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Vatican City State732 Posts
On August 02 2013 06:21 Umasi wrote: On another note, scam and daneel, you should start posting, pretty much self explanatory WHY you should start posting. Just in response to this, I work 800-500 every day, I'm not going to be posting between midnight and 530 pm. I'm about to go back through the thread, be back soon....
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I knew it, see the case on reps initially was not strong at all. He did not help his case though.
so. what info did we gain?
That deus may actually be scum.
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Kinda might implicate HolyFlare too. None of that is concrete.
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So town. Why was I so wrong, and why vote everyone but scam?
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What were you so wrong about?
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 31 2013 10:24 Nightcat99 wrote: Hello everyone i am the newbie nightcat reporting in for duty. + Show Spoiler +On July 31 2013 14:26 Nightcat99 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 10:07 reps)squishy wrote: I totally took this as a BroodWar Terran QQ.
On topic: I am super new to mafia (first ever game) and I think coming up with something to say is super hard. I hope this is just a beginning thing. Trying not to be a hated lurker is kind-of hard.
+I almost edited one of my posts good thing I read the rules xD. I have a little problem with this post, i understand the fact that new player wants to tell other they are new, but this was one of the method i use last game to make myself look newer then you actually are. He didnt edit his post, he found out he cant edit his post at the middle of him posting and decided to tell us about it. There is just something fishy about that. Not necessarily the most to go on, but these two posts are a bit strangely contradictory. Really seems like there was an early game play to distract attention by getting everyone focused on squishy. I think one of the biggest things to do is go back and look at the instigators of the suspicscion on him.
With that in mind, Gotard's early vote still strikes me as suspicious. It too looks like another attempt to kind of stir up the pot unnecessarily...he did try to explain it but I'm just not satisified.
I have no clue what game alaksam is playing. That being said, he's gone so out of his way to demonstrate pro-towniness its a little strange...he was really working to position himself as in the clear if reps flipped green, which may just be good play but deserves to be remembered
Usami's last minute switch was stupid as either mafia or townie...I don't really get a good read off of it
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On August 02 2013 08:04 Umasi wrote: What were you so wrong about? That was a facetious question. I mean
"Why didnt you believe me town?"
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On August 02 2013 08:19 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 31 2013 10:24 Nightcat99 wrote: Hello everyone i am the newbie nightcat reporting in for duty. + Show Spoiler +On July 31 2013 14:26 Nightcat99 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 10:07 reps)squishy wrote: I totally took this as a BroodWar Terran QQ.
On topic: I am super new to mafia (first ever game) and I think coming up with something to say is super hard. I hope this is just a beginning thing. Trying not to be a hated lurker is kind-of hard.
+I almost edited one of my posts good thing I read the rules xD. I have a little problem with this post, i understand the fact that new player wants to tell other they are new, but this was one of the method i use last game to make myself look newer then you actually are. He didnt edit his post, he found out he cant edit his post at the middle of him posting and decided to tell us about it. There is just something fishy about that. Not necessarily the most to go on, but these two posts are a bit strangely contradictory. Really seems like there was an early game play to distract attention by getting everyone focused on squishy. I think one of the biggest things to do is go back and look at the instigators of the suspicscion on him. With that in mind, Gotard's early vote still strikes me as suspicious. It too looks like another attempt to kind of stir up the pot unnecessarily...he did try to explain it but I'm just not satisified. I have no clue what game alaksam is playing. That being said, he's gone so out of his way to demonstrate pro-towniness its a little strange...he was really working to position himself as in the clear if reps flipped green, which may just be good play but deserves to be remembered Usami's last minute switch was stupid as either mafia or townie...I don't really get a good read off of it
This is a good point and I didn't so much want to establish my own townieness but rather the potential scumminess of deusxmachina and HolyFlare.
It should be everyone's goal to look town, and town's goal to PROVE it if possible.
Even though I backpedaled, I once again invoke the Kenpachi rule softly. Why is it suspicious to claim vt? It should be null, 100%- or even ignored as a joke, because it is so blatantly useless a thing to do.
I need to make a case though so deus & holy have something to defend against point by point. Totally useless to FoS unfairly like that, so give me a little filter time...
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On July 31 2013 07:43 DeusXmachina wrote: I can appreciate your enthusiasm Umasi, as well as your insight on some of the characters of this town, or should I say potential problems. I hate bugs in code too. Especially the small, easy to overlook ones like a misplaced semicolon. Who else will chime in? Doesn't out-of-date software just make you want to send a nasty email articulating your frustration to the parties responsible? Also, Alakaslam says he is not a problem. Can he be trusted? Actually never mind on Kenpachi rule. This is completely a normal response.
