English Proleague Commentary! - Page 28

Sayle

United Kingdom3685 Posts

February 23 2012 14:46 GMT

#541

Guys, expect some delays on the VODs from SKT vs Stars. As those who stuck around after the rebroadcast will know, I suffered a power outage (literally) at my apartment towards the end of the stream, so it looks like the metadata in the recording got messed up. This means I can't split the VOD using my normal method, so I think I might have to do it from the recording on twitch. Thanks for your patience.

dudecrush

Canada418 Posts

February 26 2012 06:54 GMT

#542

This thread deserves better than the second page.

I love your casting Sayle! Also love all the dual casts. Still working my way through Round 2. So much glorious broodwar!

johanes

Czech Republic2227 Posts

February 26 2012 08:35 GMT

#543

Sayle, so beautiful!

ChriS-X

Malaysia1374 Posts

February 26 2012 10:15 GMT

#544

hopefully the vods for yesterday's rebroadcast comes up soon :3

Stratos

Czech Republic6104 Posts

February 26 2012 10:54 GMT

#545

On February 26 2012 19:15 ChriS-X wrote:
hopefully the vods for yesterday's rebroadcast comes up soon :3

You can always watch the broadcasts @ twich.tv - http://www.twitch.tv/saylesc/b/309727783 ([SPL] Feb 25 Rebroadcast)
I usually do that instead of waiting for the uploads.

ChriS-X

Malaysia1374 Posts

February 26 2012 11:39 GMT

#546

On February 26 2012 19:54 Stratos wrote:

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You can always watch the broadcasts @ twich.tv - http://www.twitch.tv/saylesc/b/309727783 ([SPL] Feb 25 Rebroadcast)
I usually do that instead of waiting for the uploads.

does it start from the beginning?

Stratos

Czech Republic6104 Posts

February 26 2012 13:04 GMT

#547

On February 26 2012 20:39 ChriS-X wrote:

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does it start from the beginning?

Yes, there's even some laddering before that, the broadcast itself starts at around the 36th minute.

Piste

6162 Posts

February 26 2012 15:20 GMT

#548

On February 26 2012 19:54 Stratos wrote:

Show nested quote +

You can always watch the broadcasts @ twich.tv - http://www.twitch.tv/saylesc/b/309727783 ([SPL] Feb 25 Rebroadcast)
I usually do that instead of waiting for the uploads.

I can't watch twitch.tv with my shitty mobile phone. I can only watch youtube vids :/

Sayle

United Kingdom3685 Posts

February 27 2012 11:28 GMT

#549

2011-2012 SK Planet Proleague Round 3

25 February 2012

Team 8 vs CJ Entus

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+ Show Spoiler [Game 1] +

Poll: Recommend Set 1?

Yes (62)

89%

If you have nothing better to do (6)

9%

No (2)

3%

70 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Set 1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have nothing better to do

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Poll: Recommend Set 2?

No (62)

91%

Yes (5)

7%

If you have nothing better to do (1)

1%

68 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Set 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have nothing better to do

+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +

Poll: Recommend Set 3?

Yes (31)

69%

If you have nothing better to do (12)

27%

No (2)

4%

45 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Set 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have nothing better to do

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Poll: Recommend Set 4?

Yes (40)

77%

No (7)

13%

If you have nothing better to do (5)

10%

52 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Set 4?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have nothing better to do

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Poll: Recommend Final Set?

Yes (25)

61%

No (8)

20%

If you have nothing better to do (8)

20%

41 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Final Set?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have nothing better to do

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Killer vs

Snow
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Sea vs

Hydra
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+ Show Spoiler [Set 3] +

Jaehoon vs

Movie
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Jaedong vs

Leta
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+ Show Spoiler [Set 5] +

Baby vs

EffOrt
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Woongjin Stars vs KT Rolster

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Poll: Recommend Game 1?

Yes (27)

73%

It was alright. (7)

19%

No (3)

8%

37 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Game 1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): It was alright.

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Poll: Recommend Game 2?

Yes (17)

52%

It was alright. (11)

33%

No (5)

15%

33 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Game 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): It was alright.

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Poll: Recommend Game 3?

Yes (122)

96%

No (4)

3%

It was alright. (1)

1%

127 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Game 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): It was alright.

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Poll: Recommend Game 4?

Yes (32)

70%

It was alright. (13)

28%

No (1)

2%

46 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Game 4?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): It was alright.

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Poll: Recommend Game 5?

Yes (21)

60%

No (8)

23%

It was alright. (6)

17%

35 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Game 5?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): It was alright.

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Light vs

Wooki
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sHy vs

Crazy-Hydra
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Soulkey vs

Flash
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hon_sin vs

Barracks
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not needed

Sayle

United Kingdom3685 Posts

February 27 2012 12:28 GMT

#550

2011-2012 SK Planet Proleague Round 3

26 February 2012

Samsung Khan vs Airforce ACE

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+ Show Spoiler [Game 1] +

Poll: Recommend game 1?

