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On March 03 2012 05:51 Maverick32x wrote:+ Show Spoiler +@Sufficiency- Good posts!! I'm really glad to hear from you!! That being said, I truly am suspecting the following people as the most likely to be mafia at this point- Sufficiency- Its not so much the things you said, but the reactions that I've been gathering from the bottom two. Obviously I suspected you from the start due to your poor posting. But it seems like a lot of the other people were eager to let you get by as "poor town", and you weren't confronted at all. Then all of a sudden you post that you want to get rid of the lurker, and Dim hopes right on board. You've established zero credability in this thread, if anything you were seen as a non-helpful, yet for some reason you're getting bandwagon support..... Dim- You've spent a lot of time defending Mementoss, and bandwagoned with Sufficiency. On March 02 2012 19:25 DimmuKlok wrote:
My thoughts regarding Mementoss and Pablols, I think we have a case of 2 townies accusing each other. Yes Mementoss did misquote Pablols but his posts thus far have given me a town vibe, and a misquote is no reason to lynch someone. Pablols doesn't really have a solid case on him since Mementoss's case was addressed by Pablols, and in my opinion truth except for accusation of Mementoss.
Normally I wouldn't be posting who I think is town, but I don't want to see the discussion of who to lynch on these two, since I think it's a waste of time at the moment. On March 03 2012 03:24 DimmuKlok wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 03:09 Sufficiency wrote: If I have to choose from the three I listed above, however, I'd probably just lynch beorn. It feels to me that his inactivity is either because he is really scum, or his lack of power (i.e. he is probably vanilla). I really don't think he is a PR of any sort. It feels like a safe lynch to me.
In my opinion, day1 lynch is very difficult to conduct. Without any "hard" evidence (from kills, etc.) and only through talking, any mafia can be just as pro-town as anyone else. I agree. Lets lynch beorn. He has yet to contribute and say who he feels is a good lynch candidate for today. On March 02 2012 07:59 DimmuKlok wrote: Because some of you are starting to look at Mementoss, I'm going to post my opinion on him quickly and post my scum reads a bit later.
Mementoss's posts thus far seem pro town to me. He's been either giving his opinion on the topic at hand, pointing out inactives, and posting his scum reads. Even if all his scum picks were wrong, it's still pro town to put it out there. It forces responses from the accused, which brings more information to the table. I think this is highly suspicous behavior. Both players have bounced off each other and defended each other's actions to establish credability. Mementos: On March 02 2012 05:46 Mementoss wrote:
Sufficiency (although trackd00r brings up a point about his sloppy posts)
Not counting Beorn cause I think it might be cause hes a noob and just forgot about the game starting to be honest. But he is in my mind too. Creating excuses for Sufficiency. On March 02 2012 10:37 Mementoss wrote: @Maverick - I would also like to hear more from Sufficiency, I still have a decently scummy read on him based on his low amount of posting. Content related posters (includes at least 1 post unique opinion with logic and evidence to back it up.) Mementoss trackd00r maverick dimmuklok --> interested in your opinion of scum.
No unique opinion (bandwagoners) - Little content posts/one liners /derails gunman rainman friedchicken tiystus otoshimoU beornt
Quick to judge - Quick fos, multiple FoS, no evidence to back it up Pablos FoS ->(trackd00r, mementoss) Suffiency FoS ->(gunman, OtU) I honestly was shocked when I saw Dimm in this list. I looked through his filter and did not see a whole lot of "Meaningful posts".. but I guess the bar was set kind of low for this... I think he kept Sufficiency in the bottom since obviously I have been making a scene about him. You later make a huge post about how scummy Sufficiency is, and how you think he is the worst townie ever, or mafia. On March 03 2012 02:57 Mementoss wrote:@Maverick, I still don't see the read on Tiystus personally, but would lvoe to hear more from him. I consider him more of a lurker than anything. If we lynch Sufficiency or OtoshimonoU I think there is a damn good chance one of them is scum, and they are both pretty worthless (so far ) as town. Don't forget OtoshimonoU not responding to you as well Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 12:04 Maverick32x wrote: Maverick, you might sound very strong in your arguments, but to me it already shows your strange behavior.
@Oto: I would really be interested to know what it is that you mean by that? Its strange that I'm forming logical arguments? I'm trying to accomplish a goal. If you want to punch holes in my reads, by all means go ahead, but just blanket statements to create doubt doesn't seem like its very helpful. I want to get discussions going based off these reads so we can go into Day 1 Lynch with some suspicions and the ability to make an informed decision (as I've stated numerous times)
Not only ignores you but ignores trackd00r. Not only ignores you and trackd00rs question but also mine. About Sufficiency, I think he is town. No newbie mafia would try to catch up so much attention in that way. They'd rather stay more quiet and apparently contribute, which it's kinda working for them now. Beorn1 hasn't posted anything yet. The player I would worry right now is OtoshimonoU. He has been the least contributor (excluding beorn) so far. This is his only post with actual content. Right now the lack of posting is really hurting us seeing different point of views, and to get more of a read on where some people stand. Both sufficiency and OtoshimonoU are good lynches imo, and I just want to make sure we get the majority to get one out and gain some information. My vote right now is committed to [red]OtoshimonoU.[red] Yet you've flipped to Oto, and are actively trying to make me consider Oto, and point to his lack of answering to both myself and Trackd00r- trying to get us to sway our votes. All this being said!!!! I won't vote for mementoss or Dim. They do talk a lot, which would be useful later on if they do end up being Mafia... So I guess that leads me to who I should vote for... I have about 2 hours left!! So I'm going to keep reading through and seeing what people come up with!!! Feel free to respond Sufficiency, Dim and Mementoss- I'd like to hear a counter to what I've posted, since I'm trying to stay open-minded.
Defending Mementoss was simply me trying to get the conversation in a more productive direction and off someone I thought was innocent at the time.
Bandwagoning with Sufficiency actually had nothing to do with Sufficiency at all. When Sufficiency posted that he wanted to lynch Beorn, I quickly agreed and threw my vote on him. This was done in order to pressure Beorn out of hiding. In the post I hint at exactly what I want him to do, and that's to "contribute and say who he feels is a good lynch candidate". I suspected him as scum so his response was going to give me a lot of information.
I even make another post to put the pressure back on Beorn and get some information out of him here: On March 03 2012 05:06 DimmuKlok wrote: Beorn, we're still waiting for your case on who to lynch. When you decide to start contributing, please also give me your opinion on Rainmaker and what you think about my read on him.
