that is to make a case. And also I had my thoughts on geript as most scummy for quiet some time in the game so thats why I talked about him. This explanation sounds terrible. There must be some reasoning behind your playstyle if you initially thought it to be better. It seems like you felt pressured to give up your orignal plan, maybe because you were nervous because you rolled scum?
On February 27 2014 08:18 Cavalinho wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 08:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cavalinho why are your posts so short and lack content unlike the last game? Because I died immediately last game. I'm going to try being much more measured instead of just posting shit and seeing what happens. This is your idea of measured posting? If there wasn't so much scummy behaviour in the thread, this is the attitude I'd like to lynch.
On February 27 2014 09:38 WaveofShadow wrote:VIVAXLet's begin: Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 16:18 Vivax wrote:On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote: Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? What I don't like about this post is that he can't simply say what he thinks about suki, but feels like has to put a Mocsta townread in front of it. That reads to me like he feels pressured to overjustify for picking a side in the debate, which is something I could see scum doing in a town vs. town argument, after all you're always painfully aware that what you say just isn't right, so you need to create a story. And this looks like a story, the story of how you think suki could be scum ONLY after thinking that mocsta is town, which is something I don't see townies do at D1. Explanation: Gumshoe feels that he can't attack suki without supporting Moc cause he thinks that he would look like his lacking suspicion of Mocsta was unjustified. Like, in a hypothetical town vs town argument as scum you would think that you can't attack one townie without clearing the other. Moreover you can see that the part about Mocsta could be construed (in best-case scenario, ie gum town) as a justification for sheeping him ("but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit"), but gumshoe doesn't exactly use Mocsta's arguments (tryhard looking posts, "why-not-vote-for-me-question") and brings his own, which strengthens the overjustification version of events.
The last bit with the nostalgia is either overanalyzing (if town) or making stuff up (if scum), so I think it should be disregarded entirely for now (@ geript). _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Nitpicking from this case is strictly forbidden, either you address all points and give a conclusive opinion or your remarks will be ignored. Vivax's opening post (not counting the geript townseal horseshit). Initially when I looked at this I thought it was worth some town points given that he can come up with a narrative on gumshoe that made a good deal of sense and was from a POV I nor anyone else in the thread had considered thus far. I was wrong about this as Rayn showed me---JJD essentially mentioned it earlier, though obviously not nearly this fleshed-out. It's actually not too bad except for two things. The first being the bolded section: gumshoe 'overjustifies' by giving reasons for sheeping Mocsta and trying to bring his own opinion to someone else's case/scumread. Townies do this all the friggin' time, and I see no reason why this is scum-indicative alone. If town doesn't want to sheep for no reason then gumshoe is doing the right thing AND providing his own reasons for agreeing with Mocsta. The second problem with this was brought up before: why now? Vivax finally explains here after being endlessly prodded: Show nested quote +No, I didn't read all of it at that point. I just found that post scummy and wrote the points right off the bat. Now there is nothing wrong with that on its own but Vivax shows here that he has none of the townie desire to 'get to the bottom of things' and figure out what gumshoe's alignment truly is. I find the post 'interesting' as I mentioned earlier and he posts this: Show nested quote +Interesting perspective isn't an opinion, Wave. And showing past posts that give you the impression that somebody could be scum is the essence of this game. How does gum having already been discussed affect the points brought up? it's completely irrelevant. How is the fact that there was a MASSIVE discussion around determining gumshoe's alignment irrelevant if that is the purpose of posting a case on him in the first place? Like that's basic scumhunting 101---find scum. Vivax posts a case and just asks for comments, he doesn't actually seem to be interested in figuring out gumshoe at all. + Show Spoiler +(BAD ASSOCIATION READ - never mind the fact that an obvious answer as to why he brought up gumshoe is as scum he doesn't want a town mislynch of gumshoe off the table, but that's weak. Just something to consider) I'll get back to this. