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On April 07 2013 18:44 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 18:43 Fusilero wrote:On April 07 2013 18:41 letian wrote:
Who do you think will be fielded in case it is ACE? Huk he's doing too damn well in practice. I wouldnt mind seeing HuK vs AriA first to 10 mistakes loses
game ends before the first pylon is done
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opterown
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On April 07 2013 18:44 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 18:43 Fusilero wrote:On April 07 2013 18:41 letian wrote:
Who do you think will be fielded in case it is ACE? Huk he's doing too damn well in practice. I wouldnt mind seeing HuK vs AriA first to 10 mistakes loses
biased man, just cos you have aria on main team
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On April 07 2013 18:41 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 18:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:On April 07 2013 18:39 opterown wrote:On April 07 2013 18:38 Type|NarutO wrote:
Can anyone tell me when FPL points are added? After all teams have played once? whenever r1ch has the time also depending on how well his team is doing He put Jeahoon in his anti team ... :D
why would anyone do that? oO
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On April 07 2013 18:43 rothsbury wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 18:39 Insoleet wrote:On April 07 2013 18:37 rothsbury wrote:On April 07 2013 18:35 zergeasiestrace wrote:On April 07 2013 18:34 Insoleet wrote:On April 07 2013 18:31 Tobblish wrote:On April 07 2013 18:30 letian wrote:On April 07 2013 18:25 Tobblish wrote:On April 07 2013 18:21 blade55555 wrote:On April 07 2013 18:19 Tobblish wrote:
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He played very greedy yes and should be punished by it, not even a spine was thrown down. (in the start)
If you truly can't defend your base after having a good lead and seeing that your opponent is coming not once but two and actually even three times.
Imo you shouldn't get a "well played" even not OK but "Improve you didn't play good."
#nofluff
That was my point. He played extremely greedy (I never said he didn't) and he defended about as good as you could considering the situation. He microd his units very well, got his queens to snipe warp prism and then defended. Again playing greedy and getting caught and then defending it very well doesn't = "Wow jaedong played terrible he wasn't prepared!" that's a "jaedong played super greedy should have died/taken a lot of damage but was able to defend very well considering the situation".
At least understand what you are calling terrible and what happened. He also didn't even see the army until it was pretty much at his third so yeah he had no time to put down spines. Exactly. But what I'm saying is that if JD was up against a better Protoss, he would have had no chance. I may come off too hard on the kid but thats whats needed to get some sense into the EG-TL prising fangirls. On a game related note, thats what happens when you play bad and the player you are facing is on your level and not below. "if" is a solid argument, indeed. Next time when JD is up against a better toss, ok? Moreover, Aria came to play after defeating really good players, it would be an understatement saying Aria is a bad toss. His play wasn't exactly perfect either ^^ But your play is always relative to your opponent's play. It's not just about you, it's about how good your opponent is countering what you are doing, and how good you can counter what your opponents do. There is no absolute "i play good", its always relative to what your opponent does and how hard is to react and adjust to his play. That's just flat out wrong. Indeed, by that logic bronze players are decent since they win 50% of the time. There are better players than bronze players, so they can improve their play. Same for Jaedong and Aria. Jaedong played better than Aria. That's it. If Jaedong played perfect and Aria played perfect, then who would be the winner ? There is always better and worst play. If you judge a player's play only by his opponent at the time, then bronze players are good vs. other bronze players. If instead you judge a player's play against the best players in the world at the time (as is much more reasonable), then Jaedong did play badly, and only won because his opponent also played badly. You seem to be defending Jaedong's play by saying that he was better than his opponent, but that does not make his play good unless you go by the first (silly) definition of good play.
If by badly you mean "world top 20 zerg play", then ok, it was bad.
People dont seems to realize how hard it is to manage against immo all in msc when you are going muta RW-less.
It's way easier to execute the immortal all in than surviving it with a RW-less build.
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On April 07 2013 18:44 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 18:43 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 07 2013 18:43 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 07 2013 18:42 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 07 2013 18:41 letian wrote:
Who do you think will be fielded in case it is ACE? Soulkey vs Oz sOs vs Oz Yeah I could see that too it'll guaranteed be sos i think he's like the number one player in the league or something
oh yeah i forgot his proleague record was so good
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Norway25712 Posts
I like Vikings killing Ovies.
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On April 07 2013 18:45 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 18:44 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 07 2013 18:43 Fusilero wrote:On April 07 2013 18:41 letian wrote:
Who do you think will be fielded in case it is ACE? Huk he's doing too damn well in practice. I wouldnt mind seeing HuK vs AriA first to 10 mistakes loses biased man, just cos you have aria on main team
you have AriA on your main team, too D:
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opterown
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On April 07 2013 18:45 Insoleet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 18:43 rothsbury wrote:On April 07 2013 18:39 Insoleet wrote:On April 07 2013 18:37 rothsbury wrote:On April 07 2013 18:35 zergeasiestrace wrote:On April 07 2013 18:34 Insoleet wrote:On April 07 2013 18:31 Tobblish wrote:On April 07 2013 18:30 letian wrote:On April 07 2013 18:25 Tobblish wrote:On April 07 2013 18:21 blade55555 wrote:
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That was my point. He played extremely greedy (I never said he didn't) and he defended about as good as you could considering the situation. He microd his units very well, got his queens to snipe warp prism and then defended. Again playing greedy and getting caught and then defending it very well doesn't = "Wow jaedong played terrible he wasn't prepared!" that's a "jaedong played super greedy should have died/taken a lot of damage but was able to defend very well considering the situation".
