29 year old has everything figured out... wants everyone to not care about their passions/hobbies on a STARCRAFT II website.
hey mr value.. if you aren't a giant hypocrite what are you doing on a website wasting time? By your logic couldn't your time be best spent on a website with .gov at the end of it? Shouldn't you be changing the world or something? You hate my passionate tone in my OP yet I see the same type of language here where you try and save us from our own pleasures lol
You must be fairly lonely if you keep revisiting the blog to post the exact opposite reaction of what is being asked for. It'd be one thing if Geoff asked for people to provide skepticism of what he asked. You aren't reinforcing much of a point. I think everyone who views the thread gets it. You think eSports is trivial, you think what you do is more important and you can't get past the point of subjectivity to what people take pride in.
Like I said before, people find pride in creating marketing campaigns for laundry detergent. There's a time and place for all activities and the triviality of them is subjective. Instead of trying to spread the word of skepticism and eSports being trivial to you (and apparently should be to everyone else); why not spend your energy doing something actually productive like you tout you do often and so eloquently have asked Geoff to do? You're standing on the wrong soapbox in the wrong venue, lol. It's bizarre and ironic.
On November 25 2011 12:48 Primadog wrote: Pointing out that eSports is trivial benigns the fact that pretty much all we do are trivial, jtp118. Very few jobs or careers or hobbies relates strictly to the survival of our species or ourselves. You'll learn in life, eventually, that it's not about what you do, but how you do things. Day9 and iNcontroL are not respected here because they're good player or caster, but because the attitude they held about their interest. If their work is about a different hobby, be it rowing or crocheting, they'll still be respected and recognized by people of shared interest because they're so into it, so proud of it.
Get over that hump. You don't need to hide your power level, be proud of eSports.
a hobby is fine ... speaking in messianic quasi-religious terms about the greatness and magical perfect community of your rowing team or crocheting circle is effing ridiculous. asking yourself every day, 'what have i done to spread the word about crocheting? am i doing enough?', might literally be insane.
i'm 29, i've learned a fair amount about life; it actually is about what you do. i mean, of course, not everyone is going to have an archetypally meaningful job (i work at a think tank, i'd say it's relatively meaningful, but i'm not changing the world), but my passion in life is not directed toward a trivial hobby. if i'm getting 'inspired' about anything, it's about meaningful activity (and not just in my career).
it actually is about what you do. you should not be proud of crocheting for 12 hours a day. you simply should not. you should be mildly embarrassed that your life is so consumed with crocheting. just because someone like Day9 is so "super-gosh-darned enthusiastic!" about everything, that this is 'how' he is super-passionate about BW/SC2, well, this is an objectively trivial thing to be passionate about.
Day9 is like an anime roleplaying otaku on Gaia Online who uploads vlogs every day and spends all of his time going to anime conventions, posting about anime; this is what Day9 is. should i get 'inspired' to spread the world about this beautiful activity, anime roleplaying? or isn't this objectively trivial?
Calling it Crocheting is telling me a lot about how you view the matter. Let's take Boxer for example, how many people are inspired and motivated by Boxer's performance and hardworkship? He is a symbol and icon for Esport, and just like any other culture, is formed because of people interested and passionate about it, they gather around and becomes something bigger. Are you still going to call him "crocheting"? Fans, Casters, Players, everyone of us are part of this community, there is nothing wrong to promote what we love about it.
and no, it isn't about what you do, but about how you do things. How you feel Meaningful, how you feel embarrassed is a personal opinion. You can't tell anyone they should feel ashame just because you think they should, it doesn't work like that.
Please don't insult anyone who is actually doing something meaningful just because you can't see it that way.
And your example of Day9 as an anime roleplaying otaku is just laughable. He is so much more than an otaku obviously.
Oh lol, I just now read these posts that jtp has been making O_O.. Why are you here again? On the most dedicated, largest Starcraft and possibly eSports community on the web?
But, uh yeah guys, damn you for having interests that you are passionate about! damn you all to hell! Did you hear how old this guy is?! 29! Step aside, WW2 veterans, this guy knows what life's about.
