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Was ninja's by cheese! But he basically defended as I thought - how can you make a meta case on someone who only has two game, one as each faction ;/.
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Lol wow I missed that post from yama, glad you pointed it out SDM because yeah it is suspicious.
@ Yamato77
You saying Cheese doesn't read town is nice and all, but I am more interested (as I think SDM has said (and you better not accuse me of what you accused cheese of SDM!)) in if you read him as scum. Do you have any scum reads at all? As far as I can tell you are just saying you are suspicious of cheese because he said he was suspicious of you....
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On November 26 2012 05:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 04:59 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:The reason I'm asking all these questions and why Mr. Cheesecake's play makes me feel uneasy Part 1In XXIX: CC was scum and all uptight, just like he said in one of his responses itt. After the game, his scum buddies said he was a funny guy cracking a lot of jokes in the scum QT. It's quite obvious CC wasn't being himself in the actual XXIX game thread, the real CC isn't uptight. In XXX: CC was town and the complete opposite of uptight. It was obvious he was being his real self, ie what he had shown in the scum QT in XXIX. This complete change of meta was why I gave him a 100% town read in the obs QT. BUT this play style got him lynch. Cracking jokes and being a goof got him into a shitty situation which lead him to a weird VT claim and later a mislynch. What would one expect town CC to take away from this? He needs to lay off his goofy style or he risks getting mislynched. What would one expect scum CC to take away from this? He needs to be more of a goof, otherwise the difference in meta will give him away.
If you compare this game to his town play in XXX, he's more serious business now. That would lead me to believe either a) he's town and has realized his style in XXIX didn't work and he needs to play a bit more "serious" or b) the reason he's playing closer to his scum meta is because he's scum.
Now I agree with what Oats said, CCs initial posts in this thread come off as "forced casual". That is, b) is quite possible: He's scum, has realized he needs to emulate his town play style, but doesn't really succeed. Besides, by asking these questions, I really gave him the chance to give me the a) explanation, but he didn't. He even says it hasn't affected his town play at all, which I find weird considering how he crashed and burned in XXX. He says, however, that it has affected his scum mentality. The reason he knows may be because he's playing scum right now.
My "goofy style" didn't get me lynched. I got myself lynched by trolling and claiming VT for no reason at all. XXX I barely consider a game, and it was my first as town. I didn't learn anything from that game other than what I told you.
This meta argument is funny, because it can go either way. If I played like I did in XXIX, I would be shamed for going back to my scum meta. I'm not excessively trolling like in XXX because I actually have a clear head for this game. I'm just going to be myself.
I didn't learn much in XXX because I pretty much killed myself to reveal scum. The only thing I learned in XXIX was how to play scum, so of course that game only effected my scum play.
Part 2
When you play as scum, you really don't want to butt heads with the stronger players. When I was scum in XXVIII I soon came to realize it would be in my best interest to agree with DarthPunk and Z-Boson because they pursued their scum reads aggressively. Now maybe I'm full of myself, but having played 3 games I would like to believe I'm one of the DPs and ZBs of this game, a player you want to get along with if you're scum. That's why this post by CC makes uneasy:
On November 26 2012 00:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Okay so just woke up. The Oats vote is pretty lulzy to me. On November 25 2012 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote:LOL kickstart learning from the vets huh. there are like 4 pages of content, I challenge you to find a case out of that. A proper case that has scum reasons for certain posts. ok about cheesecake Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 11:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Greetings gentlemen!
A few questions to spark ye olde town discussion:
1) How many games have you played on TL?
2) Where do you stand on lurker lynching D1?
3) Pie or Cheesecake?
For me:
1) this is my third, one game as mafia one as VT
2) Lynching a lurker d1 is good to me if no viable scum read presents itself. Also, we have no vig to take care of pesky lurkers otherwise.
3) Pie. Jk jk. 1.) This post looks like he is being light-hearted, especially with the Pie and Cheesecake question. I feel that it is an act, the post looks VERY deliberate in being casual. Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 11:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 25 2012 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that accurate day 1 reads are difficult to make due to the low sample size and if we lynch the lurkers, everyone has to contribute which will help in making more accurate reads. Pretty obvious statement if you ask me. We just need to possess the confidence to scumhunt effectively. There is a 48 hour window between now and lynch time, so there is no reason anyone should be lurking. If we have to lynch a lurker, meh, but I'd much rather have this "small sample size" inflated within D1 so we aren't forced down the coin flip road. Anyone else around? 2.) Then here, a reason for people to be lurking is because we havent called them out. He basically says, I will lynch a lurker/anybody. Which is good reason to hop onto any bandwagon that is benefical for scum. Like lynching an inactive town/active but bad town <snip> I'm more concerned about Yamato right now. His posts amount to a bunch of one-liners that achieve nothing. Same goes for Helo, pretty blendy personalities at this point in time. FoS Yamato77FoS HeloKnightJust a bit of pressure, I'd like to hear some constructive posts from them. @AquaniumOn November 25 2012 14:57 Aquanim wrote:Sure, he's made all of four five posts so far so don't expect anything insightful. Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 14:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 25 2012 12:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yes totally agree with Cheesecake.
only 5/9 are here, where are the rest On November 25 2012 13:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I got a scum feeling from cheesecake with his first 2 posts, I suggest we lynch him I really don't understand where your trepidations are coming from. You agree with me, but get scummy feelings from me? I'm not liking this. In the first quote Cheesecake took, Oatsmaster is agreeing with this post: Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 11:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 25 2012 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that accurate day 1 reads are difficult to make due to the low sample size and if we lynch the lurkers, everyone has to contribute which will help in making more accurate reads. Pretty obvious statement if you ask me. We just need to possess the confidence to scumhunt effectively. There is a 48 hour window between now and lynch time, so there is no reason anyone should be lurking. If we have to lynch a lurker, meh, but I'd much rather have this "small sample size" inflated within D1 so we aren't forced down the coin flip road. Anyone else around? which is pretty generically town-speech stuff from Mr. Cheesecake. I could well see Oatsmaster agreeing with the body of this message, BUT not liking the fact that Cheesecake is making speeches rather than poking people and looking for scum. (I'm taking a wild guess at what Oatsmaster's feeling was based on here.) And apart from Cheesecake's questions in his first post and contentless sniping at Oatsmaster since that's all there is. This post is extremely wish-washy to me. He basically takes a neutral stance and says that he can understand both sides of the argument. I'm confused as to his opinion. Do you not like the fact that he agreeing with me, and simultaneously gets a scum-feel? Or do you disagree with me?
