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On September 21 2011 16:32 FataLe wrote: un-rallied Fact, Banshees without cloak. Raven first. BFH. Seriously? There's tons of vfollow-ups he could have did. Sage's build was optimal vs almost everything else other than Cloak banshee. After a nexus first Toss's follow up is almost unanimously 2-3 gates into robo. I'm thinking Sage was banking on the fact that YoDa knows this and went for a more streamlined-cloakless, and quicker timing push. It's not hard to see his thinking pattern. 'as if he merely 'forgot' detection.
edit: misread your post.
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Looking at the spoilered overall results for Sage vs Yoda, I can't tell whose name is bolded for game 3, maybe it's not edited at this time. However, looking at the recommended games, and considering how badly we feel about Protoss, I think I can tell who won game 3.
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12 protoss go in, 4 come out, can't explain that...
boy i'm depressed...
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On September 21 2011 17:32 chocopaw wrote: 12 protoss go in, 4 come out, can't explain that...
boy i'm depressed...
Well considering that you'd imagine that with a perfect 50% win rate for each race 6 of them would go through, 4 isn't actually bad at all and isn't even close to indication of weakness.
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Sage is the real deal yo.
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On September 21 2011 17:33 branflakes14 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 17:32 chocopaw wrote: 12 protoss go in, 4 come out, can't explain that...
boy i'm depressed... Well considering that you'd imagine that with a perfect 50% win rate for each race 6 of them would go through, 4 isn't actually bad at all and isn't even close to indication of weakness. This is where the top protosses in the world are all at making their stand. They are largely facing 2nd rate zergs and terrans, and are still doing okayish at best. That is quite bad.
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On September 21 2011 17:33 branflakes14 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 17:32 chocopaw wrote: 12 protoss go in, 4 come out, can't explain that...
boy i'm depressed... Well considering that you'd imagine that with a perfect 50% win rate for each race 6 of them would go through, 4 isn't actually bad at all and isn't even close to indication of weakness.
Way to prove that you have actually no clue of percent calculation
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On September 21 2011 17:40 ooozer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 17:33 branflakes14 wrote:On September 21 2011 17:32 chocopaw wrote: 12 protoss go in, 4 come out, can't explain that...
boy i'm depressed... Well considering that you'd imagine that with a perfect 50% win rate for each race 6 of them would go through, 4 isn't actually bad at all and isn't even close to indication of weakness. Way to prove that you have actually no clue of percent calculation
An excellent rebuttal, rife with evidence.
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damn it naniwa
sage has a good shot at winning this season
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Sage, you beautiful son of a bitch!
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Day 1, Code A: 7 zerg, 5 terra, 4 toss ; 4 terran advance, 3 zergs, 1 toss Matches consisting of : 1 pvt, 3*pvz, 1 tvt, 1zvz, 2 tvz. A total of 4 toss involved, non-mirror matches. 1 Toss win = 25%. Total loss percentage against T=100%. Losratio against Zerg: 66%
Day 2 Code A: 3 zerg 1 terra 4 toss ; 2 zerg advance, 2 toss, no terra Toss winning 2 out of 2 matches, 50% win-percentage while having 100% agaisnt terran and 33% winratio against Zerg (66 los-ratio)
Day3 Code A: 2 zerg 2 terra 4 toss ; 1 toss advances, 2 zergs, 1 terra TvP: 50% winratio for each, PvZ: 100% loss for toss.
Total of 8 PvZ's, losing 6 out of 8 matches.
Total of 4 PvT, losing 2 out of 2. (50% of course)
5 out of 8 Terrans advance, 7 out of 12 zergs, 4 out of 12 toss
terrans having slightly a edge over zerg, having a bigger gap to toss.
/edit: Consider: There were only 4 PvT's. Judging from the results of the recent past, i think it's reasonable to assume, that the PvT percentages converge to the PvZ results
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He has a good understanding of percentages actually dude lol. 33% on such a small scale isn't very different then the 50%. With one more protoss advancing I doubt people would complain as much.