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 02:53 Vivax wrote:Jeez why couldn't I roll scum in this game. You guys are all so busy with fighting each other in such an unproductive way, and nobody called me out for not doing anything since I posted those points on gumshoe Oh well back to lurking. I mentioned this post earlier and immediately I got the willies. Shitting on thread atmosphere when basically everyone in here has been (apparently) earnestly trying in one form or another to do some determination, and Vivax has the nerve to come in here after doing dick all and call out others. Also important to note is the preemptive lurker call. This is scum mindset right here: call myself out for something real easy so nobody else has the chance to do so. And hey, if anyone brings this up, I can always say: "Well why as scum would I draw attention to myself in that way?" There are many scum who have no issues drawing attention to themselves, me included. Vivax doesn't strike me as being afraid of the spotlight. It sounds WIFOMy but it absolutely isn't. It shows clear scum guilt and a scum mindset. Town has absolutely no reason to post this. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 04:28 Vivax wrote: I thought we were supposed to gather information for town, not just for ourselves. Hence it matters to everyone why you ask questions that seem to lead to nowhere except for shitting up the thread with information that nobody can use productively cause the answers you request are mostly nobrainers, like the next one:
Gumshoe has my points to comment on, he can explain why he felt like he had to townread one and scumread the other, and why he calls suki scummy, then asks which circumstance is the correct explanation for her behavior in the case that she's town (which looks like he's offering her an out, taking away pressure from her).
He basically gave her two possible explanations for her behaviour to pick from that don't picture her as scummy, and that after mentioning points that point to him thinking the opposite. And yet, this: Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 04:37 Vivax wrote:On February 27 2014 04:27 JarJarDrinks wrote: vivax, how do you feel about Chyz or the people voting him? I find it odd that you haven't mentioned him despite the fact that he's got 4 votes on him right now. I'd rather find it odd/scummy if I had mentioned the vote-leader and not anyone else. Leave no stone unturned. I don't think he's scum at the moment. I'd rather not expand on the reasons cause: 1. I could be wrong and I'd be taking away pressure from him. 2. I prefer to focus on the people I find suspicious. Vivax puts a lot of effort into making a case that calls me hypocritical and yet does similar things himself. He calls out gumshow for not gathering info for town and yet town wants his Chyz read,which he refuses to offer. He gives his reasoning later in here: Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 08:21 Vivax wrote: Imagine you're scum and a townie defends you thinking you're town.
Imagine you're town and a townie defends you when you're not really at acute danger
Imagine you're town and a scum defends you.
All alternatives aren't really attractive except for the scum party involved, except when you're at realistic danger of being lynched, which you weren't.
Shouting your townreads out loud without need only helps scum in picking their targets, for the nightkill and for lynches. They will know who they can push safely without facing resistance and who they have to NK.
Besides, town shouldn't spend time circlejerking around why somebody is town in such situations, but why somebody is scum. Of course it's situational, and in your case I didn't feel the need to redeem you from anything to find scum. I simply didn't find you scummy like others did, and that's all town needs to know. But I disagree with this, and apparently so does Rayn. I find absolutely no reasoning why you can't provide a townread, ESPECIALLY when providing said townread allows people to get a read of YOU. It has NOTHING to do with town circlejerking around each other's reads, this post makes it simply seem like you're avoiding giving the Chyz read above because it's bullshit and you don't want people reading you because of it. Vivax's points also reek of someone who is trying to come up with justification as he goes along: Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 05:39 Vivax wrote:On February 27 2014 05:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Fucking school internet Vivax difference between you and me is I haven't looked into chyz yet but I want to, as it is relevant to thread interest right now. I don't take a stance on him yet because it doesn't make sense for me to have one before reading. You give a read based on.....? And then refuse to elaborate further.
Those two things are most certainly not the same thing. Can you explain to me how you can find me suspicious for not-scumreading a guy you didn't even look into yet? You want to hear reasons for him being something when you don't even know what he wrote? What would you do with these reasons when you didn't even reach any own conclusions you could compare the information with? But you're suspicious cause I give reasons for not talking about my read on him when you give out reads for "feels"? ##Vote WaveOfShadow Already commented on this---uses 'feels' to try to make me look bad even though whether 'feels' are ACTUALLY bad or not doesn't matter worth a damn to me and people who have played with me since I started using them know that. Has absolutely nothing to do with the main set of points he tries to use against me---the perceived hypocrisy which in fact, ISN'T. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 06:49 Vivax wrote: After rereading GSL IV I gotta say that I find gumshoe a lot less scummy. Basically all he has been doing in that game was justifying for people he could lynch, summarizing stuff and defending himself.