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On July 31 2013 11:43 StiMaDDict wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 11:16 Holyflare wrote:On July 31 2013 11:02 DeusXmachina wrote: I am going to take a stance. Reps is scummy. He is going completely overboard with the noobie innocence routine. He already let us know before the game started that he was new to mafia. Why does he have to keep reminding us. Furthermore, he says, "Trying not to be a hated lurker is kind-of hard". Why is it hard for you? Are you constantly reminded that you need to post but you are fearful of sticking your neck out. How scummy of you reps. Who else is with me? Hold up there skippy, while yes, he has been somewhat repetitive, the day is young; he is after all new. I AM interested to hear his replies to the questions you have raised though. Logic flaw. Also why are you defending Reps? Actually stim looks worst early. Recently he hasn't looke so bad though.
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On July 31 2013 12:15 StiMaDDict wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 12:11 Holyflare wrote:On July 31 2013 12:05 DeusXmachina wrote: Reps is in no serious danger. If he is town he should be able to defend himself. The discussion is opening up. We can look at several important factors: 1. Is anyone trying to defend reps? 2. Who is not posting their opinion? 3. What does reps have to say in his defense? 4. I am sure you guys have more to add.
Hopefully we can expose more than just reps intentions.
While I know what your intentions 'are', you have gone about it in the wrong way. You falsely accused someone of repetition when it has happened once, that is not a way to determine peoples alliances unless you mistakingly thought his post-game posts were in the day. It is also 4-5am in Europe so half the people won't reply for another few hours. I will also be off to bed shortly so if anyone has anything to ask me before I go, say it now please. It seems as if you know Reps' alliance, hmm.. Also if you read Deus' accusation, he did differentiate Reps' pre-game post and in-game post. FoS on HolyFlare, for a post of 100% truth!
Mine is gone on he and deus ATM by the way. I currently think deus was misguided, similar to chrom last NMM.
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On August 02 2013 08:19 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 31 2013 10:24 Nightcat99 wrote: Hello everyone i am the newbie nightcat reporting in for duty. + Show Spoiler +On July 31 2013 14:26 Nightcat99 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 10:07 reps)squishy wrote: I totally took this as a BroodWar Terran QQ.
On topic: I am super new to mafia (first ever game) and I think coming up with something to say is super hard. I hope this is just a beginning thing. Trying not to be a hated lurker is kind-of hard.
+I almost edited one of my posts good thing I read the rules xD. I have a little problem with this post, i understand the fact that new player wants to tell other they are new, but this was one of the method i use last game to make myself look newer then you actually are. He didnt edit his post, he found out he cant edit his post at the middle of him posting and decided to tell us about it. There is just something fishy about that. Not necessarily the most to go on, but these two posts are a bit strangely contradictory. Really seems like there was an early game play to distract attention by getting everyone focused on squishy. I think one of the biggest things to do is go back and look at the instigators of the suspicscion on him. With that in mind, Gotard's early vote still strikes me as suspicious. It too looks like another attempt to kind of stir up the pot unnecessarily...he did try to explain it but I'm just not satisified. I have no clue what game alaksam is playing. That being said, he's gone so out of his way to demonstrate pro-towniness its a little strange...he was really working to position himself as in the clear if reps flipped green, which may just be good play but deserves to be remembered Usami's last minute switch was stupid as either mafia or townie...I don't really get a good read off of it Noncommittal much? Captatin obvious much? So who exactly do you think is the scum?
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Vatican City State732 Posts
Also, I think we need to be careful in how we deal with scam...we really should have taken him out instead of reps. Since we misfired on reps, if we go after scam and he is also a townie we are in some pretty hot water, down 4 townies with little to show. I think its important for us to be pressing more active players, then we can deal with him later if we can get on top of the game
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that's not thought through too well. You, daneel, are posting (I think) because we pressured you to post, so there's no reason to not pressure scam for not posting.
because we want him to post. If you ignore a lurker, and don't vote a lurker, why on earth would they not keep on lurking? You'd have to hope it was just a scum not talking. But what if it's just another lazy town?
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so scam, I want you to come in and do the same thing Rdaneel is, that is, start posting and throwing ideas out there. I don't think nightcat prodded the lynch into happening btw, deus really slammed this one in there.
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On August 01 2013 04:54 sc_a.M wrote: Hey guys!