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Even on this scale , 33% aint 50. Protoss losing 75% of their matches against Zerg, advancing with 33% while over 50% of both, Terran and Zerg advance. The total percentage suck even more when we take a look at the players losing. On the Protoss Side, MC, Alicia, Naniwa, Tassadar and so on were on the loser side. Toss we consider as top tier (especially in comparison to the the foreign scene), losing to medicore(Korean PoV) Zerg and Terra.
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You're right, when you say, that we don't have enough information in order to make valuable predictions. But in this case one could argue it's completly senseless to compare percentages.But still the total numbers just freakin' blow
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On September 21 2011 16:57 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 16:34 FataLe wrote:On September 21 2011 16:30 Heavenly wrote:On September 21 2011 16:28 windsupernova wrote:On September 21 2011 16:26 AxionSteel wrote:On September 21 2011 16:22 tomrh3 wrote: do any of you actually play starcraft? that was not the 1-1-1 all in build that is frequently deemed as "OP". Anytime a terran makes a rax, fac and starport it's the imba and unstoppable 1-1-1 according to these experts, and if it happens to fail, it's only because the imbaterran user messed up horribly with the skills of a plat league gamer. Sounds about right lol. 111-> Protoss loses. If anything else happens its not a 111 I don't understand if you people are trolling or not. Some people say this every game that a horribly executed 1-1-1 lost, as if the people mentioning it was horribly executed are somehow delusional. Except it was horribly executed. On September 21 2011 16:29 FataLe wrote:On September 21 2011 16:26 Heavenly wrote:On September 21 2011 16:26 FataLe wrote:On September 21 2011 16:22 Heavenly wrote: I'm enjoying all the people acting like Sage is the greatest protoss ever and it's only a matter of time before he wins GSL because he managed to 2-1 Yoda playing some of the worst games I've seen in the GSL. What games have you been watching? :O Flash's equivalent in SC2? Sage played games 1 & 2 near flawlessly and got caught out in game 2. I'm curious as to what to be critical about really.. Watch how Yoda played? Playing standard Korean Terran. This is exactly the abusive style that Protoss has trouble with because there's a plethora of 1/1/1 openings and follow-ups. YoDa played well, just not great, which is why he lost, because Sage is the greater player. Quit hating. Kids good. Yoda actually played terribly. Imagine it was Bomber Sage was facing. Why is this your line of reasoning? Of course Bomber is going to play better. He's in Code S. That's self explanatory. But that doesn't detract from YoDa's play, which was once again, good. But not great. Sorry, but YoDa played godawful. Especially (!) in game two, which he won. I'm not gonna join the obligatory QQ after a day full of protoss losses (you won't get me this time Nyovne ), but YoDa definitely played like some toss/zerg where some posters afterwards say "huge mistakes, not Code xyz material". Don't get me wrong, he is a "good" player in the way you could say that any random pro-gamer is a "good" player. But nothing more. Ah, I agree on your last point.
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Naniwa But at least Sage made it !!
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Glad to see Sage get through, I've heard a lot about him.
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On September 21 2011 17:32 chocopaw wrote: 12 protoss go in, 4 come out, can't explain that...
boy i'm depressed... So slightly under half went through, meaning you can't really claim imbalance here. Of course, when you look at the comparative skill level of the protosses (and the fact that some of them played like utter shit -- MC) it's not that hard to guess why they didn't do as well as you wanted. It turns out people lose when they play poorly. Crazy I know.
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Naniwa
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On September 21 2011 17:40 ooozer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 17:33 branflakes14 wrote:On September 21 2011 17:32 chocopaw wrote: 12 protoss go in, 4 come out, can't explain that...
boy i'm depressed... Well considering that you'd imagine that with a perfect 50% win rate for each race 6 of them would go through, 4 isn't actually bad at all and isn't even close to indication of weakness. Way to prove that you have actually no clue of percent calculation
He's right actually... if you were to perform a hypothesis test your confidence for claiming that the probability of protoss advancing is less than 50% (this is completely discounting the skill of players involved) would be way too low to make it a valid claim.
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