On June 14 2013 02:55 Blazinghand wrote: Hello friends. I'm back from dinner and ready to party. I suppose a VA lynch isn't possible today because he'll pardon himself; that's okay, we can still lynch GM.
GM "What I am truly unsure about is the degree to which you(BH) actually care about your ego. I would think you're more likely to discard this ego as a scum player in favor of lying, but I cannot, of course, be sure."
have you any idea what he was thinking?
how is "discarding ego" even related to "lying"?
I'm pretty sure he was just trying to get me mad about my ego. I don't really know what was going through his mind-- the townie mindset / chain of logic is not apparent to me in his posts as it is in Hapa's posts. He has defended himself by saying he has posted a lot and interacted with a lot of people, both of which are true-- but this is not why I think he is scum. His posts don't flow together like a guy trying to figure things out, they don't have an underlying motivation to hunt scum in them. He fake getting mad as much as he likes (classic WoS tactic from last game when he was scum) but I'm not getting suckered by it this time.
K actually have to go now. I'm not even going to read this thread from my phone until I get back or it's going to make me rage. I'll be back before lynch and catch up then.
On June 14 2013 03:10 ShiaoPi wrote: who would be your secondary read?
Unfortunately, my secondary read is VA. Since due the mechanics of the mayor role he can't be lynched (and obviously won't shoot himself) I consider GM to be my top scumread. To expound on VA: The only reason I didn't lynch him (and he wasn't lynched) D1 was due to his cop claim. Hapa thought of him as town during N1, and wisely left him the mayoral power. But contrast how hapa used the bullet (he forced people to talk, kept the thread active, and refined his reads using the power of the bullet) to how VA has used it (not at all, not even really pushing people with the threat, other than a supremely half-assed threat on me). VA lied about his "cop check" (it's still not clear to me whether he got a check or not and on who, and if that can be trusted) and has basically been jerking us around. The only reason he's alive is because he's the mayor and claimed cop. I have a policy of not lynching blue claims D1, but it isn't D1 any more.
To be more clear on VA's usage of the bullet: If I had a bullet, I'd probably instantly shoot it at GM. But if i didn't have strong scumreads, what would I do? Well, I'd try to use the bullet to get strong scumreads. A town player naturally wants to hunt scum, and to him a bullet is an invaluable asset for doing so. Why not use it to force people to talk? Why not pull all kinds of shenannies, give people deadlines, keep the thread moving, develop/pressure reads instantly?
Think about the amount of power you have when you can say to one of your scumreads, "you're dead in 2 hours unless you convince me otherwise" or something similar. For any townie the bullet is a massive asset.
VA, however, has been exceedingly cautious (barring his idle threat of me) in using his bullet or talking about it. A scum player would naturally be worried about it since who he shoots gives a lot away about him. A scum player would view the bullet also as a liability since using it explains a lot on his mindset. Whereas scum can mildly bus a scumbuddy with a vote, if you bus a scumbuddy with a bullet he's dead.
VA's acting a lot more like a guy who is afraid of his bullet than a guy who wants to shoot someone, or a guy who wants to use the bullet to get better reads.
On May 22 2013 14:32 Blazinghand wrote: WoS if you think I'm scum, you think I'm scum. That's fine. 2 people think I'm not scum, which means there are still like 8 votes on me-- I'm getting lynched. My read on you is legitimate, and if you think the reason I won't back down on it is my "pride" as opposed to some other thing like being scum, then I'm not sure that's legit. Look, I'm dead today anyways. you can't scare me by threatening to lynch me or vote me.
You can threaten to not interact with me and not discuss my reads to me, and that bothers me, but it won't change my mind about you and it won't make me lie and say I don't think you're scum. I'm not even sure you're scum. You're not my top read, not by a long shot-- and unlike a lot of players you are here trying to discuss this.