My vote was not initially intended for Beorn, nor did I intend to keep it on him, because I didn't think he would get enough votes before the deadline. I'm changing my vote to Oto, who I originally intended on voting for. I want to state however that we cannot let this continue after today. We will always be more conformable with lynching someone who we have a read on, but we need a way to get lurkers to post. Consider this scenario... mafia without any consequences of not contributing can just chill day after day while everyone kills each other.
On Day 2 I think we should seriously consider lynching lurkers, or start conversation on how to get them to post more.
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I honestly believe that Beorn will be getting modkilled tonight, so I just don't want to waste the lynch. But yeah, we need to put more pressure on the lurkers definitely in day 2. We need to hear from a few more people still on their opinion. Right now the vote is 5 - OtoshmonoU 1 - Beorne.
We still need to hear opinions from, bubbles, gunman, pablols, titystis, and Beorn.
I think sufficiency spoke up in a last effort to get Beorne lynched because he knew it be easy to convince at least a few people to vote Beorne and it was easy to get people to agree with him, why? Post count 1, thats why. Possibly he done this as a pressure play, but it also coulda been a play against the town to take away the majority and get a no lynch. Something to think about at least, and we will see if he changes vote or remains.
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I'm somewhat lost when it comes to Sufficiency. I can't tell if he's smart and trying to get reactions out of people with his posts, or one of the many other things I've considered. If people are interested I can make a more detailed case on my opinion of him, but even I'm not too confident in my read on him.
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On March 03 2012 05:51 Maverick32x wrote:Mementos: Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 05:46 Mementoss wrote:
Sufficiency (although trackd00r brings up a point about his sloppy posts)
Not counting Beorn cause I think it might be cause hes a noob and just forgot about the game starting to be honest. But he is in my mind too. Creating excuses for Sufficiency. Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 10:37 Mementoss wrote: @Maverick - I would also like to hear more from Sufficiency, I still have a decently scummy read on him based on his low amount of posting. Content related posters (includes at least 1 post unique opinion with logic and evidence to back it up.) Mementoss trackd00r maverick dimmuklok --> interested in your opinion of scum.
No unique opinion (bandwagoners) - Little content posts/one liners /derails gunman rainman friedchicken tiystus otoshimoU beornt
Quick to judge - Quick fos, multiple FoS, no evidence to back it up Pablos FoS ->(trackd00r, mementoss) Suffiency FoS ->(gunman, OtU) I honestly was shocked when I saw Dimm in this list. I looked through his filter and did not see a whole lot of "Meaningful posts".. but I guess the bar was set kind of low for this... I think he kept Sufficiency in the bottom since obviously I have been making a scene about him. You later make a huge post about how scummy Sufficiency is, and how you think he is the worst townie ever, or mafia. Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 02:57 Mementoss wrote:@Maverick, I still don't see the read on Tiystus personally, but would lvoe to hear more from him. I consider him more of a lurker than anything. If we lynch Sufficiency or OtoshimonoU I think there is a damn good chance one of them is scum, and they are both pretty worthless (so far ) as town. Don't forget OtoshimonoU not responding to you as well On March 02 2012 12:04 Maverick32x wrote: Maverick, you might sound very strong in your arguments, but to me it already shows your strange behavior.
@Oto: I would really be interested to know what it is that you mean by that? Its strange that I'm forming logical arguments? I'm trying to accomplish a goal. If you want to punch holes in my reads, by all means go ahead, but just blanket statements to create doubt doesn't seem like its very helpful. I want to get discussions going based off these reads so we can go into Day 1 Lynch with some suspicions and the ability to make an informed decision (as I've stated numerous times)
Not only ignores you but ignores trackd00r. Not only ignores you and trackd00rs question but also mine. About Sufficiency, I think he is town. No newbie mafia would try to catch up so much attention in that way. They'd rather stay more quiet and apparently contribute, which it's kinda working for them now. Beorn1 hasn't posted anything yet. The player I would worry right now is OtoshimonoU. He has been the least contributor (excluding beorn) so far. This is his only post with actual content. Right now the lack of posting is really hurting us seeing different point of views, and to get more of a read on where some people stand. Both sufficiency and OtoshimonoU are good lynches imo, and I just want to make sure we get the majority to get one out and gain some information. My vote right now is committed to [red]OtoshimonoU.[red] Yet you've flipped to Oto, and are actively trying to make me consider Oto, and point to his lack of answering to both myself and Trackd00r- trying to get us to sway our votes. All this being said!!!! I won't vote for mementoss or Dim. They do talk a lot, which would be useful later on if they do end up being Mafia... So I guess that leads me to who I should vote for... I have about 2 hours left!! So I'm going to keep reading through and seeing what people come up with!!! Feel free to respond Sufficiency, Dim and Mementoss- I'd like to hear a counter to what I've posted, since I'm trying to stay open-minded.
Alright, I feel as though I should respond to this. Some of the points have me a bit confused.
1. Creating excuses for Sufficiency, I've actively been against Sufficiency. Early game he was very suspicious, and trackd00r brought the point up about him just being a noob. He hadn't posted in a while and I thought this could be the case but needed to wait for a response. He responds, with 4 post string of absolute garbage, and thats when I write my big analysis of him. At that point I was 60% Sufficiency, 40% OtoshmonoU.
2. The list. If you read back through the thread, you will see for the early part of the thread (when the list was created), people gave some 1 liner opinions on RL situation and had a couple pages where they just stopped posting. Others were quick to jump to FoS, multiple times without evidence. Dimmkuk was on the Opinion given part on the list, cause he gave a unique response on what he thought of me, and provided actual evidence/reasons to back it up. At that point of the thread quality posts were very hard to come by and only came by me you and trackd00r.
3. If you were 60% Sufficiency, 40% OtoshmonoU, why did I vote OtoshmonoU? I had a good scum read on both of them, but felt pressured to vote OtoshmonoU at the time because trackd00r did. Why did I feel pressured? For a good almost like 4-5 hours post count was amazingly low for it being so close to voting time. Pressure was being put on lurkers to post and they still weren't. I was scared of a no-lynch situation and that the low post activity would make it too hard to have a good discussion in which we could get at least 7 people to vote the same person.
4. I wasn't trying to sway your vote in an aggressive manner, I was just pointing out that 3 people have put pressure plays on him to post opinionated posts and none of it worked. Scummy situation. Hard to get a read off someone completely neutral or thoughtless in all of his posts.
5.Recently Sufficiency at least made some good posts and gave an opinion, which in the end put OtoshmonoU slightly ahead in my books for the person who needs to be Lynched.
Could trackd00r be purposely pressure OtoshmonoU vote by putting in his vote so early? Its possible, but I haven't really got a scummy read from him all game.
Clear things up maverick?
