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This is a question that has been asked for years, and recently got a user banned for asking this age old question so lets dive in.
The history is back in 2014 JJR (jimmyjraynor) was a hockey thread user and a rabid Leafs fan. He had wild theory's he believed to be true but no other posters agreed and became frustrated with him. This never stopped JJR, in fact it never slowed him, it increased his post count!
In appeared Lamprey1 and KelianQatar. These two users were in complete lockstep with JJR and not only agreed with him when no one else did, but also just happened to use all the exact same threads that JJR used and only posted to agree with him or him to agree with them. Oh and some "forced" disagreements.
This gave the mods pause and after loads of frustration they banned JJR temp and the two names permanently unless they could prove they were not JJR. JJR was also banned from the hockey thread, and eventually others (including USpol) and calm returned to TL (I mean sort of JJR started lots of fights and random nicks showed up and got accused of being ALTs often banned for various reasons but relatively speaking)(for-example "Keyboard warrior" Here is an exchange they had slightly before Keyboard Warrior was banned. The last post basically sums it up if you follow basketball at all.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 31 2017 13:28 Keyboard Warrior wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2017 01:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote:The hottest team in the Eastern Conference is the Chicago Bulls On December 31 2017 00:30 Nemireck wrote: OOOH Finally, notorious Raptor hater Coach Nick gives Raptors some love:
I've been waiting for this video this year. Usually he waits until they hit a slump to poop all over the Toronto parade after their hot start every year.
the Raptors bench is carving up lousy teams. its fun to watch... that said... the Raptors are 6-7 against teams above .500 with losses to a depleted Spurs team, Boston without Kyrie, and the Wizards without Wall. Jack Armstrong brought this up last night... the test of this team occurs from January 9th to February 1. Cleveland, San Antonio, Minnesota twice, Miami, Washington, and Philly. if Lowry keeps on playin' the way he has been playin' the last 3 games the Raptors are going to get their asses kicked. i see the Raptors have drawn the excitement of a couple of boxscore followers in this thread though. did you see that Alley oop from Derozan to OG? Derozan is creating more offense than ever. the alley oop comes right at the end of this clip. First time i've ever seen Derozan initiate an alley-oop. Looks like another weapon in the Raptors high octane offense. https://streamable.com/vysx8it really looks like the corner 3 is now a part of Derozan's game. its a tool in his toolbox now. nice to see. Derozan's 3 Point Statsstats say Derozan is 33% from 3. However, he has 3 half court heaves in there. Furthermore, throughout October and November Derozan was handed the ball with 5 or less seconds left on the clock at the end of a failed play. often , he'd heave up a suicide off balance 3. So, I'd say Derozan is better than a 33% 3-point shooter despite what the stat says. I think that 33% number will continue to climb. what you say about the Raptors is true. What's your analysis on why the Raptors are suddenly good? i think it's really cool that they are getting good, i've always thought they are a playoff team. On December 31 2017 15:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote: welp, they've been a playoff team for years.
i would not say they are "suddenly good". i'd say they are somewhat better than last year. i think they are better than last year because JV, Powell, VanVleet, Poetl, Wright and Siakam are a little bit better than last year. Ibaka is better than that fat guy free agent PF that used to play for Boston. They miss Patterson, but he has been replaced by OG. OG keeps his mouth shut and does his job rather than bad-mouthing Casey on instagram. Right now, i'd say the OG of this year is slightly worse than Patterson of last year. Lowry is about the same as last year.
Derozan, again, got better this summer. His playmaking has incrementally improved every year for the past 5 years. Small improvements over 5 years add up. He finally has a 3 point shot. His defense is still weak. Derozan is better than last year.
Casey/Ujiri designed an offense with a higher ceiling/potential. the article posted by MassHysteria goes into some detail about WHY the offense is better. Specifically , the quote by Nick NUrse identifies a change they made in how they run plays.
Right now, I think they can beat Cleveland. However, I don't think that makes them an elite team. I don't view Cleveland as an elite team this year. Right now, the Raptors look like an Eastern Conference Final type of team.
We'll know more when the Raptors play some tough teams in January if they are an elite title contender. On December 31 2017 16:20 Keyboard Warrior wrote: i agree. What do you mean about by having a offense with a higher ceiling/potential? I read the article that you referred to but I think its kinda fluff. I dont see any actual difference, maybe its gotta do with the confidence or the advanced stats of the players?
i honestly think Cavs is still #1. Are you saying that Raptors are #1 only because they faced weak teams so far? On December 31 2017 16:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote:the offense is better because its a 2-headed snake. Demar and Kyle both can act like PGs and they can really force defenses to rotate and switch with their ball movement. They can create havoc for opposition defenses with their better ball movement. In the past Kyle has been the 1 and only play maker. Now 2 guys are playmakers. and, Demar now has a 3 point shot. This stretches defenses more. Their bench line up is the same way. Fred or Delon can be the PG. and, Fred and Delon are both clearly better than last year. They're both completely interchangeable. i believe Nemirick originally posted this video about the Raptors offense. + Show Spoiler + On December 31 2017 17:10 Keyboard Warrior wrote: amazing analysis. You hit the nail in the head with Demar and Kyle sharing the PG position. They multiply the offensive threats and make it difficult for teams to adjust in a timely manner.
