Also Z bo was pushing Tunkeg D1, that's why I asked you if you thought that they could be scum together.
Tunkeg is the most likely to flip scum.
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Also Z bo was pushing Tunkeg D1, that's why I asked you if you thought that they could be scum together. Tunkeg is the most likely to flip scum. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
OMG this game is so frustrating. XD I'll rewrite it, never fear. I just saw that post by Zbos and lol'd. He was someone that was in my post, so I thought it relevant totally forgetting I hadn't posted yet. God I'm an idiot. | ||
thrawn2112
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 14 2012 14:57 thrawn2112 wrote: Boson, who would u lynch out of thrown and djo? Djo who would you lynch out of thrown and boson? Both of you seem to be reading town on the other and myself, I don't get it What the fuck are you doing with that kind of posts ? Why do you keep mentioning yourself as a third person ? Is kush hydraing with you in this game ? I don't want to lynch any of you. I don't see why you are convinced that one of us have to be mafia and I really don't think so at the moment. If I was forced to chose between you and Z Bo, I would lynch z bo, but I doubt that it would ever happen. | ||
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 14 2012 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Honestly Djo, I was composing a post and checked the thread before posting it to see if there were any ninjas and in a rush to find that gif, completely spaced my whole huge post was in my clipboard. OMG this game is so frustrating. XD I'll rewrite it, never fear. I just saw that post by Zbos and lol'd. He was someone that was in my post, so I thought it relevant totally forgetting I hadn't posted yet. God I'm an idiot. I feel you... It happens to me from time to time. I hope that you are going to address Tunkeg in that post. | ||
Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:24 Hapahauli wrote: @ Tunkeg Why do you find people going after Clarity a scumtell? It's certainly proves stupidity, but not scumminess. And him doing a chainsaw defense of VE on me, without really wanting to commit before others do first is really telling. Also his "attack" on me for being overconfident is something I would expect of scum, not town. On December 14 2012 09:27 Hapahauli wrote: I'm not liking Tunkeg too much at the moment. Not sure if I could lynch him over Bluelightz, but he just seems way too sure of himself in his filter. Palmar is confirmed town! Like Palmar is a town read, but confirmed town is a huuuuuge stretch. Show nested quote + Palmar is basicly confirmed town for me at this point. If he was scum he could have easily pushed me with the rest of you. As he stopped reading before he got to me in his video. If he did in fact read his PM after that video, and had flipped scum I think he would be going with the flow, and going for me. If there is a JK in this game he should definately jail Palmar to protect him from harm. He is the town that scum will be gunning for, 100%. 100% sure that WBG is scum, no doubts! Show nested quote + On December 12 2012 16:02 Tunkeg wrote: Boom! That was a great lynch! Now WBG is 100% scum. Look how hard he was pushing for me after Adam got in trouble. Look how he kept including Adam as his 2nd read, while not ever pointing out why he thought he was scummy. He did this because Adam was very obv scummy, and wbg not mentioning adam as scummy would look really bad for him. Also look at adams read post how hard he tried to distance himself from wbg, "agreeing" with my read on him. Also look at how wbg have presented his arguements (word twisting and misrepresenting facts) and his silly "80% Palmar is scum". WBG must be lynched day 2. Palmar got to be protected if we got a jailkeeper. Also if we got a cop look into someone trying to push my case, voting me and/or push/vote some other case after Adam got mentioned in Palmars video. Is sure that scum doesn't have a vigi... WHAT? Show nested quote + On December 13 2012 18:36 Tunkeg wrote: So WBG was a jk this game. So my entire scum or stupid analysis on him was wrong. He turened out to be just stupid. Also anyone doubting clarity's claim is stupid. There is no reason at all for a scum clarity to claim such a hit. He had alot of towncred allready, a missed hit like this would only put him back on the radar. Scum don't have a vig, as they would have taken out Palmar with it, doublestacking. Or perhaps some other vet they view as dangerous. With no vig they went for the best safe option, taking out someone who by pushing Adam early was looking very townie, and who wasn't likely to be protected. So VE and Hapahauli is probably scum together. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