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Yes 3 and 4 were good. I can relate to 3... Sitting in bad traffic now so can't go into much more detail... When I get home I plan on getting a way to organize people's fos and alignment to each other... Could be helpful post vote??
I'm very interested to see how it all shakes out!!
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Gunman, did you honestly think this would go un-noticed?
On March 03 2012 08:03 gunman103 wrote: ##Vote: Tiystus
I thought I would go eat and give you time to give some time to give reasoning in the thread. Its been a half hour. You'd think you would post reasoning before running straight to the vote thread. You do realize voting without trying to at least convince your case/state your opinions in the thread is very suspicious play? The below is hardly reasoning.
On March 02 2012 11:54 gunman103 wrote: #1 Tiystus- He was fine with randomly killing someone early on but then changes his mind later. Seems like one of his scum friends told him what to say. He also never seems to make a decision on anything. .
This vote seems very selfish, and mafia motivated. Give some more reasoning behind this choice and why is this vote a better vote than OtoshmonoU? Why didn't you like the OtoshmonoU evidence that was given by a couple different people in this thread. It seems like you wanted vote without bringing attention to yourself, and to split the town into a no-lynch situation.
On March 01 2012 14:11 gunman103 wrote: DimmuKlok is right. If we have to do a lynch without a strong case, lynching a lurker would be more effective than a RL seeing as how most mafia are lurkers. Also, lets wait before we decide to lynch someone because we don't need to worry about it right now.
You even said it yourself, if your going to lynch you need a strong case. What is your strong case in this situation? Later in the above quote you said lynching a lurker would be better than lynching without a strong case, however your reasoning behind voting tiystus didn't mention anything about you thinking him, because he was a lurker. And if you were to vote for a lurker, wouldn't Beorn be a better case as he has the least amount of posts, and has given no kind of read yet?
Your move gunman.
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On March 03 2012 08:35 Mementoss wrote:Gunman, did you honestly think this would go un-noticed? I thought I would go eat and give you time to give some time to give reasoning in the thread. Its been a half hour. You'd think you would post reasoning before running straight to the vote thread. You do realize voting without trying to at least convince your case/state your opinions in the thread is very suspicious play? The below is hardly reasoning. Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 11:54 gunman103 wrote: #1 Tiystus- He was fine with randomly killing someone early on but then changes his mind later. Seems like one of his scum friends told him what to say. He also never seems to make a decision on anything. . This vote seems very selfish, and mafia motivated. Give some more reasoning behind this choice and why is this vote a better vote than OtoshmonoU? Why didn't you like the OtoshmonoU evidence that was given by a couple different people in this thread. It seems like you wanted vote without bringing attention to yourself, and to split the town into a no-lynch situation. Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 14:11 gunman103 wrote: DimmuKlok is right. If we have to do a lynch without a strong case, lynching a lurker would be more effective than a RL seeing as how most mafia are lurkers. Also, lets wait before we decide to lynch someone because we don't need to worry about it right now. You even said it yourself, if your going to lynch you need a strong case. What is your strong case in this situation? Later in the above quote you said lynching a lurker would be better than lynching without a strong case, however your reasoning behind voting tiystus didn't mention anything about you thinking him, because he was a lurker. And if you were to vote for a lurker, wouldn't Beorn be a better case as he has the least amount of posts, and has given no kind of read yet? Your move gunman. Alright, I'll change my vote. I suppose I didn't really get a good enough read on oto and focused to much on lurkers. Now that I look at his posts, he does look suspicious. I suppose I thought that lynching a lurker would be better than killing a potential town because lynching a lurker wouldn't actually hurt us all that much because they don't add anything to the discussion, where as if we he turns out to be town, we wouldn't get his input.
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On March 03 2012 08:56 gunman103 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 08:35 Mementoss wrote:Gunman, did you honestly think this would go un-noticed? On March 03 2012 08:03 gunman103 wrote: ##Vote: Tiystus I thought I would go eat and give you time to give some time to give reasoning in the thread. Its been a half hour. You'd think you would post reasoning before running straight to the vote thread. You do realize voting without trying to at least convince your case/state your opinions in the thread is very suspicious play? The below is hardly reasoning. On March 02 2012 11:54 gunman103 wrote: #1 Tiystus- He was fine with randomly killing someone early on but then changes his mind later. Seems like one of his scum friends told him what to say. He also never seems to make a decision on anything. . This vote seems very selfish, and mafia motivated. Give some more reasoning behind this choice and why is this vote a better vote than OtoshmonoU? Why didn't you like the OtoshmonoU evidence that was given by a couple different people in this thread. It seems like you wanted vote without bringing attention to yourself, and to split the town into a no-lynch situation. On March 01 2012 14:11 gunman103 wrote: DimmuKlok is right. If we have to do a lynch without a strong case, lynching a lurker would be more effective than a RL seeing as how most mafia are lurkers. Also, lets wait before we decide to lynch someone because we don't need to worry about it right now. You even said it yourself, if your going to lynch you need a strong case. What is your strong case in this situation? Later in the above quote you said lynching a lurker would be better than lynching without a strong case, however your reasoning behind voting tiystus didn't mention anything about you thinking him, because he was a lurker. And if you were to vote for a lurker, wouldn't Beorn be a better case as he has the least amount of posts, and has given no kind of read yet? Your move gunman. Alright, I'll change my vote. I suppose I didn't really get a good enough read on oto and focused to much on lurkers. Now that I look at his posts, he does look suspicious. I suppose I thought that lynching a lurker would be better than killing a potential town because lynching a lurker wouldn't actually hurt us all that much because they don't add anything to the discussion, where as if we he turns out to be town, we wouldn't get his input.
Im not trying to post this in an aggressive way, although it sounds that way. You don't have to change your vote im just saying it seems suspicious and you should back up your actions, while or before you take them.
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On March 01 2012 15:33 Maverick32x wrote: If we are making completely random choices- this is how the numbers role out. (99% sure...)
Situation Ratio of Mafia:town___ Percent Mafia influence_______ Change in Mafia Percentage Right now 3: 9 ______________ 33% Mafia Best case: 1:4 ______________ 25% Mafia ______________ -8% difference ______________ 25% chance of this Worst Case: 3: 7 ______________43% Mafia _____________+10% difference ______________75% chance of this Nothing 3:8: ______________ 37.5%Mafia ______________+4.5% Difference ______________ Depends.