It is basically a carbon copy of my previous opinions/questions:
On November 25 2012 19:15 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The first thing that stuck out to me was Helo just making a couple of short posts then disappearing (to enter again with another contentless post after he was called out for it). Yamato is making a decent amount of posts with no content and making some weird conclusions, such as. On November 25 2012 13:51 yamato77 wrote:
If we sheep oats and lynch cheesecake, and he flips town, at least our day 2 lynch is an easy decision. Which obviously isn't correct. He also seems worried about how he's percieved, asking Aqua about whether he's still uneasy about him. From my experience as scum you usually don't like being in the dark of how others percieve you. Not much to go on so far, but that was my initial reactions to the thread. <snip>
On November 25 2012 21:37 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 14:57 Aquanim wrote:Sure, he's made all of four five posts so far so don't expect anything insightful. Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 14:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 25 2012 12:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yes totally agree with Cheesecake.
only 5/9 are here, where are the rest On November 25 2012 13:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I got a scum feeling from cheesecake with his first 2 posts, I suggest we lynch him I really don't understand where your trepidations are coming from. You agree with me, but get scummy feelings from me? I'm not liking this. In the first quote Cheesecake took, Oatsmaster is agreeing with this post: Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 11:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 25 2012 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that accurate day 1 reads are difficult to make due to the low sample size and if we lynch the lurkers, everyone has to contribute which will help in making more accurate reads. Pretty obvious statement if you ask me. We just need to possess the confidence to scumhunt effectively. There is a 48 hour window between now and lynch time, so there is no reason anyone should be lurking. If we have to lynch a lurker, meh, but I'd much rather have this "small sample size" inflated within D1 so we aren't forced down the coin flip road. Anyone else around? which is pretty generically town-speech stuff from Mr. Cheesecake. I could well see Oatsmaster agreeing with the body of this message, BUT not liking the fact that Cheesecake is making speeches rather than poking people and looking for scum. (I'm taking a wild guess at what Oatsmaster's feeling was based on here.) And apart from Cheesecake's questions in his first post and contentless sniping at Oatsmaster since that's all there is. I don't really understand this post. What read did you end up with on CC and why?
Being second on the ball to one of the stronger/more experienced players in this game is scummy. CC also kind of sided with me on the Oats issue, although his read is more on the null side. So yeah, I'm accusing him of cock-riding.
Honestly, when I woke up I glanced through the thread and right there at the end was Oat's vote post so I addressed it before looking at anything else. The previous night, I noticed that yamato in particular was just doing wierd one - liners that didn't do anything, but I wanted to see if he would post more while I was asleep. There wasn't much else to discuss anyway. Sure, I'll give you that I'm "second on the ball".
FOS Cheesecake
Cheesecake is my best scum read right now, but at least he's around and actually contributing. I'm absolutely capable of switching to one of you lurkers out there if I find a decent reason. There's also plenty of time of Cheesecake to convince me he's not scum, so go for it. Put some stuff in bold. [b]The meta-argument is a null tell, SDM, and you should know that. I've played two games two different ways and two different roles, nothing can be concluded from this. I actually agree with the sheeping point. Seems pretty legit to me, but the fact that we observed the same thing isn't out of the ordinary because the game just started. I was there when yamato was doing his one liner stuff, I think I even told him somewhere that he wasn't contributing shit to the thread during our conversation, if you could call it that. I'm pretty suspicious of HeloKnight right now and I'll give a little post on him later.
Yeah, meta is likely to change within your first few games. That's why I gave you the opportunity to explain to me that was what had happened. I don't think those meta changes happens sub-conciously (they may to some degree), but I find it weird this change in meta would be entirely sub-concious as implied in your responses. If in this game you are more serious than your usual self, it seems likely to me it would be a product of either a) you realized that in order to not get lynched you can't be your usual town self or b) you are scum and thus closer to your scum self.
I brought this up now because I wanted a response asap, otherwise I'll end up close to EOD with too little info on your play. Still need some more time to fully process this info, but as of right now it's scummy to me.
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On November 25 2012 21:37 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 14:57 Aquanim wrote:Sure, he's made all of four five posts so far so don't expect anything insightful. On November 25 2012 14:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 25 2012 12:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yes totally agree with Cheesecake.
only 5/9 are here, where are the rest On November 25 2012 13:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I got a scum feeling from cheesecake with his first 2 posts, I suggest we lynch him I really don't understand where your trepidations are coming from. You agree with me, but get scummy feelings from me? I'm not liking this. In the first quote Cheesecake took, Oatsmaster is agreeing with this post: On November 25 2012 11:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 25 2012 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that accurate day 1 reads are difficult to make due to the low sample size and if we lynch the lurkers, everyone has to contribute which will help in making more accurate reads. Pretty obvious statement if you ask me. We just need to possess the confidence to scumhunt effectively. There is a 48 hour window between now and lynch time, so there is no reason anyone should be lurking. If we have to lynch a lurker, meh, but I'd much rather have this "small sample size" inflated within D1 so we aren't forced down the coin flip road. Anyone else around? which is pretty generically town-speech stuff from Mr. Cheesecake. I could well see Oatsmaster agreeing with the body of this message, BUT not liking the fact that Cheesecake is making speeches rather than poking people and looking for scum. (I'm taking a wild guess at what Oatsmaster's feeling was based on here.) And apart from Cheesecake's questions in his first post and contentless sniping at Oatsmaster since that's all there is. I don't really understand this post. What read did you end up with on CC and why?
On rereading my post it indeed appears not to have a conclusion.
Short version is that I was dissatisfied with Mr Cheesecake's posting up to that point. Slightly scummy, but after five posts my conclusions are, well, inconclusive.
I've read the thread but don't have the time for meaningful analysis right now. Will be back in a while.
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Missed this...
My "goofy style" didn't get me lynched. I got myself lynched by trolling and claiming VT for no reason at all. XXX I barely consider a game, and it was my first as town. I didn't learn anything from that game other than what I told you.
This meta argument is funny, because it can go either way. If I played like I did in XXIX, I would be shamed for going back to my scum meta. I'm not excessively trolling like in XXX because I actually have a clear head for this game. I'm just going to be myself.
I didn't learn much in XXX because I pretty much killed myself to reveal scum. The only thing I learned in XXIX was how to play scum, so of course that game only effected my scum play.
@CC
I thought you claimed VT because you had a decent amount of votes and/or suspicion against you. Was your claim entirely to exploit the lack of "regular fapper" info in OP?
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Okay, joking aside, I'd like to take a minute to look at oatsmaster, because at the very least, I think he's playing weird, and weird is noteworthy.
