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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Vivax
21682 Posts
The "scumslip": I tried to guess TPS alignment, and it sounds a lot like (a townish) yamato, especially in the two posts after I voted for him. So I actually would like to know if it's really him since he didn't answer to me yet I think. I'm not too bad at guessing smurfs, I like to do that as either alignment (LX as reference for me doing it as mafia, LIX for town where I guessed marv correctly). ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Sandroba I wrote about him here cosmicomics Let's put ourselves into the shoes of a townie who didn't post anything yet at a later point in D1. You don't know who's innocent, you don't know who's guilty, so you will usually say "I find this dude suspicious cause of x and I agree with y cause of bsbsbsbsbs" after having a read of everything, maybe throw in a few questions to see who agrees with you on something or why someone did a certain thing. I can't remember the last time I popped into the thread asking a question about a dude I don't know the alignment of, and nitpicking while doing so. Look at the question in question. It's not constructed to get a reasonable answer for the purposes of this game. It's constructed in a way that I have to answer with a version of town sandro I have in my head. Maybe town sandro does x and y and z, shortly, it's constructed in a way that it may lead me to say tons of stupid things if I answered it. Thanks to another player I value for his support, he answered this question for me by providing a town sandro filter. But that's not the worst about this question. As I said, I consider this to be nitpicking. I wrote Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless And this dude picks a cherry and ignores everything I actually said about why sandro doesn't look like town without commenting on the points I made. He doesn't give his own opinion of sandro and doesn't agree on at least a bit of it, cause he should. What I said is true. In the next post, he twists my words: On March 17 2013 08:33 cosmicomics wrote: To clarify, my question is, "what is sandroba like here that you find his playstyle distinct from his other town games?" Either Vivax is leaning red because sandroba's reads differ from his, which is a very poor reason to think someone is scum, especially D1, or he is leaning red because sandroba's playstyle is somehow different, which doesn't make sense because sandroba has a unique scumhunting style that can sometimes make "quick conclusions" and obtain "townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless" that 'normal scumhunting' may not. This question is specifically directed at Vivax. Again, sandro's reads did differ from mine. But cosmicomics cherrypicks again, since not only was my point that sandro's reads were strange cause they differed from mine, but they were strange cause he gave them without reasoning and they didn't seem to make sense to me. And I said it in the post. Then he proceeds to defend sandroba based on some unique scumhunting style. I saw sandro being wrong and right often enough to not give him an air of legend allowing him to give reads without explanation and fucking off. Cosmicomics seems to be idealizing a guy he shouldn't have a read on this early in the game. After this he makes a quick minicase regarding an inconsistency, with no conclusion as to why DarthPunk is scum, drops his vote and doesn't inquire anything further regarding DP. On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote: You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?" So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly? ##Vote: DarthPunk This is the guy I want to lynch the most today. It looks a lot like he's posting with an agenda. ##Unvote ##Vote cosmicomics | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On March 18 2013 01:11 geript wrote: Didn't even Dr.H point out the that natural reaction to get to after going through a filter and arriving at null for town is to go through another filter? Sciberbia's case is good. There's almost no movement from him whatsoever; just random statements. When he's suspicious of someone he's not interacting with the thread at all when pressure is on that person. It's like he's watching the game from a window. Hell, he even didn't like the warbaby lynch in NMM 37, which you coached scum in, but here he's null on everything it seems. He's lied about every scum claiming town in the first post as it was actually most of the town players who soft and/or hard claimed town in the mid-stages of day 1. He's not showing any town motivation that I've seen whatsoever. His meta's off from 37. And the survival mentality is in his posts throughout. Ohai guise. Geript no offense, but your meta reads are shit. I'll agree with you that something appears...off about zare this game, but glurio does make a point and zare's activity does go way down on weekends. I'm willing to keep an eye on him for now but I don't think he'd be my D1 lynch candidate. I have to look into this Vivax/TPS thing right now because so far it seems the most compelling thing to me. I was going to comment on Coag's bullshit at some point but I figure I have to trust the vets on his meta once again since they ended up being right about Grush last game.....sigh. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On March 18 2013 00:06 kitaman27 wrote: ...is this a scum slip? As far as I know, ThePeashooter's identity as Yamato is not public knowledge. Was it revealed at any point in the thread? On March 17 2013 13:21 Vivax wrote: Yamato i think coagulation is not a good choice for d1 for reasons wf pointed out, gk isnt either i think. Since i think you're the guy i just mentioned i might actually change my mind about you. Could you look at cosmicomics when you have time? Also sandro and especially his town meta. Never seen him make such an entrance. I dun got sniped =\ Zarepath I'm voting to lynch zarepath as supported by DYH and sciberbia , in addition to my initial reaction to zare. There's enough in the thread on him without me rehashing it. ##Vote: Zarepath GK BH's meta argument about GK being town just doesnt do it for me. GK has done some scummy shit, like tearing into the SAST idea with malicious intent. Generally disruptive tactic, especially as it doesn't lead to VE being scum or town or anything. There is also his change in stance from sandroba is being reasonable in his assessment (@Ryu at the end) to sandroba lurks like a bawse as scum, so i'll vote him for being lurkerish In that last read post, he's wishy washy on TPS, who seems to have a decent mob following his lynch, and who I also wouldn't mind seeing flip. TPS Mostly, I dislike TPS' tunnel into coagulation and assuming anti-town = scum, when multiple people can vouch for the fact that coag is just like this when he plays. If TPS is in fact Yamato he should know this. Again, see Fruity Mafia If its not yamato, then TPS is still refusing to consider an established meta that suggests his initial reasons for calling coag are wrong. There is some merit in his followup, but if coag had reacted with less indignation, I feel he'd have nothing to continue his tunnel with. Also, quoting BH 100 times and then neglecting to want to lynch him is faking the rage to me. Would lynch. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
This doesn't cut it when we have real discussion happening and some real targets. Everyone voting sandroba needs to tell us why they prefer him over people who we actually have cases against. | ||
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Vivax
21682 Posts
We currently have the same objectives for lynch I support either of the three candidates so we should probably pick the best out of them. I feel like DYH has committed himself to posting that way and should not be prioritized. If he stops contributing we will notice and if he keeps it up we only gain more information about him so I think sandro and cosmicomics have higher priority. Given cosmicomics strange defense by offense I think these two are possibly scumbuddies, more people might be opposed to lynching sandro cause he's considered (grrr...) a vet so maybe we should agree on cosmic? Can you give your insight on what I wrote about him? | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On March 18 2013 01:52 Vivax wrote: @ Glurio, trance, Goodkarma We currently have the same objectives for lynch I support either of the three candidates so we should probably pick the best out of them. I feel like DYH has committed himself to posting that way and should not be prioritized. If he stops contributing we will notice and if he keeps it up we only gain more information about him so I think sandro and cosmicomics have higher priority. Given cosmicomics strange defense by offense I think these two are possibly scumbuddies, more people might be opposed to lynching sandro cause he's considered (grrr...) a vet so maybe we should agree on cosmic? Can you give your insight on what I wrote about him? I personally think you are wrong about cosmic. Or were you specifically asking the three you noted? | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Sandroba is leaving due to feeling ill. I will be replacing him as soon as possible. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
ThePeashooter (1): goodkarma (3): Mr. Wiggles, kitaman27, Coagulation (1): ThePeashooter GreYMisT (0): testsubject893 (1): Wade Fell Sandroba (2): goodkarma, glurio zarepath (3): geript, sciberbia, Hopeless1der DoYouHas (1): TranceStorm cosmicomics (1): Vivax Only votes posted in the Votecount thread in the correct format will be counted. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
cosmicomic's vote makes sense because DarthPunk claims to have made a pressure vote but at that time a pressure vote was unnecessary and DP's contribution was empty. Speaking of which: DarthPunk came back and looks scummy and you all just ignored him. He calls me scum for calling him scummy and votes cosmicomics for voting for him. But I don't know if this is a real vote or just a "pressure vote" since he follows the vote by trying to engage in a discussion with cosmicomics. He then tells us that he thinks GKis a poor lynch but criticizes BH's defense of GK. This indirectly supports a GK lynch but he does nothing to make it happen. If you read this post you will notice that DarthPunk seems to agree that GK is scummy or at least dislike's his posting. It's as if he isn't sure if a GK lynch is going to happen so he is hedging. He acknowledges that he has contributed very little but feels an OMGUS is enough of a contribuution for day1. This is scum behavior. DathPunk is scum ##vote: DarthPunk | ||
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Vivax
21682 Posts