If you want, we can not discuss my scumread of you. I'm okay with that. Or we can ignore each other and do our own distinct bests to contribute. I'm also okay with that. I'm not trying to enrage you. I have nothing to lose, I'm dead today-- I'm just doing my best to say "even though I got mislynched, I secured a win for my team"
Death is not the end.
See, you're not even reading my intentions properly. The reason I think you're scum is because you're deliberately lying. Fuck not shitting up the thread, I'll show you right now. In this post alone you do it. I'm not asking you to back down on your scumread of me, but you think I am. I'm asking you to admit your lies that brought you to the scumread. I'm not asking you to say I'm not scum at all. You say "if you want, we can not discuss my scumread of you," trying to paint me fucking scummy like I'm trying to avoid you, WHEN I FUCKING ASKED YOU MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT YOUR READ OF ME
Well sorry man, I just don't think of you as like top scum #1. I've made a lot of promises about things I'd read about and reads I'd give, and after briefly discussing you with stutters I had other fish to fry and dinners to eat. Pretending to be mad isn't going to help anyone here.
On May 22 2013 08:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 22 2013 08:33 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 22 2013 08:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh I see, misunderstanding. I meant do you have scumreads outside of JJD/dandel/GK?
1) 3 scumreads is clearly enough 2) I no longer have a scumread on JJD, if you've been reading my interaction with stutters this page 3) not really a solid scumread on DI, though this is suject to change 4) you
1) Why is that enough? Who are your three? 2) I have been 3) ok 4) elaborate please
1) well, in the event of a 3p SK, there's probably 3 scum, and generally as a rule I try to focus on a small number of scumreads. At the moment, I'd say they're GK, then you and DI in the back (though this needs to be expanded on) 2) clearly you weren't, or you missed posts while writing your posts. You asked what scumreads I had about JJD after I walked back my JJD scumread. 3) ok 4) I'll get to you after I get to some other promises that I made first.
On May 22 2013 08:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 22 2013 09:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 22 2013 08:46 Stutters695 wrote: His three would be GK, you, DI in order of scumminess based off of our talks.
Alright I was about to ask where the hell he mentioned me but it appears he posted while I was writing something and I missed it.
I'm curious as to why 3 scumreads is enough. I'd also still like him to elaborate on me because that's a hell of a lot less detail he goes into than he did regarding GK.
I'm modestly sure WoS is scum. He had an extremely flip-floppy post earlier in the game (link). I had him as one of my top scumreads over the course of D1, and it seems like he's fishing for reasons to attack me (like, what? I'm clearly getting lynched today) and not really reading what I have to write today. I'm not as positive on this as I am on my GK scumread though.
A days-old read is not enough imo, especially since he says I was one of his top scumreads and he did absolutely nothing about it. I'm fishing for reasons to attack him as well he says, when in fact I'm trying to cover all avenues and possibilities because as I've said multiple times, I'M NOT sure BH is 100% scum. BH you say I don't read what you've wrote but have you read at all what I've written about you? This is a completely baseless attack on me and reeks of absolutely no effort. Why do I not deserve the effort you seem to have started putting into the game recently?
You STILL have not responded to this. Now would you like me to point out the points in your discussion of the case with other people where you are lying about me, or would you like to do that yourself?
Um, I don't know where I'm lying about you. Like, most of what I said was literally cut/pasted or paraphrased from previous posts in my filter, so if I was lying now, why didn't you call me out when I said it during D1?
Look WoS, you're being an abrasive guy and I get that that's your thing right now, but don't shit up the thread during my last 12 hours alive. I need to make use of this time. If your goal is to say I'm scum, ok, fine. If you're not sure I'm scum and are trying to determine my alignment as you claim, then go right ahead. I'll answer your questions.
Believe it or not, my read on you is based on in part D1 stuff, as are a lot of my reads in all of my games. Just because it's now D2 (and a very quiet D2 at that, since scum doesn't want to rock the boat of this lynch) doesn't mean what happened D1 doesn't matter. If I had a scumread on you D1 and didn't push it well enough, fine-- that's on me. Sorry for not getting you lynched during D1, when I was playing in 3 games at once.
