EPTI hate esports. - Page 24
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empty.bottle
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Cuh
United States403 Posts
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Herculix
United States946 Posts
On May 03 2012 10:52 nastharl wrote: Heres the thing. Heres the reason that i'm OK with people railing on destiny. Heres why we should witch-hunt every person out there over the age of 18 who fucks up. Heres there reason why people deserve to lose their jobs over crap like this. Because society is better off with less people acting like assholes, and when assholes realize that acting like an asshole has consequences. And the more prominent people that get called out for it, the less likly people are to imitate them and act like assholes. Freedom of speech defense is a bullshit argument because you want to be able to act like an asshole and seem like its OK. ITS NOT OK TO BE AN ASSHOLE. Noone is forcing you to read threads about it. Noone is forcing you to comment on it. Noone is forcing you to be aware of it. You have the option RIGHT NOW to totally ignore all drama. However, you choose to read the drama and then be mad about it. Dont hold other people responsible for your choices. Spiting people for being an asshole is calling the kettle black. I don't see how in one train of logic, you can say anyone who is an asshole who is over 18 deserves to lose their jobs, but in another, you can say it's incredibly easy to just ignore it. I hope you lose your job one day over a random complaint that a person shares with a group of friends who plot against you, just because you had a bad day at work. And not just any job either, one you put blood, sweat and tears into. One that requires talent that simply going to school for just doesn't cut. I really hope this happens to you so you can develop the kind of empathy you lack, because it makes you an asshole without it but more importantly a hypocritical asshole. | ||
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
On May 05 2012 15:11 Herculix wrote: Spiting people for being an asshole is calling the kettle black. I don't see how in one train of logic, you can say anyone who is an asshole who is over 18 deserves to lose their jobs, but in another, you can say it's incredibly easy to just ignore it. I hope you lose your job one day over a random complaint that a person shares with a group of friends who plot against you, just because you had a bad day at work. And not just any job either, one you put blood, sweat and tears into. One that requires talent that simply going to school for just doesn't cut. I really hope this happens to you so you can develop the kind of empathy you lack, because it makes you an asshole without it but more importantly a hypocritical asshole. This is a point of view I find somewhat confusing. Destiny acts like an arsehole all the time, there is nothing defensible about the way he treats some people who beat him. He knows that the way he behaves is incompatible with the wishes of most pro teams (so far complexity and Quantic), he fully understands this and he refuses to change himself for that anyway. It's his fault entirely that he got into that position. EDIT- and as to the OP, what jinro posted I agree with 100% | ||
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figq
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Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States15973 Posts
On May 05 2012 09:33 Talin wrote: How about the part where football has hundreds of years of history and tradition, and there are places where it's a part of national culture? And most of this history comes BEFORE all the big sponsors, media and money came in (which happened only in the last 30 or 40 years). For most of its history, there was virtually no money in football. Assuming you're talking about the actual football, not handegg of course. When Starcraft 2 is a hundred, nay, just TEN years old (say pro BW age) and if people still happen to play it and enjoy competing in it, I'll start a campaign myself to introduce it as an Olympic sport or esport or whatever you want. But we all know that is never going to happen. Western "esports" is just a sponsor-driven marketing scheme that will hop from one video game to the other and never give a single one of them enough legitimacy to be rightfully called a sport. A sport is a game that grows organically and gains in players and popularity regardless of how much media attention it gets. Without that, there is ZERO long term potential and zero chance of the competition ever reaching a serious enough level. And SC2 even with all the media attention it gets is losing players by the day. That's actually the ONE thing that people could do to really help Starcraft grow into a sport - play the fucking game. Seriously, just by being a player they'd be helping out more than getting involved in esportvangelical mobs, creating "content", giving MLG money, watching streams, etc. Just one more active SC2 1v1 player is worth more than all of that. But alas, no, we now have "the ladder anxiety syndrome", or in other words, we're being pussies and cop out of playing the game we claim to be so passionate about and involved in (yes, I'm guilty of that myself, although I'm not particularly passionate to begin with so there's that too). Being a fan and watching the game and acting important on forums is SO much easier and more