On November 25 2012 11:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
By far the most important question
3) Pie. Or a Light Cheesecake.
1) 0. I am currently in another game
2) I think that we should lynch a lurker D1 yes.
Here he says a day 1 lurker lynch is a good idea, which he elaborates on here.
On November 25 2012 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that accurate day 1 reads are difficult to make due to the low sample size and if we lynch the lurkers, everyone has to contribute which will help in making more accurate reads.
however, soon after that, he posts this.
On November 25 2012 13:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I got a scum feeling from cheesecake with his first 2 posts, I suggest we lynch him
So, what can we make about this early contradiction. One option is what he said recently, that he was just trying to stir up discussion. This does make sense of this mess, since he doesn't really want to lynch lurkers, just scare them into talking. I don't feel this is the truth though, because he only claim this after he started getting accused because of his strange ways.
Option 2, since he said he has never played a game before, he could just be bad. It seems to me, weather scum or townie, what he did was dumb. He's also doing that thing that noobs sometimes do, where you accuse and accuse until someone starts asking you what's up, and you go into hardcore defense mode. This seems most likely to me, which unfortunately doesn't tell us much about his alliance.
Option 3: He is mafia and was trying to pin suspicion on Mr.CC. This may be the case, but he did it so poorly that he brought suspicion upon himself. What makes me think this might be the case is that even after he admitted to not having a case against CC, he voted for him anyways. Later, he has some really bullshit reasoning which right before he says this.
On November 25 2012 22:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
OH YES FINALLY, you say why my behaviour is scummy. :D
My explanation is that his first 2 posts seem off. What do you want? Cheesecake posted less than 10 posts, how can you garner any evidence from that?
Without any replies from CC, he posts this 40 minuites later.
On November 25 2012 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote:LOL kickstart learning from the vets huh. there are like 4 pages of content, I challenge you to find a case out of that. A proper case that has scum reasons for certain posts. ok about cheesecake Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 11:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Greetings gentlemen!
A few questions to spark ye olde town discussion:
1) How many games have you played on TL?
2) Where do you stand on lurker lynching D1?
3) Pie or Cheesecake?
For me:
1) this is my third, one game as mafia one as VT
2) Lynching a lurker d1 is good to me if no viable scum read presents itself. Also, we have no vig to take care of pesky lurkers otherwise.
3) Pie. Jk jk. This post looks like he is being light-hearted, especially with the Pie and Cheesecake question. I feel that it is an act, the post looks VERY deliberate in being casual. Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 11:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 25 2012 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that accurate day 1 reads are difficult to make due to the low sample size and if we lynch the lurkers, everyone has to contribute which will help in making more accurate reads. Pretty obvious statement if you ask me. We just need to possess the confidence to scumhunt effectively. There is a 48 hour window between now and lynch time, so there is no reason anyone should be lurking. If we have to lynch a lurker, meh, but I'd much rather have this "small sample size" inflated within D1 so we aren't forced down the coin flip road. Anyone else around? Then here, a reason for people to be lurking is because we havent called them out. He basically says, I will lynch a lurker/anybody. Which is good reason to hop onto any bandwagon that is benefical for scum. Like lynching an inactive town/active but bad town
It's weird to me, immediately after saying there isn't a case to be made, he makes a case. This may be from a mafia buddy trying to save his ass and giving him the best he could come up with about a case for CC. Something that may also be of note is that sonic death monkey essentially just took this point and elaborated on it later. They are the only 2 voting for CC.
On November 26 2012 04:59 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:The reason I'm asking all these questions and why Mr. Cheesecake's play makes me feel uneasy Part 1In XXIX: CC was scum and all uptight, just like he said in one of his responses itt. After the game, his scum buddies said he was a funny guy cracking a lot of jokes in the scum QT. It's quite obvious CC wasn't being himself in the actual XXIX game thread, the real CC isn't uptight. In XXX: CC was town and the complete opposite of uptight. It was obvious he was being his real self, ie what he had shown in the scum QT in XXIX. This complete change of meta was why I gave him a 100% town read in the obs QT. BUT this play style got him lynch. Cracking jokes and being a goof got him into a shitty situation which lead him to a weird VT claim and later a mislynch. What would one expect town CC to take away from this? He needs to lay off his goofy style or he risks getting mislynched. What would one expect scum CC to take away from this? He needs to be more of a goof, otherwise the difference in meta will give him away. If you compare this game to his town play in XXX, he's more serious business now. That would lead me to believe either a) he's town and has realized his style in XXIX didn't work and he needs to play a bit more "serious" or b) the reason he's playing closer to his scum meta is because he's scum. Now I agree with what Oats said, CCs initial posts in this thread come off as "forced casual". That is, b) is quite possible: He's scum, has realized he needs to emulate his town play style, but doesn't really succeed. Besides, by asking these questions, I really gave him the chance to give me the a) explanation, but he didn't. He even says it hasn't affected his town play at all, which I find weird considering how he crashed and burned in XXX. He says, however, that it has affected his scum mentality. The reason he knows may be because he's playing scum right now. Part 2When you play as scum, you really don't want to butt heads with the stronger players. When I was scum in XXVIII I soon came to realize it would be in my best interest to agree with DarthPunk and Z-Boson because they pursued their scum reads aggressively. Now maybe I'm full of myself, but having played 3 games I would like to believe I'm one of the DPs and ZBs of this game, a player you want to get along with if you're scum. That's why this post by CC makes uneasy: Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 00:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Okay so just woke up. The Oats vote is pretty lulzy to me. On November 25 2012 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote:LOL kickstart learning from the vets huh. there are like 4 pages of content, I challenge you to find a case out of that. A proper case that has scum reasons for certain posts. ok about cheesecake Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 11:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Greetings gentlemen!
A few questions to spark ye olde town discussion:
1) How many games have you played on TL?
2) Where do you stand on lurker lynching D1?
3) Pie or Cheesecake?
For me:
1) this is my third, one game as mafia one as VT
2) Lynching a lurker d1 is good to me if no viable scum read presents itself. Also, we have no vig to take care of pesky lurkers otherwise.
