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ZombieGrub
United States686 Posts
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10340 Posts
You're still a good salesman, Geoff. I remember when everyone slurped up your promotion of the first NASL. Anyway, your dream of SC2 is certainly not mine. Your dream sounds like turning esports into a MAJOR cash cow consumer power, like other sports league, such as say the NFL. Watch our games, buy our products, buy our sponsor's products, pay for my coaching, pay for exclusive memberships, and so on. This fits well with your wanting coverage of esports to be like that of ESPN. ESPN certainly has a successful business model financially, but take a closer look at what it would be like to have esports of this variety: 24-hour coverage of every little sc tournament, a bunch of talking heads, so-called analysts that will over-analyze every minor detail to its death and make reckless blanket statements about the game and playesr, tons of time devoted to rumors and gossip and "off-monitor" incidents and infractions, trades, signings, interviews, and so on, so we can all follow along like drones. This is a very rah-rah post where we're all supposed to "improve" esports by spreading its goodness across cyberspace and expanding its power! We will sell it to everyone! I think the scene needs a lot of work. If anything, it needs to contract, not expand. There are so many events, so many tournaments, so many players, everyone seems to have at least one decent accomplishment under their belt. They're devalued, in a way, because they are so numerous. I will not retweet this, I will not like this, I do not gobble everything said by veteran posters or progamers, I have a hard time trusting anything you say, crafty though you may be. You've completely romanticized what is a consumer-based enterprise. Video games should be treated as hobbies, not lifestyles. Says who? Says me, different opinion. We should not eat-sleep-breathe starcraft to the extreme that we are headed towards. Look how excited and empowered all of you are! Yeah! Wouldn't it be great if you had this enthusiasm about other aspects of your lives? Oh well. | ||
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NegatioN
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I am of the understanding that all it takes is really a full-time commitment, and a slight bit of luck or skill towards marketing yourself a bit, to make it decently at least. And making it in any sense in a business you are passionate about, is in my eyes better than surfing through life safe n' sound, with your 9 to 4 job. | ||
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sang
United States251 Posts
The biggest piece of advice I can give anyone looking to get into esports journalism/media is that everyone started somewhere. I've been doing esports media for over eight years across multiple games and have worked with some of the brightest in the industry and I can tell you with absolutely certainty those who succeed in this industry are individuals who don't sit around wishing or thinking things to happen. They're people who make stuff happen. Once again Geoff, fantastic post. I hope people take the time to read the entire post through and again, if anyone is interested in getting involved in esports journalism/media, please do not hesitate to contact me. | ||
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SoKHo
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Revelatus
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Good blog /highfive | ||
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Riyomori
Singapore316 Posts
good writeup nonetheless! | ||
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dAPhREAk
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don_kyuhote
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Kamais_Ookin
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Mickey2323
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Iamportal
United States184 Posts
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Wackalack
United States2 Posts
I know I'm not the only one out there that definitely follows the scene but doesn't participate (communicate) with the rest of the fan base and players. Incontrol, you're diligence is definitely paying off, spreading the word every day and trying to reinforce this idea of growth in a video game community is definitely working. These victories definitely add up. Hundreds like me will eventually start participating in one way or another. For me, I finally took the time to make a TL account, a reddit account, and eventually I'll start following some of my favorite players on twitter. It's a bit embarrassing how late it is for me to finally do something. I guess I needed that push. Anyways, 5/5 for the post. Regardless of your results, you are still a great player, capable of going deep in tournaments. Some of your results are just a testament to the growth of the rest of the competitive field in SC2. Keep up the good work! | ||
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DueSs
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hiphoppopotomus
United States12 Posts
On November 22 2011 15:33 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Can I interrupt this unapologetic stroke-fest? You're still a good salesman, Geoff. I remember when everyone slurped up your promotion of the first NASL. Anyway, your dream of SC2 is certainly not mine. Your dream sounds like turning esports into a MAJOR cash cow consumer power, like other sports league, such as say the NFL. Watch our games, buy our products, buy our sponsor's products, pay for my coaching, pay for exclusive memberships, and so on. This fits well with your wanting coverage of esports to be like that of ESPN. ESPN certainly has a successful business model financially, but take a closer look at what it would be like to have esports of this variety: 24-hour coverage of every little sc tournament, a bunch of talking heads, so-called analysts that will over-analyze every minor detail to its death and make reckless blanket statements about the game and playesr, tons of time devoted to rumors and gossip and "off-monitor" incidents and infractions, trades, signings, interviews, and so on, so we can all follow along like drones. This is a very rah-rah post where we're all supposed to "improve" esports by spreading its goodness across cyberspace and expanding its power! We will sell it to everyone! I think the scene needs a lot of work. If anything, it needs to contract, not expand. There are so many events, so many tournaments, so many players, everyone seems to have at least one decent accomplishment under their belt. They're devalued, in a way, because