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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32280 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-07 06:03:51
November 02 2008 07:12 GMT
#1
There’s no other way to say this: this game will probably affect us all. When Blizzard announced SC2, it was not just another game company announcing another game version 2009. It was like telling a drug addict, "hey can you stop inhaling that shit, because we just created cocaine 2".

First let’s set some things straight. Some of you have already decided to love or hate this game and are simply looking for a battlefield to fight each other. As far as getting BW 2009, the fact is: it will never happen. Stork will ever un-win OSL, Kingdom won't grow new nerves in his wrist and SCII will never be an isometric 2D strategy game.

Why do we care so much? It's pretty obvious: we are a Starcraft tribe. We wake up to VODs, we have newbies for breakfast, watch replays over lunch, and have some more newbies for dinner. We need our dose of mechanics and strategy before we call it a day.

We are different than the people that give feedback on the battle.net forums. They nitpick about realism in a game where aliens and humans fight in space. These people follow hype, love flashy graphics, and use phrases like "GOTY" and "totally playing this omgzz!". These people pay the salaries of the EA employees by buying games often but stop playing after a month or two.
We don't want this kind of person telling Blizzard how to make the drug we'll be inhaling for the next ten years.


“Forfeit the game before somebody else takes you out of the frame and puts your name to shame. […] the pace is too fast, you just won't last”

- Linkin Park on SC:BW


Mechanics, APM and Digital masturbation:

The first thing a musical instructor does is teach his student the "proper" way to play an instrument mechanically and efficiently. For example, hand movement, pattern training, and muscle memory are skills piano students learn first. Good piano playing consists of automatic movements that are planned and practiced. A musician can be creative and artistic through proper execution of these movements.

StarCraft is the same way. It is a game of preparation of planning, but also a game of execution and adaptation. One cannot memorize a way to play an entire game, but one can practice the little tasks within the game.


“1sz, 2a.”

- MBS on ZvP



A new player who sees an opportunity to attack lurkers with his marines will hit stop, wait, and think. An experienced player faced with the same situation will 2t3t, 2a3a4a 0s. Because the scenario is familiar, his muscles already know what to do, and he will gain an advantage through instinctual muscle memory.


  • someone who enjoys playing or listening to piano would find this video interesting:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjsH7I9Gs28



  • Likewise, someone who enjoys StarCraft would feel the same way about this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roek7iHyCGc
    Progamer Lee Yun-Yeol teaches us how to play “TvP Symphony Bo.3”




Another example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyJ5dnigrA8


Consequences of watching a NaDa FPVod:
  • Without MBS: cause motion sickness, seizure, and multiple erections.
  • With MBS: boredom coma.



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SC2 being played to its full potential (with MBS)



Mechanics do not only relate to APM and e-penis. Within the very base of Starcraft as an e-Sport lies the fact that there are different skill levels in Starcraft. The same happens in any other sport. Even though the best football players are probably very talented, I’m sure that they would not be where they are today if they didn’t train 8 hours per day.


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+vacuum cleaners?


Casual players play purely for entertainment, while competitive players play to achieve goals. That's what is fun for them and what keeps them playing. Through improvement and skill differentiation, competitive players keep the game fresh and new. Casual players don't care if they suck as long as they have fun. If a competitive player sucks, well those can always modify maps to lower building times.


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APM keeps you fit!




The consequences of MBS:

There’s the possibility that MBS will not ruin Starcraft scientists of all over the world have agreed. They said: “It’s about the same probability for YellOw to win an OSL, old memes to be eradicated from Teamliquid and IntoTheWow making a serious article”.


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"Protoss is EZ"



We should ask ourselves this question: do we want another casual game or do we want a game we can live, breathe, and lose ourselves in?

I want a game that challenges me as SC:BW did ten years ago. I want a game that I can be proud of being good at but at the same time enjoy playing casually with friends. I want a game that can have a Bonjwa. I want a game that will make e-sports grow internationally. I want a game that will force me to stay up until 5:00 AM to watch it. I want a game without MBS.