3) Pie. Jk jk. 1.) This post looks like he is being light-hearted, especially with the Pie and Cheesecake question. I feel that it is an act, the post looks VERY deliberate in being casual. Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 11:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 25 2012 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that accurate day 1 reads are difficult to make due to the low sample size and if we lynch the lurkers, everyone has to contribute which will help in making more accurate reads. Pretty obvious statement if you ask me. We just need to possess the confidence to scumhunt effectively. There is a 48 hour window between now and lynch time, so there is no reason anyone should be lurking. If we have to lynch a lurker, meh, but I'd much rather have this "small sample size" inflated within D1 so we aren't forced down the coin flip road. Anyone else around? 2.) Then here, a reason for people to be lurking is because we havent called them out. He basically says, I will lynch a lurker/anybody. Which is good reason to hop onto any bandwagon that is benefical for scum. Like lynching an inactive town/active but bad town <snip> I'm more concerned about Yamato right now. His posts amount to a bunch of one-liners that achieve nothing. Same goes for Helo, pretty blendy personalities at this point in time. FoS Yamato77FoS HeloKnightJust a bit of pressure, I'd like to hear some constructive posts from them. @AquaniumOn November 25 2012 14:57 Aquanim wrote:Sure, he's made all of four five posts so far so don't expect anything insightful. Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 14:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 25 2012 12:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yes totally agree with Cheesecake.
only 5/9 are here, where are the rest On November 25 2012 13:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I got a scum feeling from cheesecake with his first 2 posts, I suggest we lynch him I really don't understand where your trepidations are coming from. You agree with me, but get scummy feelings from me? I'm not liking this. In the first quote Cheesecake took, Oatsmaster is agreeing with this post: Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 11:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 25 2012 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that accurate day 1 reads are difficult to make due to the low sample size and if we lynch the lurkers, everyone has to contribute which will help in making more accurate reads. Pretty obvious statement if you ask me. We just need to possess the confidence to scumhunt effectively. There is a 48 hour window between now and lynch time, so there is no reason anyone should be lurking. If we have to lynch a lurker, meh, but I'd much rather have this "small sample size" inflated within D1 so we aren't forced down the coin flip road. Anyone else around? which is pretty generically town-speech stuff from Mr. Cheesecake. I could well see Oatsmaster agreeing with the body of this message, BUT not liking the fact that Cheesecake is making speeches rather than poking people and looking for scum. (I'm taking a wild guess at what Oatsmaster's feeling was based on here.) And apart from Cheesecake's questions in his first post and contentless sniping at Oatsmaster since that's all there is. This post is extremely wish-washy to me. He basically takes a neutral stance and says that he can understand both sides of the argument. I'm confused as to his opinion. Do you not like the fact that he agreeing with me, and simultaneously gets a scum-feel? Or do you disagree with me? It is basically a carbon copy of my previous opinions/questions: Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 19:15 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The first thing that stuck out to me was Helo just making a couple of short posts then disappearing (to enter again with another contentless post after he was called out for it). Yamato is making a decent amount of posts with no content and making some weird conclusions, such as. On November 25 2012 13:51 yamato77 wrote:
If we sheep oats and lynch cheesecake, and he flips town, at least our day 2 lynch is an easy decision. Which obviously isn't correct. He also seems worried about how he's percieved, asking Aqua about whether he's still uneasy about him. From my experience as scum you usually don't like being in the dark of how others percieve you. Not much to go on so far, but that was my initial reactions to the thread. <snip> Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 21:37 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 14:57 Aquanim wrote:Sure, he's made all of four five posts so far so don't expect anything insightful. Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 14:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 25 2012 12:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yes totally agree with Cheesecake.
only 5/9 are here, where are the rest On November 25 2012 13:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I got a scum feeling from cheesecake with his first 2 posts, I suggest we lynch him I really don't understand where your trepidations are coming from. You agree with me, but get scummy feelings from me? I'm not liking this. In the first quote Cheesecake took, Oatsmaster is agreeing with this post: Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 11:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 25 2012 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that accurate day 1 reads are difficult to make due to the low sample size and if we lynch the lurkers, everyone has to contribute which will help in making more accurate reads. Pretty obvious statement if you ask me. We just need to possess the confidence to scumhunt effectively. There is a 48 hour window between now and lynch time, so there is no reason anyone should be lurking. If we have to lynch a lurker, meh, but I'd much rather have this "small sample size" inflated within D1 so we aren't forced down the coin flip road. Anyone else around? which is pretty generically town-speech stuff from Mr. Cheesecake. I could well see Oatsmaster agreeing with the body of this message, BUT not liking the fact that Cheesecake is making speeches rather than poking people and looking for scum. (I'm taking a wild guess at what Oatsmaster's feeling was based on here.) And apart from Cheesecake's questions in his first post and contentless sniping at Oatsmaster since that's all there is. I don't really understand this post. What read did you end up with on CC and why? Being second on the ball to one of the stronger/more experienced players in this game is scummy. CC also kind of sided with me on the Oats issue, although his read is more on the null side. So yeah, I'm accusing him of cock-riding. FOS CheesecakeCheesecake is my best scum read right now, but at least he's around and actually contributing. I'm absolutely capable of switching to one of you lurkers out there if I find a decent reason. There's also plenty of time of Cheesecake to convince me he's not scum, so go for it.
In conclusion, I feel like although he may just be dumb, he's more likely to be mafia than a random vote, however I don't feel confident enough in it to cast my vote on him yet.
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HeloKnight seems to be playing extremely safe.
When Oat's bloats (lol) the thread up with his vote on me, the thread is generally anti-Oats. Helo randomly pops in and gives a reiterative thought post on him and then immediately leaves afterward.
On November 26 2012 00:56 HeloKnight wrote:Oats:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 21:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Kickstart, I am saying you OMGUS voted me. Which you did.
I would love to make a case on Cheesecake if he posted more than 10 posts...
My vote in cheese is based on FEELING. Your vote on me is because you think that my vote is bullshit. Therefore, you OMGUS me :l Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 18:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
I love this, Cheesecake posted 2 posts and people are expecting me to make a case. LOL. He did nothing to convince me that he is town yet though :/
I agree with the content, but it feels forced, thats all that I think about cheesecake right now. Modkills/replacements should be the LAST thing on your mind in the whole game. Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote:LOL kickstart learning from the vets huh. there are like 4 pages of content, I challenge you to find a case out of that. A proper case that has scum reasons for certain posts. ok about cheesecake On November 25 2012 11:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Greetings gentlemen!
A few questions to spark ye olde town discussion:
1) How many games have you played on TL?
2) Where do you stand on lurker lynching D1?
3) Pie or Cheesecake?
For me:
1) this is my third, one game as mafia one as VT
2) Lynching a lurker d1 is good to me if no viable scum read presents itself. Also, we have no vig to take care of pesky lurkers otherwise.
