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On January 19 2012 02:09 jaj22 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 01:43 Toadesstern wrote:another important thing would be a blue being modkilled in your list I guess  Modkills are less important than any other kill. We're not modhunting here. Your post here concerns me because it smells of "I'm so town that I still weep for our stupid dead mason". Besides, haven't you ever caught up on a game? Unless you're just reading for fun, the first thing you read is the player roster.
oh and no. I never replaced someone but yeah I guess what you say is right.
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BM, could you do me a solid and explain your suspicion of Protact? Pretend I haven't been here all game and quote evidence you reference in your reasoning please.
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On January 19 2012 02:35 L wrote:
It should be pretty obvious to anyone who looks at the final stretch of voting that mafia wanted BM in office, but weren't worried by a slow vote bus for BC to close out the night, which implies that out of the three candidates, at least two were mafia. In the last 2 minutes of voting, A Proact mayor/BM Jailor result turned into a BC Mayor/Proact Jailor result and then switched to a BC mayor/BM result.
What about the theory that mafia were happy for BC to get elected regardless of alignment because he was going to lynch Palmar or Protactinium?
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Hmm, the way I see it, BM or BC is scum.
Scum don't usually like to take risks. If they already had a strong candidate on the line, why risk another?
If it came down to denying one scum role.
The mayor chooses a lynch and gets three votes, it's easy enough to make sure the mayor mislynches, and mason the mayor and attempt to sway him on later days. The sheriff's power however, could block KP and save townies.
Sheriff seems like the obvious choice.
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Whatever, everyone seems to be discounting the idea that Protact is scum - why is that? Huh? He certainly makes more sense as the scum candidate than BM does, as far as I'm concerned.
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On January 19 2012 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever, everyone seems to be discounting the idea that Protact is scum - why is that? Huh? He certainly makes more sense as the scum candidate than BM does, as far as I'm concerned.
my problem with protact right now is that I believe BC to be town because of the most recent lynch. Since all mayor candidates where so close it should have been easy to get a mafia into office => I think BM makes no sense and because of what I just said is mafia.
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On January 19 2012 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever, everyone seems to be discounting the idea that Protact is scum - why is that? Huh? He certainly makes more sense as the scum candidate than BM does, as far as I'm concerned.
Looking at the list of players who voted (election) for Protact, all I can say is that if he's a scum candidate, scum weren't actually trying to elect him. I suppose that's marginally possible...
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Well, I'd recommend we choose several candidates keeping it to 7-8 (double 3-4 because of the double lynch) and lynch two from there.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 17 2012 13:28 Foolishness wrote:READ CAREFULLY! DON'T LOSE THIS POST! REPOST MANY TIMESI am making this post as a way of compiling the thoughts of the few people in this game who are making sense and posting good analysis. A lot of it will be my own thoughts, but it's heavily based on a few people (should be obvious) who are the most transparent and the most obvious townies. 9 Mafia remaining. Here's the preliminary suspects: Macpo, GGQ, L. These are the people I feel we have the best case for and most of the transparent people in the thread seem to agree about these 3. Personally I think GGQ is town and we should avoid lynching him for now. Protact already gave viable reasons why Macpo is better than GGQ today, and I feel there is little to argue there. sandroba pointed out how L is acting like in Ver's game, and I couldn't agree more. We also have Incog's analysis against L. Secondary suspects: Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees. These 3 people have garnered attention from a few people but not from everyone, so they are listed as secondary candidates. I am of the belief that all 3 of these people are mafia. evantrees is already mentioned by Incog. I think Cyber_Cheese highlighted a good summary of chaosquo here. Most of it is similar arguments to Macpo. Bill Murray as red? I think so. Others have cast suspicion but there's not been a full analysis anywhere. A few people have commented that the election "feels" weird in some way, and I definitely sympathize. The votes for Bill Murray come across as the most suspicious: lots of random votes there. Personally