they are so numerous. I will not retweet this, I will not like this, I do not gobble everything said by veteran posters or progamers, I have a hard time trusting anything you say, crafty though you may be. You've completely romanticized what is a consumer-based enterprise. Video games should be treated as hobbies, not lifestyles. Says who? Says me, different opinion. We should not eat-sleep-breathe starcraft to the extreme that we are headed towards. Look how excited and empowered all of you are! Yeah! Wouldn't it be great if you had this enthusiasm about other aspects of your lives? Oh well. This is one of the more selfish posts I've seen on this website. Who are you to decide that the players are devalued and that tournaments are no longer important? People in this community are passionate about this video game that you think should simply stay a "hobby." I've got some news for you buddy, it's no longer just a hobby. People spend all day every day practicing this game for their tournaments, and here you are trying to devalue what they do. Think about what is better for the players AND the viewers. What Incontrol is proposing is an increase in quality of broadcasts and number of viewers, which will both significantly increase the quality of life of the players(more money) and will increase the enjoyment of the spectators(better broadcasts). I'm sorry to say that what you attempt to demonize as a "consumer-based enterprise" is actually necessary for the scene to continue to exist. Without increased commodification of the scene, it will simply die out, as it is built on marketing budgets and air. We have proven that there is money to be made in starcraft, and this will bring in the foundations to make it a lasting e-sport. Perhaps instead of blindly dismissing anything someone has to say about "e-sports growing," you should instead focus on the actual underlying principles of what is being said, and what you really want out of this community. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
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Mickey2323
United States17 Posts
On November 22 2011 15:33 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Can I interrupt this unapologetic stroke-fest? You're still a good salesman, Geoff. I remember when everyone slurped up your promotion of the first NASL. Anyway, your dream of SC2 is certainly not mine. Your dream sounds like turning esports into a MAJOR cash cow consumer power, like other sports league, such as say the NFL. Watch our games, buy our products, buy our sponsor's products, pay for my coaching, pay for exclusive memberships, and so on. This fits well with your wanting coverage of esports to be like that of ESPN. ESPN certainly has a successful business model financially, but take a closer look at what it would be like to have esports of this variety: 24-hour coverage of every little sc tournament, a bunch of talking heads, so-called analysts that will over-analyze every minor detail to its death and make reckless blanket statements about the game and playesr, tons of time devoted to rumors and gossip and "off-monitor" incidents and infractions, trades, signings, interviews, and so on, so we can all follow along like drones. This is a very rah-rah post where we're all supposed to "improve" esports by spreading its goodness across cyberspace and expanding its power! We will sell it to everyone! I think the scene needs a lot of work. If anything, it needs to contract, not expand. There are so many events, so many tournaments, so many players, everyone seems to have at least one decent accomplishment under their belt. They're devalued, in a way, because they are so numerous. I will not retweet this, I will not like this, I do not gobble everything said by veteran posters or progamers, I have a hard time trusting anything you say, crafty though you may be. You've completely romanticized what is a consumer-based enterprise. Video games should be treated as hobbies, not lifestyles. Says who? Says me, different opinion. We should not eat-sleep-breathe starcraft to the extreme that we are headed towards. Look how excited and empowered all of you are! Yeah! Wouldn't it be great if you had this enthusiasm about other aspects of your lives? Oh well. It may not be your dream, and it may be a hobby to you, but this is people's lives you are downplaying. This is how they make a living. You are criticizing someone for wanting to expand on their livelyhood. You are entitled to your opinion, but don't think for one minute that us posters are mindless oafs wandering around gobbling up every bit of "rah-rah" posts we can to make ourselves feel better. Some of us love SC2 and want to see it expand to bigger and better things. Does that mean spending some of your time and money? No.. it can, but it doesn't have to. As for the TV aspect.. what makes you think anyone other than an established caster would be solicited for the job at an ESPN? Do you really think they would hire some no knowledge scrub to get this brand new enterprise off the ground? The community would be outraged, ESPN is not that stupid. Why are you seeing fit to be? Open your eyes and think outside the box. Maybe then you will be a little less critical of someone's passion. However, I don't expect you to read this in the first place. But maybe someone will. And that is the whole point, no? | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On November 22 2011 15:33 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Can I interrupt this unapologetic stroke-fest? You're still a good salesman, Geoff. I remember when everyone slurped up your promotion of the first NASL. Anyway, your dream of SC2 is certainly not mine. Your dream sounds like turning esports into a MAJOR cash cow consumer power, like other sports league, such as say the NFL. Watch our games, buy our products, buy our sponsor's products, pay for my coaching, pay for exclusive memberships, and so on. This fits well with your wanting coverage of esports to be like that of ESPN. ESPN certainly has a successful business model financially, but take a closer look at what it would be like to have esports of this variety: 24-hour coverage of every little sc tournament, a bunch of talking heads, so-called analysts that will over-analyze every minor detail to its death and make reckless blanket statements about the game and playesr, tons of time devoted to rumors and gossip and "off-monitor" incidents and infractions, trades, signings, interviews, and so on, so we can all follow along like drones. This is a very rah-rah post where we're all supposed to "improve" esports by spreading its goodness across cyberspace and expanding its power! We will sell it to everyone! I think the scene needs a lot of work. If anything, it needs to contract, not expand. There are so many events, so many tournaments, so many players, everyone seems to have at least one decent accomplishment under their belt. They're devalued, in a way, because they are so numerous. I will not retweet this, I will not like this, I do not gobble everything said by veteran posters or progamers, I have a hard time trusting anything you say, crafty though you may be. You've completely romanticized what is a consumer-based enterprise. Video games should be treated as hobbies, not lifestyles. Says who? Says me, different opinion. We should not eat-sleep-breathe starcraft to the extreme that we are headed towards. Look how excited and empowered all of you are! Yeah! Wouldn't it be great if you had this enthusiasm about other aspects of your lives? Oh well. @mountaindewjunkie. cool name. not so cool post. but, to each his own. | ||