Before I post my opinions, this is hurting my eyes, so me correct you. Maybe you just used the word "influence" wrong, maybe it's a case of semantics, maybe it's an innocent mistake. Anyway:
Situation Ratio of Mafia:town___ Percent Mafia influence_______ Change in Mafia Percentage Right now 3: 9 ______________ 25% Mafia Best case: 2:8 ______________ 20% Mafia ______________ -5% difference ______________ 25% chance of this Worst Case: 3: 7 ______________30% Mafia _____________+5% difference ______________75% chance of this Nothing 3:8: ______________ 27,3%Mafia ______________+2,3% Difference ______________ Depends.
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Sorry guys, its a bit overwhelming trying to take in 7/8 pages of discussion, especially considering how many filler/opinion summaries there are. Frankly I think opinion "summaries" are worthless (especially from non-confirmed PRs on day 1). Accusing someone for not wanting NL/normal lynch/RL/whatever is also worthless, because all of those have merits (and statistics, which we don't have, will eventually tell us which is best) . Anyway, for the current discussion:
I don't see what Otoshi has done enough to warrant so much suspicion.
1) He first said he wanted no lynch then said would agree with a random lynch. Flip-flopping, but not a major case. 2) He comments on track's bold first post and sends a few one-liners. Suspicious? Sure. Derailing the discussion? It may have been filler, but not annoying, distracting filler, so no. 3) His tell on his 4th post. OK, I will admit this looks pretty damn suspicious, but idk, may just have been phrasing. If anything, this shows that Trackdoor is really on the ball (so far as the first day goes, he's the only one here who looks slightly trustworthy). 4) The rest of his posts he defends himself from Mementos. He doesn't put much effort into his posts, and doesn't post much. This is scumtelling, but I'm not convinced its enough.
I'm sticking with a ##Vote: No Lynch. There's already 6 votes on him and I'm not convinced enough to hammer.
Now, for my actual suspect here: Maverick + Show Spoiler +On March 01 2012 14:42 Maverick32x wrote: So.. believe it or not guys.. Tiystus, Friedchicken and Sufficiency… 3 support randomly lynching…. And there are 3 mafia…. I’d like to hear more out of you guys- but the bandwagoning behind this idea is highly suspicious….
1) Slightly confusing graph (as I pointed out last post) and willing to accuse people at once just because they had an argument pro-RL (sure, Tiystus and Sufficiency were pointing fingers as well, but your enphasis was on the pro-RL). In the first day we're here to try to point out mistakes and inconsistencies, and the mafia is (probably) not stupid enough to show themselves together so easily. Your willingness to accuse 3 at once and act like you've solved the case is suspicious.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 01 2012 14:42 Maverick32x wrote: Trackd00r- Thank you. I agree. We need activity if we’re going to lynch successfully. What I’m most worried about is that the mafia are eyeing inactive townies and plan on trying to swing us in that direction….
2) The whole point of lynching lurkers is that they are usually scum, not usually town. There's a good chance there are 2 mafia guys going along with the discussion, but that a third one is hanging back to not endanger himself of later days. If we have to choose between two lurkers, it is up to us (town) to not be dissuaded by someone (or two) who knows which lurker is mafia and which one is town. Still, lynching lurkers is a good strategy, having no better suspect.
3) Nervous of sounding "bloodthirsty". You're not even close to the accusation center and you apologise in 3 different posts?
+ Show Spoiler +On March 02 2012 10:36 Maverick32x wrote:Okay guys. This is ALL of my reads over the past day. Let me know what you think. If any is inaccurate let me know, but I broke it down into looking at each player's tendency to agree/disagree with someone else to see if there are any patterns of "allegiance" that I can spot. I also looked at behaviors that can be interpreted as either Mafia or Town. I obviously couldn't hit on everything, but these were the things that jumped out at me.. feel free to agree/disagree all you'd like. Lastly, I put in some miscellaneous information that I just thought was interesting or factual about a stance that the person had. I obviously didn't write stuff about myself, but if you'd like to create one for me, go ahead. 1.) gunman103 – + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Dimx2 Disagrees with: Sufficiency. Mafia Behaviors: A kind of wishy-washy with his policy. Starts to fall to RL as a last resort if necessary. Though previously stated he wants to lynch for info, he now is considering a RL, but would prefer a ‘lurker’. Town Behaviors: Doesn’t want to lynch unless there is information to be gained. Repeats this information. Reinforces this idea a third time Misc: Against random lynching. Should only lynch for info. . 2.) Mementoss – + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Maverickx2 Disagrees with: Trackd00r but takes it back. Sufficiency, OtoshimonUx3, Friedchicken, Pablols Mafia Behaviors: Possibly keeping attention off himself by focusing on others, Especially OtoshimonoU. Town Behaviors: Against Random Lynch- presents a well thought out argument. Continues to detail out his reasoning. Consistent with the people he disagrees with and the people he suspects. Misc: Claims himself as one of the most active. True?
3.) Rainmaker5 + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Dissagrees with: Mafia Behaviors: Willing to sac a townie. Responds very late with little substancex2 Town Behaviors: Misc: Wants to move onto a new topic since random lynch has been discussed to death. 4.) Pablols – + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Disagrees with: Trakd00r-> takes it back(after being exonerated by him), lightly disagrees with Maverick, Mementossx4 Mafia Behaviors: Brings it back to the RL, despite everyone moving on from it. Rambles on a bit at this point. Town Behaviors: Decently argues for a move to lynch in looking at the long term perspective, willing to take a risk. Puts a lot of effort into pointing out that Mementoss if taking his words out of context. Wants to lynch for a purpose. Misc: Randomly accuses Mementoss seemingly because he is upset that he was accussed. A bit overaction. 5.) Tiystus – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Disagrees with: Mementoss Mafia Behaviors: Indecisive. Encouraging risky/chaotic behaviors.Still contradictory statements. Says Dim is town, but then also accuses him of possibly being mafia. Brings back the RL discussion (though he has been mia for awhile) Town Behaviors: Would rather go with a hunch than a RL, but feels a lynch is necessary or town will lose. Misc: all for random lynch- posts that he’s reluctant. Sticks with reluctance, but again is on the “we need to do something NOW train” Back tracks and now is saying RL is a last resort. Didn't answer numerous questions directed at him.
6.) DimmuKlok – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Trackd00r, Mementoss Disagress with Mafia Behaviors: First post indicates a strong desire to try to push for a lynch. Town Behaviors: Still thinks we could lynch a lurker to ‘flush out mafia’, but doesn’t want to randomly do it. Recognizes that we are talking circles about Random lynching or not and wants to change topics. Misc:wants to lynch on day 1. But wants to see active posters and seems to want to decide on someone. Against random lynching though.