fun. -_- Guess what, ultimately, at some point, nobody will care about a game that nobody plays even if everything else is perfect. You're using Football as an example of a sport with tradition behind it and that's cool. Starcraft can never be football, the same way it can never be Baseball. Explain to me why Starcraft can't be like Golf? bowling? or Professional Poker? There's already activities out there that are considered "sports" that go against exactly the kind of philosophy you're trying to illustrate. At the end of the day, e-sports is all about competition. Skill driven competition. Competition is the same whether it's on a court or at a computer. It's the natural urge of men to compete with each other. E-sports is just as legitimate in that regard as so many other things are. | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
You hit the zeitgeist very well with this blog. | ||
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KNICK
Germany248 Posts
What bugs me the most is this shitty political correctness thing that is forced on everyone (see the Destiny "incident") by random people who apparently can't handle hearing or reading certain words without freaking the fuck out. Running to Quantic's sponsors and potentially endangering the future of their whole Starcraft squad because of a word Destiny typed on his stream? Bah. Where are the good old days when TL Mods wrote songs about their crotches? When you could say that you raped that one guy on ICCUP/ladder without fear of being hunted down by the PR police? When we didn't have threads about how casters need to dress and how Day9 needs to trim his left eyebrow and Wheat needs to straighten his tie, because they might be hurting the growth of esports if they don't? I guess there's some of us who just don't really fit into this new vision of the Starcraft community anymore. But that's fine, I'll keep watching the game I love and refrain from participating in discussions too much. | ||
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FlamingForce
Netherlands701 Posts
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askTeivospy
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On May 06 2012 00:32 Vindicare605 wrote: You're using Football as an example of a sport with tradition behind it and that's cool. Starcraft can never be football, the same way it can never be Baseball. Explain to me why Starcraft can't be like Golf? bowling? or Professional Poker? There's already activities out there that are considered "sports" that go against exactly the kind of philosophy you're trying to illustrate. At the end of the day, e-sports is all about competition. Skill driven competition. Competition is the same whether it's on a court or at a computer. It's the natural urge of men to compete with each other. E-sports is just as legitimate in that regard as so many other things are. I didn't choose to use football as an example, the post I replied to did. Golf, bowling and poker also have decades of tradition and are played worldwide. Poker is a century old game for crying out loud. Legitimacy is based on recognition and acceptance, not anyone's personal definition of a sport. Besides, I'm not even saying that it can't be a sport given enough time and proper promotion of the game - I'm just saying it won't be one, because of how esports works in the west. It might be one in Korea again because they have structure and direction (or at least KeSPA does), but it still largely depends on the popularity of the game itself, and that doesn't look too bright either. | ||
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ETisME
12229 Posts
On May 06 2012 01:05 KNICK wrote: I agree with most of what you wrote. I'm not interested in Starcraft going "mainstream" if that means we have to give up everything that made us a community in the first place. We're gamers, not suit-wearing corporate representatives. But I don't want SCII to die either. I enjoy watching the game (and ONLY the game, not the fancy interviews and documentaries and whatever around it). What bugs me the most is this shitty political correctness thing that is forced on everyone (see the Destiny "incident") by random people who apparently can't handle hearing or reading certain words without freaking the fuck out. Running to Quantic's sponsors and potentially endangering the future of their whole Starcraft squad because of a word Destiny typed on his stream? Bah. Where are the good old days when TL Mods wrote songs about their crotches? When you could say that you raped that one guy on ICCUP/ladder without fear of being hunted down by the PR police? When we didn't have threads about how casters need to dress and how Day9 needs to trim his left eyebrow and Wheat needs to straighten his tie, because they might be hurting the growth of esports if they don't? I guess there's some of us who just don't really fit into this new vision of the Starcraft community anymore. But that's fine, I'll keep watching the game I love and refrain from participating in discussions too much. same here to be completely honest, I was equally as mad at TL's mod because they let the thread opened. I wasn't sure if the thread was even meant for a discussion anyway. I mean given destiny's personality and amount of hours he stream, it is SO SCARY to know how vulnerable he is to these kind of hate threads. All you need to do is: cheese, forward BM and win. repeat enough and eventually you will get some BMs and maybe some racist comments. Then just screen cap and start a thread on TL and watch. The guy had nothing to lose and don't need to do much except to enjoy watching the thread to go wild and it will almost always get the goal done. (And to be honest, being asian myself, being called racist slur is probably a million times less hurtful than personal attacks, so maybe I am biased here. But if it was stereotyping and racist, then I will be offended. example: go fuck ur mum with ur 3inch asian dick. One that I actually got when I was playing dota) | ||
