EPTOn November 30 2013 22:41 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Stickied.
Stickied.
there are some things in the previous version of this thread (now un-stickied) that are super good, e.g.:
(ZvT) Stopping the Bunker Rush
Day[9] United States. August 29 2006 10:58
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Crunchums
United States11143 Posts
there are some things in the previous version of this thread (now un-stickied) that are super good, e.g.: (ZvT) Stopping the Bunker Rush Day[9] United States. August 29 2006 10:58 | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9446 Posts
 The main reason why I sticked this one and unstickied the other one, is to try to make the Strategy forum more relevant to today. You can all, and are encouraged to, help with this! | ||
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Crunchums
United States11143 Posts
On December 01 2013 02:50 2Pacalypse- wrote: So add them here I did!  I will find some more that I think are worthwhile The main reason why I sticked this one and unstickied the other one, is to try to make the Strategy forum more relevant to today. yes, thank you | ||
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traceurling
United States1240 Posts
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Chef
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I think both Hydra ZvZ and The Stove are legit ;p I don't mind Kau's proxy hatch guide either (although I prefer Maejang's proxy hatch style myself). Ultimately I think they teach the new players important things. I didn't think of the purpose of this thread as being a destination just for beginners though. It's just an easy reference for all the guides that would otherwise be really annoying to find, goofy or otherwise. I'm not adding a new section because I don't feel like passing judgement on everyone's threads. Even beginners will be able to tell if a guide is for them or not. The special Day9 section is basically my way of saying 'but if you want actually good info, go here' and his ZvZ VODs are very insightful and almost the reason I don't bother writing a guide on more standard ZvZ, since I'd just be repeating things he said. | ||
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Crunchums
United States11143 Posts
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Jaevlaterran
Sweden578 Posts
Reading a guide helps one understand not only how to execute a build, but also through that what strategies might work against it. The hydra ZvZ guide contains replays of good players playing against this style and in one of them the non-hydra ZvZer wins IIRC. Further more, last year Technics used hydras in a ZvZ vs Sziky on HBR in RO8 of the biggest tour at that time. How is this not relevant? edit: Also, just like with any unorthodox play,, a new player needs to know about the Stove's existence to be able to understand what is going on when facing it. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On December 04 2013 15:49 Jaevlaterran wrote: There is absolutely no legitmacy to removing the mentioned guides from this thread. This is supposed to be a collection of strategy threads; not a selection. Removing them makes this thread obsolete and is in no way better for a beginner who then oftentimes never even realizes these strategies exist. What happens when a new zerg player only reads that zvz is played with muta-ling etc and then encounters hydra ZvZ which he has never even heard of? Well I can give you a hint: he has no idea what is going on. Reading a guide helps one understand not only how to execute a build, but also through that what strategies might work against it. The hydra ZvZ guide contains replays of good players playing against this style and in one of them the non-hydra ZvZer wins IIRC. Further more, last year Technics used hydras in a ZvZ vs Sziky on HBR in RO8 of the biggest tour at that time. How is this not relevant? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0xFtqGCa98 edit: Also, just like with any unorthodox play,, a new player needs to know about the Stove's existence to be able to understand what is going on when facing it. because some strategies will actually slow down a player's development due to the vast array of strategies out there and some of them being very bad in the current meta game. They should be separated. Keep the old articles, but make sure newcomers know that they are outdated. edit: it would be nice if there was a BO and strat guide for 3 hatch muta for ZvT. | ||
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River.Yang
China2 Posts
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Phoenix2003
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Strange. It's not on the database. Maybe someone else might have better luck. | ||
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Jaevlaterran
Sweden578 Posts
On December 05 2013 15:57 Golgotha wrote: because some strategies will actually slow down a player's development due to the vast array of strategies out there and some of them being very bad in the current meta game. They should be separated. Keep the old articles, but make sure newcomers know that they are outdated. edit: it would be nice if there was a BO and strat guide for 3 hatch muta for ZvT. Well ofc they should be marked as unorthodox, that has already been said by some people. Also, please put the "hidden unit for hive ZvZ" under the "goofy category" as well. Guardians in hive ZvZ? I mean talk about unorthodox. After the thread fills with people believing this is a troll guide he narrows it down to this basically: his whole guide is only regarding the specific timing when both players are teching for defiler hydra to use 2-3 guardians over a mineral line WTF. Hydra ZvZ guide is more useful than this IMO. | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
Mindcontrol - Mental strategies for SC Quint Germany June 14 2009
designed for beginners and more about the motivation. Definitely worth a read. | ||
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Chef
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icystorage
Jollibee19343 Posts
icystorage Philippines. June 27 2009 13:36 [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=96340]Earlier Sparks Terran TvZ[/url] my own variation of my favorite sparks terran :D its kinda cheesy. i just want to contribute | ||
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puppykiller
United States3126 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331846 Include in it a note to go to page two since the torrents are dead and there is links to the videos on page two. I'm coming out with a much better one too xD | ||
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Jaevlaterran
Sweden578 Posts
edit: This one is an interesting strategy thread classic in my book with great discussion and game examples from progamer use etc. Getting a Queen every game? Chef October 03 2007 00:47 [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=60228]Getting a Queen every game?[/url] | ||
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Jaevlaterran
Sweden578 Posts
Walling on Match Point Necosarius Sweden. November 11 2009 05:36 [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=105439]Walling on Match Point[/url] | ||
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Jaevlaterran
Sweden578 Posts
PvZ: Counter All-ins and Cheese GeckoXp Germany December 18 2013 01:31 [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=438605]PvZ: Counter All-ins and Cheese[/url] | ||
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Jaevlaterran
Sweden578 Posts
This thread contains some good advice on overlord scouting for zergs. It can also help other races anticipate zerg positions on how the overlords fly. Overlord Scouting Techniques traceurling United States. March 03 2013 15:13 [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=401135]Overlord Scouting Techniques[/url] | ||
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Jaevlaterran
Sweden578 Posts
The build I used for winning games:Hiya 4 fact Hiya 4-fact Timing NeVeR November 21 2010 18:36 [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=170706]Hiya 4-fact Timing[/url] The build I used to keep up my morale: (put this under goofy section) It contains lots of nice pictures and replays as well as a phenomenal written style. I've gotten some questions about bio TvP from friends, and here is where I learned it all. Also please look at the comments of this guide before saying it is not worthy of being in this thread. This is a style for those who simply want to play on ICCUP for fun and not to try and get to yellow ranks as fast as possible. D+ Adventures in Bio-tank Manifesto7 Osaka. July 07 2009 16:38 [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=97127]D+ Adventures in Bio-tank[/url] | ||
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