I've put lots of effort into this game today, but it's spread around. It's not gonna be 50% WoS, 50% non-WoS. From everyone's perspective individually, most of my talking is going to be about people that's not them.
Really though, let's keep it civil. I need to make this time count, whereas you have more time than me to accomplish your goals.
Lol pretending to be mad. Tell me again how you're not antagonizing me? Let's go through this one systematically: You don't think of me as scum #1. Ok, I get that.
You then call me out for not reading your posts on the page when you do the exact same fucking thing to me. Except that I read them and I already explained to you that it was a misunderstanding; I was not asking for your read on JJD, I was asking for your reads on people OTHER than those I mentioned. Which again, you'd know if you cared to read what I post, which obviously you don't cause you're trying to piss me off.
Your D1 scumread of me. I didn't call you out about it because there was nothing to call you out about. I wasn't calling you out for the content itself, I was calling you out because it's an old fucking read that you appear to be proud enough of to tout it all over the place yet you never elaborate or push it. I didn't feel the need to defend it at the time because you went nowhere with it and it wasn't derailing our lynch targets. I can defend it now if you'd like; it won't be hard in the slightest.
You dare tell ME not to shit up a thread when YOU need the time when you drunkposted and fucked up the thread for what like, an entire night with our scummy shenanigans?
If scum don't want to rock the boat, and you see me as scum, then kindly explain WHAT THE FUCK IVE BEEN DOING ALL FUCKING DAY. Your hypocrisy just shines through like the fucking break of dawn.
I'm not asking you to give me 50% of your time, just answer one set of questions you blatantly ignored by bypassing me and moving on other people you made 'promises' to.
On May 22 2013 14:56 WaveofShadow wrote: I SO want to be done with you right now, you patronizing &%#*&*#@. Nobody fucking baits me into this shit better than you, BH. I guess you should be proud? Now first of all:
On May 22 2013 12:57 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 22 2013 12:49 Stutters695 wrote: BH can you give me a rundown on what you see in WoS. It doesn't have to be super in depth but when I did a skim of his filter it really didn't seem that bad.
Sure! part of it is this post here (link) which to me looks like scum angling to be ABLE to place a vote on a potential wagon, but not willing to actually lay down his cards. Also, his interactions with me today have struck me as quite "off". I'm not sure why he seems so keen on attacking me for ignoring him when I haven't been ignoring him, or trying to make me look bad when there's no realistic way I'm not getting lynched. Being afk from the thread because you're bored is one thing-- showing up in the thread and posting without trying to contribute on anything other than an essentially predetermined lynch is quite another.
Admittedly, he has recently interacted at GK. That being said, I don't like that he's pushing at and prodding GK without responding to my requests to look at the case I wrote, either. This all seems very off, very not like someone trying.
I get that this isn't the strongest of reads, but his wishywashiness D1 and his play today strike me as scum angling to blend in and look good rather than someone legitimately trying to find things out about the game.
This horseshit post. How dare you say I'm not fucking contributing.
On May 22 2013 09:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 22 2013 08:46 Stutters695 wrote: His three would be GK, you, DI in order of scumminess based off of our talks.
Alright I was about to ask where the hell he mentioned me but it appears he posted while I was writing something and I missed it.
I'm curious as to why 3 scumreads is enough. I'd also still like him to elaborate on me because that's a hell of a lot less detail he goes into than he did regarding GK.
I'm modestly sure WoS is scum. He had an extremely flip-floppy post earlier in the game (link). I had him as one of my top scumreads over the course of D1, and it seems like he's fishing for reasons to attack me (like, what? I'm clearly getting lynched today) and not really reading what I have to write today. I'm not as positive on this as I am on my GK scumread though.