On March 18 2013 01:50 GreYMisT wrote: I am not willing to lynch sandroba today. The only evidence people are at all able to present regarding him is that he has been inactive. This doesn't cut it when we have real discussion happening and some real targets. Everyone voting sandroba needs to tell us why they prefer him over people who we actually have cases against. This is simply not true (and I am sure you read my post), the evidence is that he starts the game much more differently than in his town games. In his town games he starts with questions, says what he finds suspicious or townie, but most importantly, he gives reasons. Reasons, grey, that's the bsbsbsbs after saying something. On March 16 2013 22:24 sandroba wrote: Geript and sciberbia are both town. BH is trying to emulate his previous behavior. VE is silly. Peashooter I'm leaning town due to the no name claiming warning, other than that the rest of the speculation is pointless at this stage. He seems to be a reasonable fella though, I'm curious about who he is. Keep up the good work gents. Two townreads. No reasoning. Neutral statement about BH. Meaningless statement about VE. TPS leaning town for his setup speculation. On March 16 2013 22:45 sandroba wrote: Don't care about your "points", and neither do you. You seem mafia to me. Last sentence gave you away. I think it was Ryu(?) who pointed out that this post is strange. It's actually hard to tell if Sandro is trolling or serious but cause of this previously: On March 16 2013 22:30 sandroba wrote: Update: Greymist is suspicious. I'd say he was serious. No explaining behind why Greymist is suspicious for this: While I also think that what he is doing atm is very useless, Why do you think it is worth killing for? I actually agree that Greymist's comment was off (implying BH would kill TPS immediately for the setup speculation, but thinking about it, it sure looked like it), however I don't think it's indicative of alignment at all, it's just that, sounding strange. No particular agenda, rather asking BH in a weird way if he would lynch TPS for that. On March 16 2013 22:40 GreYMisT wrote: Do you disagree with the point that I made? On March 16 2013 22:45 sandroba wrote: Don't care about your "points", and neither do you. You seem mafia to me. Last sentence gave you away. So well, greymist, I don't actually get at all why you feel the need to defend sandro when he attacked you in such a way that doesn't seem genuine to me. Ryu pointed it out in a good way. It looks like sandro was just acting, and you just not caring. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On March 18 2013 02:16 Vivax wrote: This is simply not true (and I am sure you read my post), the evidence is that he starts the game much more differently than in his town games. In his town games he starts with questions, says what he finds suspicious or townie, but most importantly, he gives reasons. Reasons, grey, that's the bsbsbsbs after saying something. Two townreads. No reasoning. Neutral statement about BH. Meaningless statement about VE. TPS leaning town for his setup speculation. I think it was Ryu(?) who pointed out that this post is strange. It's actually hard to tell if Sandro is trolling or serious but cause of this previously: I'd say he was serious. No explaining behind why Greymist is suspicious for this: I actually agree that Greymist's comment was off (implying BH would kill TPS immediately for the setup speculation, but thinking about it, it sure looked like it), however I don't think it's indicative of alignment at all, it's just that, sounding strange. No particular agenda, rather asking BH in a weird way if he would lynch TPS for that. So well, greymist, I don't actually get at all why you feel the need to defend sandro when he attacked you in such a way that doesn't seem genuine to me. Ryu pointed it out in a good way. It looks like sandro was just acting, and you just not caring. On March 18 2013 02:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: In the interest of fairness, I will mention that Sandroba had legitimate activity issues yesterday due to not staying at home like a NERD on St.Patrick's Day. You were saying?  | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
im gonna vote ThePeashooter. did anyone ever figure anything out about the yamato slip? was it actually a scum slip? and whats with greymist defending sandroba so hard. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On March 18 2013 02:19 Coagulation wrote: I may not be on VEs little circle jerk squad but i can still sheep them. im gonna vote ThePeashooter. did anyone ever figure anything out about the yamato slip? was it actually a scum slip? and whats with greymist defending sandroba so hard. Vivax made a guess, he's not sure. TPS has yet to respond. The thread is all "sandroba lurk = scum". GreYMisT is all "not enough to lynch, what else u got?". | ||
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Vivax
21682 Posts
Funny that my whole case isn't about activity isn't it? I want to lynch cosmicomics first anyway. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On March 18 2013 02:19 Coagulation wrote: I may not be on VEs little circle jerk squad but i can still sheep them. im gonna vote ThePeashooter. did anyone ever figure anything out about the yamato slip? was it actually a scum slip? and whats with greymist defending sandroba so hard. vivax thinks TPS is yamato and started calling him yamato. So either they are both scum, masons or vivax did something "silly". | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
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