Here he actively participates in discussions, and I'm confident in stating that the post tone is a lot different.
Doesn't change where I stand with WoS though. Multiple of his actions don't make sense from a town point of view, him abandoning the gumshoe vote so quickly, suspecting me for not commenting on a player he doesn't know anything about, the not delivered look at a gumshoe scumgame he promised. He neglects to mention this last point in that case full of effort I linked above, why just drop it here? Oh I know, just looking for more random crap to paint me in a scummy light, despite the fact that (as I already explained) I did in fact read the gumshoe scumgame and it was part of what very obviously led me to be very unsure of gumshoe's alignment as he is hyper-aware of his own meta. More 'justification trying' below: Complains about gumshoe sheeping weakly while adding a random point for overjustification earlier...well what do you know! Look here! Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 07:31 Vivax wrote:I'll sheep ya, Rayn. I want to add a few points though. Filterskim reveals a very passive Mocsta, no cases on people he believes to be scum since he has been put into the defensive. What I also don't understand is how he townreads WoS out of nowhere. He looked scummy to you, he looks scummy to me, and for him it's the strongest townread, and then he asks a question like this, which shouldn't interest him in the slightest if he's town imo: On February 27 2014 01:30 Mocsta wrote:On February 27 2014 01:28 geript wrote: Toadescum. Idgaf what you think or ever thought about claiming miller. It's trolly regardless and I wish Palmar were here to help lynch you. Where do you stand with Wave currently? ##Unvote ##Vote MocstaPutting WoS on the backfire for now. Mocsta is a more solid (and likely) lynch. 'FIlterskim-' yeah that basically sums up Vivax's efforts this game. Association reads Mocsta based on his random-ass townread of me and takes a basically inane question and calls it scummy. Bingo, good enough to sheep Rayn! TL;DR Vivax has a clear scum agenda throughout his posting. He has no desire to actually read through the filters of any of his scumspects (Mocsta, me, gumshoe), provides weak reads that are all then dropped---he cba to actually figure out the alignment of the people he talks about because he doesn't have to DO that as scum. When he does he comes up with his reads and what he wants to do FIRST and adds in weak justification points later---not the towny way, bro. Vivax is obvscum to me at this point. A much stronger read than Mocsta (at least to me) and I believe he needs to be lynched. No more ignoring the points I'm bringing up about Vivax, I expect people to read this and if they still find Vivax towny, I want to know WHY. If you're all still on Mocsta you can at the very least have a look at this before he comes back. After reading this case a second time I'm inclined to agree. I'll have to reread Vivax's filter again though.
On February 27 2014 10:02 suki wrote: Like for all the activity in the thread so many people have been called out as scum and there's no consensus. Toad and geript are at each others throats. Mocsta is being wagoned on. Thechyz, vivax now, gumshoe, wave. All of them can't possibly be mafia
Usually town has some direction day one.this game there is none Although this thread is incredibly hard to follow with all the spamming, most of it seems really useful (especially after day 1). I believe that this day 1 has been productive (besides Toad and geript going at each other) in giving us a lot to work with. Why are you complaining?
Page 54. I'll stop this now and just quickly skim through to the end due to deadline approaching. If there are important cases I have to read right now, please let me know.
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Holyflare since you're here to post your cocky comments you could also delve into this gumshoe JJD debate, which you don't do for unknown reasons when gumshoe is a guy with whom you share at least two common possible lynch candidates.