7.) Sufficiency –. + Show Spoiler + Mafia Behaviors: Wants to RL- pushes this hard. Accusses without any evidence or reasoning. Town Behaviors: Agrees with: Disagrees with: Gunman, OtoshimonU
8.) friedchicken – + Show Spoiler + Mafia Behaviors: poor logic, wants to lynch no matter what. Flips kind of. Would be willing to lynch a lurker, not necessarily random. There could be only town that are lurking however, so this could be a setup. Town Behaviors:
9.) Maverick32x 10.) trackd00r – + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Pablols Disagrees with: Sufficiency- then flips to say he is town. OtoshimonUx2 Mafia Behaviors: Seems eager in the initial post to try to get people to accuse others right away. Uses past game as evidence of his ability to hunt down mafia to try to set up innocence. Brings up that the activity is too low, but hasn’t posted much. Town Behaviors: Initial post is encouraging and pro-town. Continues this trend, wants to hear people talk. Doesn’t want to RL Misc:Seems positive about staying active. Focuses on wording as his evidence. 11.) OtoshimonoU- + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Disagrees with: Trakd00r and Dim Mafia Behaviors: Wishy-washy. Willing to along with everyone, seems to be trying to lie low. Town Behaviors: Recognizes the disadvantages of a first day lynch and feels its too hasty. Misc: Against first day lynching since town is at disadvantage- but will go along if everyone else will do it. Defends Trak’s usage of “accusing” and seems to support him. 12.) Beorn1 + Show Spoiler +Mafia Behaviors: Longest Lurker by far. First post has 0 content. Town Behaviors: 4) Your big "summary post". Great way to sound pro-town while being useless. You're just lumping absolutely everything that happened during the day into one big post. Not only is it a horrible way to pass a point across, but it can end up misleading as to what is truly important. The only situation in which this could be useful is when coming from a confirmed PR, and even then it wouldn't be a summary of what happened during the day and who agreed/disaggred with whom, it would have to be more succint. If you're really town, please don't do it like this again.
Not enough evidence here to outright call you scum, but I'm wary of you.
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Wow, nice find mementoss.
Gunman, now tell us why you want to lynch oto. You haven't given a reason why yet.
@ mementoss: My vote for oto, believe it or not, isn't that early. I've waited 3 times for him to come up with a reasonable answer to my accusations and he didn't. I think that's pretty enough time to wait before casting a vote. Plus in other games, voting in the first 8-10 hours of the first day is not uncommon. Maybe yes, some of them are for just purely pressure goals, but you don't imagine what kind of wonders (scum slip ups) can happen when pressure is up to any player, no matter if it is a townie or mafia.
Aside of that, casting votes too late often lead to a mis or no lynch.
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On March 03 2012 09:05 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 08:56 gunman103 wrote:On March 03 2012 08:35 Mementoss wrote:Gunman, did you honestly think this would go un-noticed? On March 03 2012 08:03 gunman103 wrote: ##Vote: Tiystus I thought I would go eat and give you time to give some time to give reasoning in the thread. Its been a half hour. You'd think you would post reasoning before running straight to the vote thread. You do realize voting without trying to at least convince your case/state your opinions in the thread is very suspicious play? The below is hardly reasoning. On March 02 2012 11:54 gunman103 wrote: #1 Tiystus- He was fine with randomly killing someone early on but then changes his mind later. Seems like one of his scum friends told him what to say. He also never seems to make a decision on anything. . This vote seems very selfish, and mafia motivated. Give some more reasoning behind this choice and why is this vote a better vote than OtoshmonoU? Why didn't you like the OtoshmonoU evidence that was given by a couple different people in this thread. It seems like you wanted vote without bringing attention to yourself, and to split the town into a no-lynch situation. On March 01 2012 14:11 gunman103 wrote: DimmuKlok is right. If we have to do a lynch without a strong case, lynching a lurker would be more effective than a RL seeing as how most mafia are lurkers. Also, lets wait before we decide to lynch someone because we don't need to worry about it right now. You even said it yourself, if your going to lynch you need a strong case. What is your strong case in this situation? Later in the above quote you said lynching a lurker would be better than lynching without a strong case, however your reasoning behind voting tiystus didn't mention anything about you thinking him, because he was a lurker. And if you were to vote for a lurker, wouldn't Beorn be a better case as he has the least amount of posts, and has given no kind of read yet? Your move gunman. Alright, I'll change my vote. I suppose I didn't really get a good enough read on oto and focused to much on lurkers. Now that I look at his posts, he does look suspicious. I suppose I thought that lynching a lurker would be better than killing a potential town because lynching a lurker wouldn't actually hurt us all that much because they don't add anything to the discussion, where as if we he turns out to be town, we wouldn't get his input. Im not trying to post this in an aggressive way, although it sounds that way. You don't have to change your vote im just saying it seems suspicious and you should back up your actions, while or before you take them. I guess I should stick to my guns more. But you did bring up a good point and I did contradict myself now that I look back on it. And thanks for bringing oto to my attention. I guess I just got sloppy and let him slip by without getting a decent read on him.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 03 2012 09:08 Sbrubbles wrote:Sorry guys, its a bit overwhelming trying to take in 7/8 pages of discussion, especially considering how many filler/opinion summaries there are. Frankly I think opinion "summaries" are worthless (especially from non-confirmed PRs on day 1). Accusing someone for not wanting NL/normal lynch/RL/whatever is also worthless, because all of those have merits (and statistics, which we don't have, will eventually tell us which is best) . Anyway, for the current discussion: I don't see what Otoshi has done enough to warrant so much suspicion. 1) He first said he wanted no lynch then said would agree with a random lynch. Flip-flopping, but not a major case. 2) He comments on track's bold first post and sends a few one-liners. Suspicious? Sure. Derailing the discussion? It may have been filler, but not annoying, distracting filler, so no. 3) His tell on his 4th post. OK, I will admit this looks pretty damn suspicious, but idk, may just have been phrasing. If anything, this shows that Trackdoor is really on the ball (so far as the first day goes, he's the only one here who looks slightly trustworthy). 4) The rest of his posts he defends himself from Mementos. He doesn't put much effort into his posts, and doesn't post much. This is scumtelling, but I'm not convinced its enough. I'm sticking with a ##Vote: No Lynch. There's already 6 votes on him and I'm not convinced enough to hammer. Now, for my actual suspect here: Maverick + Show Spoiler +On March 01 2012 14:42 Maverick32x wrote: So.. believe it or not guys.. Tiystus, Friedchicken and Sufficiency… 3 support randomly lynching…. And there are 3 mafia…. I’d like to hear more out of you guys- but the bandwagoning behind this idea is highly suspicious….