In my opinion we should not kill anyone today but wait and let the investigators do the investigations. Perhaps there isn't even a SK and then everything would be fine! Top scum read, rereading the entire game. Town has actually done a great job expressing motives.
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Vatican City State732 Posts
On August 02 2013 08:36 StiMaDDict wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 08:19 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 31 2013 10:24 Nightcat99 wrote: Hello everyone i am the newbie nightcat reporting in for duty. + Show Spoiler +On July 31 2013 14:26 Nightcat99 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 10:07 reps)squishy wrote: I totally took this as a BroodWar Terran QQ.
On topic: I am super new to mafia (first ever game) and I think coming up with something to say is super hard. I hope this is just a beginning thing. Trying not to be a hated lurker is kind-of hard.
+I almost edited one of my posts good thing I read the rules xD. I have a little problem with this post, i understand the fact that new player wants to tell other they are new, but this was one of the method i use last game to make myself look newer then you actually are. He didnt edit his post, he found out he cant edit his post at the middle of him posting and decided to tell us about it. There is just something fishy about that. Not necessarily the most to go on, but these two posts are a bit strangely contradictory. Really seems like there was an early game play to distract attention by getting everyone focused on squishy. I think one of the biggest things to do is go back and look at the instigators of the suspicscion on him. With that in mind, Gotard's early vote still strikes me as suspicious. It too looks like another attempt to kind of stir up the pot unnecessarily...he did try to explain it but I'm just not satisified. I have no clue what game alaksam is playing. That being said, he's gone so out of his way to demonstrate pro-towniness its a little strange...he was really working to position himself as in the clear if reps flipped green, which may just be good play but deserves to be remembered Usami's last minute switch was stupid as either mafia or townie...I don't really get a good read off of it Noncommittal much? Captatin obvious much? So who exactly do you think is the scum? I think Gotard is scum. I think Deus is scum because of his early aggression to try to make I think alaks is on the fence, not sure what to think of him yet.
I'd like to hear you elaborate on your thoughts a bit. We haven't seen a ton of substance from you yet (oh yes I'm totally a hypocrite ) You've had a lot of "I'll elaborate later posts", so flesh out your thoughts
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On August 02 2013 08:37 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: Also, I think we need to be careful in how we deal with scam...we really should have taken him out instead of reps. Since we misfired on reps, if we go after scam and he is also a townie we are in some pretty hot water, down 4 townies with little to show. I think its important for us to be pressing more active players, then we can deal with him later if we can get on top of the game And in context of what I have been reading this implicates you STRONGLY. Why are you defending someone who voted no lynch?!?
And who still has a sub 3 page filter for certain?
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Vatican City State732 Posts
On August 02 2013 08:42 Umasi wrote: that's not thought through too well. You, daneel, are posting (I think) because we pressured you to post, so there's no reason to not pressure scam for not posting.
because we want him to post. If you ignore a lurker, and don't vote a lurker, why on earth would they not keep on lurking? You'd have to hope it was just a scum not talking. But what if it's just another lazy town? I'm posting because I got home from work again :p. See my post earlier :p I agree we should pressure him a bit, but I don't think its a good idea to be spending our second lynch on him. Someone said earlier in the thread (you I think)? That you can't get a good read either way on the player if they don't post. So we'd be basically taking a complete shot in the dark. If we are wrong, I think we are in pretty serious trouble (maybe I'm wrong, haven't played this before...) with 3 mafia left, and what, 4 townies and one of the neutrals? I think we would be better off trying to identify more likely mafia that we have reasons for suspecting and trying to nail them down. If we make a strong lynch push for scam what are we going to learn
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On August 01 2013 09:44 Nightcat99 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 09:31 reps)squishy wrote: infii did not want to lynch anyone night 1 and he is "neutral." And the neutrality seems to me he does not want to be a lurker but he does not want to draw attention to himself so I will. RDaneelOlivaw and sc_a.M also do not want to lynch someone day one, what is the reason that you single infil out? I would also like to talk about lynch every day, the reason we lynch every day is because this is the only method we have to force everyone to take a stand, and by taking this stand and backing them up with your words is the only way we can get reads to find the scum. If we dont lynch anyone day one , then some one is going to die night one and the only information we will get, is well scum kills people. I dont think rep is a scum because i know that scum has a private forum with scum friends and a scum coach... if he is scum, someone would have stopped him by now..... However, i am watching infil RDaneelOlivaw and sc_a.M, i feel that atleast one of them or even two of them can be scummy, there is no reason for the scum team to agree to all voice their opinion on a no lynch but they would definitely jump onto that opportunity. I like this post. But I think Indio jones is town.
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