Telling people to tweet, subscribe, blabla to the companies supporting eSports is great, but asking them to buy and consume the sponsors products is just laughable. Like you don't already make enough money yourself (geoff) out of this game, doing something that's fun and making any money at all should be good enough. I mean how much money does your teammate idra make from streaming? or huskystarcraft from a youtube video? it's absurd amounts for what they actually do. Though, greg is actually an insanely hardworking guy and talented starcraft player, so he deserves it. But it's pushing it when frankly untalented, poor players are thriving on it.
Nobody on this site doesn't want more tournaments, leagues, teams, but I just can't justify that people should be making such money out of this game already, when a guy like Stephano who practices for 4 hours a day can win how much he has in such a short time. I mean, i'm actually curious how much a player like lzgamer/machine, and yourself etc make, because if they can live off it there's some serious issues here
I don't mean to bring up your own team as an example, but found it fitting since you're posting this blog. I'm fairly certain replies to this will be "he's simply trying to help the game grow" "clearly an EG/incontrol hater" or something of the sort, but this is actually how i read the blog, and i'm not a sheep who simply posts what the majority may or may not believe because that's cool. Take a hard opinion, and but having watched the egostic views you show on your stream, it just screams "throw money into sc2 so pro gamers can buy fast cars!"
TLDR; When Jaedong plays for EG, i'll buy a monster energy drink
On November 26 2011 11:03 Fojji wrote: Actually a bit sickening to read this
Telling people to tweet, subscribe, blabla to the companies supporting eSports is great, but asking them to buy and consume the sponsors products is just laughable. Like you don't already make enough money yourself (geoff) out of this game, doing something that's fun and making any money at all should be good enough. I mean how much money does your teammate idra make from streaming? or huskystarcraft from a youtube video? it's absurd amounts for what they actually do. Though, greg is actually an insanely hardworking guy and talented starcraft player, so he deserves it. But it's pushing it when frankly untalented, poor players are thriving on it.
Nobody on this site doesn't want more tournaments, leagues, teams, but I just can't justify that people should be making such money out of this game already, when a guy like Stephano who practices for 4 hours a day can win how much he has in such a short time. I mean, i'm actually curious how much a player like lzgamer/machine, and yourself etc make, because if they can live off it there's some serious issues here
I don't mean to bring up your own team as an example, but found it fitting since you're posting this blog. I'm fairly certain replies to this will be "he's simply trying to help the game grow" "clearly an EG/incontrol hater" or something of the sort, but this is actually how i read the blog, and i'm not a sheep who simply posts what the majority may or may not believe because that's cool. Take a hard opinion, and but having watched the egostic views you show on your stream, it just screams "throw money into sc2 so pro gamers can buy fast cars!"
TLDR; When Jaedong plays for EG, i'll buy a monster energy drink
Your second paragraph is why you should be supporting it. The fact Geoff makes money off of it is a moot point. It's a pretty simple process. You show companies that supporting these teams is increasing their revenues and creating a worthwhile industry to support, you get to reap the benefits of spectating it.
If these companies are dumping money into supporting tournaments, making customized products and sponsoring teams/players, but see no revenues increasing and the community supporting it - they strip funding. It's simple as that.
On November 26 2011 11:03 Fojji wrote: Actually a bit sickening to read this
Telling people to tweet, subscribe, blabla to the companies supporting eSports is great, but asking them to buy and consume the sponsors products is just laughable. Like you don't already make enough money yourself (geoff) out of this game, doing something that's fun and making any money at all should be good enough. I mean how much money does your teammate idra make from streaming? or huskystarcraft from a youtube video? it's absurd amounts for what they actually do. Though, greg is actually an insanely hardworking guy and talented starcraft player, so he deserves it. But it's pushing it when frankly untalented, poor players are thriving on it.