From D1: + Show Spoiler [Vivax] + On December 11 2012 04:05 Z-BosoN wrote: Yea, vivax's post seems too much like "look at me trying hard to scumhunt" The lack of follow-up also worries me. Never follows up on this. + Show Spoiler [debears] + On December 11 2012 04:17 Z-BosoN wrote: @debears I see you've got some Adam going on for ya. I think you are getting too riled up over expecting someone to go balls out on a day one suspicion. You, for example, are not nearly as spammy as your day one self. I don't think this aligns with your townie play, but I don't think it necessarily makes you scummy. I am curious to hear from adam his stance on thrawn, as he seemed to have dropped it.. Defends Adam here as an added bonus. + Show Spoiler [wherebugsgo] + On December 11 2012 04:18 Z-BosoN wrote: Show nested quote + On December 11 2012 04:12 wherebugsgo wrote: On December 11 2012 04:02 Z-BosoN wrote: I don't get why you are assuming there are four scum, is this obvious due to the setup? Also, I don't understand why you chose to use the "80%" argument in wanting to go for palmar BEFORE that explanation in the quoted post, when that argument is easily applied to any of the people who hadn't posted. If not 4 scum, then what? 3 is too few, and 5 is too many. With 1 kp per night any other numbers are not very balanced unless there is some sort of blue distribution that makes other numbers likely. You don't understand the rest of it because you didn't read properly. That won't do. Show nested quote + On December 10 2012 12:47 wherebugsgo wrote: alrighty. I've concluded from the current events that there's an 80% preliminary chance that Palmar is scum. Therefore I'm voting him, at least until he comes back and proves me otherwise. ##unvote ##vote Palmar Why did you say 80% chance yatta yatta here? Why not give the explanation you gave later on when ppl started asking questions? I don't even know what the relevance is here. Bugs percentage is completely arbitrary anyway. + Show Spoiler [Munk-E] + On December 11 2012 04:50 Z-BosoN wrote: Show nested quote + On December 11 2012 04:43 jaybrundage wrote: On December 11 2012 01:35 Clarity_nl wrote: On December 11 2012 01:32 jaybrundage wrote: On December 10 2012 23:52 Clarity_nl wrote: Hey marv, you've explain why we shouldn't vote a bunch of people (thrawn, jay, palmar) but do you have any reasons we should vote a someone? On December 10 2012 22:04 marvellosity wrote: On jay, I'm ok on how he explained his 'slips'. My only worry with jay is that he comes across as overly... compliant?: "Glad someone is reading my posts. I felt like i wasnt get any feedback from them." "I do appreciate you giving your reasoning behind your claim. It helps me understand you a bit." I don't particularly think much of it atm, was just weird when I was reading them. I would say it was indicative of the fact he didn't want to ruffle feathers, but he's not been afraid to put himself out there, so it isn't that. His response reminds me of my own scum game. I showed no emotion that game, I just tried to remain logical and not to ruffle anyone's feathers, thinking that if I kept that up eventually people would stay away from me because I answered every question and reasoned away any doubt. @ Jay I read some of the stuff in your linked games, and yes you lyched town D1 but I never saw you say anything remotely close to "well I guess I should be more careful of early bandwagons". Not during any of the games and not in the pre-games or post-games either. The thing is, you say you don't want to jump on an "easy bandwagon" this game, but you do. All you don't do is you haven't voted for thrawn, but he's the only person you've put pressure on. So why mention it? It's an easy way out. It seems like common sense. If I get on easy bandwagons as town. Shouldn't i avoid em? Im not you I don't find it necessary or needed to call people dumb or idiots like some players here do. It is it that unexpected to show some respect to people : / I call people dumb or idiots? So other than Thrawn, who is an easy bandwagon to you so should be avoided, who stands out as scummy? I didnt mean you specifically but some people in TL mafia do. I actually am starting to lean more neutral on Thrawn. In my early mind set I just couldnt see someone misclaiming as a joke, or risk getting them selves lynched. Im a little worried about our lurkers. And i would prefer to see more posts out of ZBoston. Specifically ZBoston what do you think about Claritys case on me and some people soft defending me. Also MunkE has had like 3 posts since his /in and every single one of them is mostly about WBG