1) Slightly confusing graph (as I pointed out last post) and willing to accuse people at once just because they had an argument pro-RL (sure, Tiystus and Sufficiency were pointing fingers as well, but your enphasis was on the pro-RL). In the first day we're here to try to point out mistakes and inconsistencies, and the mafia is (probably) not stupid enough to show themselves together so easily. Your willingness to accuse 3 at once and act like you've solved the case is suspicious. + Show Spoiler +On March 01 2012 14:42 Maverick32x wrote: Trackd00r- Thank you. I agree. We need activity if we’re going to lynch successfully. What I’m most worried about is that the mafia are eyeing inactive townies and plan on trying to swing us in that direction….
2) The whole point of lynching lurkers is that they are usually scum, not usually town. There's a good chance there are 2 mafia guys going along with the discussion, but that a third one is hanging back to not endanger himself of later days. If we have to choose between two lurkers, it is up to us (town) to not be dissuaded by someone (or two) who knows which lurker is mafia and which one is town. Still, lynching lurkers is a good strategy, having no better suspect. 3) Nervous of sounding "bloodthirsty". You're not even close to the accusation center and you apologise in 3 different posts? + Show Spoiler +On March 02 2012 10:36 Maverick32x wrote:Okay guys. This is ALL of my reads over the past day. Let me know what you think. If any is inaccurate let me know, but I broke it down into looking at each player's tendency to agree/disagree with someone else to see if there are any patterns of "allegiance" that I can spot. I also looked at behaviors that can be interpreted as either Mafia or Town. I obviously couldn't hit on everything, but these were the things that jumped out at me.. feel free to agree/disagree all you'd like. Lastly, I put in some miscellaneous information that I just thought was interesting or factual about a stance that the person had. I obviously didn't write stuff about myself, but if you'd like to create one for me, go ahead. 1.) gunman103 – + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Dimx2 Disagrees with: Sufficiency. Mafia Behaviors: A kind of wishy-washy with his policy. Starts to fall to RL as a last resort if necessary. Though previously stated he wants to lynch for info, he now is considering a RL, but would prefer a ‘lurker’. Town Behaviors: Doesn’t want to lynch unless there is information to be gained. Repeats this information. Reinforces this idea a third time Misc: Against random lynching. Should only lynch for info. . 2.) Mementoss – + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Maverickx2 Disagrees with: Trackd00r but takes it back. Sufficiency, OtoshimonUx3, Friedchicken, Pablols Mafia Behaviors: Possibly keeping attention off himself by focusing on others, Especially OtoshimonoU. Town Behaviors: Against Random Lynch- presents a well thought out argument. Continues to detail out his reasoning. Consistent with the people he disagrees with and the people he suspects. Misc: Claims himself as one of the most active. True?
3.) Rainmaker5 + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Dissagrees with: Mafia Behaviors: Willing to sac a townie. Responds very late with little substancex2 Town Behaviors: Misc: Wants to move onto a new topic since random lynch has been discussed to death. 4.) Pablols – + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Disagrees with: Trakd00r-> takes it back(after being exonerated by him), lightly disagrees with Maverick, Mementossx4 Mafia Behaviors: Brings it back to the RL, despite everyone moving on from it. Rambles on a bit at this point. Town Behaviors: Decently argues for a move to lynch in looking at the long term perspective, willing to take a risk. Puts a lot of effort into pointing out that Mementoss if taking his words out of context. Wants to lynch for a purpose. Misc: Randomly accuses Mementoss seemingly because he is upset that he was accussed. A bit overaction. 5.) Tiystus – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Disagrees with: Mementoss Mafia Behaviors: Indecisive. Encouraging risky/chaotic behaviors.Still contradictory statements. Says Dim is town, but then also accuses him of possibly being mafia. Brings back the RL discussion (though he has been mia for awhile) Town Behaviors: Would rather go with a hunch than a RL, but feels a lynch is necessary or town will lose. Misc: all for random lynch- posts that he’s reluctant. Sticks with reluctance, but again is on the “we need to do something NOW train” Back tracks and now is saying RL is a last resort. Didn't answer numerous questions directed at him.
6.) DimmuKlok – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Trackd00r, Mementoss Disagress with Mafia Behaviors: First post indicates a strong desire to try to push for a lynch. Town Behaviors: Still thinks we could lynch a lurker to ‘flush out mafia’, but doesn’t want to randomly do it. Recognizes that we are talking circles about Random lynching or not and wants to change topics. Misc:wants to lynch on day 1. But wants to see active posters and seems to want to decide on someone. Against random lynching though.
7.) Sufficiency –. + Show Spoiler + Mafia Behaviors: Wants to RL- pushes this hard. Accusses without any evidence or reasoning. Town Behaviors: Agrees with: Disagrees with: Gunman, OtoshimonU
8.) friedchicken – + Show Spoiler + Mafia Behaviors: poor logic, wants to lynch no matter what. Flips kind of. Would be willing to lynch a lurker, not necessarily random. There could be only town that are lurking however, so this could be a setup. Town Behaviors:
9.) Maverick32x 10.) trackd00r – + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Pablols Disagrees with: Sufficiency- then flips to say he is town. OtoshimonUx2 Mafia Behaviors: Seems eager in the initial post to try to get people to accuse others right away. Uses past game as evidence of his ability to hunt down mafia to try to set up innocence. Brings up that the activity is too low, but hasn’t posted much. Town Behaviors: Initial post is encouraging and pro-town. Continues this trend, wants to hear people talk. Doesn’t want to RL Misc:Seems positive about staying active. Focuses on wording as his evidence. 11.) OtoshimonoU- + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Disagrees with: Trakd00r and Dim Mafia Behaviors: Wishy-washy. Willing to along with everyone, seems to be trying to lie low. Town Behaviors: Recognizes the disadvantages of a first day lynch and feels its too hasty. Misc: Against first day lynching since town is at disadvantage- but will go along if everyone else will do it. Defends Trak’s usage of “accusing” and seems to support him. 12.) Beorn1 + Show Spoiler +Mafia Behaviors: Longest Lurker by far. First post has 0 content. Town Behaviors: 4) Your big "summary post". Great way to sound pro-town while being useless. You're just lumping absolutely everything that happened during the day into one big post. Not only is it a horrible way to pass a point across, but it can end up misleading as to what is truly important. The only situation in which this could be useful is when coming from a confirmed PR, and even then it wouldn't be a summary of what happened during the day and who agreed/disaggred with whom, it would have to be more succint. If you're really town, please don't do it like this again. Not enough evidence here to outright call you scum, but I'm wary of you.
First, im glad to see such an informed post, it seems as if you were here the whole time.