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On February 28 2014 05:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 04:51 gumshoe wrote: Hes been on and off Moc, Me and Chyz and he just back traked on Suki as well. My irrational certainty of Mocsta is based off a games worth of experience with him together as scum, Jar's faith in Suki was based off one post and as the heat mounted onto her he forgoed her as well. Oh and that one piece of my case saying theyre not scum together is exactly why I would prefer to not lynch Suki before him or you. Shes still probally scum, and I'll gladly vote for her, I'm just making preferences clear. Backtracked off what? The whole connection between suki and myself is a lie that you manufactured. Here, I'll again post what you keep ignoring Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:First off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ suki On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained. That's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me.
All aboard the shitty town read train!
, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]"
Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful.
But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.
I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it.
The suki case was bad.
Suki reads very town to me.
and eventually when it looks kinda like Suki is going to be lynched.
I'm starting to suspect that suki may be GSs scumbuddy
You start distancing yourself. You abandon your game long town read on Suki on the basis that you think I bussed my team mate right off the bat. This theory is dumb, it assumes I am utterly incompetent and the only reason I can imagine you abandoning Suki for it is if you know shes going to flip scum, and your trying to discard your relation with her as quickly as possible. What more the positioning of this post makes suki being scum imply that I'm scum as opposed to you bieng scum, which is exactly what I would do if I was worried about being brought down along with her. Also if I'm lynched , youve set it up so that suki looks town, because you scum read her purely based off your read of me.
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ange keep doing what you're doing, it's working well
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Phoneposting I'm curious vivax. What is it you would say you're doing right now?
Also wtf is with the votes right now? Its like 3h to deadline and there is zero consolidation. Going to be home in a bit them I'm going to yell at people until I'm gone before deadline
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On February 28 2014 05:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 05:12 Vivax wrote: JarJar is there anything in gumshoe's play that suggests to you that you're dealing with scum as opposed to a bad townie? I'm curious cause not everyone posting a bad case on you has to be scum, if you could post some reasons outside of his case on you it would be great (or point me to them).
are you reading my cases? He's actively making stuff up. He's not just making a bad case on me. He's twisting things to make his case. He's acting just like he was in GSL where he pretended to be so confident about mattchew. I already posted 2 examples where his play there mirrors his play here: Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 23:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town: On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote: That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back. Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched. Wat³ You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town. He just can't possibly be that confident. And like, if you look @ GSL, he gave off that same air of confidence w/ his scumread on Mattchew. It may be a townread vs a scumread but he comes off very similiar. And that was scumread vs townread. Now it's scumread vs scumread. He obviously can't be as confident against me as he's pretending to be because of how bad the case is. And the 2nd example: Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:More similarities between GSL and this game On February 27 2014 12:20 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 12:18 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 27 2014 12:16 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will. gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)". That makes absolutely no sense. I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything. Then why did you ask me to find the post? Cause I couldnt, didnt really matter to me anyways, I just like to make you work on something other than destroying town and murdering its babies. On February 22 2014 02:56 gumshoe wrote: I did nothing but attack scum until Vivax raised a case against me, which is pretty much what I do every game that I dont uber lurk. I do play and think a bit "odd" and players both green and red usually pass that behaviour off as scummy. If you Vivax and everyone else start finding "unexplainable" motives here and there(as one enthuastic townie once said about my posts) theres not much I can do but sincerely ask you to reconsider ) : I'm not scum and from my view point, however skewed it might be, I've communicated that through my actions. I assure you I have a fantastic lurker meta to fall back on should I ever roll red, but thats not where I'm at this game, and it'll piss me off to no end if I get mislynched and am forced to imagine Matt's laughter roll across the vaulted ceilings of his super secret scum layer.
Look up my case on thrawn in a quit game of mini mafia, It's almost identical to my case on you and I made it as town, the only difference here is that I'm right this time : P
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On February 28 2014 05:29 gumshoe wrote:All aboard the shitty town read train! Show nested quote +, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]"
Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful. Show nested quote +But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched. Show nested quote +I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it.
The suki case was bad. And those four posts (the first 3 of which are all basically the same thing) is enough to make you say:On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki. ???
And you still haven't answered this:On February 28 2014 03:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 03:33 gumshoe wrote: Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you. Citation needed Please explain.