3) Pie. Jk jk. This post looks like he is being light-hearted, especially with the Pie and Cheesecake question. I feel that it is an act, the post looks VERY deliberate in being casual. On November 25 2012 11:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 25 2012 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that accurate day 1 reads are difficult to make due to the low sample size and if we lynch the lurkers, everyone has to contribute which will help in making more accurate reads. Pretty obvious statement if you ask me. We just need to possess the confidence to scumhunt effectively. There is a 48 hour window between now and lynch time, so there is no reason anyone should be lurking. If we have to lynch a lurker, meh, but I'd much rather have this "small sample size" inflated within D1 so we aren't forced down the coin flip road. Anyone else around? Then here, a reason for people to be lurking is because we havent called them out. He basically says, I will lynch a lurker/anybody. Which is good reason to hop onto any bandwagon that is benefical for scum. Like lynching an inactive town/active but bad town These posts are confusing. You say several times that you can't write a case from his posts thus far, in response to those asking you to explain yourself, but then you write a mini-case in the very same post. Why didn't you just write this case when people asked for it, instead of repeatedly saying that you can't write a case? Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cheesecake, you completely miss the point about the first post.
I said you are TRYING too hard to be casual and it ends up looking fake. So therefore you are scum trying to gain town image by starting a discussion.
However, the discussion has nothing to do with scum reads and such, it is basically fluff that you want from your questions.
so I think that you are scum because you APPEAR to be helping town when in actual fact, you are putting up a facade. You say that "trying to look casual" is a scum trait, but your first few posts are looking pretty casual: Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 11:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Just kidding :D
But seriously lets talk.
This is my first/second game, I/E I havent finished a mafia game yet This post looks pretty "forced casual" too, but I don't know if smilies are the norm for Oats. Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 11:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
By far the most important question
3) Pie. Or a Light Cheesecake.
1) 0. I am currently in another game
2) I think that we should lynch a lurker D1 yes. Why is "trying to be casual" a scum trait when you are clearly trying to be casual yourself?
This entire "trying to be casual" stuff isn't anything new. Furthermore, everyone should be acting casual because it's not a stressful game (yet?). Anything anyone says can be turned into a wifom attack via "oh, you're trying to look like this because [insert midly suspicious post here]." This seems like a very easy post to make, and I just don't see a lot of substance here.
Then, he gives a random post 2 hours after his last, and 2 hours before the next.
On November 26 2012 03:19 HeloKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 01:55 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On November 26 2012 01:40 Kickstart wrote:On November 26 2012 01:25 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On November 25 2012 22:40 Kickstart wrote:
You two seem to be agreeing that you don't think Oats is scum. Can you explain his vote onto cheese then, because he apparently can't provide a decent explanation for it himself.
I take it you have never played scum. The last thing you feel like doing when you're scum is to stumble into the thread and make a terrible case with no evidence, because it'll give you a ton of attention. You can argue whether his posts are anti-town or not. They've started some discussions and a lot of people (well, at least some) are chiming in with opinions etc. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter whether it's anti-town though, I've basically seen no newbies play scum like this (perhaps Kush. I am however inclined to agree with you that scum wouldn't want to draw attention to themselves but I can't get over how bad his posts were, and they haven't gotten much better. That's exactly how I've been reacting in the Obs QTs I've been in. I see someone who (imo) play terrible and use flawed logic and it pisses me off so bad that I think it makes him scum. Rarely have those reads been correct and I think it's because scum are too careful to use terrible logic. There are better scum tells than someone simply "playing bad". The mafia has to implicate townies as scum and, using good logic, they can only convict other scum. So doesn't scum have to use terrible logic? Otherwise they with only catch their partners.
I do not understand the motivation behind asking this question. The first sentence is obvious, but the question seems pointless to ask because scum can't use terrible logic or they'll be easily called out on it. It seems like a safe question to ask because the answer is easy.
Afterwards, he comments on SDM's little case on me. Here, he essentially soft-defends me while probing for more information from SDM.
HeloKnight seems to be playing very neutral, not wanting to take that leap of faith into uncharted territory or make anyone angry. Understandable for both new town and scum. It's how i played in XXIX so that's why it strikes me so.
Hold on will post more soon on someone else need to answer some of les questions.
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On November 26 2012 06:18 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Missed this... Show nested quote +My "goofy style" didn't get me lynched. I got myself lynched by trolling and claiming VT for no reason at all. XXX I barely consider a game, and it was my first as town. I didn't learn anything from that game other than what I told you.
This meta argument is funny, because it can go either way. If I played like I did in XXIX, I would be shamed for going back to my scum meta. I'm not excessively trolling like in XXX because I actually have a clear head for this game. I'm just going to be myself.
I didn't learn much in XXX because I pretty much killed myself to reveal scum. The only thing I learned in XXIX was how to play scum, so of course that game only effected my scum play. @CCI thought you claimed VT because you had a decent amount of votes and/or suspicion against you. Was your claim entirely to exploit the lack of "regular fapper" info in OP?
I had one vote on me, that's it and it wasn't even a solid vote. It actually was because I was feeling lazy/trolly and thought Marv made a boo-boo so I could get out easy on a technicality. I figured it would confirm me town so people would realize how retarded Djodref was being. I guess you could say I was frustrated looking for the easy way out. Unfortunately, it got me killed. Luckily, it made the scum apparent.
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Yes, SDM, I know you pointed this out, but I have to say something.
On November 26 2012 05:34 yamato77 wrote:
Mr. Cheesecake is playing without contributing. He's written a lot, but most of it is absolutely useless to a town looking for scum. His policy discussion and talk about other mafia games he's played doesn't help hunt for other players, it seems like more of a defense for himself. Then he calls out two players, myself and Helo, trying to draw attention away from himself. None of this reads town to me, at all.
I really do NOT like this kind of post from Yamato.
First, he is completely hypocritical because he hasn't contributed two cents to the thread. Secondly, he is answering a question that isn't addressed to him. He randomly pops up when I'm being pressured to cast aspersions on me. Where was he before this? What is his motivation or making such a cavalier, random post?
He is entitled to his opinion, but his convenient timing and content reads inherently scummy to me.
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On November 26 2012 06:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:HeloKnight seems to be playing extremely safe. When Oat's bloats (lol) the thread up with his vote on me, the thread is generally anti-Oats. Helo randomly pops in and gives a reiterative thought post on him and then immediately leaves afterward. Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 00:56 HeloKnight wrote:Oats:On November 25 2012 21:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Kickstart, I am saying you OMGUS voted me. Which you did.
I would love to make a case on Cheesecake if he posted more than 10 posts...