I was surprised he even got into office (remember I was out all day so I saw the results without reading the previous 20 pages). I do realize I may have initially pushed him into candidacy, but I shall take responsibility for that and see to it that he's lynched in the near future. But to be simple: Bill Murray posted a lot, and got into office. Since then he's been pretty passive at the helm (so has BC I realize). That's good enough reason to warrant a ton of suspicion, as he should be actively scumhunting and posting without fear at this point. Remaining mafia candidates: Jackal, Opz, kingjames, zeks. Incog has an analysis against Jackal as we know. I am not on board with him being mafia yet. Traditionally when he is mafia he posts paragraphs, and not one-liners. However he warrants suspicion for having an apathetic attitude. Opz is someone who I believe Sheth was the first to cast doubt on, and I must say Sheth is definitely onto something. I know of the past Opz as a town player who is aggressive, not afraid to call people out on their bullshit. That's something we aren't seeing much of this game. He's posted a few of his own thoughts, but there is a clear lack of effort. Bored townie who is facepalming at having to read 100 pages? Possibly. Mafia hiding in the shadows? Fits better. kingjames is called out on by Incog, and there's further analysis by BC. His last sentence is the perfect sum to kingjames: "The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned." kingjames has yet to do anything to contradict this. zeks I felt strongly about yesterday, he made a bad post which is nothing like his normal outspoken attitude (though it's been a while since he's played I think). He has since asked for a replacement and hasn't posted, but should still be looked at in the future. Meapak_Ziphh is someone I would like to throw out there as a candidate (which shouldn't be a surprise from the few of my recent posts). What has Meapak done this game? Tried to get GGQ lynched, and unfortunately that's about all he's tried to do. There is a very aggressive push from him to kill this guy, which I find a little suspicious and slightly out of character.
Mafia: Macpo, GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh. Substitute a few off candidates and I think we've found our 9: Jackal, BrownBear, zeks, Munk-E, other random inactive player goes here. DONT LOSE THIS POST ITS SO IMPORTANT!Writing all that I think the usefulness of this post is immediately made clear. The most prominent townies and the ones doing the analysis are all right on most of their reads. It's just each person has found 2-3 mafia on their own, and most of the time they are all different. Pooling this information together I realize it's hard to call anyone and their analysis wrong, as when you analyze the big picture everything fits together. Anyone in their right mind would look at this game and think "wow this atmosphere is perfect for the mafia". Ver once told me that lots of times it's easier to find the mafia when the town atmosphere sucks because they will not be the ones causing chaos and disruption. Instead they will be sitting on the sidelines enjoying the show while the townies flail around. Look at all the names I've listed above. Everyone (yes everyone on that list) is guilty of apathy and does not have the interests of the town in mind. They are not thinking long term, or analyzing the big picture. They aren't playing the game, they are watching. MacpoMany others have said so, and though I may be biased, I still think it's best we lynch him today. I believe his case is still by far the strongest we have at the moment, especially since he has responded to his threats (with even more reason to kill him). At the time of writing GGQ has yet to say anything. We kill him (Macpo) today and spend the night figuring out who has the next best case. In the meantime, I'm going to be looking for connections between the above players to see if anyone can be ruled out or automatically included. IF YOU HAVE FINISHED READING AND YOU ARE A COMPETENT TOWN PLAYER PLEASE READ AGAINAlso, after sifting through this information, I feel we have a strong enough lead to start killing like there's no tomorrow. ##Vote: double lynch
I'd be happy including Toad and Schworz into this list and choosing two from it to lynch. Again the importance of what I'm saying here is lets keep it to these 8-9 and find a good reason for who we lynch.
GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh, Toad, Schworz (This is already 10, but I'd like to lynch from this pile of candidates if possible) I feel like adding 1-2 to the list is fine, but I'd like to see it stay small so we can get the best reads from these people and choose correctly on who to lynch.
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On January 19 2012 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever, everyone seems to be discounting the idea that Protact is scum - why is that? Huh? He certainly makes more sense as the scum candidate than BM does, as far as I'm concerned.
May I ask why you think it makes more sense?