A days-old read is not enough imo, especially since he says I was one of his top scumreads and he did absolutely nothing about it. I'm fishing for reasons to attack him as well he says, when in fact I'm trying to cover all avenues and possibilities because as I've said multiple times, I'M NOT sure BH is 100% scum. BH you say I don't read what you've wrote but have you read at all what I've written about you? This is a completely baseless attack on me and reeks of absolutely no effort. Why do I not deserve the effort you seem to have started putting into the game recently?
On May 22 2013 09:53 WaveofShadow wrote: JJD: NMM XXXIX - Ok the game I was originally thinking of when talking to Marv was NMM LX. I watched this game too and paid more attention to it than LX; I remember one of the players (scum) with the stupidest fakeclaim ever but it won them the game anyway lol. JJD's role in this game was Medic.
Upon reading this (my meta reads are shit but marv asked) right off the bat I notice he is much less afraid here to engage other people in discussions and most importantly, questions. He is not the most prolific poster around but despite his filter not being absolutely massive is not afraid whatsoever to point out other people's lack of posting/lurking. Just overall a clear and obvious effort in this game from JJD.
I sort of see what marv was originally looking for me to look for...there is a sort of aggression that certainly isn't present in XXXIX but I don't get the same feels that marv is, I guess. What stands out to me here is most of his posts and cases are set up to be almost rhetorical; that is he doesn't often directly address anyone in the thread, he simply posts. It's almost seems like avoiding eye contact when you're guilty. He doesn't often directly question anyone or follow a specific line of questioning very long as opposed to in XXXIX.
/meta Take the above with a grain of salt because again I am not confident in my meta reads very much. They could go either way and I wouldn't mind if someone else looked into it to see if it has any merit.
His overall tunnely play against BH and grubbing for towncred I COULD see as town play, but I don't get then where he starts to suspect DP of bussing. I suppose not everyone sees things the way I do but I HIGHLY doubt in any way DPis anything but town the way he's been playing.
On May 20 2013 22:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On May 20 2013 22:46 marvellosity wrote:
On May 20 2013 22:39 JarJarDrinks wrote: All caught up.
So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm
FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO.
I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town.
Why on earth would you put forward the theory that DP is bussing? There's zero indication in your filter thus far that you think DP is suspicious.
Well for starters I've been trying to push for a BH lynch all game. But DP still has me as a top scumread despite basically saying that he's 100% sure BH is scum. He earlier accused me of being a scummie that's too attached to my badwagon. You would think he'd back off me a bit since he supposedly believes that the guy I've been bandwagoning is scum.
Like...this post is almost like a scum pleading at town "But wait guys! I think BH is scum and look at all the scummy things he did! Why do you still think I'm scum? I'm with you guise!!"
On May 21 2013 01:24 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK, Check out how hard DarthPunk was defending Sputnik
On May 19 2013 23:53 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 19 2013 23:49 iamperfection wrote: We can kill sputnik today see if BH pulls his head out of his ass.
Sputnik is a bad lynch. He played exactly like this in his last town game. JJD is known to lurk as scum and can be active as town. Better lurker lynch of the two IMO
On May 19 2013 23:58 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 19 2013 23:56 iamperfection wrote:
On May 19 2013 23:53 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 19 2013 23:49 iamperfection wrote: We can kill sputnik today see if BH pulls his head out of his ass.
Sputnik is a bad lynch. He played exactly like this in his last town game. JJD is known to lurk as scum and can be active as town. Better lurker lynch of the two IMO
Sputnik claimed in the thread he isn't trying to hunt scum
OK. Go read his last game as blue, Read this game, and then realise he has played EXACTLY THIS WAY AS TOWN.
I don't get why you are pushing this so hard.
On May 20 2013 00:49 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 20 2013 00:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
On May 19 2013 23:58 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 19 2013 23:56 iamperfection wrote:
On May 19 2013 23:53 DarthPunk wrote: [quote]
Sputnik is a bad lynch. He played exactly like this in his last town game. JJD is known to lurk as scum and can be active as town. Better lurker lynch of the two IMO
Sputnik claimed in the thread he isn't trying to hunt scum
OK. Go read his last game as blue, Read this game, and then realise he has played EXACTLY THIS WAY AS TOWN.