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FlamingForce
Netherlands701 Posts
On May 06 2012 04:21 ETisME wrote: same here to be completely honest, I was equally as mad at TL's mod because they let the thread opened. I wasn't sure if the thread was even meant for a discussion anyway. I mean given destiny's personality and amount of hours he stream, it is SO SCARY to know how vulnerable he is to these kind of hate threads. All you need to do is: cheese, forward BM and win. repeat enough and eventually you will get some BMs and maybe some racist comments. Then just screen cap and start a thread on TL and watch. The guy had nothing to lose and don't need to do much except to enjoy watching the thread to go wild and it will almost always get the goal done. (And to be honest, being asian myself, being called racist slur is probably a million times less hurtful than personal attacks, so maybe I am biased here. But if it was stereotyping and racist, then I will be offended. example: go fuck ur mum with ur 3inch asian dick. One that I actually got when I was playing dota) It scares me to think that these people are theoretically capable of simply getting rid of the players they don't like which will create a place where everybody lives in a safe little bubble wrap and where uttering some bad words means you get torch'd and pitchforked to death. Holy shit, that would be so extremely boring, can you imagine? | ||
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MeriaDoKk
Chile1726 Posts
The fun doesn't exist anymore, we and blizzard killed it. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On May 06 2012 04:21 ETisME wrote: same here to be completely honest, I was equally as mad at TL's mod because they let the thread opened. I wasn't sure if the thread was even meant for a discussion anyway. The moderation has gone way downhill. Just about the only reasons people get banned for these days are being politically incorrect, memes, or blunt one liners. -_- | ||
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FlamingForce
Netherlands701 Posts
On May 06 2012 06:18 Talin wrote: The moderation has gone way downhill. Just about the only reasons people get banned for these days are being politically incorrect, memes, or blunt one liners. -_- Oh, so I'm not the only one who feels that way. | ||
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ShamTao
United States419 Posts
Fortunately, you don't have any sponsors so at least the lynch mob spillover in here can't affect your life. Fuck eSports, and fuck everybody who thinks they're so much better than me or somebody else for posting honorable words on an internet forum. The only results that I've seen from this and orb is that two guys had their sponsors taken away from them within 24 hours with zero chance of negotiation with their own team, and no second chance to improve. Instead it's just punishment punishment punishment. | ||
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Kamikiri
United States1319 Posts
On May 06 2012 06:38 ShamTao wrote: Great blog. Fortunately, you don't have any sponsors so at least the lynch mob spillover in here can't affect your life. Fuck eSports, and fuck everybody who thinks they're so much better than me or somebody else for posting honorable words on an internet forum. The only results that I've seen from this and orb is that two guys had their sponsors taken away from them within 24 hours with zero chance of negotiation with their own team, and no second chance to improve. Instead it's just punishment punishment punishment. What has happened in the Destiny thread really upset me, so many people emailing sponsors just to try to get more people hurt and in trouble disgusts me. I love eSports but I really hate some of the things that are happening here, the mob mentality like when Moletrap switched to LoL because of a better offer. So many people went crazy personally insulting him and trying to hurt him. Or what happened with Destiny, people started emailing Quantics sponsors and arguing in the thread saying they should be emailing other teams sponsors trying to get more people fired. 2 Years ago when I first discovered Teamliquid this was the most amazing place I had ever seen online, so many great and amazing people on these forums. Now there is a ton of witch hunts and terrible things happening. All that said, I love Teamliquid and its honestly my favorite community ever. I also love eSports still, I love just coming home at night and watching the GSL or MLG or whatever tournament is on. I absolutely love seeing someone win an entire tournament and their struggle on how they got their. You have to take the good with the bad, and when you get the bad not say fuck everything, forgetting about the good. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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