On January 19 2012 03:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Well, I'd recommend we choose several candidates keeping it to 7-8 (double 3-4 because of the double lynch) and lynch two from there. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2012 13:28 Foolishness wrote:READ CAREFULLY! DON'T LOSE THIS POST! REPOST MANY TIMESI am making this post as a way of compiling the thoughts of the few people in this game who are making sense and posting good analysis. A lot of it will be my own thoughts, but it's heavily based on a few people (should be obvious) who are the most transparent and the most obvious townies. 9 Mafia remaining. Here's the preliminary suspects: Macpo, GGQ, L. These are the people I feel we have the best case for and most of the transparent people in the thread seem to agree about these 3. Personally I think GGQ is town and we should avoid lynching him for now. Protact already gave viable reasons why Macpo is better than GGQ today, and I feel there is little to argue there. sandroba pointed out how L is acting like in Ver's game, and I couldn't agree more. We also have Incog's analysis against L. Secondary suspects: Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees. These 3 people have garnered attention from a few people but not from everyone, so they are listed as secondary candidates. I am of the belief that all 3 of these people are mafia. evantrees is already mentioned by Incog. I think Cyber_Cheese highlighted a good summary of chaosquo here. Most of it is similar arguments to Macpo. Bill Murray as red? I think so. Others have cast suspicion but there's not been a full analysis anywhere. A few people have commented that the election "feels" weird in some way, and I definitely sympathize. The votes for Bill Murray come across as the most suspicious: lots of random votes there. Personally I was surprised he even got into office (remember I was out all day so I saw the results without reading the previous 20 pages). I do realize I may have initially pushed him into candidacy, but I shall take responsibility for that and see to it that he's lynched in the near future. But to be simple: Bill Murray posted a lot, and got into office. Since then he's been pretty passive at the helm (so has BC I realize). That's good enough reason to warrant a ton of suspicion, as he should be actively scumhunting and posting without fear at this point. Remaining mafia candidates: Jackal, Opz, kingjames, zeks. Incog has an analysis against Jackal as we know. I am not on board with him being mafia yet. Traditionally when he is mafia he posts paragraphs, and not one-liners. However he warrants suspicion for having an apathetic attitude. Opz is someone who I believe Sheth was the first to cast doubt on, and I must say Sheth is definitely onto something. I know of the past Opz as a town player who is aggressive, not afraid to call people out on their bullshit. That's something we aren't seeing much of this game. He's posted a few of his own thoughts, but there is a clear lack of effort. Bored townie who is facepalming at having to read 100 pages? Possibly. Mafia hiding in the shadows? Fits better. kingjames is called out on by Incog, and there's further analysis by BC. His last sentence is the perfect sum to kingjames: "The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned." kingjames has yet to do anything to contradict this. zeks I felt strongly about yesterday, he made a bad post which is nothing like his normal outspoken attitude (though it's been a while since he's played I think). He has since asked for a replacement and hasn't posted, but should still be looked at in the future. Meapak_Ziphh is someone I would like to throw out there as a candidate (which shouldn't be a surprise from the few of my recent posts). What has Meapak done this game? Tried to get GGQ lynched, and unfortunately that's about all he's tried to do. There is a very aggressive push from him to kill this guy, which I find a little suspicious and slightly out of character.
Mafia: Macpo, GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh. Substitute a few off candidates and I think we've found our 9: Jackal, BrownBear, zeks, Munk-E, other random inactive player goes here. DONT LOSE THIS POST ITS SO IMPORTANT!Writing all that I think the usefulness of this post is immediately made clear. The most prominent townies and the ones doing the analysis are all right on most of their reads. It's just each person has found 2-3 mafia on their own, and most of the time they are all different. Pooling this information together I realize it's hard to call anyone and their analysis wrong, as when you analyze the big picture everything fits together. Anyone in their right mind would look at this game and think "wow this atmosphere is perfect for the mafia". Ver once told me that lots of times it's easier to find the mafia when the town atmosphere sucks because they will not be the ones causing chaos and disruption. Instead they will be sitting on the sidelines enjoying the show while the townies flail around. Look at all the names I've listed above. Everyone (yes everyone on that list) is guilty of apathy and does not have the interests of the town in mind. They are not thinking long term, or analyzing the big picture. They aren't playing the game, they are watching. MacpoMany others have said so, and though I may be biased, I still think it's best we lynch him today. I believe his case is still by far the strongest we have at the moment, especially since he has responded to his threats (with even more reason to kill him). At the time of writing GGQ has yet to say anything. We kill him (Macpo) today and spend the night figuring out who has the next best case. In the meantime, I'm going to be looking for connections between the above players to see if anyone can be ruled out or automatically included. IF YOU HAVE FINISHED READING AND YOU ARE A COMPETENT TOWN PLAYER PLEASE READ AGAINAlso, after sifting through this information, I feel we have a strong enough lead to start killing like there's no tomorrow. ##Vote: double lynch I'd be happy including Toad and Schworz into this list and choosing two from it to lynch. Again the importance of what I'm saying here is lets keep it to these 8-9 and find a good reason for who we lynch. GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh, Toad, Schworz (This is already 10, but I'd like to lynch from this pile of candidates if possible) I feel like adding 1-2 to the list is fine, but I'd like to see it stay small so we can get the best reads from these people and choose correctly on who to lynch.
