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On July 27 2011 21:55 shadymmj wrote: so can someone please enlighten me of the possible scenarios now? what happens if hyuk/modesty wins, etc.? thanks in advance. hyuk > modesty forces tiebreaker
modesty > hyuk means hyvaa and JD eliminated
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i think modesty is gonna beat hyuk fairly easy, he is a ZvZ sniper after all...
but then JD is out with hyvaa?
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On July 27 2011 21:50 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 21:48 gngfn wrote:On July 27 2011 21:48 RJGooner wrote:On July 27 2011 21:47 J1.au wrote: It's time to admit it everyone, ZvZ is the worst match-up in Brood War. Has anyone said otherwise? Lots of people think TvT is the worst. I strongly disagree, but they definitely exist. We certainly do exist A FOX fan who hates TvT...? That must be awful. My condolences.
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I understand that it is very easy to be extremely harsh with his zvz, it surely is a matchup were you easily can get 5-6 bad beats by build-orders or bad luck in a row. But by now this is not coincidence anymore. He lost every muta-battle during the 2-3 against Hydra, went 4x12hatch against zer0 and messed up the one game where it was 12h vs 12h really really bad. And falling back to 12pool all the time is really not the way to go. It is just predictable and more a trick of all trades built the way he is playing it. He simply has lost his zvz magic, and it hurts too watch.
edit: Not to mention that his muta-control is looking sub-par even when he wins at the moment. It is just all around sloppy.
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On July 27 2011 21:53 HighTemper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 21:48 DarkMatter_ wrote:On July 27 2011 21:47 Malinor wrote: What the fuck is Wrong with him, he is not winning a single big muta-battle lately.
This is just atrocious to watch. It's true that his muta micro hasn't been as solid as it used to be, but you have to consider that it was 12 pool vs 12 hatch. hyvaa had a superior air army. JD sniped 2 of hyvaa's early mutas with scourges. The key of the match is the snipe of Nat Extractor by hyvaa's lings. Rotational symmetry... gotta love it. JD should have gone for a 12 hatch though, there's really no reason not to on a 4 player map. Only about 50% chance your opponent will find you with a 9pool and even then, it's not impossible to defend, especially against fucking Hyvaa...
JD needs to have a long hard think about his ZvZ.
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if hyuk wins, we have three players with 1-2 records and we will go into a tie-breaker. if modesty wins, he and hyuk will advance.
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the sunken was in a standard position, it is just a sucky position and jaedong didn't pay attention to the nat for like 3 seconds and he killed the gas T_T also i think he lost his 6 lings too early after that
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On July 27 2011 21:55 KTF_CloaK wrote: i think modesty is gonna beat hyuk fairly easy, he is a ZvZ sniper after all...
but then JD is out with hyvaa? yeah modesty has fking sick zvz but it's not as good as it used to be
i'd probably say only 60% in modesty's favour. zvz is so volatile after all.
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On July 27 2011 21:55 KTF_CloaK wrote: i think modesty is gonna beat hyuk fairly easy, he is a ZvZ sniper after all...
but then JD is out with hyvaa? JD beat Modesty and lost to Hyuk. It's ZvZ, luck is a pretty big factor. And Hyuk isn't exactly bad at ZvZ either.
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On July 27 2011 21:53 Spica wrote: Loool, so Jaedong fans will have to cheer for Captain Hyuk eh...
Looking forward to it then. |D I'm sure Hyuk will lose to Modesty, but even "if", what the fuck do you expect to win with such a play? Just being realistic, JD is going nowhere, guess good old days of solid ZvZ wins long gone.
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If I was Hyuk I would lose intentionally so I would advance 100 % (else he would be in tiebreakers)
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i don't think hyuk will try to win....if he loses, it's one less tough opponent to go against. maybe hyuk will win for the hell of it, and i'm definitely hoping JD will advance.
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On July 27 2011 21:57 kuroshiroi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 21:55 KTF_CloaK wrote: i think modesty is gonna beat hyuk fairly easy, he is a ZvZ sniper after all...
but then JD is out with hyvaa? JD beat Modesty and lost to Hyuk. It's ZvZ, luck is a pretty big factor. And Hyuk isn't exactly bad at ZvZ either. even if it is zvz, watching hyvaa play there made me sad
he can barely micro mutas vs scourge. i wouldn't put it all down to luck.
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Right now I'm looking at JDs ZvZ Records and games. It's depressing when you see the old pages just filled with win, win, win. And lately all I've seen are losses
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On July 27 2011 21:56 Malinor wrote: I understand that it is very easy to be extremely harsh with his zvz, it surely is a matchup were you easily can get 5-6 bad beats by build-orders or bad luck in a row. But by now this is not coincidence anymore. He lost every muta-battle during the 2-3 against Hydra, went 4x12hatch against zer0 and messed up the one game where it was 12h vs 12h really really bad. And falling back to 12pool all the time is really not the way to go. It is just predictable and more a trick of all trades built the way he is playing it. He simply has lost his zvz magic, and it hurts too watch.
edit: Not to mention that his muta-control is looking suppar even when he wins at the moment. It is just all around sloppy.
I agree, JvZ is no more! Sad, but true. Let's just hope Hyuk destroys modesty so jd can have at least some chance of advancing
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BO disadvantages haven't made Jaedong one of the worst ZvZ players around, it is his disastrous mutalisk micro. Watch any ZvZ from him in the past 6 months and compare that to his micro in 2009. All Jaedong does now is suicide mutalisks into enemy scourges and fail to send his scourges fast enough into the opponents mutalisks.
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That's what you get for not going 9 pool.
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On July 27 2011 21:56 Malinor wrote: I understand that it is very easy to be extremely harsh with his zvz, it surely is a matchup were you easily can get 5-6 bad beats by build-orders or bad luck in a row. But by now this is not coincidence anymore. He lost every muta-battle during the 2-3 against Hydra, went 4x12hatch against zer0 and messed up the one game where it was 12h vs 12h really really bad. And falling back to 12pool all the time is really not the way to go. It is just predictable and more a trick of all trades built the way he is playing it. He simply has lost his zvz magic, and it hurts too watch.
edit: Not to mention that his muta-control is looking suppar even when he wins at the moment. It is just all around sloppy. summing it up
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