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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 15 2011 01:50 IMoperator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:47 ShootingStars wrote:
I don't care if Naniwa offended those Koreans. He is TRUE TO HIMSELF and is honest to both PUBLIC and private. Nestea however... >_>
I'd rather watch an honest player than a player who is all nice and good manner because hes FORCING himself to. see how far that gets you in the world buddy. Acting professional sometimes means doing something you don't want to do.
Do you think professionals act professionally simply because they care so much about the audience or that they have been given strict guide lines and other incentives to act a certain way? Jesus what a clown
I rather watch TRUE TALENT playing starcraft in IMPORTANT games with something on the line than watch B play vs B play and pretending that we saw a real top tier match.
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On December 15 2011 01:53 aderum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:42 Avril_Lavigne wrote:
Jokes on him, guess Nestea gets the last laugh. Don't know what the big deal is, NaNiWa intentionally did what he did to make a mockery of GOM tv judging by the unprofessional posture and his bored face. not only did he waste his time but the time of spectators who were expecting to see Code S level play, wasting the time of the commentators who go out of their way to do their job who dress in suits as professional as possible. Not some bull shit rebellious crap pulled by an angsty little girl. He's probably given a totally bad name to the Swedish people you all should be angered. Those in other countries including Koreans may even believe that perhaps, Sweden accepts this kind of behavior in their country? Try to see it as a bigger picture, not just amongst the minority of sc2 gamers. For those who think that what naniwa did is acceptable then you need to face the facts that reality is different from ideal. You can say he technically didn't break "any rules" but seriously, the real world doesn't always work like that. Try the NFL and NBA, lets put a team in there who doesn't want to face the other team, have them dance around the entire game to show their rebelliousness, they aren't breaking any rules, or perhaps they are? The bigger picture is is that it's completely disrespectful to the audience and the hosts of the tournament, it's wasting peoples money, the audience and the employees who help set this shit up. Seriously, use your god damn brain, you're dealing with an asian culture who in their perspective find this very offensive. This "behavior" is accepted in Sweden, so i dont see your point.
Then I guess the point is proven and this is the image that Sweden portrays, according to your word.
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my god what a stupid mess..
in the end they decided not to invite him, so just let it go!
For my POV i rather have the gracken and sen 
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On December 15 2011 01:50 BarbieHsu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:47 ShootingStars wrote:
I don't care if Naniwa offended those Koreans. He is TRUE TO HIMSELF and is honest to both PUBLIC and private. Nestea however... >_>
I'd rather watch an honest player than a player who is all nice and good manner because hes FORCING himself to. Hitler was true to himself.
Where did that comparison come from?
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On December 15 2011 01:54 Asymmetric wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:50 BarbieHsu wrote:On December 15 2011 01:47 ShootingStars wrote:
I don't care if Naniwa offended those Koreans. He is TRUE TO HIMSELF and is honest to both PUBLIC and private. Nestea however... >_>
I'd rather watch an honest player than a player who is all nice and good manner because hes FORCING himself to. Hitler was true to himself. So was Mother Teresa, whats your point?
that's his point, it's not always a good thing.
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It's a fine rule to think about, but for a tournament like Blizzard Cup, where you've invited ten of the top players in the world, you have a strong interest in every game being played, because every game is a marquee match-up. So I doubt GOM would've done anything different.
But it´s not like they just invited the players, everyone of them earned their spot based on previous performance.
I´m certainly not a Naniwa fanboy, but this is just too random for me to support this anymore.
He didn´t break any rules and forcing players to just play the game for the sake of playing doesn´t make the games any more entertaining imo.
Edit: Typo
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On December 15 2011 01:53 Shalaiyn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:46 iky43210 wrote:On December 15 2011 01:45 Fjodorov wrote:
The main point here is that Naniwa is being punished for breaking a rule that doesnt exist. Its simply unprofessional practice by GOM. match fixing is a rule that doesn't exist now? Don't talk about terms you obviously have no idea about what they mean.