Second, Im happy you to read into the current suspect for yourself, OtoshmonoU and not just vote because its happening. But I have one question regarding this nolynch, can you provide your reasoning why a no lynch would be better than being 100% on OtoshmonoU and getting some information out of it? Even if you don't nessecarily think he is scum, you seem to see why other people do, and I think a no lynch is a fairly weak first day. What is your opinion on this and how can it benefit the town rather than the lynch at hand?
Third, I appreciate the read on maverick, as it is the first read on him other than the mementoss/maverick mafia team conspiracy. Though I am not convinced he is scum, and that all this behaviour is scummy, it is definitily worth looking at and thinking about.
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On March 03 2012 09:19 Mementoss wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 03 2012 09:08 Sbrubbles wrote:Sorry guys, its a bit overwhelming trying to take in 7/8 pages of discussion, especially considering how many filler/opinion summaries there are. Frankly I think opinion "summaries" are worthless (especially from non-confirmed PRs on day 1). Accusing someone for not wanting NL/normal lynch/RL/whatever is also worthless, because all of those have merits (and statistics, which we don't have, will eventually tell us which is best) . Anyway, for the current discussion: I don't see what Otoshi has done enough to warrant so much suspicion. 1) He first said he wanted no lynch then said would agree with a random lynch. Flip-flopping, but not a major case. 2) He comments on track's bold first post and sends a few one-liners. Suspicious? Sure. Derailing the discussion? It may have been filler, but not annoying, distracting filler, so no. 3) His tell on his 4th post. OK, I will admit this looks pretty damn suspicious, but idk, may just have been phrasing. If anything, this shows that Trackdoor is really on the ball (so far as the first day goes, he's the only one here who looks slightly trustworthy). 4) The rest of his posts he defends himself from Mementos. He doesn't put much effort into his posts, and doesn't post much. This is scumtelling, but I'm not convinced its enough. I'm sticking with a ##Vote: No Lynch. There's already 6 votes on him and I'm not convinced enough to hammer. Now, for my actual suspect here: Maverick + Show Spoiler +On March 01 2012 14:42 Maverick32x wrote: So.. believe it or not guys.. Tiystus, Friedchicken and Sufficiency… 3 support randomly lynching…. And there are 3 mafia…. I’d like to hear more out of you guys- but the bandwagoning behind this idea is highly suspicious….
1) Slightly confusing graph (as I pointed out last post) and willing to accuse people at once just because they had an argument pro-RL (sure, Tiystus and Sufficiency were pointing fingers as well, but your enphasis was on the pro-RL). In the first day we're here to try to point out mistakes and inconsistencies, and the mafia is (probably) not stupid enough to show themselves together so easily. Your willingness to accuse 3 at once and act like you've solved the case is suspicious. + Show Spoiler +On March 01 2012 14:42 Maverick32x wrote: Trackd00r- Thank you. I agree. We need activity if we’re going to lynch successfully. What I’m most worried about is that the mafia are eyeing inactive townies and plan on trying to swing us in that direction….
2) The whole point of lynching lurkers is that they are usually scum, not usually town. There's a good chance there are 2 mafia guys going along with the discussion, but that a third one is hanging back to not endanger himself of later days. If we have to choose between two lurkers, it is up to us (town) to not be dissuaded by someone (or two) who knows which lurker is mafia and which one is town. Still, lynching lurkers is a good strategy, having no better suspect. 3) Nervous of sounding "bloodthirsty". You're not even close to the accusation center and you apologise in 3 different posts? + Show Spoiler +On March 02 2012 10:36 Maverick32x wrote:Okay guys. This is ALL of my reads over the past day. Let me know what you think. If any is inaccurate let me know, but I broke it down into looking at each player's tendency to agree/disagree with someone else to see if there are any patterns of "allegiance" that I can spot. I also looked at behaviors that can be interpreted as either Mafia or Town. I obviously couldn't hit on everything, but these were the things that jumped out at me.. feel free to agree/disagree all you'd like. Lastly, I put in some miscellaneous information that I just thought was interesting or factual about a stance that the person had. I obviously didn't write stuff about myself, but if you'd like to create one for me, go ahead. 1.) gunman103 – + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Dimx2 Disagrees with: Sufficiency. Mafia Behaviors: A kind of wishy-washy with his policy. Starts to fall to RL as a last resort if necessary. Though previously stated he wants to lynch for info, he now is considering a RL, but would prefer a ‘lurker’. Town Behaviors: Doesn’t want to lynch unless there is information to be gained. Repeats this information. Reinforces this idea a third time Misc: Against random lynching. Should only lynch for info. . 2.) Mementoss – + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Maverickx2 Disagrees with: Trackd00r but takes it back. Sufficiency, OtoshimonUx3, Friedchicken, Pablols Mafia Behaviors: Possibly keeping attention off himself by focusing on others, Especially OtoshimonoU. Town Behaviors: Against Random Lynch- presents a well thought out argument. Continues to detail out his reasoning. Consistent with the people he disagrees with and the people he suspects. Misc: Claims himself as one of the most active. True?
3.) Rainmaker5 + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Dissagrees with: Mafia Behaviors: Willing to sac a townie. Responds very late with little substancex2 Town Behaviors: Misc: Wants to move onto a new topic since random lynch has been discussed to death. 4.) Pablols – + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Disagrees with: Trakd00r-> takes it back(after being exonerated by him), lightly disagrees with Maverick, Mementossx4 Mafia Behaviors: Brings it back to the RL, despite everyone moving on from it. Rambles on a bit at this point. Town Behaviors: Decently argues for a move to lynch in looking at the long term perspective, willing to take a risk. Puts a lot of effort into pointing out that Mementoss if taking his words out of context. Wants to lynch for a purpose. Misc: Randomly accuses Mementoss seemingly because he is upset that he was accussed. A bit overaction. 5.) Tiystus – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Disagrees with: Mementoss Mafia Behaviors: Indecisive. Encouraging risky/chaotic behaviors.Still contradictory statements. Says Dim is town, but then also accuses him of possibly being mafia. Brings back the RL discussion (though he has been mia for awhile) Town Behaviors: Would rather go with a hunch than a RL, but feels a lynch is necessary or town will lose. Misc: all for random lynch- posts that he’s reluctant. Sticks with reluctance, but again is on the “we need to do something NOW train” Back tracks and now is saying RL is a last resort. Didn't answer numerous questions directed at him.