I like your lynch choices, but I'd definitely not lynch meapak today.
However, I'd like to see what my townreads have to say.
I'll be around a lot today because SNOWDAY. So if anyone wants to ask me things, go ahead.
Adam, I'm really sorry to hear about that. <3
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On January 19 2012 03:29 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever, everyone seems to be discounting the idea that Protact is scum - why is that? Huh? He certainly makes more sense as the scum candidate than BM does, as far as I'm concerned. my problem with protact right now is that I believe BC to be town because of the most recent lynch. Since all mayor candidates where so close it should have been easy to get a mafia into office => I think BM makes no sense and because of what I just said is mafia.
This logic literally does not make sense. Protact has pushed not one but TWO scum to death. Do you really think scum would bus twice? He's way more responsible for the scum deaths than BC is.
Toad you're very very wrong right now an have been for the past several days. Please reread the thread and figure out what's going on.
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On January 19 2012 03:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Well, I'd recommend we choose several candidates keeping it to 7-8 (double 3-4 because of the double lynch) and lynch two from there. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2012 13:28 Foolishness wrote:READ CAREFULLY! DON'T LOSE THIS POST! REPOST MANY TIMESI am making this post as a way of compiling the thoughts of the few people in this game who are making sense and posting good analysis. A lot of it will be my own thoughts, but it's heavily based on a few people (should be obvious) who are the most transparent and the most obvious townies. 9 Mafia remaining. Here's the preliminary suspects: Macpo, GGQ, L. These are the people I feel we have the best case for and most of the transparent people in the thread seem to agree about these 3. Personally I think GGQ is town and we should avoid lynching him for now. Protact already gave viable reasons why Macpo is better than GGQ today, and I feel there is little to argue there. sandroba pointed out how L is acting like in Ver's game, and I couldn't agree more. We also have Incog's analysis against L. Secondary suspects: Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees. These 3 people have garnered attention from a few people but not from everyone, so they are listed as secondary candidates. I am of the belief that all 3 of these people are mafia. evantrees is already mentioned by Incog. I think Cyber_Cheese highlighted a good summary of chaosquo here. Most of it is similar arguments to Macpo. Bill Murray as red? I think so. Others have cast suspicion but there's not been a full analysis anywhere. A few people have commented that the election "feels" weird in some way, and I definitely sympathize. The votes for Bill Murray come across as the most suspicious: lots of random votes there. Personally I was surprised he even got into office (remember I was out all day so I saw the results without reading the previous 20 pages). I do realize I may have initially pushed him into candidacy, but I shall take responsibility for that and see to it that he's lynched in the near future. But to be simple: Bill Murray posted a lot, and got into office. Since then he's been pretty passive at the helm (so has BC I realize). That's good enough reason to warrant a ton of suspicion, as he should be actively scumhunting and posting without fear at this point. Remaining mafia candidates: Jackal, Opz, kingjames, zeks. Incog has an analysis against Jackal as we know. I am not on board with him being mafia yet. Traditionally when he is mafia he posts paragraphs, and not one-liners. However he warrants suspicion for having an apathetic attitude. Opz is someone who I believe Sheth was the first to cast doubt on, and I must say Sheth is definitely onto something. I know of the past Opz as a town player who is aggressive, not afraid to call people out on their bullshit. That's something we aren't seeing much of this game. He's posted a few of his own thoughts, but there is a clear lack of effort. Bored townie who is facepalming at having to read 100 pages? Possibly. Mafia hiding in the shadows? Fits better. kingjames is called out on by Incog, and there's further analysis by BC. His last sentence is the perfect sum to kingjames: "The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned." kingjames has yet to do anything to contradict this. zeks I felt strongly about yesterday, he made a bad post which is nothing like his normal outspoken attitude (though it's been a while since he's played I think). He has since asked for a replacement and hasn't posted, but should still be looked at in the future. Meapak_Ziphh is someone I would like to throw out there as a candidate (which shouldn't be a surprise from the few of my recent posts). What has Meapak done this game? Tried to get GGQ lynched, and unfortunately that's about all he's tried to do. There is a very aggressive push from him to kill this guy, which I find a little suspicious and slightly out of character.