I don't get why you are pushing this so hard.
Why would he not play exactly the same as scum too?
It's not like it's hard footsteps to follow, eh?
On May 19 2013 23:57 iamperfection wrote: Also you guys use meta way to much
OK. Look at it this way. JJD is KNOWN to lurk as scum and not lurk as town. It is more likely that if he is lurking he is scum.
Sputnik is KNOWN to lurk as town and ???? as scum. Therefore there is no reason to believe sputnik lurking has anything at all to do with his alignment.
On May 20 2013 01:48 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 20 2013 01:44 marvellosity wrote: DP, I really don't like your meta comparison with sputnik. Sure he was inactive and got modkilled, but that's not really what I'm looking at at least.
In the game in the database, he made one, er, "trolly/fun" (? bad description maybe) post but then all of his subsequent posts were on the ball, talking about the game, calmly written. He asked about mayors running, he gave his preference (none :p) on the candidates, he gave his opinion.
In this game he's yapped around in some weird Les Mis character I guess and offered no opinions on anything, other than a silly little list post.
I think the use of meta here to clear his play is completely incorrect.
it was purely activity based, and he was vig shot in that game not modkilled.
JJD has done nothing also. If JJD does something I am fine with switching.
On May 20 2013 01:52 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 20 2013 01:49 marvellosity wrote: You can't meta activity on one previous game, because it doesn't support or deny anything.
OK there are two useless players.
Player 1 I expect nothing from
Player 2 I expect something from
Until player 2 meets my expectations I want to lynch him over player 1.
So why the F does he end up voting sputnik????
On May 20 2013 02:13 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 20 2013 02:10 s0Lstice wrote: Oy the claim
##unvote
All things considered, I'd be down with a sputnik lynch. I'm a little worried he rolled blue, and that's what his 'VT claim' was, but I have a history of being derpy around blues. Outside of that though there's nothing in his filter that I like and he's useless.
Don't want to lynch GK today, already said why.
Don't think I want to lynch JarJar....he is capable of being a perfectly active little townie from what I'm seeing in the game Marv was talking about. He says during the week he will do better, so I want to wait and see on him.
Need to read up on Dandel, that's what I'm gonna do now.
This is a good point actually. Im fine lynching him later if he doesn't drastically improve.
##unvote: ##Vote Sputnik
That explains why he'd take his vote off me. But it doesn't explain why he'd vote for the person that he had spent the previous 3 hours telling us was probably town. That was really the person he thought was the best lynch?
I don't why people are reading DP as such a townie cause I'm definately not seeing it.
His case here and push on DP is interesting to say the least, but then he goes right back to BH and not a word at all about DP from then on where he magically flips onto me out of absolutely fucking nowhere.
I don't know...there are things in here I COULD see from a town perspective I guess? There are a whole bunch of other scummy things on top of it though and I think the scummy things win out. Especially since he appears to be pretty damn lurky long past his promised 'weekend lurking' time. A few posts a day is not enough.
On May 22 2013 10:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok yeah this one is Newbie XL, the one I was talking about where all three scum derped and voteswitched with 5 min to go at LYLO. Already his filter is absolutely tiny in a game that has more pages than the previous one where he was town. Hmm. Well at a quick glance he seems to be actually directly engaging people in conversation somewhat and asking questions though he never follows a line of questioning at all, just pops in and out and does random shit. Figures my earlier meta basis is likely wrong, though there is something to be said that he doesn't really push anyone at all this game....could be due to lurk, could be due to scum or both.
Either way he seems to be doing more this game than that earlier scum game?
I don't know fuck the meta.
Lol mathematically though at a glance (this is kinda funny, don't know if I'd vote him just based on this but still): NMM XXXIX - TOWN - Filter is 4 pages, thread is 33 = 12% NMM LX - SCUM - Filter is 2 pages, thread is 59 = 3% This game---???? Filter is 2 pages, thread is 99 thus far = 2% Which fits more?