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HydraLF
Hong Kong626 Posts
On November 22 2011 15:33 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Can I interrupt this unapologetic stroke-fest? You're still a good salesman, Geoff. I remember when everyone slurped up your promotion of the first NASL. Anyway, your dream of SC2 is certainly not mine. Your dream sounds like turning esports into a MAJOR cash cow consumer power, like other sports league, such as say the NFL. Watch our games, buy our products, buy our sponsor's products, pay for my coaching, pay for exclusive memberships, and so on. This fits well with your wanting coverage of esports to be like that of ESPN. ESPN certainly has a successful business model financially, but take a closer look at what it would be like to have esports of this variety: 24-hour coverage of every little sc tournament, a bunch of talking heads, so-called analysts that will over-analyze every minor detail to its death and make reckless blanket statements about the game and playesr, tons of time devoted to rumors and gossip and "off-monitor" incidents and infractions, trades, signings, interviews, and so on, so we can all follow along like drones. This is a very rah-rah post where we're all supposed to "improve" esports by spreading its goodness across cyberspace and expanding its power! We will sell it to everyone! I think the scene needs a lot of work. If anything, it needs to contract, not expand. There are so many events, so many tournaments, so many players, everyone seems to have at least one decent accomplishment under their belt. They're devalued, in a way, because they are so numerous. I will not retweet this, I will not like this, I do not gobble everything said by veteran posters or progamers, I have a hard time trusting anything you say, crafty though you may be. You've completely romanticized what is a consumer-based enterprise. Video games should be treated as hobbies, not lifestyles. Says who? Says me, different opinion. We should not eat-sleep-breathe starcraft to the extreme that we are headed towards. Look how excited and empowered all of you are! Yeah! Wouldn't it be great if you had this enthusiasm about other aspects of your lives? Oh well. Its shocking to hear that more money in the pool, more sponsorship, more awareness from blue chip companies and media is a bad thing for the scene. Not everyone treat this as a hobby, professional players make a living out of it, you may treat it as a hobby but you can't say its a bad idea to build on the infrastructure for it to support more people who try to make it as a profession. By your logic, every competitive sport is a niche and should be treated as a hobby. The Premier League generates billions of viewership and revenues across the world, and guess what, it start from being a hobby, the game isn't suddenly invented as a competitive sport with hundreds of satellite channels showing the game. Of course you are entitled to not support or retweet this as you disagree. But nobody cares. | ||
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StarStruck
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You be dreaming. We have a long way to go before we start packing stadiums to 32k. Packing an arena (15-20k) is plausible. I definitely think the time has come to start thinking outside of convention centers. There are a few convention centers like in Toronto where you can hold over 100k people, but 3 halls would suffice for now. ESPN coverage could definitely happen and a highlight reel show of all the major LANs could happen on cable TV (second times the charm, right?), but in order for that to actually be viable I would think the providers would want at least a 0.4 TV rating in North America alone. Don't see that happening. We really don't need TV/cable providers at this moment. There is enough player support and as for social media. You guys have to find new ways of plugging shit rather than repeating it over and over. There are plenty ways of doing this including putting your ID's/twitter below you as you appear on screen before casting a match. Likewise, the same could be shown for players in the booths. We have the tech to do it, it's up to the producers to start implementing it. We don't want to hear you guys plug yourselves every five minutes. Emails are impersonal and I rather not flood them in that matter. It's great if the general public want to send their thanks and support via Twitter as everyone can see it rather than just them, but Email flooding? No. I don't recommend that. If anything use the social media to show your support for them or if you see an executive at an event be sure to walk up to them and thank them for their tremendous support. There are better methods. I'm very unbiased but I rather not turn it into a job like you guys. You don't have to be biased just because you are tied down to an organization like EG. The fans will appreciate it a lot more if more when key contributors show unbiased opinions and tell it the way it is. You say you have to answer to someone higher up. I say good character is one of the most important tools you have. I don't think you guys need player agents yet. You know what you need and what your contracts already entail. That and the scene is a revolving door at the moment. There are only a few guys that truly stand out above the rest and have proven time and time again that they can be household names. Consistency is a huge issue and it's detrimental. You might want to consider hiring legal aid, but you don't need an agent yet. I can give you a short-list of personalities who might want to speak with an entertainment lawyer. This list includes: Day[9], Tasteless, Artosis, DJWheat, Husky and if you ever want to move to a desk maybe yourself too. | ||
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