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On June 22 2013 07:42 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 07:39 slOosh wrote:On June 22 2013 07:30 marvellosity wrote:
Damn slOosh, I was hoping for something wordier. Try this one on then:
3) Do yamato and hapa's interactions today look natural, like two townies interacting? Or how do you view it?
I'll try to answer it, but could you first clarify either a string of posts / pages for me to refer to, or perhaps the dialogue that you found strange / scummy / (? I'm not sure). I don't really look at interactions unless we get some flips that point me that way. Bottom of page 24 through page 26. And don't tell me what you usually do when you specifically asked for tricky questions to get your mind in the game, dearest :p I wasn't making a judgement on their exchange, was just looking to see how you felt about it and why.
Apologies ^.^
What I took out of it was that yamato backed off, so he must have some degree of town read + respect for you (marv) and Hapa. He (yamato) said he will put him (ShiaoPi) on his watch list, which is great because it means more stuff from ShiaoPi and yamato held to higher degree of contribution. Nothing worrisome yet for me.
I like this ObviousOne direction. Let's hammer out some more discussion / focus on him. Here's what caught my eye
On June 21 2013 14:13 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 13:49 Hapahauli wrote:
In all seriousness, I do want to policy lynch Oats. Every game I've played with him, he's contributed to a toxic town atmosphere by tunneling obv-townies beyond the point of reason. I'm all for killing him until I find an actual scum-read. I'm getting town vibes from Oats. What you said is mostly correct, however. He is a good policy lynch if it comes down to one. He mucks up the thread with his random interjections. His tunnels can be beyond paranoid. I don't see a reason to think he's mafia. Coag, what do you think about Oats and my thoughts regarding him? Are you going to hit-and-run style post all game?
He asks Coag (of all people), about his thoughts on Oats (a town read). If he wanted thoughts on Oats, there were people already talking about it. If he wanted thoughts from Coag, I think there could have been better questions. Do you think this is strange / different / scummy?
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On June 22 2013 07:50 Ange777 wrote:
@marv: I just feel like I would be more careful about making any promises as scum because people will remember them and hold me to account for them and the least I would want is stand out badly. Right now I'd put Obvious in the same categorie as the other lurkers.
@Sloosh:
What part of Obvious' entry made you suspicious?
It's one way you catch scum. For example, Liar Game last year. A game full of TL's finest players, won handily by EchelonTee as mafia. In the post-game, it was pointed out that EchelonTee promised to come down on sandroba if he lurked; sandroba proceeded to lurk, but Echelon never came down on him. People either didn't notice this or didn't pick up on its importance.
I think the point I'm trying to make is that it wasn't a *promise*, it was a statement of what a good townie looks like, importantly made at a time when he was actually making a few posts. He's posting, it looks good, sounds nice. There's not necessarily forethought at that point in time.
And we both know how deliberate a player you are anyway, darling.
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On June 22 2013 07:52 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 07:42 marvellosity wrote:On June 22 2013 07:39 slOosh wrote:On June 22 2013 07:30 marvellosity wrote:
Damn slOosh, I was hoping for something wordier. Try this one on then:
3) Do yamato and hapa's interactions today look natural, like two townies interacting? Or how do you view it?
I'll try to answer it, but could you first clarify either a string of posts / pages for me to refer to, or perhaps the dialogue that you found strange / scummy / (? I'm not sure). I don't really look at interactions unless we get some flips that point me that way. Bottom of page 24 through page 26. And don't tell me what you usually do when you specifically asked for tricky questions to get your mind in the game, dearest :p I wasn't making a judgement on their exchange, was just looking to see how you felt about it and why. Apologies ^.^ What I took out of it was that yamato backed off, so he must have some degree of town read + respect for you (marv) and Hapa. He (yamato) said he will put him (ShiaoPi) on his watch list, which is great because it means more stuff from ShiaoPi and yamato held to higher degree of contribution. Nothing worrisome yet for me.
Alright. Wasn't worrisome for me either, so that's good.