(Obviously there are other factors like size of the game and how long the game was going for but JJD is well on track to fall FAR below his rate of posting as town)
That's one. Do you want more? I have plenty.
Your first quote is talking about me (and GK, who i mentioned). Your second quote is a really long null-read on JJD that you say to take "with a grain of salt". Your third quote is talking about GK, who I acknowledged you talk about. Your final post is a weird and noneuseful meta read, including a reference to NMM LX which is a game that hasn't taken place yet, since we're on still on NMM XLII.
I dont' see any real contributions here, but I see a lot of stuff that looks like it!
Typo, you smart-ass. NMM XL. And you're smarter than that to think I'd be talking about a game that doesn't exist. If this isn't proof you're trying to antagonize me I don't know what is. I'm done with you. Swing by the neck until you are dead.
I can agree with your points on vayne. Currently just more or less ignoring him as he is claimed cop+unlynchable and night will give us more insight on him.
I don't like either of them a huge amount, but it's not a super informed read. I'm going to sit down with their filters and put together something more solid.
seriously bh why cant you just play like you did in this discussion with me all the time? is that really asking too much off you? ugh need to reevaluate my reads now, but I need some sleep its almost 3 am here. ##unvote Will be back in the morning to catch up and make up my mind about my vote then, with hopefully more from everyone.
Regarding GK, aside from giving him a bit of extra time to get rolling, I won't be using meta to make a scumread on him. He has demonstrated that sometimes as town he plays word perfect to his scum meta, so the only way to go about it is look for scum motivation. GK's activity today has been pretty meh (though he's taken some strong stances). He threw some scumreads around then eventually voted me. It doesn't look to me like he's pushing a scum agenda, but this isn't the town GK I know and love. I still would give him until D3 to get his act together. If he doesn't, he should probably be lynched.
Sylencia: it's pretty obvious he's putting an only cursory effort into this game, and that's a problem. That being said, this is just kinda what the guy looks like. I give him some credit though because when does post... my gut says it sounds townie. There isn't enough in his filter for me to get a more serious read, but I consider him low prio for lynching.
Shiaopi is probably town for interacting with me and getting me to give reads. No reason for scum to do that tbh.
AG is town. He's trying to figure the game out and move things forwards.
I'll be in and out for a few hours, but here to respond to general queries. In the meantime, contemplate the fact that GM is scum and listen to some sweet music
if you cant slam with the best then jam with the rest
Funny, I was going to post some music myself as it popped on my playlist in the car.
I realize I may not be around until after deadline as I have to watch the rest of our recorded Masterchef from last night after my guy goes to sleep so I'll try to pop in and out sporadically.
BH, you say I only get angry in my single scum game, huh? Have we forgotten what happens when you base all of your ideas on someone's play from only one game? Tell me, did I or did I not get angry when you were scum and I was town in Carnival Cruise, too?
Shiao I'm honestly shocked that BH showing up, giving a couple weak reads and then fucking off is enough for you to unvote. What a shining example of towniness, that BH.
VA, if you show up, I'd like to make a request of you. If you still don't have any super strong townreads by the end of today to pass off the mayorship to, and if I am set to be lynched, I want you to shoot me before the day is out so you can get BH lynched.
There is absolutely no way in hell BH is town; this is not just an example of two townies going at it. I am 100% sure of this.
VA do NOT shoot me immediately. That gives BH enough time to talk himself out of a lynch. Give it an hour or so before the lynch.
I think I already see how this is going down, too. Since Oats is Oats and for some inexplicable reason thinks BH is town, he will be voting me, then scum Sylencia will be safe to jump on the wagon too and vote me. It's going to come down to Shiao and Stutters, and I don't know whether Stutters is scum or not.
I don't even think a 1 for 1 trade is optimal for us right now either but I just don't think I can convince enough people in here otherwise.
EPT