Nobody on this site doesn't want more tournaments, leagues, teams, but I just can't justify that people should be making such money out of this game already, when a guy like Stephano who practices for 4 hours a day can win how much he has in such a short time. I mean, i'm actually curious how much a player like lzgamer/machine, and yourself etc make, because if they can live off it there's some serious issues here
I don't mean to bring up your own team as an example, but found it fitting since you're posting this blog. I'm fairly certain replies to this will be "he's simply trying to help the game grow" "clearly an EG/incontrol hater" or something of the sort, but this is actually how i read the blog, and i'm not a sheep who simply posts what the majority may or may not believe because that's cool. Take a hard opinion, and but having watched the egostic views you show on your stream, it just screams "throw money into sc2 so pro gamers can buy fast cars!"
TLDR; When Jaedong plays for EG, i'll buy a monster energy drink
BJ Penn made millions of dollars in MMA training 1-2 hours a day. If you have natural talent then you have it.
On November 26 2011 11:03 Fojji wrote: Actually a bit sickening to read this
Telling people to tweet, subscribe, blabla to the companies supporting eSports is great, but asking them to buy and consume the sponsors products is just laughable. Like you don't already make enough money yourself (geoff) out of this game, doing something that's fun and making any money at all should be good enough. I mean how much money does your teammate idra make from streaming? or huskystarcraft from a youtube video? it's absurd amounts for what they actually do. Though, greg is actually an insanely hardworking guy and talented starcraft player, so he deserves it. But it's pushing it when frankly untalented, poor players are thriving on it.
Nobody on this site doesn't want more tournaments, leagues, teams, but I just can't justify that people should be making such money out of this game already, when a guy like Stephano who practices for 4 hours a day can win how much he has in such a short time. I mean, i'm actually curious how much a player like lzgamer/machine, and yourself etc make, because if they can live off it there's some serious issues here
I don't mean to bring up your own team as an example, but found it fitting since you're posting this blog. I'm fairly certain replies to this will be "he's simply trying to help the game grow" "clearly an EG/incontrol hater" or something of the sort, but this is actually how i read the blog, and i'm not a sheep who simply posts what the majority may or may not believe because that's cool. Take a hard opinion, and but having watched the egostic views you show on your stream, it just screams "throw money into sc2 so pro gamers can buy fast cars!"
TLDR; When Jaedong plays for EG, i'll buy a monster energy drink
I almost replied to this.. instead I think I will just quote it in case you sober up and realize how dumb you are.
On November 25 2011 12:48 Primadog wrote: Pointing out that eSports is trivial benigns the fact that pretty much all we do are trivial, jtp118. Very few jobs or careers or hobbies relates strictly to the survival of our species or ourselves. You'll learn in life, eventually, that it's not about what you do, but how you do things. Day9 and iNcontroL are not respected here because they're good player or caster, but because the attitude they held about their interest. If their work is about a different hobby, be it rowing or crocheting, they'll still be respected and recognized by people of shared interest because they're so into it, so proud of it.
Get over that hump. You don't need to hide your power level, be proud of eSports.
a hobby is fine ... speaking in messianic quasi-religious terms about the greatness and magical perfect community of your rowing team or crocheting circle is effing ridiculous. asking yourself every day, 'what have i done to spread the word about crocheting? am i doing enough?', might literally be insane.
i'm 29, i've learned a fair amount about life; it actually is about what you do. i mean, of course, not everyone is going to have an archetypally meaningful job (i work at a think tank, i'd say it's relatively meaningful, but i'm not changing the world), but my passion in life is not directed toward a trivial hobby. if i'm getting 'inspired' about anything, it's about meaningful activity (and not just in my career).
it actually is about what you do. you should not be proud of crocheting for 12 hours a day. you simply should not. you should be mildly embarrassed that your life is so consumed with crocheting. just because someone like Day9 is so "super-gosh-darned enthusiastic!" about everything, that this is 'how' he is super-passionate about BW/SC2, well, this is an objectively trivial thing to be passionate about.
Day9 is like an anime roleplaying otaku on Gaia Online who uploads vlogs every day and spends all of his time going to anime conventions, posting about anime; this is what Day9 is. should i get 'inspired' to spread the world about this beautiful activity, anime roleplaying? or isn't this objectively trivial?
What I think Incontrol and others are trying to say is
CHEESY but awesome. But no, it's not what you do. What people do is not in and of itself important. Our actions are only important if we recognize them as being so, we give our own actions our own meaning. That is just the nature of culture. Being an e-sports fanatic is only something to be embarrassed about if it embarrasses you. And fuck you, anime is awesome.