I like this ObviousOne direction. Let's hammer out some more discussion / focus on him. Here's what caught my eye Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 14:13 ObviousOne wrote:On June 21 2013 13:49 Hapahauli wrote:
In all seriousness, I do want to policy lynch Oats. Every game I've played with him, he's contributed to a toxic town atmosphere by tunneling obv-townies beyond the point of reason. I'm all for killing him until I find an actual scum-read. I'm getting town vibes from Oats. What you said is mostly correct, however. He is a good policy lynch if it comes down to one. He mucks up the thread with his random interjections. His tunnels can be beyond paranoid. I don't see a reason to think he's mafia. Coag, what do you think about Oats and my thoughts regarding him? Are you going to hit-and-run style post all game? He asks Coag (of all people), about his thoughts on Oats (a town read). If he wanted thoughts on Oats, there were people already talking about it. If he wanted thoughts from Coag, I think there could have been better questions. Do you think this is strange / different / scummy?
It's a tricky one. See instinctively I'd say that trying to engage coag on about anything isn't a terrible idea, and it actually got a response out of coag. It seems early enough on the game that there wasn't that much going on by then to ask him about. I don't think I read that much into that one.
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Fair enough, I'll keep that in mind.
I don't know how I am supposed to take your last sentence though ... As a compliment or as a warning? 
It's late, I am off to bed now.
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On June 22 2013 07:59 Ange777 wrote:Fair enough, I'll keep that in mind. I don't know how I am supposed to take your last sentence though ... As a compliment or as a warning? It's late, I am off to bed now.
Haha. Neither in particular, was more pointing out that you have a way of thinking about things that would lead you to think that others are similarly careful and deliberate as you (with regards to Obvious posting about activity).
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On June 22 2013 07:49 Hapahauli wrote:@ sloOshShow nested quote +On June 22 2013 07:43 slOosh wrote:On June 22 2013 07:38 Hapahauli wrote:
@ slOosh
I'm more interested in the content you decide to produce yourself (namely scumhunting) than anything else. Are you all caught up?
More or less. The general things that caught my eye were ObviousOne's entry and ShiaoPi's entry. Can you give me a fuller opinion on Shiao (besides his entry of course)?
Umm ... his other posts look better. I like that he is posting on goodkarma, which is "unique" (opposed to going with the flow non contributary post scum sometimes make). I'll wait on reading goodkarma's posts and their interaction before I can give you a better judgement call than that.
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And my time is up 
I enjoyed this pleasant exchange marv. I hope we can continue it tomorrow morning. I dearly hope you are not blindsiding me. I've decided to latch onto you, and deciding that whatever you are looking at is worth looking into, since I need some way to adapt to a higher post game.
Affectionately,
dearest slOosh
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@ sloOsh
Well that made me feel a bit better.
##Unvote
Get back to me on GK when you can.
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Vote Count
marvellosity (1): cDgCorazon, Coagulation
cDgCorazon (0): Oatsmaster
Oatsmaster (1): Hapahauli, cDgCorazon
yamato77 (2): DarthPunk, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet
ShiaoPi (1): marvellosity, goodkarma, yamato77
goodkarma (1): ShiaoPi
slOosh (0): Hapahauli
ObviousOne (1): marvellosity
Deadline is at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) in .
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On June 22 2013 06:57 Ange777 wrote:
Okay, so first of all to answer your question:
@DarthPunk:
I have not played any recent games with ObviousOne, so I don't know why he would be scummy for doing the same as Hapa. Do you have any "proof" to show that a townie ObviousOne should not do this?
@rayn:
I didn't understand whether Oats was seriously referring to his own reasoning as bad. So after he clarified it, I felt like I could understand how he got his reads. Regarding Coag, I really don't like his filter but people seem to simply ignore him (even marv does not take him seriously and he is the target of Coag's lynch campaign) so I prefer to concentrate on people I have played with and whom I might actually read accurately on day 1.
Yeah. THe 'proof' (talking about proof in a game like mafia smh) Is that he spends like most of the first post of the game talking about why oats is town and then in the very next paragraph says he is willing to lynch oates. It makes his town read disingenuous, and i struggle to find how a townie would be willing to lynch someone he spent so much effort establishing as town.