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In a world with MBS





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LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10835 Posts
November 02 2008 07:17 GMT
#2
lol i love your sense of humor
ModeratorResident K-POP Elitist
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10835 Posts
November 02 2008 07:17 GMT
#3
oh wait, this is a very very serious article.
ModeratorResident K-POP Elitist
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
November 02 2008 07:17 GMT
#4
but what about Sigaty's wife? surely all she needs to be able to enjoy the game is MBS!
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-02 07:19:25
November 02 2008 07:19 GMT
#5
Great article damn fuck mbs

edit: where does linkin park say this?????????????
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
November 02 2008 07:19 GMT
#6
omfg hahaha
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
November 02 2008 07:20 GMT
#7
if removing MBS will result in removing some lame gas geyser dying mechanic, I am all for it
blabberrrrr
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
November 02 2008 07:20 GMT
#8
Oh my god I'm dying.

That dog looks so creepy
mG.sixghost @ iCCup || One ling, two ling, three ling, four... Camp four gas, then ultra-whore . -Saracen
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32280 Posts
November 02 2008 07:20 GMT
#9
On November 02 2008 16:19 clazziquai wrote:
Great article damn fuck mbs

edit: where does linkin park say this?????????????


Moderator<:3-/-<
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32280 Posts
November 02 2008 07:21 GMT
#10
btw thanks Hot_Bid for helping me with semantics and phrase structure!
Moderator<:3-/-<
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
November 02 2008 07:23 GMT
#11
LOOOOOOOL THE DOG'S EXPRESSION

"Even I can be gosu now with MBS!"
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
November 02 2008 07:24 GMT
#12
*reserves judgment until actually playing the game*
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-02 07:27:16
November 02 2008 07:24 GMT
#13
LOL the pictures......omg im dying\

the cat picture is so perfect
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
November 02 2008 07:28 GMT
#14
IntoTheLOOOOOOOOOOOL
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
November 02 2008 07:30 GMT
#15
Awesome article IntotheWow - I completely agree.
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
HotZhot
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Colombia677 Posts
November 02 2008 07:31 GMT
#16
Holy crap somebody email this article to the developers at Blizzard asap!

(It's endorsed 100% by TL atm)
I only smile in the darK [] sAviOr//JaeDong Fan 4 Ever ~ CJ Entusman # 7
Phantom
Profile Joined September 2004
Canada2151 Posts
November 02 2008 07:35 GMT
#17
On November 02 2008 16:31 HotZhot wrote:
Holy crap somebody email this article to the developers at Blizzard asap!

(It's endorsed 100% by TL atm)


haha...there is only one option listed...
http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/members/Phantom
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
November 02 2008 07:40 GMT
#18
I can't believe Blizzard would rather cater the casual gamers, who wouldn't even care or notice if SC2 has MBS or not, over the more serious gamers, who are actually affected.
On November 02 2008 16:12 IntoTheWow wrote:We are different than the people that give feedback on the battle.net forums. They nitpick about realism in a game where aliens and humans fight in space. These people follow hype, love flashy graphics, and use phrases like "GOTY" and "totally playing this omgzz!". These people pay the salaries of the EA employees by buying games often but stop playing after a month or two.

This is exactly why I feel Blizzard is placing priorities in the wrong place.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
HotZhot
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Colombia677 Posts
November 02 2008 07:47 GMT
#19
On November 02 2008 16:35 Phantom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2008 16:31 HotZhot wrote:
Holy crap somebody email this article to the developers at Blizzard asap!

(It's endorsed 100% by TL atm)


haha...there is only one option listed...



eh? yes/no thats 2? no?
I only smile in the darK [] sAviOr//JaeDong Fan 4 Ever ~ CJ Entusman # 7
x89titan
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Philippines1130 Posts
November 02 2008 07:52 GMT
#20
i pity the foo who votes NO
Heaven came down and glory filled my soul, when at the cross the Savior made me whole
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