Yes (11)

37%

No (10)

33%

If you have time (9)

30%

30 total votes

Your vote: Recommend game 1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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Poll: Recommend game 2?

Hell yes (93)

97%

No :( (2)

2%

If you have time (1)

1%

96 total votes

Your vote: Recommend game 2?

(Vote): Hell yes
(Vote): No :(
(Vote): If you have time

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Poll: Recommend game 3?

Yes (29)

81%

If you have time (4)

11%

No (3)

8%

36 total votes

Your vote: Recommend game 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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Poll: Recommend game 4?

No (24)

86%

If you have time (3)

11%

Yes (1)

4%

28 total votes

Your vote: Recommend game 4?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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Chavi vs

Jangbi
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Piano vs

RorO
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Kal vs

Grape
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+ Show Spoiler [Set 4] +

Great vs

Shine
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+ Show Spoiler [Set 5] +

not needed

STX Soul vs SKTelecom T1

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+ Show Spoiler [Game 1] +

Poll: Recommend Set 1?

Yes (115)

97%

No (3)

3%

If you have nothing better to do (0)

0%

118 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Set 1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have nothing better to do

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Poll: Recommend Set 2?

Yes (28)

60%

If you have nothing better to do (10)

21%

No (9)

19%

47 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Set 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have nothing better to do

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Poll: Recommend Set 3?

No (34)

85%

Yes (3)

8%

If you have nothing better to do (3)

8%

40 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Set 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have nothing better to do

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Poll: Recommend Set 4?

Yes (16)

44%

No (11)

31%

If you have nothing better to do (9)

25%

36 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Set 4?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have nothing better to do

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Poll: Recommend Final Set?

No (15)

41%

If you have nothing better to do (12)

32%

Yes (10)

27%

37 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Final Set?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have nothing better to do

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BoguS vs

Sacsri
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Calm vs

Fantasy
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Dear vs

BeSt
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not needed

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not needed

CakeOrI)eath

United States327 Posts

February 28 2012 16:04 GMT

#551

Thank you so much Sayle! Great casts, it makes watching proleague so much more entertaining.

But I have noticed that on several casts you have been confused at scouting patterns in TvP. Scouting the close positions first is entirely to stop 12 Nex builds. Cross positions are too far away to bunker rush and if you scout the other close position last, its too late to bunker rush. So this way, 12Nex only works 1/3 of the time (cross positions) instead of 2/3 of the time. I believe Flash was the first one to start doing this, 1 or 2 seasons ago.

Sayle

United Kingdom3685 Posts

February 28 2012 17:01 GMT

#552

On February 29 2012 01:04 CakeOrI)eath wrote:
Scouting the close positions first is entirely to stop 12 Nex builds. Cross positions are too far away to bunker rush and if you scout the other close position last, its too late to bunker rush. So this way, 12Nex only works 1/3 of the time (cross positions) instead of 2/3 of the time. I believe Flash was the first one to start doing this, 1 or 2 seasons ago.

That doesn't make much sense to me. If you scout a close position first then scout cross map and see a 12nex, your bunker rush would arrive at exactly the same time as if you had scouted normally and saw him in cross positions. In the first case, you have the time it takes for the scv to scout a close position (1x short), the time it takes for it to go cross map (1x long), and the time it takes for you to bunker rush him in close positions (1x short). In the second case, you have the time it takes for your scv to scout a close position (1x short), the time it takes for the scv to continue to the cross map position (1x short), and the time it takes you to bunker rush cross map (1x long). Both times are 2x short + 1x long so your initial rush of scvs and 2-3 marines arrives exactly the same time in both cases. The only difference is that the reinforcement route is slightly longer, but this will only affect your 3rd/4th marine and to a lesser extent your vulture (since vultures are pretty quick even without an upgrade, I'm pretty sure the difference in positions only delays your vulture by like 5-6 secs max). It's possible that these few seconds are what makes the difference, but I feel like the difference is marginal. If you're really concerned about 12nex (on Jade for example), I think you'd just do a double scout to close positions as we've seen a couple of times already.

Edit: I suppose another benefit of doing the close then cross map scout is that you can see proxy gates as well, but I think by that time the first zealot would be (almost) at your base already.

pbjsandwich

United States443 Posts

February 28 2012 17:23 GMT

#553

sayle you're the best

hai2u

688 Posts

February 28 2012 18:36 GMT

#554

thanks so much for this Sayle. PL starts at 6am here so can never catch it, ur commentary is great too

ROFLOLLER

Poland65 Posts

February 28 2012 20:10 GMT

#555

Thank You Sayle.

mjf

United States436 Posts

February 28 2012 21:50 GMT

#556

thank you so much for this

_Quasar_

Russian Federation4405 Posts

February 28 2012 22:21 GMT

#557

Hi Sayle! Thank you very much for it! Watching this now again, set 5 is so interesting to watch, because it was a very cool game indeed, and nice to see a professional commentary on it (I mean a professional commentary that I can understand :D ).