Mafia: Macpo, GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh. Substitute a few off candidates and I think we've found our 9: Jackal, BrownBear, zeks, Munk-E, other random inactive player goes here. DONT LOSE THIS POST ITS SO IMPORTANT!Writing all that I think the usefulness of this post is immediately made clear. The most prominent townies and the ones doing the analysis are all right on most of their reads. It's just each person has found 2-3 mafia on their own, and most of the time they are all different. Pooling this information together I realize it's hard to call anyone and their analysis wrong, as when you analyze the big picture everything fits together. Anyone in their right mind would look at this game and think "wow this atmosphere is perfect for the mafia". Ver once told me that lots of times it's easier to find the mafia when the town atmosphere sucks because they will not be the ones causing chaos and disruption. Instead they will be sitting on the sidelines enjoying the show while the townies flail around. Look at all the names I've listed above. Everyone (yes everyone on that list) is guilty of apathy and does not have the interests of the town in mind. They are not thinking long term, or analyzing the big picture. They aren't playing the game, they are watching. MacpoMany others have said so, and though I may be biased, I still think it's best we lynch him today. I believe his case is still by far the strongest we have at the moment, especially since he has responded to his threats (with even more reason to kill him). At the time of writing GGQ has yet to say anything. We kill him (Macpo) today and spend the night figuring out who has the next best case. In the meantime, I'm going to be looking for connections between the above players to see if anyone can be ruled out or automatically included. IF YOU HAVE FINISHED READING AND YOU ARE A COMPETENT TOWN PLAYER PLEASE READ AGAINAlso, after sifting through this information, I feel we have a strong enough lead to start killing like there's no tomorrow. ##Vote: double lynch I'd be happy including Toad and Schworz into this list and choosing two from it to lynch. Again the importance of what I'm saying here is lets keep it to these 8-9 and find a good reason for who we lynch. GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh, Toad, Schworz (This is already 10, but I'd like to lynch from this pile of candidates if possible) I feel like adding 1-2 to the list is fine, but I'd like to see it stay small so we can get the best reads from these people and choose correctly on who to lynch.
we're having literally the same reads. Except for sandroba. I alreads said I'm agreeing with the post you quoted and yet you want to lynch me like wbg does because I think everyone you think is scummy with the one little difference that I think sandroba should be added to that list.
Now explain me again why wbg and you are trying to get my lynched.
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On January 18 2012 23:54 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 23:38 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 18 2012 22:32 jaj22 wrote:Clarification: That's what it looks like if you do the absolute minimum to dodge a modkill while under pressure. On January 18 2012 21:46 EchelonTee wrote:On January 17 2012 04:27 rtgICEMAN wrote:
At this point i feel like there can be soo many guys suspected as scum, includet me.JayJay's post is rather unusual vague at the end then a realistic post.he says about alot of players then marks sandro as scum.Thought I appreciate his effort for this post, i kinda not agree with its conclusion.I ll keep an eye on GGQ and on lanaia and ill vote someone in the next 12 hours. Does anyone else think that this post is horrendous? It's incredibly neutral, saying that "man there's a lot of people who look scummy, don't know what to do", which is kind of trivializing discussion. and slightly discredits jay's post, and his conclusion that sandro is scum. Eh. He has a valid point about JayJay's post though. I had a real wtf moment when I got to the conclusion: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13162408Probably just confirmation bias though. He has a scum read on Sandroba already, and he's desperately looking for confirmation in data that doesn't really support it. Actually I have more of a scum read on BC. Since his claim. If you read my filter, you see that. And I'm 95 % sure that either him or sandro is scum. So I agree with BM here, when he says he wants to know sandros alignment to figure out BC. This is written on phone. But I'll post my opinions on stuff more detailled when I get home in some hours. I'll post my lynch choices now though...BM (who acts insane) and ggq yeah but BC pushes don't look like mafia pushes at all. He catched scum for us. I am pretty much willing to trust him as long as he keeps on catching scum no matter what. Either he's a mafia who's trying to get towncred by catching scum (I don't have a problem with that as long as the mafias end up hanging) or he's a town catching scum and that's obviously not bad either.