6.) DimmuKlok – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Trackd00r, Mementoss Disagress with Mafia Behaviors: First post indicates a strong desire to try to push for a lynch. Town Behaviors: Still thinks we could lynch a lurker to ‘flush out mafia’, but doesn’t want to randomly do it. Recognizes that we are talking circles about Random lynching or not and wants to change topics. Misc:wants to lynch on day 1. But wants to see active posters and seems to want to decide on someone. Against random lynching though.
7.) Sufficiency –. + Show Spoiler + Mafia Behaviors: Wants to RL- pushes this hard. Accusses without any evidence or reasoning. Town Behaviors: Agrees with: Disagrees with: Gunman, OtoshimonU
8.) friedchicken – + Show Spoiler + Mafia Behaviors: poor logic, wants to lynch no matter what. Flips kind of. Would be willing to lynch a lurker, not necessarily random. There could be only town that are lurking however, so this could be a setup. Town Behaviors:
9.) Maverick32x 10.) trackd00r – + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Pablols Disagrees with: Sufficiency- then flips to say he is town. OtoshimonUx2 Mafia Behaviors: Seems eager in the initial post to try to get people to accuse others right away. Uses past game as evidence of his ability to hunt down mafia to try to set up innocence. Brings up that the activity is too low, but hasn’t posted much. Town Behaviors: Initial post is encouraging and pro-town. Continues this trend, wants to hear people talk. Doesn’t want to RL Misc:Seems positive about staying active. Focuses on wording as his evidence. 11.) OtoshimonoU- + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Disagrees with: Trakd00r and Dim Mafia Behaviors: Wishy-washy. Willing to along with everyone, seems to be trying to lie low. Town Behaviors: Recognizes the disadvantages of a first day lynch and feels its too hasty. Misc: Against first day lynching since town is at disadvantage- but will go along if everyone else will do it. Defends Trak’s usage of “accusing” and seems to support him. 12.) Beorn1 + Show Spoiler +Mafia Behaviors: Longest Lurker by far. First post has 0 content. Town Behaviors: 4) Your big "summary post". Great way to sound pro-town while being useless. You're just lumping absolutely everything that happened during the day into one big post. Not only is it a horrible way to pass a point across, but it can end up misleading as to what is truly important. The only situation in which this could be useful is when coming from a confirmed PR, and even then it wouldn't be a summary of what happened during the day and who agreed/disaggred with whom, it would have to be more succint. If you're really town, please don't do it like this again. Not enough evidence here to outright call you scum, but I'm wary of you. First, im glad to see such an informed post, it seems as if you were here the whole time. Second, Im happy you to read into the current suspect for yourself, OtoshmonoU and not just vote because its happening. But I have one question regarding this nolynch, can you provide your reasoning why a no lynch would be better than being 100% on OtoshmonoU and getting some information out of it? Even if you don't nessecarily think he is scum, you seem to see why other people do, and I think a no lynch is a fairly weak first day. What is your opinion on this and how can it benefit the town rather than the lynch at hand? Third, I appreciate the read on maverick, as it is the first read on him other than the mementoss/maverick mafia team conspiracy. Though I am not convinced he is scum, and that all this behaviour is scummy, it is definitily worth looking at and thinking about.
The only information we'll gain from Otosh is if he's town or not. Also (and more importantly), if he turns out to be town, what then? Do we accuse you for starting the finger pointing at him? Do we accuse the people who went in with you? What about everyone else who joined the bandwagon?
No, it would be dismissed as a mistake given that it was his own damn fault for being lynched. So, nothing gained aside from knowing he's town or not. One big bandwagon and an easy target. Tomorrow, though, we might have a cop report and possible a vigilante shooting.
I'll be rereading what led up to his accusations, see if anyone sticks out.
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On March 03 2012 09:10 trackd00r wrote: Wow, nice find mementoss.
Gunman, now tell us why you want to lynch oto. You haven't given a reason why yet.
The main reason I am voting for him is because of what he said in this post + Show Spoiler +Just a small opinion, Mr.Maverick and Mementoss are controlling the game and thoughts of the game in the Town's perspective. It's possible that they are using an aggressive method of mafia using long persuasive paragraphs . I read Maverick's post and feel he has absolute trust and certainty in Mementoss's accusations and posts. Maybe they just have a connection and my theory is wrong. It's true that they do have a connection and it does to me, seem very strong even if they might be just fellow towns that understand each other's logic. I don't feel the suspicion from neither lurkers nor the accused, they are just new and will not be able to write long constructive ideas without a single clue of evidence nor understanding the underlying message of people's posts. So what I see Mementoss has been giving pressure and Maverick is the back up. As scums they have nothing to gain by saying nothing and not gaining the control of the situation whenever. Those two have most likely the highest amount of posts that will swerve opinions over people. Also Maverick, you need to write something about your own behaviors in your own organization sheet or you just seem to avoid any fault in your own posts. "Mr.Maverick and Mementoss are controlling the game and thoughts of the game in the Town's perspective. It's possible that they are using an aggressive method of mafia using long persuasive paragraphs"
It seems to me like he was trying to turn the town against the ones who were directing and keeping the town on track at the time. It seemed like he was trying to destabilize the whole town by getting rid of Maverick and Mementoss, allowing the mafia to just lurk as we fought among ourselves.
"I don't feel the suspicion from neither lurkers nor the accused, they are just new and will not be able to write long constructive ideas without a single clue of evidence nor understanding the underlying message of people's posts."
It seems as though he is defending his mafia friends using the argument that they are new and will naturally stay quiet, a weak argument imo. Even if he is town, I don't follow his logic because lurkers are almost always bad and usually shouldn't be tolerated because they add nothing to the game.
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I gotta go for the night unfortunately as a lot of interesting action has come up, will read new posts and re-read tommorrow and post with a reply.
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kitaman27
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One hour remains in the day. Several players have yet to vote
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Um, this isn't good at all. There are 5 players that haven't voted yet and it's almost lynch time S:
Sburbbles, I'm glad you posted. Well, I agree with your read on maverick at some degree Specially when you pointed out the lists. These lists aren't really helpful. They are just an excuse to generate content most of the time.
Regarding oto, I think that the lynch is pretty much on him right now. I hardly see that we are able to take a organized decision at this rate. My vote on him is not only because he didn't take a time to read or he ignored the accusations. It is to see how everyone else see this move as well. I can't make conclusions yet because there are people who haven't posted/voted by this time (cheez, it's freaking 30 mins before the deadline)
I might go for a no lynch now. But the only justification for this action to happen is the enormous lack of activity around the thread. If it wasn't for that, there would be no way I'd support a NL.
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I'm actually back for a quick moment and I think the game might essentially be ruined through modkills >__> we will see though.
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If a lot of people (in this case, 5) don't vote, what happens (given that voting is mandatory)?
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