My vote in cheese is based on FEELING. Your vote on me is because you think that my vote is bullshit. Therefore, you OMGUS me :l On November 25 2012 18:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
I love this, Cheesecake posted 2 posts and people are expecting me to make a case. LOL. He did nothing to convince me that he is town yet though :/
I agree with the content, but it feels forced, thats all that I think about cheesecake right now. Modkills/replacements should be the LAST thing on your mind in the whole game. On November 25 2012 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote:LOL kickstart learning from the vets huh. there are like 4 pages of content, I challenge you to find a case out of that. A proper case that has scum reasons for certain posts. ok about cheesecake On November 25 2012 11:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Greetings gentlemen!
A few questions to spark ye olde town discussion:
1) How many games have you played on TL?
2) Where do you stand on lurker lynching D1?
3) Pie or Cheesecake?
For me:
1) this is my third, one game as mafia one as VT
2) Lynching a lurker d1 is good to me if no viable scum read presents itself. Also, we have no vig to take care of pesky lurkers otherwise.
3) Pie. Jk jk. This post looks like he is being light-hearted, especially with the Pie and Cheesecake question. I feel that it is an act, the post looks VERY deliberate in being casual. On November 25 2012 11:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 25 2012 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that accurate day 1 reads are difficult to make due to the low sample size and if we lynch the lurkers, everyone has to contribute which will help in making more accurate reads. Pretty obvious statement if you ask me. We just need to possess the confidence to scumhunt effectively. There is a 48 hour window between now and lynch time, so there is no reason anyone should be lurking. If we have to lynch a lurker, meh, but I'd much rather have this "small sample size" inflated within D1 so we aren't forced down the coin flip road. Anyone else around? Then here, a reason for people to be lurking is because we havent called them out. He basically says, I will lynch a lurker/anybody. Which is good reason to hop onto any bandwagon that is benefical for scum. Like lynching an inactive town/active but bad town These posts are confusing. You say several times that you can't write a case from his posts thus far, in response to those asking you to explain yourself, but then you write a mini-case in the very same post. Why didn't you just write this case when people asked for it, instead of repeatedly saying that you can't write a case? On November 26 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cheesecake, you completely miss the point about the first post.
I said you are TRYING too hard to be casual and it ends up looking fake. So therefore you are scum trying to gain town image by starting a discussion.
However, the discussion has nothing to do with scum reads and such, it is basically fluff that you want from your questions.
so I think that you are scum because you APPEAR to be helping town when in actual fact, you are putting up a facade. You say that "trying to look casual" is a scum trait, but your first few posts are looking pretty casual: On November 25 2012 11:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Just kidding :D
But seriously lets talk.
This is my first/second game, I/E I havent finished a mafia game yet This post looks pretty "forced casual" too, but I don't know if smilies are the norm for Oats. On November 25 2012 11:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
By far the most important question
3) Pie. Or a Light Cheesecake.
1) 0. I am currently in another game
2) I think that we should lynch a lurker D1 yes. Why is "trying to be casual" a scum trait when you are clearly trying to be casual yourself? This entire "trying to be casual" stuff isn't anything new. Furthermore, everyone should be acting casual because it's not a stressful game (yet?). Anything anyone says can be turned into a wifom attack via "oh, you're trying to look like this because [insert midly suspicious post here]." This seems like a very easy post to make, and I just don't see a lot of substance here.
I wrote up this comment on Oats because that was the only real interesting person at that time. While you had already brought up some of the stuff on his case and "forced casual", some of it was still new. No one had pointed out the apparent contradiction between Oats saying that he can't make a case and then making a case, and no one had pointed out that Oats' posts can be interpreted as "forced casual".
Then, he gives a random post 2 hours after his last, and 2 hours before the next. Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 03:19 HeloKnight wrote:On November 26 2012 01:55 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On November 26 2012 01:40 Kickstart wrote:On November 26 2012 01:25 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On November 25 2012 22:40 Kickstart wrote:
You two seem to be agreeing that you don't think Oats is scum. Can you explain his vote onto cheese then, because he apparently can't provide a decent explanation for it himself.
I take it you have never played scum. The last thing you feel like doing when you're scum is to stumble into the thread and make a terrible case with no evidence, because it'll give you a ton of attention. You can argue whether his posts are anti-town or not. They've started some discussions and a lot of people (well, at least some) are chiming in with opinions etc. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter whether it's anti-town though, I've basically seen no newbies play scum like this (perhaps Kush. I am however inclined to agree with you that scum wouldn't want to draw attention to themselves but I can't get over how bad his posts were, and they haven't gotten much better. That's exactly how I've been reacting in the Obs QTs I've been in. I see someone who (imo) play terrible and use flawed logic and it pisses me off so bad that I think it makes him scum. Rarely have those reads been correct and I think it's because scum are too careful to use terrible logic. There are better scum tells than someone simply "playing bad". The mafia has to implicate townies as scum and, using good logic, they can only convict other scum. So doesn't scum have to use terrible logic? Otherwise they with only catch their partners. I do not understand the motivation behind asking this question. The first sentence is obvious, but the question seems pointless to ask because scum can't use terrible logic or they'll be easily called out on it. It seems like a safe question to ask because the answer is easy. Afterwards, he comments on SDM's little case on me. Here, he essentially soft-defends me while probing for more information from SDM. HeloKnight seems to be playing very neutral, not wanting to take that leap of faith into uncharted territory or make anyone angry. Understandable for both new town and scum. It's how i played in XXIX so that's why it strikes me so. Hold on will post more soon on someone else need to answer some of les questions.
Part of the reason I asked that question is because everyone was getting on me to contribute more, but I wasn't finding a lot to comment on. So I asked this question because it seemed like SDM was reaching an absurd conclusion: that only townies will use terrible logic. You say that scum will be easily called out on using terrible logic, but then people like SDM will point out that scum will never use terrible logic, and the scum who used the bad logic is in the clear and looking more townie.
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On November 26 2012 06:47 HeloKnight wrote:
Part of the reason I asked that question is because everyone was getting on me to contribute more, but I wasn't finding a lot to comment on. So I asked this question because it seemed like SDM was reaching an absurd conclusion: that only townies will use terrible logic. You say that scum will be easily called out on using terrible logic, but then people like SDM will point out that scum will never use terrible logic, and the scum who used the bad logic is in the clear and looking more townie.
That wasn't really my intention. But when the logic is very obviously terrible it's less likely the work of a scum, because they would've spotted it and wouldn't post it. Often terrible logic comes from not putting a lot of thought into your post and scum is more likely to put thought in their posts.
I'm not saying this is a great tell, but at the very least blindly aiming for people who "play bad" won't perform better than random lynching.