statistic. Do we really have to nitpick over something like that. WBG was mostly trying to bait Palmar out. Lets hear your thoughts on some cases On Vivax its odd. He seems really interested in going after Thrawns claim and saying that Ve defended it as a joke. When its not a joke. Even when thrawn said his self it was just a joke. That he stubbornly. Refused to explain to generate discussion. I think he is concentrating on thrawns little joke to much to the exclusion of everything else. I can see him being scum. ##Vote Vivax (Because some people get SOOOOO antsy if you dont follow your argument with your vote.) It's Z-Boson. It's funny you should mention Munk-E, because he has a town read on WBG, even though he disagrees with WBG's logic. Does anyone find this post right here: Show nested quote + On December 11 2012 01:44 Munk-E wrote: On December 11 2012 01:10 Djodref wrote: @ Munk-E Could you confirm me that it's only your second game on these forums ? You get yourself lynched D1 or D2 for being inactive in a newbie lately, am I right ? Weird scum or weird town for WBG ? By the way, the way he phrased it didn't exactly mean he was 80% sure he was mafia. It was a preliminary thing, so I understood it as valuable only for this early game. This is actually my 4th or fifth game. I can't find the others in my post history, because i guess TL doesn't keep a post history that's that old. Yes, day 1 lynch last time, I'm gonna try to be more active so people don't waste their lynch again for no reason other than i didn't say enough. as for WBG, the more i think about it, the more I think he's more likely to be town. If he was scum, this play would either be to bus palmer if he's scum, which would be stupid and unnecessary, or to try to start a bandwagon on him if he's town, which would most likely be futile. He could be trying to appear to be an aggressive scumhunter, attacking harmless enemies though, so he seems town, but then again, aggressive scumhunting seems town. I see his logic now, but it is flawed. I highly doubt that all the scum were lurkers. Any close to being normal? He then votes for Djodref after making a big case, only to drop it and vote for Tunkeg. Interestingly enough, he does so in the name of consolidation, yet is one of the only people not on the Adam wagon. He can say he thought Adam was town all he wants: he only unvoted Djodref in the name of consolidation though, and consolidate he did not. He pushed a counter-wagon. And if he wanted to do that, he could have stayed on Djodref. ##Unvote: Clarity_nl ##Vote: ZBoson | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
His "martyr reads" and Adam's reads ended up being strikingly similar, but Tunkeg's came first and Adam flipped scum. He MIGHT be scum, but I'm not really interested in lynching him today. I prefer to see ZBoson flip before making a final judgement call on Tunkeg. If I can't get a ZBoson lynch and Tunkeg is the only other alternative however, I would vote for Tunkeg. | ||
Vivax
21716 Posts
I think jays reaction was quite telling, he's prolly in scumteam with Z-Boson and thought he witnessed a hardcore scumslip that would get him lynched. Overreacting, he instasheeped you. So, let's kill one of them, and if he's scum, let's kill the other one, aight? I'll look better into Z-Boson later before voting for him tho. I'll be back home at like 6 PM/18:00 CET, in about 9 h | ||
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I don't think that Z-Bo lapsus is relevant by the way | ||
thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On December 14 2012 17:38 Vivax wrote: LOL I've been laughing for like 10 minutes irl after seein that, VE. I think jays reaction was quite telling, he's prolly in scumteam with Z-Boson and thought he witnessed a hardcore scumslip that would get him lynched. Overreacting, he instasheeped you. So, let's kill one of them, and if he's scum, let's kill the other one, aight? I'll look better into Z-Boson later before voting for him tho. I'll be back home at like 6 PM/18:00 CET, in about 9 h vivax, WTF? since when have you wanted to lynch boson? | ||
thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
"I'll look better into Z-Boson later before voting for him tho." - coming from a guy who hasn't been wanting to lynch boson till literally that very post so you're either scum or you're town who is randomly ditching your scumreads and planning on voting for a guy you haven't finished "looking into" yet... | ||
Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
