"please ban this idiot"
"other sh+t" lol
it's a shame I'm not able to spend money online tho
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JP Dayne
538 Posts
"please ban this idiot" "other sh+t" lol it's a shame I'm not able to spend money online tho | ||
Jealous
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49233 Posts
On June 22 2013 16:00 Sinedd wrote: ...paid forums ? -.- okay tL+ forum is the shiz yo. | ||
Laneir
United States1160 Posts
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digmouse
China6319 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On June 22 2013 16:34 tauon wrote: I like all the ideas in TL+ except the private forum. I worry that the private forum will fragment TL. I don't think there is any possibility of it " fragmenting " TL, the TL+ forums don't have much substance unlike other sections of the site. You can't hang out only in the TL+ forums unless you want to miss everything else that people came to the site for in the first place. | ||
Gorribal
Canada186 Posts
EDIT: Oh I see you can nvm. | ||
Sabu113
United States11035 Posts
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Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
The more resources they have the better the site gets! | ||
doktorLucifer
United States855 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On June 22 2013 13:00 Dodgin wrote: Show nested quote + On June 22 2013 12:56 StarStruck wrote: On June 22 2013 12:09 dAPhREAk wrote: On June 22 2013 11:19 datcirclejerk wrote: I'm starting to wish people took their charitable feelings towards something that actually matters, like people dying and such. Donating to other relatively wealthy people just doesn't seem right. people are being charitable and you are trying to make them feel bad for it? for shame. The guy does make a good point though. I'm all for gifting the guy from Alberta who pretty much lost everything in the flood, but my lord look at all that charity. I hope some of you donate to good causes at the same time. Maybe I'm alone here but I don't feel like I'm making a charitable donation, I feel like I'm giving back to TL for being a site that I use so frequently. Sure I could buy 3 months worth for myself, but I find it more fun to buy 1 month worth for myself and gift two months to quality posters/people I like. I think somewhere down the line you missed my point and probably missed the part where dAP especially was gifting a lot of different posters TL+. In other words, a lot of TL users are gifting a lot of blokes to use the feature for many different reasons. Many of which being 'oh my gosh I cannot afford a few bucks because I'm a uni student.' Please, we've been there done that. We know the kinds of budhets they have. The point is for the few bucks it takes, it would be nice to see people give back to other good causes in the same breath. Now, I've been to a lot of third world countries. Heck, even forth and fifth world and let me tell you it is absolutely baffling. Nothing can prepare you for those horrors. | ||
Drake
Germany6146 Posts
in future (when i have enough money for eating ^^) i will subscribe too (hope for lifetime acc) edit: any chance TL + members can get namechanges for tl ? i mean there is my old nick used by some guy made 1 post years ago ... or other guys who has nicknames who are banned ??? | ||
cLAN.Anax
United States2847 Posts
On June 22 2013 16:34 tauon wrote: I like all the ideas in TL+ except the private forum. I worry that the private forum will fragment TL. I doubt it'll get used that much. I'd be surprised if it's as crowded as the average chat channel on Battle.net, lol. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49233 Posts
On June 22 2013 17:05 cLAN.Anax wrote: Show nested quote + On June 22 2013 16:34 tauon wrote: I like all the ideas in TL+ except the private forum. I worry that the private forum will fragment TL. I doubt it'll get used that much. I'd be surprised if it's as crowded as the average chat channel on Battle.net, lol. its not crowded, but there is activity. | ||
Lylat
France8566 Posts
On another hand you need money so it's ok I guess. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49233 Posts
On June 22 2013 17:10 Lylat wrote: Hmm I don't like it, I thought TL was like a big family and now you're fragmenting us ?... On another hand you need money so it's ok I guess. theres literally nothing different going on there. | ||
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Bearded Elder29901 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States42930 Posts
On June 22 2013 17:13 BLinD-RawR wrote: Show nested quote + On June 22 2013 17:10 Lylat wrote: Hmm I don't like it, I thought TL was like a big family and now you're fragmenting us ?... On another hand you need money so it's ok I guess. theres literally nothing different going on there. Except for that thing we Plus Users all talked about in private and all made a pact never to say to any of the other people, ever. Except for that, right? + Show Spoiler + | ||
Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On June 22 2013 16:18 Chinnro wrote: Show nested quote + On June 22 2013 08:55 zJayy962 wrote: On June 22 2013 08:20 Cele wrote: On June 22 2013 07:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: On June 22 2013 06:33 Nakama wrote: On June 22 2013 06:26 Piy wrote: Don't like the commercialisation at all, but whatever I guess. Whole feeling of the community is so changed from a few years ago, makes me realise why I participate less and less. Just my opinion, not just on this issue, but also the general trend of modern e-sports. Regardless of how much money people are making now, I had a lot more fun with Starcraft 5 years ago. Now I don't play or watch it, and endless adverts and sponsor shout outs and reddit posts about the stagnation of esports' growth just make me not want to. Was just better when I could watch an hour or so of fresh BW VOD's, play at the A/B ranks and not have to spend forever finding games (back when Iccup was a viable server) and enjoy the community interaction on TL.' Feels now like something great is gone forever. I would love nothing more than to go back to BW being the niche game it was with a decent, dedicated following and a fun community; the thought of never truly getting to experience my favourite game of all time again is very disheartening and depressing. Can't wait for the next good competitive RTS tbh, will hopefully be fun again. This... i think sth in my heart died today.. TL was the last site i expected to implement sth like this.. build by fans run by fans... i will miss the good old times.. i always tried my best to support TL with the little i have but now i think i will adblock it again... im not trying to be offensive btw i just cant understand why the old system worked for so long and now suddenly they need to make sth like this other then greed i hope someone can give me some good arguments so i can get my faith back into my so loved number one website. I created TL in 2002 when thought we could fill a special spot in the BW scene. In the first eight years it was a completely voluntary job for me (first I was an SC progamer, then I supported myself through poker). I think you should know that I worked my ass off the eight years before you created your account, without ever expecting this would one day become a business. Today TeamLiquid.net has become a monster to manage that can't be ran based on anyone's passion alone. As a website offering so much to its users it is impossible to maintain without monetization. We have about 200 staff members the vast majority of whom are voluntary. However as with any organization we absolutely must have paid quality staff to lead and accommodate such a massive group of people, and to create revenue to pay for all the costs involved with running a website as large as this. In terms of monetization I believe we have always stuck close to the principles that drove me to do this for eight years as a hobby. We've never considered doing popups, we have never locked popular public content behind paywalls, and we have never put up donation buttons. I think that we do a decent job at creating revenue sources that do not create negatives for those who don't want to spend money. Think of the store, non-instrusive ads, pay-what-you-want models, and TL+, which takes no functionality away from anyone who isn't interested in buying it. no offense, but we heard the "well this site costs money, it's hard to just break even" argument quite a couple of times. It came up on various occasions, last time i recall was the opening of TL store. I don't buy it. Judging by TL's unique clicks per day and the estimated revenue of the shop and other cooperations, such as papa johns pizza deal and sponsored threads, i assume TL was making quite some (not naming any numbers) in profit before the introduction of TL+. And i did take into account that people get paid as well. If this is hilarious to you, open up your finances to the users. I would be more inclined to support TL by such a feature if i knew this site was having a hard time on breaking even. He never said he had trouble breaking even. He has two pro teams, staff to pay, and a massive site that he must maintain. People have to live their lives. He's trying to do it in the most non-intrusive way possible and still people give TL shit about it. If you aren't going to support it, don't try to discourage others not to also just because you don't think TL should make more than you believe is "just". People like you are poison to any community. He is not "poison in the community"...he is simply putting forward an opinion that A LOT of people would agree with. Although I agree, I would put it differently... Everyone is entitled to monetize a skill, a trade, information or expertise in any way they want....this is capitalism at its best. In saying that, the laws of economics will tell you that consumers (ie "we the community") will only pay for something if we see VALUE in it. It is easy to be sceptical and cynical, but when you drill down and look at what TL+ is offering, most us would ask - - "does the purchase/subscription represent fair value?". From my perspective, no, it does not, and I will not pay for TL+. I love the content, streams, editorial, ads etc just the way they are. Why pay for enhancements that are not valuable to me? In saying all of this - just my opinion. Its all about perspective, not the size of your wallet. While I'm sure you're right that there will be a lot of people who don't buy because they don't think the new features are worth it, I doubt most of the people who have subscribed are doing so for the features themselves. The private forum? No one is paying money for that. I'd suggest the overwhelming majority are doing this to give back to TL and out of gratitude for all of the great stuff that makes up the site already. | ||
CrazyF1r3f0x
United States2120 Posts
I really need to grab myself some when I have the cash. | ||
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