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On November 26 2012 06:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Yes, SDM, I know you pointed this out, but I have to say something. Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 05:34 yamato77 wrote:
Mr. Cheesecake is playing without contributing. He's written a lot, but most of it is absolutely useless to a town looking for scum. His policy discussion and talk about other mafia games he's played doesn't help hunt for other players, it seems like more of a defense for himself. Then he calls out two players, myself and Helo, trying to draw attention away from himself. None of this reads town to me, at all. I really do NOT like this kind of post from Yamato. First, he is completely hypocritical because he hasn't contributed two cents to the thread. Secondly, he is answering a question that isn't addressed to him. He randomly pops up when I'm being pressured to cast aspersions on me. Where was he before this? What is his motivation or making such a cavalier, random post? He is entitled to his opinion, but his convenient timing and content reads inherently scummy to me.
My motivation is to give my read on someone who is playing suspiciously since his first post.
Where was I before that? Asleep.
A bunch of your argument to me is simply fallacy. Me being hypocritical (whether true or not) has nothing to do with your contributions to the thread. My timing and content is scummy? Of course I want to voice my opinion on someone who is being cast into the spotlight. What am I supposed to do? Ignore it?
You didn't even answer my accusations, you just spun around and attacked me.
At least SDM's post against mine had some quality.
On November 26 2012 06:03 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
I don't like this reaction. Sure, you can argue he hasn't contributed much, but at least he's been somewhat enganged in the thread unlike a lot of others.
Aside from that, the reason he talked about his old games was because I asked him, him answering is appreciated. Him calling out you and Helo can easily have town motivations. Obviously town wants to call out what he considers suspicious bahaviour.
You end up saying nothing reads town, but the more important question is: does it read scum, and why?
Other than that your one-liners are really not contributing much and kind of stay-under-the-radar like.
FOS Yamato
I don't think my posting at the beginning should be taken as alignment indicative. It was prodding, mostly.
I'm on the fence about Mr. Cheesecake. His posting is still mostly defending himself, and attacking two players who posted early, me and Helo. That kind of behavior doesn't really indicate alignment, but if he keeps coming after me with posts that don't even address my concerns about him, I'm going to vote for him.
Most of what I've posted so far has been to get a reaction, and it has worked. How people answer questions and accusations are definitely tells.
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On November 26 2012 06:47 HeloKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 06:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:HeloKnight seems to be playing extremely safe. When Oat's bloats (lol) the thread up with his vote on me, the thread is generally anti-Oats. Helo randomly pops in and gives a reiterative thought post on him and then immediately leaves afterward. On November 26 2012 00:56 HeloKnight wrote:Oats:On November 25 2012 21:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Kickstart, I am saying you OMGUS voted me. Which you did.
I would love to make a case on Cheesecake if he posted more than 10 posts...
My vote in cheese is based on FEELING. Your vote on me is because you think that my vote is bullshit. Therefore, you OMGUS me :l On November 25 2012 18:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
I love this, Cheesecake posted 2 posts and people are expecting me to make a case. LOL. He did nothing to convince me that he is town yet though :/
I agree with the content, but it feels forced, thats all that I think about cheesecake right now. Modkills/replacements should be the LAST thing on your mind in the whole game. On November 25 2012 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote:LOL kickstart learning from the vets huh. there are like 4 pages of content, I challenge you to find a case out of that. A proper case that has scum reasons for certain posts. ok about cheesecake On November 25 2012 11:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Greetings gentlemen!
A few questions to spark ye olde town discussion:
1) How many games have you played on TL?
2) Where do you stand on lurker lynching D1?
3) Pie or Cheesecake?
For me:
1) this is my third, one game as mafia one as VT
2) Lynching a lurker d1 is good to me if no viable scum read presents itself. Also, we have no vig to take care of pesky lurkers otherwise.
3) Pie. Jk jk. This post looks like he is being light-hearted, especially with the Pie and Cheesecake question. I feel that it is an act, the post looks VERY deliberate in being casual. On November 25 2012 11:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 25 2012 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that accurate day 1 reads are difficult to make due to the low sample size and if we lynch the lurkers, everyone has to contribute which will help in making more accurate reads. Pretty obvious statement if you ask me. We just need to possess the confidence to scumhunt effectively. There is a 48 hour window between now and lynch time, so there is no reason anyone should be lurking. If we have to lynch a lurker, meh, but I'd much rather have this "small sample size" inflated within D1 so we aren't forced down the coin flip road. Anyone else around? Then here, a reason for people to be lurking is because we havent called them out. He basically says, I will lynch a lurker/anybody. Which is good reason to hop onto any bandwagon that is benefical for scum. Like lynching an inactive town/active but bad town These posts are confusing. You say several times that you can't write a case from his posts thus far, in response to those asking you to explain yourself, but then you write a mini-case in the very same post. Why didn't you just write this case when people asked for it, instead of repeatedly saying that you can't write a case? On November 26 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cheesecake, you completely miss the point about the first post.
I said you are TRYING too hard to be casual and it ends up looking fake. So therefore you are scum trying to gain town image by starting a discussion.
However, the discussion has nothing to do with scum reads and such, it is basically fluff that you want from your questions.
so I think that you are scum because you APPEAR to be helping town when in actual fact, you are putting up a facade. You say that "trying to look casual" is a scum trait, but your first few posts are looking pretty casual: On November 25 2012 11:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Just kidding :D
But seriously lets talk.
This is my first/second game, I/E I havent finished a mafia game yet This post looks pretty "forced casual" too, but I don't know if smilies are the norm for Oats. On November 25 2012 11:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
By far the most important question
3) Pie. Or a Light Cheesecake.
1) 0. I am currently in another game
2) I think that we should lynch a lurker D1 yes. Why is "trying to be casual" a scum trait when you are clearly trying to be casual yourself? This entire "trying to be casual" stuff isn't anything new. Furthermore, everyone should be acting casual because it's not a stressful game (yet?). Anything anyone says can be turned into a wifom attack via "oh, you're trying to look like this because [insert midly suspicious post here]." This seems like a very easy post to make, and I just don't see a lot of substance here. I wrote up this comment on Oats because that was the only real interesting person at that time. While you had already brought up some of the stuff on his case and "forced casual", some of it was still new. No one had pointed out the apparent contradiction between Oats saying that he can't make a case and then making a case, and no one had pointed out that Oats' posts can be interpreted as "forced casual". Show nested quote +Then, he gives a random post 2 hours after his last, and 2 hours before the next. On November 26 2012 03:19 HeloKnight wrote:On November 26 2012 01:55 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On November 26 2012 01:40 Kickstart wrote:On November 26 2012 01:25 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On November 25 2012 22:40 Kickstart wrote:
You two seem to be agreeing that you don't think Oats is scum. Can you explain his vote onto cheese then, because he apparently can't provide a decent explanation for it himself.