When in doubt policy lynch. I'm not sold on a tunkeg lynch. Hapa is defending all the wrong people and I didn't like Munk-E from day 1, but I don't think I can reasonably attack him for scum without more information and analysis. The Bluelightz thing is another instance of someone whose only possible defense is being too scummy to be scum. I'm not gonna defend him based on that, and I wish we could like quadruple lynch today. I'm also very wary of VisceraEyes. But, in the end, I'm kinda confused because so many people are playing like retards. Jay's Clarity&Palmar are scum theory is so out there that it's almost lynchworthy, but hey, apparently it's okay to be retarded and thus make the game 10x harder than it should be. And so, I'm voting Djodref. I am suggesting a lynch on Djodref for three reasons: 1. Attempting twice to go after another player over Adam The only defense for Djodref here is that he's too scummy to be scum. The theory is that no scum would so openly and ridiculously blatantly attempt to derail a scum lynch. It's a valid point, but maybe Djodref knows that? Here's his attempt to go after Tunkeg: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17206691 Here's his attempt to start a wagon on Jay: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17210095 I would like to additionally point out that both these attempts come after Djodref claims to be slightly leaning scum on Adam: On December 11 2012 13:01 Djodref wrote: I've watched Palmar's video and I've changed my mind a little bit about your interactions with Adam. As a result, I would lean town on you and slightly scum on Adam but I'm not yet sold on him being scum. The latest "scumslip" is not a scumslip in my opinion because it would have been one if he was totally sure that you were scum, which doesn't look to be the case. The fact that he dropped you is reasonable but it's not very indicative of his alignment because it was the best thing to do as scum and as town. I'm waiting to see where he is going to go with Vivax but I think that jay is more likely to be scum than him at this point. Generally people don't go so much out of their way to protect their scumreads? 2. Defending flipped scum repeatedly, yet never seeing any reason to interact with said scum Defending someone you think is town is fine. The problem is that generally you have a good reason for defending them. The fact that Djodref never tried to directly interact with someone who clearly was a pretty strong townread at the time looks kinda bad. I have a serious problem with this. Head to Djodref's filter, look at how much he talks ABOUT adam, but never TO adam. Coincidence? Maybe. But it's enough to raise alarms for me. Here's a link to his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&user=284165¤tpage=All Here's a link to my post where I checked all the people he interacted with: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17224951 3. When I asked about this strange lack of interactions, Djodref directly lied to me. Lynch all liars is a good policy. I think we should enforce it. Djodref's lie can be seen in the following posts: On December 13 2012 20:52 Palmar wrote: I also find it intriguing you never once addressed Adam, yet you have 93 instances of his name in your filter (including inside quotes). You directly interacted with both Tunkeg and Jay. You also attempted to counter-wagon Adam's lynch using both of them as targets. On December 13 2012 20:59 Djodref wrote: I was persuaded that jay and Tunkeg were mafia yesterday and far less sure about Adam. The lack of interactions with Adam could be explained because I was a bit wary of the debears/Adam interactions and didn't want to step in. After, I went sleeping and Adam went lurking. I didn't feel the need to interact with him yesterday, that would be my best explanation. But this is clearly false. As Djodref was indeed more than comfortable with stepping in to defend adam, as can be seen on multiple occasions in his filter, and I showed an example of three such posts in this reply to his explanation: On December 13 2012 21:03 Palmar wrote: List of Djodref not stepping in debears/Adam interactions: Show nested quote + On December 10 2012 14:46 Djodref wrote: @ debears So, between Adam and Jay, which one of them should deserve your vote right now ? Because it looks like to me that the main reason for you to vote Adam is that he asked for your vote and voted against you. Show nested quote + On December 10 2012 15:31 Djodref wrote: On December 10 2012 14:52 debears wrote: On December 10 2012 14:46 Djodref wrote: @ debears So, between Adam and Jay, which one of them should deserve your vote right now ? Because it looks like to me that the main reason for you to vote Adam is that he asked for your vote and voted against you. I think Clarity made good points against Jay and I'm also leaning town on thrawn right now. I think I know