At least understand what you are calling terrible and what happened. He also didn't even see the army until it was pretty much at his third so yeah he had no time to put down spines.
Exactly. But what I'm saying is that if JD was up against a better Protoss, he would have had no chance. I may come off too hard on the kid but thats whats needed to get some sense into the EG-TL prising fangirls. On a game related note, thats what happens when you play bad and the player you are facing is on your level and not below. "if" is a solid argument, indeed. Next time when JD is up against a better toss, ok? Moreover, Aria came to play after defeating really good players, it would be an understatement saying Aria is a bad toss. His play wasn't exactly perfect either ^^ But your play is always relative to your opponent's play. It's not just about you, it's about how good your opponent is countering what you are doing, and how good you can counter what your opponents do. There is no absolute "i play good", its always relative to what your opponent does and how hard is to react and adjust to his play. That's just flat out wrong. Indeed, by that logic bronze players are decent since they win 50% of the time. There are better players than bronze players, so they can improve their play. Same for Jaedong and Aria. Jaedong played better than Aria. That's it. If Jaedong played perfect and Aria played perfect, then who would be the winner ? There is always better and worst play. If you judge a player's play only by his opponent at the time, then bronze players are good vs. other bronze players. If instead you judge a player's play against the best players in the world at the time (as is much more reasonable), then Jaedong did play badly, and only won because his opponent also played badly. You seem to be defending Jaedong's play by saying that he was better than his opponent, but that does not make his play good unless you go by the first (silly) definition of good play. If by badly you mean "world top 20 zerg play", then ok, it was bad.
to be honest i'm not sure whether jaedong is currently top20 zerg worldwide
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On April 07 2013 18:43 Yello wrote:
ZerO vs Alive
Invisible Terran No. 2 fighting!
The map is Whirlwind.
ZerO starts in the bottom left position, Alive starts cross-map in the top right position.
4:00min
Alive goes for Command Center first on the low-ground, ZerO goes for Hatch first, then Extractor and Pool
Alive goes for a single Rax and fast Refinery.
8:00min
ZerO goes for Speed while Alive builds his Factory and Reactor at the Tech Lab while already taking his 2nd Refinery
Alive builds his third CC in his Natural, a Starport and starts 2 Widow Mines with the Factory on the Reactor
ZerO goes for Roach Warren and a third base while Alive builds more Widow Mines and a Medivac, also starting 2 E-Bays
ZerO builds 8 Roaches and sends them cross map
10:00min
Widow Mines get dropped into the natural, no detection at all for ZerO, 5 Drones and a queen get killed
ZerO tries to attack with the Roaches but Alive defends with a Bunker and some Widow Mines
Alive drops into the natural again but the Medivac gets taken out by a Spore Crawler and Queen and ZerO is able to defend without taking much damage.
12:00min
Alive starts killing Overlords with a Viking and moves out with a small amount of Bio+Medivacs to take his third.
ZerO stays active on the map with his Roaches and is able to deny a small Widow-Mine run-by
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i feel like alive is doing really good right now
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On April 07 2013 18:46 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 18:45 Insoleet wrote:On April 07 2013 18:43 rothsbury wrote:On April 07 2013 18:39 Insoleet wrote:On April 07 2013 18:37 rothsbury wrote:On April 07 2013 18:35 zergeasiestrace wrote:On April 07 2013 18:34 Insoleet wrote:On April 07 2013 18:31 Tobblish wrote:On April 07 2013 18:30 letian wrote:On April 07 2013 18:25 Tobblish wrote:
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Exactly.
But what I'm saying is that if JD was up against a better Protoss, he would have had no chance.
I may come off too hard on the kid but thats whats needed to get some sense into the EG-TL prising fangirls.
On a game related note, thats what happens when you play bad and the player you are facing is on your level and not below.
"if" is a solid argument, indeed. Next time when JD is up against a better toss, ok? Moreover, Aria came to play after defeating really good players, it would be an understatement saying Aria is a bad toss. His play wasn't exactly perfect either ^^ But your play is always relative to your opponent's play. It's not just about you, it's about how good your opponent is countering what you are doing, and how good you can counter what your opponents do. There is no absolute "i play good", its always relative to what your opponent does and how hard is to react and adjust to his play. That's just flat out wrong. Indeed, by that logic bronze players are decent since they win 50% of the time. There are better players than bronze players, so they can improve their play. Same for Jaedong and Aria. Jaedong played better than Aria. That's it. If Jaedong played perfect and Aria played perfect, then who would be the winner ? There is always better and worst play. If you judge a player's play only by his opponent at the time, then bronze players are good vs. other bronze players. If instead you judge a player's play against the best players in the world at the time (as is much more reasonable), then Jaedong did play badly, and only won because his opponent also played badly. You seem to be defending Jaedong's play by saying that he was better than his opponent, but that does not make his play good unless you go by the first (silly) definition of good play. If by badly you mean "world top 20 zerg play", then ok, it was bad. to be honest i'm not sure whether jaedong is currently top20 zerg worldwide
kind of doubt that as well
but meh, hes JD...
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Norway25712 Posts
I like it when drops go in and do a tiny bit of damage before leaving. Safe.
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Woah Alive is sweating like crazyyyy
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aLIve sweating as if he's in the tropic jungles
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Alive is looking like Jaehoon earlier :o
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EPT