Being 29 and having a career doesn't mean you've solved the multi-millennial quest for the ultimate meaning of life.
edit: GOD it embedded the whole thing I just wanted a time stamp link. There should be fixed.
Many look down upon gamers, and so do I. Because many gamers are sole consumers, much like many otakus (if not the immense majority in this case) consume mangas and animes just to forget about how pathetic their life is in their eyes.
However, I agree a 100% with Incontrol. Because this is different. This is a call for action. Being just here to play games is a limited attitude. It's using games as a way to numb yourself from what's difficult in your life. But taking part in the community, and living this not as a hobby, not as an addiction, not as a passion but as a lifestyle, now THAT is something worth a lot of respect. It's about expressing yourself and giving back to people. It's about thinking back about what you do, trying to expand and support what fascinates you. It's a step towards being a better human being.
I'm completely sure that a person who's active about his passions in life in a way that actively involves him with the community will be a better person all around. He will care more about people, he will care more about the world. He will look outside and smile at others. THIS is what people like Day9 or progamers do.
One can always say, like that silly think-tank wanabee up here, that some causes are more important than others. Well, guess what? The world is 7 billions strong. To deny variety and the right to love what you love is a crime and the first step towards a totalitarian way of thinking.
I believe that games are big. I believe that they will a big part of future societies. So let's make sure now that everything is headed the way we want it. All of those naysayers who are unable to understand the shifts that are taking place in culture and society, and the global acceleration launched by the industrial revolution, will just be left behind.
On November 28 2011 10:34 Kukaracha wrote: Many look down upon gamers, and so do I. Because many gamers are sole consumers, much like many otakus (if not the immense majority in this case) consume mangas and animes just to forget about how pathetic their life is in their eyes.
However, I agree a 100% with Incontrol. Because this is different. This is a call for action. Being just here to play games is a limited attitude. It's using games as a way to numb yourself from what's difficult in your life. But taking part in the community, and living this not as a hobby, not as an addiction, not as a passion but as a lifestyle, now THAT is something worth a lot of respect. It's about expressing yourself and giving back to people. It's about thinking back about what you do, trying to expand and support what fascinates you. It's a step towards being a better human being.
I'm completely sure that a person who's active about his passions in life in a way that actively involves him with the community will be a better person all around. He will care more about people, he will care more about the world. He will look outside and smile at others. THIS is what people like Day9 or progamers do.
One can always say, like that silly think-tank wanabee up here, that some causes are more important than others. Well, guess what? The world is 7 billions strong. To deny variety and the right to love what you love is a crime and the first step towards a totalitarian way of thinking.
I believe that games are big. I believe that they will a big part of future societies. So let's make sure now that everything is headed the way we want it. All of those naysayers who are unable to understand the shifts that are taking place in culture and society, and the global acceleration launched by the industrial revolution, will just be left behind.
You probably didn’t see me but I watched a lot of your MLG Anaheim matches in person. I even strained my eyes to watch several of your matches off the main stage. You had a very good run and bested several of the greatest Starcraft players in the world. I was even in the crowd on Saturday night chanting “White Ra, White Ra!” after your win against Drewbie.
I really didn’t follow you as a player until a few weeks after MLG Anaheim. I saw you do an interview for a documentary movie called StarNation. You started talking about how you used to get mad at yourself for losing a match. Then you said 4 words that have stayed with me and the community ever since; “more gg, more skill.” You explained that you see losses as an opportunity to “understand your mistake” and that losing was “no problem”. I took your words to heart and suddenly my losing streaks didn’t feel like these horrible treks through Mordor. Quite the contrary; much like you I started seeing losses as a chance to improve my game. I practiced and honed my skills and now I play at a top 8 Platinum level which roughly makes me better than 1 out of every 6 players in North America.
Unfortunately, I didn’t take things like work, college, blogging, and my personal health as seriously as I have taken my Starcraft game. I always quit things wayyy before I should and rarely put in a solid effort at being successful at something. Then a giant flash of light went off in my brain like a Hellion’s Blue Flame. “I’m not Idra; I don’t just quit things because they seem hard or impossible. In all my ladder games I fight until I can’t fight anymore. That’s who I am. Why should my personal life be any different?”