the reason why he doesn't want to explain himself right now and I don't think that my pressure vote is going to work out. @ jay It looks like you are leaning scum on thrawn. Would you care to convince us that he is indeed scum and that we should vote him ? As you can see, the risk to start an early bandwagon on him is not so big. ##Vote jay I like Clarity's points on jay, and clarity seems to satisfactorily have jay covered. I'm gonna work on Adam/whoever I feel like So, I guess you are satisfied with your vote on Adam right now. According to me, Adam has been pretty clear on his stance on thrawn and I disagree with you about him: I don't see anything to blame him for right now. I'll let you do what you feel like but I'll voice my concerns if you seem mistaken. For example, right now, I feel like you should better vote for jay instead of Adam. Show nested quote + On December 10 2012 19:59 Djodref wrote: @ debears Could you explain me how Adam implied heavily that thrawn was scum ? Could you show me a post where you think his reaction was forced ? I don't think that posting only post from a previous post-game to show an apparent contradiction is really using meta. Adam just pointed out a contradiction. To be fair, he did claim he forgot about those posts. I don't believe a word of it. Djodref, your time has come. You are a protector of filth, and a liar. The good people of Liquidia shall see you hang in the name of justice. ##Vote Djodref | ||
thrawn2112
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thrawn2112
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example: On December 11 2012 04:17 Z-BosoN wrote: @debears I see you've got some Adam going on for ya. I think you are getting too riled up over expecting someone to go balls out on a day one suspicion. You, for example, are not nearly as spammy as your day one self. I don't think this aligns with your townie play, but I don't think it necessarily makes you scummy. I am curious to hear from adam his stance on thrawn, as he seemed to have dropped it.. note that the only thing this posts accomplishes is soft defending adam. he doesn't call adam townie or scummy, nor does he call debears townie or scummy Here's the most in depth thing boson had to say about adam: On December 12 2012 02:09 Z-BosoN wrote: Well, like I said, debears seems to be doing some massive twisting of words to me. What I found suspicious on Adam's filter is this contradiction in his idea of a case -> vote relationship, which I'd like him to explain. He first criticizes debears for not voting him after making a case and votes him: Show nested quote + On December 10 2012 13:07 Adam4167 wrote: In fact, why are you not voting me dabears? On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote: @Djo The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum. His reaction is feeling very forced You say you don't like me (I assume this means you think i'm scum?), you find my lack of vote strange and that my reactions feel forced. Why make a case like this if you aren't going to follow it with a vote? ##Vote: dabears This is funny to say the least, because later on, though, when he's made a case on vivax, here's his stance when questioned on why he wasn't voting vivax: Show nested quote + On December 11 2012 23:35 Adam4167 wrote: I wanted to see what you had to say about my case before I made a definitive call on you. Your response was interesting to me, because while you openly admit to not reading the thread and making shit accusations, I honestly wouldn't ever expect that level of honesty from a scum. I mean, it's ok that he makes a huge case and doesn't vote, but when debears did that it made him scum? Weird. Since we need to consolidate though, I am more confident in a Tunkeg lynch at the moment. Imo this is one of boson's scummiest posts. He does bring up issues with adam's play but ends up dismissing it as "weird." That one word "weird" is what does it for me. and as an added bonus, boson does not appear in adam's final list of reads | ||
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Day 2 Vote Count Bluelightz (2): Clarity_nl (0): Tunkeg (3): Djodref, marvellosity, Hapahauli VisceraEyes (1): Tunkeg jaybrundage (1): Vivax Djodref (1): Z-BosoN (3): thrawn2112, jaybrundage, VisceraEyes 7 votes needed to lynch. No one currently set to be lynched. Deadline in 14.5 hours at 01:00 GMT (+00:00). | ||
Vivax
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On December 14 2012 21:53 Vivax wrote: Also, I skipped a lesson this afternoon if you wonder why I'm back already. i wasn't, but now i'm wondering why you're wondering if i'm wondering why you're back already | ||
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