It doesn't make any sense. Hapa did not spend all of his first post calling oates town and then saying he could lynch oates.
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On June 22 2013 07:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 07:37 Ange777 wrote:
@marv:
Wouldn't a scum Obvious be more conscious about promoting activity and failing it himself as a scum player? This would be logical yes, but I don't rely on mafia to carry through on their promises. Also, as far as I remember no-one else has pulled him up on this until I have so far - maybe he hopes it just looks nice at the time, at a time when he *is* actually making a couple of posts. In Smurf Obvious posted nicely as mafia but as little as possible, whereas when Obvious is town he actively tries to solve the game. I think I've talked myself into voting him, he's my best lead for now ^^ ##Vote: Obvious
On the rare occasions marv and I agree it means caught scum or a mislynched blazinghand. Wonderful things either way.
##vote:Obviousone
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On June 22 2013 07:50 Ange777 wrote:
@marv: I just feel like I would be more careful about making any promises as scum because people will remember them and hold me to account for them and the least I would want is stand out badly. Right now I'd put Obvious in the same categorie as the other lurkers.
@Sloosh:
What part of Obvious' entry made you suspicious?
Nah broken promise plus wanting to policy lynch his town read is not the same as other lurkers.
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guys. Yamato has no scum reads, he was super easily convinced about his strongest scumread being town. Within a period of 30 minutes. Then he fucks off again. He isnt scumhunting, he is throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.
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On June 22 2013 10:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
guys. Yamato has no scum reads, he was super easily convinced about his strongest scumread being town. Within a period of 30 minutes. Then he fucks off again. He isnt scumhunting, he is throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.
and he didn't answer any of the questions we wanted answered last night. If we don;t lynch obvious i probably want to lynch yamato.
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@ Yamato
Two things:
1) I keep going back to this pare of quotes by you and getting bad vibes about them:
On June 21 2013 14:36 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 14:33 Hapahauli wrote:On June 21 2013 14:32 yamato77 wrote:On June 21 2013 14:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 21 2013 14:29 yamato77 wrote:On June 21 2013 14:25 Hapahauli wrote:On June 21 2013 14:24 yamato77 wrote:On June 21 2013 14:22 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato
We're at about ~5 pages of filter, so you should have enough information to carry this game. What are your thoughts on the players who have posted so far? Coag and DP are the only people I'm actually worried about at this point. Talk to me about DP a bit. It usually takes me a while to have a concrete read on him, so I'm surprised you have worries this early. He just hasn't done anything that would make me swing either way about him. This continued angry-man act is a bit disconcerting. So you are 'worried about me for no reason' and the only thing you mention is something which i have done consistently as both alignments since the beginning of time. Why would you mention me at all if you actually had no reason for the read? And what about coag? What has coag done to make you worried? It's precisely that neither of you have done anything particularly townish at all that worries me. It's obviously early, but I have quite a few soft town reads already. This makes absolutely no sense. DarthPunk is one of the most notoriously hard-to-read players on TL. Why would him not doing "anything particularly townish" be a cause for concern? Especially when he's incredibly good at acting "townish" as scum? It's a process of elimination, obviously. I'm not worried about the other people who have posted. I am still perplexed about DP and Coag's alignment. I don't think there's that much to argue about, really. Both of you seem to be admitting to the fact that nothing he has done is alignment indicative.