I started viewing many of my goals as Favored Opponents. I had lost my matchup against losing weight, studying hard, and consistently blogging many times. I decided I was going to face these opponents again, but after every time I failed I would sit down, figure out why I failed, “and try and fix it and it’s no problem.”
Since applying the WhiteRa approach to Starcraft to my personal life I have lost 10 lbs. and my weight is steadily dropping. I exercise 3-5 times a week and sometimes more. I have even done something I thought I never could do, I blogged for 13 hours on a Saturday! I thought I would never have the self-discipline to work when nobody was threatening to fire me. But as it turns out, I do. Even though I have had to say GG many times in my personal life the past couple months I am still moving forward; learning from my mistakes and fixing “my game” so to speak.
Thank you for your encouraging words WhiteRa. WhiteRa, without you I would probably still be gaining weight, failing school, and dare I say it, playing far too much Starcraft. You are an icon in the Starcraft community and I hope you are here for the long haul. GG WhiteRa.
On November 25 2011 12:48 Primadog wrote: Pointing out that eSports is trivial benigns the fact that pretty much all we do are trivial, jtp118. Very few jobs or careers or hobbies relates strictly to the survival of our species or ourselves. You'll learn in life, eventually, that it's not about what you do, but how you do things. Day9 and iNcontroL are not respected here because they're good player or caster, but because the attitude they held about their interest. If their work is about a different hobby, be it rowing or crocheting, they'll still be respected and recognized by people of shared interest because they're so into it, so proud of it.
Get over that hump. You don't need to hide your power level, be proud of eSports.
i'm 29, i've learned a fair amount about life
Imo, believing you have a good understanding of life is an indicator that you really don't.
On November 25 2011 12:48 Primadog wrote: Pointing out that eSports is trivial benigns the fact that pretty much all we do are trivial, jtp118. Very few jobs or careers or hobbies relates strictly to the survival of our species or ourselves. You'll learn in life, eventually, that it's not about what you do, but how you do things. Day9 and iNcontroL are not respected here because they're good player or caster, but because the attitude they held about their interest. If their work is about a different hobby, be it rowing or crocheting, they'll still be respected and recognized by people of shared interest because they're so into it, so proud of it.
Get over that hump. You don't need to hide your power level, be proud of eSports.
a hobby is fine ... speaking in messianic quasi-religious terms about the greatness and magical perfect community of your rowing team or crocheting circle is effing ridiculous. asking yourself every day, 'what have i done to spread the word about crocheting? am i doing enough?', might literally be insane.
i'm 29, i've learned a fair amount about life; it actually is about what you do. i mean, of course, not everyone is going to have an archetypally meaningful job (i work at a think tank, i'd say it's relatively meaningful, but i'm not changing the world), but my passion in life is not directed toward a trivial hobby. if i'm getting 'inspired' about anything, it's about meaningful activity (and not just in my career).
it actually is about what you do. you should not be proud of crocheting for 12 hours a day. you simply should not. you should be mildly embarrassed that your life is so consumed with crocheting. just because someone like Day9 is so "super-gosh-darned enthusiastic!" about everything, that this is 'how' he is super-passionate about BW/SC2, well, this is an objectively trivial thing to be passionate about.
Day9 is like an anime roleplaying otaku on Gaia Online who uploads vlogs every day and spends all of his time going to anime conventions, posting about anime; this is what Day9 is. should i get 'inspired' to spread the world about this beautiful activity, anime roleplaying? or isn't this objectively trivial?
Agree with your posts completely. Unfortunately the prevalence of existentialism among our generation makes it easy to bury your head in the sand and pretend that what you're doing is important. It's not a philosophy I necessarily disagree with either (that is, existentialism), it's the way people apply it... ie spending their most valuable years on activities which benefit virtually nobody other than themselves.
Anyway, I don't wanna take this off topic. I just thought I'd chip in and say you're not the only one on TL who thinks the way you do