Match fix: occurs as a match is played to a completely or partially pre-determined result.
tell me which part of Naniwa's action was not match fixing
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On December 15 2011 01:42 MorroW wrote:
but dont you guys agree in general making a rule where if a game doesnt matter, player should be allowed to request for walkover? or do you prefer them to be forced to play a game that doesnt matter? because this to me is far more important discussion than whatever else happened here
a rule like this to me, makes perfect sense
From a moral standpoint, I would say sure it would make sense to have this rule. However, they have a business model and fans to please.....and Naniwa vs Nestea is admittedly a big match. So while the game doesn't matter for those two explicitly in the realm of moving on in the tournament, it was VERY important in the realm of e-Sports...and Naniwa kind of pulled his pants down and shit all over that.
It also doesn't help that Quantic had hyped the shit out of this match minutes before it happened and they got much less than what they hyped up.
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United States4327 Posts
Well...on the bright side...we get to see more Sen! :D
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Folks, we're just becoming aware of the decision from GSL. We don't have all the facts yet and are investigating.
Please stay tuned. Thanks,
Lee
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is anyone else looking forward seeing slasher sweat trying to convince people it actually wasn't a seed but an invite, contrary to what he was saying all along thru mlg site/shows
if anyone dares to ask him the tricky questions that is 
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the poor guy just seems to be so socially awkard I dont think he realises how people will react to half the stuff he does...
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On December 15 2011 01:51 Warent wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:37 zala2023 wrote:On December 15 2011 01:34 dawnstone wrote:On December 15 2011 01:29 BlitzerSC wrote:On December 15 2011 01:22 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:14 Velr wrote:On December 15 2011 01:11 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 01:09 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:04 HolydaKing wrote:On December 15 2011 01:00 MorroW wrote:
why cant just gsl apologize and be the bigger man here and admit their faults for even having the game played rather than punishing naniwa to play a game that didnt matter
if a game doesnt matter, ask the players if they want or dont want to play the game, if not, then give w.o
its retarded and naniwa is the one taking the blow here for something that wasnt his fault so it would have gone in your mind to play like naniwa? in one of the most prestigious tournaments? just look like how extremely bored he looks. so disrespectful, while he could have gained so much respect. i suppose you have seen the video or even the live game, but go here if you haven't www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=394130 you dont ban a player for not having his hands on his keyboard while playing, if that was the case sjow wouldnt be a progamer anymore (:D) also you dont ban someone for looking bored this is a proffecional sports and players play by the rules of the tournament. naniwa did not break any rules. what is there left to say? Hahaha Morrow thats just so mean to sjow. lol Ahm.. If Naniwa would just have done nothing at all, this would also not be ban worthy? Because.. He is in the game, he just did do nothing... Because well... He was 100% throwing that game on behalf, i don't care how it looked.. No one should care how it looked. He did it, he got what you should get for stuff like this. we are progamers, not actors. if you want to watch acting go pay for a movie instead of a sc2 tournament they tournament admins again, must allow players to give walkover in a match that doesnt matter. its the format and the rules that allow stuff like this to happen. situations where players dont want to win, always gets messy. so im not saying what naniwa did was ethical or not, that doesnt matter to me. what matters to me is that gsl fucks up, points the finger at naniwa but not only that, punishes him for not acting a game if i was in naniwas position id request for a walkover, if not id drink 10 cups of coffee and get some food poisioning or some shit. because a player never wants to act serious in a game. because if he loses people think he played bad and serious, and if he wins, people know his build order. its a lose lose situation for a player to get into a situation where he has to play a televised game that doesnt matter You should probably watch some real sports, especially soccer. Do you see players of a team that got eliminated in the champions league that have to play the last match just sits on the field ?? No, they try to play as better as they can even if they are playing against Barcelona/Milan/Inter ecc. No they play with their B-team instead....... Pointless point you are trying to make. Since the players have something to gain from these games they can improve their chances for a spot in the staring line up for the next game, and some of them might even have salaries depending on how many games they play. So dont make retarded arguments please since Naniwa had nothing to gain from that game. sure naniwa had nothing to gain, but what about the people who paid to see the games? gomtv is not going to let naniwa shit on the people who paid to be entertained by their tickets lol You would not get a real game either way, you would only watch a lie - a show for the sake of the show, nothing else.