On June 21 2013 14:41 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 14:38 Hapahauli wrote:On June 21 2013 14:36 yamato77 wrote:On June 21 2013 14:33 Hapahauli wrote:On June 21 2013 14:32 yamato77 wrote:On June 21 2013 14:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 21 2013 14:29 yamato77 wrote:On June 21 2013 14:25 Hapahauli wrote:On June 21 2013 14:24 yamato77 wrote:On June 21 2013 14:22 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato
We're at about ~5 pages of filter, so you should have enough information to carry this game. What are your thoughts on the players who have posted so far? Coag and DP are the only people I'm actually worried about at this point. Talk to me about DP a bit. It usually takes me a while to have a concrete read on him, so I'm surprised you have worries this early. He just hasn't done anything that would make me swing either way about him. This continued angry-man act is a bit disconcerting. So you are 'worried about me for no reason' and the only thing you mention is something which i have done consistently as both alignments since the beginning of time. Why would you mention me at all if you actually had no reason for the read? And what about coag? What has coag done to make you worried? It's precisely that neither of you have done anything particularly townish at all that worries me. It's obviously early, but I have quite a few soft town reads already. This makes absolutely no sense. DarthPunk is one of the most notoriously hard-to-read players on TL. Why would him not doing "anything particularly townish" be a cause for concern? Especially when he's incredibly good at acting "townish" as scum? It's a process of elimination, obviously. I'm not worried about the other people who have posted. I am still perplexed about DP and Coag's alignment. I don't think there's that much to argue about, really. Both of you seem to be admitting to the fact that nothing he has done is alignment indicative. So what is it exactly that you mean by "worry"? If you think DP is a null read, that's a very odd word choice. Also, does the bolded imply that you have town-reads on every other person who has posted in this game? Because I find that very hard to believe given the sample-size thusfar. I have weak town reads on most of the other players in the game, for varying reasons. At the very least, I can ignore them until later in the game when their alignment should be clearer.Why DP isn't one of those town reads is cause for concern, yes. He's been perfectly readable in the past.
This mentality of "I have a bunch of weak-townreads that I'm just not concerned with" doesn't seem very townie. You seem overly trusting of the situation and lack the natural paranoia that I'm accustomed to seeing in your town-game.
The bolded passage (in the second quote) I find most disconcerting, because weak town reads aren't an excuse not to look at someone early on Day 1. Much less when that list at the time included ObviousOne, sloOsh, and Sylencia (all of whom had 1-4 unsubstantial posts at the time).
2) The way you backed off Shaio doesn't make much sense to me either. You're a player known for very strong-tunnels, and often very willingly confront the opinions of veteran players to push your own thoughts and scum-reads. In the case of Shiao, you backing down from your vote with so little resistance isn't what I associate with your town-meta.
Futhermore, your unvote post...
On June 22 2013 04:03 yamato77 wrote:
So if it isn't alignment indicative, as the both of you claim, I suppose there's nothing else about his posting that raises any alarms.
##unvote
Notably, he is on my watch list still.
...makes no sense.
Shiao's "post architecture" wasn't the only reason you were suspicious of him. By contrast, your suspicions on him started because of another of his posts:
On June 21 2013 14:45 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 14:41 ShiaoPi wrote:
why is yamato so pro at looking scummy as shit regardless of what alignment he is? anyone tell me? Or am I remembering wrong? This is the kind of thing I expect out of a scum Shiao.
There very clearly was other posting you were "suspicious" of, and it seems like you forgot about the original reasons you were suspicious of Shiao.
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vote for him hapa. voteee
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On June 22 2013 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
vote for him hapa. voteee
I vote when I'm either extremely bored or reasonably convinced of someone's guilt. Neither condition is satisfied right now.
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you can unvote when he satisfied you with his answers
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On June 22 2013 07:49 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Cora
You need to take a deep breath, step outside, and come back in an hour or so.
This isn't a game about a grudge with Marv - it's a game about finding mafia. Antagonizing people isn't going to get us anywhere.
The problem is that Marv tunnels me in every single game we play together. How is that helpful ever?
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Also Marv, I don't think everyone agrees with you that I'm being detrimental to this town:
On June 21 2013 14:20 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 14:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 21 2013 14:16 ObviousOne wrote:On June 21 2013 14:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
#unvote
Dont hipster vote cora.
DP and hapa are scum.
Please don't be a kushmasta explain why you think they are town Cora was so blatant about his icebreaker he even "crumbed it" in his modified song lyrics. If you took his push on Marv seriously you should look at the things that it accomplished: 1. He got conversation in the thread started. 2. He got a vote out of Coag that, while weak in the explanation department, gave us information about Coag. 3. He drew you out into a tunnel that has divulged a lot of information about you 4. Set the stage for a confrontational and questioning town atmosphere 5. Established his towniness all within like 6 pages of the game.
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