hmm I don't see it looking through his filter. he made a case against jackal and kingjames. also he once more acts weird with masons.
HOWEVER, for towns sake I'll stop dicussions about both sandros and BC for now (hint: one out two is scum). I feel this is not really helping right now.
Here are my opinions.
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[r]BM[/r]: pretty much all is said. summarized the laiana disaster here. Still makes zero sense at all. Accuses protact and BC. Spams away probably Foolishness' post, the probably best post yet with like back to back to back to back answers.
Needs to do some work to get off the suspect-list which will unlikely happen....Right now, I'll support a lynch 100%
[r]GGQ[/r] : I guess you've read the case. also this post
On January 18 2012 13:12 GGQ wrote:
Yeah so I hard defended macpo because I thought he posted like I did when I was new.
It's probably better to vig me tonight instead of wasting a lynch.
seems like a straaange try to at least get a vig to shoot him.
Flipping him red is probably the only way to regain some trust in sandroba and start hitting the good ol BC train.
[r]Chaos:[/r] Softdefended both GGQ and Cyri. finds the courage to just quote his case uncommented  :
On January 17 2012 04:15 Chaosquo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 02:15 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Is it just me, or is that some timing? Just as Sandroba decides GGQ as his vote It took me some time to write the post before that, and then I refreshed and saw the post by sandroba and felt his argument for pushing ggq was quite weak and I didnt want palmar happening again.On January 17 2012 02:02 Chaosquo wrote:
ggq: posts quite aggressive and short, but wherebugsgo and palmar made similar posts. I leaned scum, but null read right now. BAM! SOFTDEFEND So I took a look at Chaosquo's FilterOn January 14 2012 01:27 Chaosquo wrote:On January 14 2012 01:18 Palmar wrote:On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote:On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote:
/confirm
LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot.
I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. Hey I agree with this guy, so I'm voting him. I am very much a fan of killing Ciryandor. What is it with Ciryandor? 1 Palmar, are you now trolling us? I agree with Toadesstern that a) you are mafia and dont care about the game or b) you have a special tactic, but randomly accusing him does not help .. 2Wiggles: Does your post mean you are stepping down as candidate? 3On that topic, could all people that are serious in their campaign make it clear? For me, right now there are: BC, BM(?), kitaman and risk.nuke. I think the number of candidates has to be limited to enable a clearer choice. On January 14 2012 01:44 Chaosquo wrote:On January 14 2012 01:32 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2012 01:27 Chaosquo wrote:
a) you are mafia and dont care about the game Prove it. I was just commenting on your playstyle. I was just following the meta on you (town=vocal, scum=lurking), but seeing as you were quite active as "scum" in resistance, I retract my statement. But still posting one-liners is not helping much, no? 24 On January 14 2012 01:46 Chaosquo wrote:
I have to ask: Is the kill Ciry thing a meta thing? Because I didnt see much scummy things from him.1 On January 14 2012 08:38 Chaosquo wrote:
I still think BC is quite towny, as he put himself quite into the spotlight and his posts didnt raise suspicions. I just cannot imagine he would risk his quite good shot at an elected role by claiming mason if he was scum. Therefore, I think for the time I'm going to vote BC for mayor. I could be totally outplayed, but so be it. Or maybe I put too much value into an elected scum.
I am a new player5, so I can imagine that good scum team can manipulate a inexperienced player, but he will probably only influence the game with his single vote (if he's green), so I can see why masons staying hidden is advantageous for town.