And? A show is a show, people still got to catch events, even if they everything is fake.
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I think this is pretty ludicrous. As far as I am concerned Nani wasn't breaking any rules and if he knew this would be the fallout from what occurred he would have done it differently(i.e. a different all-in). They should have just told him to make a public apology and if he refused to do that, then revoke his Code S spot. To me the punishment he received is basically akin to what should happen to people who violate rules repeatably or cheat.
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talk about self-ownage :D
i think he deserves it
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On December 15 2011 01:56 MrMotionPicture wrote:
Well...on the bright side...we get to see more Sen! :D
hells yes!
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On December 15 2011 01:53 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:45 Govou wrote:On December 15 2011 01:42 MorroW wrote:
but dont you guys agree in general making a rule where if a game doesnt matter, player should be allowed to request for walkover? or do you prefer them to be forced to play a game that doesnt matter? because this to me is far more important discussion than whatever else happened here
a rule like this to me, makes perfect sense when the money and sponsors are involved you dont get to chose which games you dont want to play as a player. if it is scheduled, and if you are paid, you should play. and at least make in plausible. do you watch world cup? I guess you dont well as a player, again, i would never want to act a game for my fans. would make me feel like a fraud. plus i would never want to watch or hear that flash (who i am fan of) would be forced to act a game that doesnt matter but if you sign the contract and make it clear with the tournament admins that you HAVE to play ALL games, then this was wrong by naniwa. but we get into these iffy situations at times because of the tournament organisation, and their format doesnt make it clear to the players what they have to do when they sign up for the tournament. if gsl said in beforehand "naniwa, even if you lose 0-3 and some other guy lose 0-3, you still have to play your game against him even if the game doesnt matter at all, try to make the game look good okok?". so agreeing to these things in beforehand is the orgas responsibility, not the players if naniwa knew this would revoke his code S, im 110% sure he wouldnt probe rush. but the orga failed to "warn" him or make it clear to him about the conditions which is the reason all this happened in the first place. that is why i think it was wrong for gsl to point the finger at naniwa and punish him. that is why i think its the tournament orgas to blame, not the player
But if you do not know if it is right or wrong to do so you should not do it thinking that there may be consequences for it. Hell if I was a pro I would try to win that last game just so I would not go 0-4 to make myself feel better even if it was a "meaningless game."
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On December 15 2011 01:56 snailz wrote:is anyone else looking forward seeing slasher sweat trying to convince people it actually wasn't a seed but an invite, contrary to what he was saying all along thru mlg site/shows if anyone dares to ask him the tricky questions that is
That's what GSL said so..
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On December 15 2011 01:54 Wallstreet11 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:50 IMoperator wrote:On December 15 2011 01:47 ShootingStars wrote:
I don't care if Naniwa offended those Koreans. He is TRUE TO HIMSELF and is honest to both PUBLIC and private. Nestea however... >_>
I'd rather watch an honest player than a player who is all nice and good manner because hes FORCING himself to. see how far that gets you in the world buddy. Acting professional sometimes means doing something you don't want to do. Do you think professionals act professionally simply because they care so much about the audience or that they have been given strict guide lines and other incentives to act a certain way? Jesus what a clown I rather watch TRUE TALENT playing starcraft in IMPORTANT games with something on the line than watch B play vs B play and pretending that we saw a real top tier match.
I shouldn't have said acting like a professional more like acting like an adult.
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Case like this happen more than once, in all kind of sport. Anyway I think there are fine line between 4gate your opponent just so the game can go over-with or probe rush with no control.
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