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On February 28 2014 05:29 gumshoe wrote:and eventually when it looks kinda like Suki is going to be lynched. OK you're making up lies again. Please explain how it looked like Suki was gonna get lynched. She had ONE vote on her @ that time I believe.
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On February 28 2014 05:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 05:29 gumshoe wrote:All aboard the shitty town read train! , don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]"
Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful. But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched. I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it.
The suki case was bad. Suki reads very town to me. And those four posts (the first 3 of which are all basically the same thing) is enough to make you say: Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki. ??? And you still haven't answered this: Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 03:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 28 2014 03:33 gumshoe wrote: Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you. Citation needed Please explain.
Suki poked away at Chyz before you, Moc and me were pretty much her scum reads. You accusations line up perfectly with hers, or are rooted in the bilief shes town.
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On February 28 2014 05:41 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 05:29 gumshoe wrote:and eventually when it looks kinda like Suki is going to be lynched.I'm starting to suspect that suki may be GSs scumbuddy OK you're making up lies again. Please explain how it looked like Suki was gonna get lynched. She had ONE vote on her @ that time I believe.
She was under fire from holy, wos, me rayn and to a lesser extent moc, several players highly capable of putting a lynch on her. Also as scum it's your job to spot trends and run ahead of them, of course you would choose to flip flop on Suki before she becomes public enemy number one.
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On February 27 2014 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: In GSL BH actually did promise Mocsta to roll him town and didn't (because what's the point of hydraing if you are scum?!?). So either Mocsta has requested the same thing again and didnt' get it or he is modconfirming himself as town in which case he should be modkilled. Page 58. Why would Mocsta be modconfirmed town based on that comment??
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On February 28 2014 05:49 Ange777 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: In GSL BH actually did promise Mocsta to roll him town and didn't (because what's the point of hydraing if you are scum?!?). So either Mocsta has requested the same thing again and didnt' get it or he is modconfirming himself as town in which case he should be modkilled. Page 58. Why would Mocsta be modconfirmed town based on that comment??
he's not we all know that apart from rayn
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On February 28 2014 05:43 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 05:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:And you still haven't answered this: On February 28 2014 03:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 28 2014 03:33 gumshoe wrote: Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you. Citation needed Please explain. Suki poked away at Chyz before you, Moc and me were pretty much her scum reads. You accusations line up perfectly with hers, or are rooted in the bilief shes town. OK first off I'm pretty sure you're wrong and I was on Chyz first. But even if I wasn't, there was several other people on him. Why would you say I sheeped her specifically? And how does that 1 incident equate to "Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you.".
And again, don't just say stuff. Please post examples. Because I think ur wrong that she was on chyz first.
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On February 28 2014 05:49 Ange777 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: In GSL BH actually did promise Mocsta to roll him town and didn't (because what's the point of hydraing if you are scum?!?). So either Mocsta has requested the same thing again and didnt' get it or he is modconfirming himself as town in which case he should be modkilled. Page 58. Why would Mocsta be modconfirmed town based on that comment?? He's not.
Alright I've got the next hour or so. People pushing solo-vote lynches right now need to ask yourselves: have you gained any traction with your case? Are you truly going to gain any in the next few hours?
Right now what we have is the perfect scum deadline atmosphere. There is no clear town leader (and as confident as I've been this game I don't tend to fill that position particularly often) and votes are spread out so thinly scum can essentially move wherever they want and lynch whoever they want today. On top of that, we will learn absolutely nothing on flip (ie voting analysis will be basically useless) aside from that person's alignment if everyone stays on the current path. Is that what town wants?
We need to figure out 2-3 MOST LIKELY lynch candidates. Preferably before I leave.
As it stands off the top of my head I want to say Mocsta/suki/Vivax. You all need to decide where these three fit into your current reads and decide what you want out of the day, and whether you want to hand this lynch to scum or not, as geript seems rife to do.
+ Show Spoiler +I'm pretty damn sure geript is town but considering how horrible his play has been recently I can honestly say I wouldn't mind a policy, but only as last resort. TL needs to be punishing this shit way more often than it does.
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