Also, since I got ignored the first time, why is there so much hate towards Ciry?1 I dont think his posts are very scummy, but there are 3 people (sandroba, proactinium and sheth) pushing for his lynch. I also dont think this alone is a scumtell, but its still pretty irritatiting .. 1 - Protects Ciryandor multiple times. Look at the thread at that time. Ciry only made three meaningful posts at that time and non seemed very scummy. I didnt understand the accusation protactinium and sandroba were making, it didnt have much grounds imo. I thought that this accusation got seemingly randomly picked up by different people (Sheth comemntated on it later), which left me pretty confused, so I wanted to hear a stronger case.2 - Casts doubt on both Palmar. I just said that what palmar was doing is questionable, and I wanted him to step up the posting to avoid getting lynched.3 - And Wiggles 4 - Apologetic That was after I looked into his other game and I felt the meta argument was overdone.5 - Calls attention to his inexperience And I was trying to reinforce the point that I that believe mafia masons can manipulate town. ##Vote Chaosquo
which is probably a statement in itself.
honorable mentioning: VE:
I feel like this case has got to little attention. And it's writer is dead:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=81#1612
so he's on my top people to watch 2012 list.
*CoughCoughI'llalsolynchBCorsandroCoughcough*...sorry
not willing to lynch:
~OPz~: pretty much dismantled sheth case on him yesterday / today (depending on time zone ) no real town vibes though
L: is on foolishness list which I like a lot, still looks somehow town to me.
Meapak_Ziphh: total Null. can't read him whatsoever.
looking at the rest of fools list, I don't know. Kingjames and jackal might be right, but I wouldn't support a lynch yet at all.
brownbear and evantree continue to lurk hard. brownbear at least yells a very conving "pew pew die scum"....but right now I feel like we have better targets.
lanaia: just mention her, since she was one of twisted-BMs choice. should step up a bit though.
[g]defend:[/g]
protact: I already posted it, get of his ass. seriously, calling two people out on day 1 and both are scum. He also conveys a town favoured agenda. Unless BC & BM don't flip, he's town to me. @protact keep on analyzing.
toad: he might have his own view on this game. But he always looked town to me. He pretty much called out the same mason discussion bullshit, I did too. He puts a lot of effort in. Looks really town to me. Why is he on so many peoples list?
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conclusion
I try to not come up with another WTF moment here
Votes right now a on BM and GGQ or Chaos, whoever gets more votes. If one is scum, they both.
VE will be watched.
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Sheth I agree with every person on that list except for myself (obviously) and schworz and evantrees (haven't paid enough attention to them, I'd need to check their filters).
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turns out the tag is still [red] and not [r]. also and not . I am truely sorry
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On January 19 2012 04:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 03:29 Toadesstern wrote:On January 19 2012 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever, everyone seems to be discounting the idea that Protact is scum - why is that? Huh? He certainly makes more sense as the scum candidate than BM does, as far as I'm concerned. my problem with protact right now is that I believe BC to be town because of the most recent lynch. Since all mayor candidates where so close it should have been easy to get a mafia into office => I think BM makes no sense and because of what I just said is mafia. This logic literally does not make sense. Protact has pushed not one but TWO scum to death. Do you really think scum would bus twice? He's way more responsible for the scum deaths than BC is. Toad you're very very wrong right now an have been for the past several days. Please reread the thread and figure out what's going on.
reread what I said in that post. I said "the problem I have with protact" (that is VE's opinion on protact). I said that scum probably got a mafia into office and I think that guy was BM and NOT protact/BC.I posted "I think protac is town" and you're telling me "no toad, protac is town, what you said makes no sense".
I guess you misinterpreted what I said because of that "the problem I have with protact" and figured I'm talking about why he is mafia, which is not the case ( which is not the case = I did not mean to say so).
Gosh I really have to type out everything right?
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As day 1 was coming to close, Protact was leading the mayor vote and promising to lynch Macpo after already calling out ciryandor. It's possible he's scum bussing two teammates but that's not likely enough to be seriously considered at this point.
It's far more likely that the scum are players trying to distract from lynching these two on day 1, like wherebugsgo pushing hard on palmar all day, supersoft joining him, BC lynching palmar.