I take it you have never played scum. The last thing you feel like doing when you're scum is to stumble into the thread and make a terrible case with no evidence, because it'll give you a ton of attention. You can argue whether his posts are anti-town or not. They've started some discussions and a lot of people (well, at least some) are chiming in with opinions etc. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter whether it's anti-town though, I've basically seen no newbies play scum like this (perhaps Kush. I am however inclined to agree with you that scum wouldn't want to draw attention to themselves but I can't get over how bad his posts were, and they haven't gotten much better. That's exactly how I've been reacting in the Obs QTs I've been in. I see someone who (imo) play terrible and use flawed logic and it pisses me off so bad that I think it makes him scum. Rarely have those reads been correct and I think it's because scum are too careful to use terrible logic. There are better scum tells than someone simply "playing bad". The mafia has to implicate townies as scum and, using good logic, they can only convict other scum. So doesn't scum have to use terrible logic? Otherwise they with only catch their partners. I do not understand the motivation behind asking this question. The first sentence is obvious, but the question seems pointless to ask because scum can't use terrible logic or they'll be easily called out on it. It seems like a safe question to ask because the answer is easy. Afterwards, he comments on SDM's little case on me. Here, he essentially soft-defends me while probing for more information from SDM. HeloKnight seems to be playing very neutral, not wanting to take that leap of faith into uncharted territory or make anyone angry. Understandable for both new town and scum. It's how i played in XXIX so that's why it strikes me so. Hold on will post more soon on someone else need to answer some of les questions. Part of the reason I asked that question is because everyone was getting on me to contribute more, but I wasn't finding a lot to comment on. So I asked this question because it seemed like SDM was reaching an absurd conclusion: that only townies will use terrible logic. You say that scum will be easily called out on using terrible logic, but then people like SDM will point out that scum will never use terrible logic, and the scum who used the bad logic is in the clear and looking more townie.
'ppreciate yer postin's
I understand the contradiction and realize there wasn't much to discuss at the time. Really just want you to post some more. The last part about the scum logic seems too wifomy to even discuss either way; seems sort of a cyclical event in itself. You are playing fairly neutral, so I'd like to see something controversial like SDM accusing me of dick riding or Kickstart kicking Oats in the face for voting me.
For now, unFoS HeloKnight
Until I can get some serious explanation from yamato
##Vote: yamato77
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Votecount:
Mr. Cheesecake (2): Oatsmaster,Sonic Death Monkey
Oatsmaster(1): Kickstart
Yamato77 (1):Mr. Cheesecake
Not voting (5):HeloKnight,Aquanim,Jacob Strangelove,Munk-E,Yamato77
If you see your (or another's) vote to be wrong, it would be kind to notify us.
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CCs responses are satisfactory enough for him to move down from my top scum read spot. At this point I find Yamato more scummy and less engaged in this game. This is something I would expect from scum, they don't really care who gets lynched, especially if the current main targets are townies.
##unvote
##vote: Yamato
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Votecount:
Mr. Cheesecake (1): Oatsmaster,Sonic Death Monkey
Oatsmaster(1): Kickstart
Yamato77 (2):Mr. Cheesecake,Sonic Death Monkey
Not voting (5):HeloKnight,Aquanim,Jacob Strangelove,Munk-E,Yamato77
If you see your (or another's) vote to be wrong, it would be kind to notify us.
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On November 26 2012 05:34 yamato77 wrote:
Mr. Cheesecake is playing without contributing. He's written a lot, but most of it is absolutely useless to a town looking for scum. His policy discussion and talk about other mafia games he's played doesn't help hunt for other players, it seems like more of a defense for himself. Then he calls out two players, myself and Helo, trying to draw attention away from himself. None of this reads town to me, at all.
You say I'm playing without contributing. I've given more thoughts/opinions and lead more discussions than everyone except maybe sdm. You say policy discussion doesn't help other players and you're right; it's a method to begin the thread. The fact that you're using policy discussion to attack me is hilarious. My other mafia games are talked about mainly because SDM was asking about them. You also say I'm trying to draw attention away from myself, hardly the contrary. The pressure on me is going nowhere, and I'm showing where I think scum may be hiding.
Your post is baseless because you have neither brought up these concerns beforehand, nor provide any evidence to your account. Where is your opinion on the other suspicious players like Oats? SDM gives a little jab at me and you're all over it.
You haven't given a single reason why anyone should take your word seriously.
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I see Yamato posted while I was typing. Getting late but I'll have some questions for tomorrow.
So far D1 confirmed disappointment.
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You want my opinion on Oats? He is probably just a bored townie early on because him giving some silly read is just to spark discussion on something. As he keeps going on, a lot of his posting is in reaction to you and accusations against him, which is entirely logical given that until you guys FoS'd me, that was the only discussion. Nothing there reads either way, in particular.
SDM's post was "a little jab"? Dude voted for you. If I'm interested in his reasons, which I was, and I have my own reasons, which I did, I would voice them. Again, am I supposed to just stay silent and let you lynch me for saying nothing?
I definitely said I didn't like your topics of discussion in my first few posts. They are fluff, which I don't care for. I didn't react to them because that is adding to the fluff. If that is how people think we should start threads, I disagree. It doesn't provide any information at all. What Oats did was more productive, in my opinion, but hardly alignment indicative.
Also, I'm definitely interested to see if SDM still thinks my play is scummy after these two posts. And how about the rest of you lurkers? Do I look scummy to you?
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On November 26 2012 07:26 yamato77 wrote:
You want my opinion on Oats? He is probably just a bored townie early on because him giving some silly read is just to spark discussion on something. As he keeps going on, a lot of his posting is in reaction to you and accusations against him, which is entirely logical given that until you guys FoS'd me, that was the only discussion. Nothing there reads either way, in particular.
SDM's post was "a little jab"? Dude voted for you. If I'm interested in his reasons, which I was, and I have my own reasons, which I did, I would voice them. Again, am I supposed to just stay silent and let you lynch me for saying nothing?
I definitely said I didn't like your topics of discussion in my first few posts. They are fluff, which I don't care for. I didn't react to them because that is adding to the fluff. If that is how people think we should start threads, I disagree. It doesn't provide any information at all. What Oats did was more productive, in my opinion, but hardly alignment indicative.
Also, I'm definitely interested to see if SDM still thinks my play is scummy after these two posts. And how about the rest of you lurkers? Do I look scummy to you?
What do you think of SDM right now?
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