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On January 19 2012 03:15 jaj22 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 02:35 L wrote:
It should be pretty obvious to anyone who looks at the final stretch of voting that mafia wanted BM in office, but weren't worried by a slow vote bus for BC to close out the night, which implies that out of the three candidates, at least two were mafia. In the last 2 minutes of voting, A Proact mayor/BM Jailor result turned into a BC Mayor/Proact Jailor result and then switched to a BC mayor/BM result.
What about the theory that mafia were happy for BC to get elected regardless of alignment because he was going to lynch Palmar or Protactinium?
Err, knowing about the target of the D1 lynch doesn't change the fact that they'd have a town mayor with a 2 vote surplus to vote against come endgame and ALSO not have access to the BG information if they got no one voted in. Come endgame, that's a deficit that puts them a full cycle behind. That's a massive hole to toss yourself into willingly on the basis that 'it could be worse'.
Especially if you have 10 votes.
The only alternative is that they subbed both BGs and are waiting for a hidden LYLO to drop BC in the night and avoid the "oh, two free mafia members" reprisal by having the game end at that point.
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Oh and please stop telling me "Toad you're very wrong". So far I was right with pretty much everything I said. The thing were I have an opinion that differs from yours is sandroba. Everything else is totally the same.
I said mattchew is town, I said palmar is town, I said cyri is mafia, I said macpo is probably mafia but I'd like to lynch someone else first to get a better read on him because he posted so little, I said kita& wiggles are probably town when I talked about their campaigns, I said foolish is probably town and I'm agreeing with pretty much everyone on that mafia list.
How can you say I've been wrong so much. The only thing I could be wrong about could be Sandroba and he hasn't flipped yet.
So PLEASE stop telling me I'm wrong so much if everyone that flipped showed I was right with what I say and the one person we've got different opions hasn't even flipped.
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On January 19 2012 03:21 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Hmm, the way I see it, BM or BC is scum.
Scum don't usually like to take risks. If they already had a strong candidate on the line, why risk another?
If it came down to denying one scum role.
The mayor chooses a lynch and gets three votes, it's easy enough to make sure the mayor mislynches, and mason the mayor and attempt to sway him on later days. The sheriff's power however, could block KP and save townies.
Sheriff seems like the obvious choice.
I dislike the use of the argument "One of the mayor or sheriff MUST be scum because scum wouldn't let both spots go to townies" because it's just... not accurate. Sure, it's pretty logical to think Mafia would throw a candidate out there, but people place too much faith in Mafia's ability to win elections based off their super-secret voting bloc and their supposed ability to con their way into office. In the end, a mafia candidate has to win his office based off of solid reasoning and debate, not by virtue of mafia being able to sprinkle a few extra votes his way.
What if Protactinium was the mafia candidate and he just happened to lose a close race to BC and BM? What if WBG was the mafia candidate, and he just scrubbed his campaign epically? What if mafia pulled a double-fakeout and stayed completely out of the mayoral race, knowing we'd be picking the winners to pieces and spending less time trying to find them? These are all questions we should be asking.
Do I think one or both of BC or BM is probably mafia? In this case, I wouldn't be surprised. However, the argument "One of them must be mafia because they're elected officials" has no place here.
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On January 19 2012 04:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and please stop telling me "Toad you're very wrong". So far I was right with pretty much everything I said. The thing were I have an opinion that differs from yours is sandroba. Everything else is totally the same.
I said mattchew is town, I said palmar is town, I said cyri is mafia, I said macpo is probably mafia but I'd like to lynch someone else first to get a better read on him because he posted so little, I said kita& wiggles are probably town when I talked about their campaigns, I said foolish is probably town and I'm agreeing with pretty much everyone on that mafia list.
How can you say I've been wrong so much. The only thing I could be wrong about could be Sandroba and he hasn't flipped yet.
So PLEASE stop telling me I'm wrong so much if everyone that flipped showed I was right with what I say and the one person we've got different opions hasn't even flipped.
what I think is funny is that you are getting smacked left and right and are also on peoples list for that sandro bullshit, while I do basically the same thing and end up on no list...
we pretty much agreed on most and even the unpopular stuff, you were just leaning towards sandro scum and I BC scum. why is no one casing me. I find that hard to understand. seriously, people are trying to fuck you man
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