I think the Cavs biggest problem is that Lebron is not having complementary players that suit his playing style like in Miami would you agree? Do you happen to work in sports? You're spot on with the Cavs and Toronto match up and it's interesting. On December 31 2017 17:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote:nope, i made a report writer add-on tool for a piece of medical admin software called "Procura"; i live off of the royalties and product support requests. I'm ridiculously lazy. the report writer allows power-users to build their own reports. This saves money because they don't have to pay a database programmer to make custom 1-off reports. On December 31 2017 18:59 Keyboard Warrior wrote: that's awesome. i think it pays well enough for you to indulge in other interests. Do you also work on sports analysis? Because i mean you should based on the stuff you write here. What's something to look out for in this season that not very many are aware of? On January 01 2018 01:10 MassHysteria wrote: LUL wtf is this... Is raynor KD'ing us again
JimmyJRaynor was just temp banned for 1 week by Manifesto7.
That account was created on 2010-04-11 22:42:46 and had 2457 posts.
Reason: Can you shut up about 1996 please? Hard to enjoy the playoffs in 2014 with you shitting up that thread. Thamks.
lamprey1 was just banned by Manifesto7.
That account was created on 2012-06-03 06:21:21 and had 917 posts.
Reason: Prove to me you aren't jjr .
KelianQatar was just banned by KadaverBB.
That account was created on 2012-12-09 12:14:25 and had 232 posts.
Reason: This smells fishy.
Move forward to Nov 2018 and JJR brings up that his friend a female and works in IT for the navy out of Washington DC and was wrongly banned and is in fact not one of his alts.
It was brought up that it is strange that after 4 years KelianQatar never contacted the site her self about it. Didn't simply start a new account and continue posting. Or anything. But the mods relented after JJR asked and KelianQatar was unbanned.
The evidence is all circumstantial but since it was brought up and a user was banned for accusing JJR and it was suggested to be posted here I thought why not.
JJR is the lead character of SC a game JJR clearly loves. KelianQatar is (albeit with a slight misspell) the lead character of Command and Conquer a game JJR also loves.
JJR and KelianQatar post in the exact same fashion. They also both like almost exactly the same things, since returning 19 of KelianQatar have been in the same threads as JJR almost all either directly before or after a JJR post or quoting one. The 2 that are not are on apex and don't give much info. They both used to post in the hockey thread a lot, but since JJR got banned, KelianQatar has 0 interest in the thread she loved before banned. Infact her interests have just happened to have changed at exactly the same rate as JJR's. They both have the strange interest in being internet doctors and talking about injuries as if they are doctors, or know more than the doctors themselves.
It is for sure a strange situation, I do think it is odd to have unbanned only one of the alts, I actually think JJR should just be allowed to post in every thread with every nick until he is either thought of a great poster or the mods have had enough. So free Lamprey1 and unthread ban JJR from all threads, hockey, US pol, whatever others. Because it isn't fair to have us get the experience of him in threads not used by mods when the heavily moderated or mod participated threads don't get that experience. Thank you.
Poll: What to do about JJR?Ban everything and be done (13) 100% Unban all nicks and thread bans (0) 0% Unban Lamprey1 (0) 0% Reban KelianQatar (0) 0% 13 total votes Your vote: What to do about JJR? (Vote): Unban all nicks and thread bans (Vote): Ban everything and be done (Vote): Unban Lamprey1 (Vote): Reban KelianQatar
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I honestly thought that KelianQatar was instabanned when the first thing the alt account did was to reply a post in support of JimmyJRaynor, about 2 mins right after he posted. I didn't realise that the alt account is still there, posting away. It's very disruptive that someone has alt accounts just posting away trying to steer perceptions in his own favour. It's basically spamming the thread with mulitiple double/triple/more posts, only hiding it. I don't see any reason to allow alt accounts especially with the way JimmyJRaynor uses them.
Btw JimmyJRaynor/KelianQatar, you have got to stop calling women "females". It's kinda creepy. Even more creepy than making an alt account just to agree with yourself.
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For the sake of argument I decided to take a look at KelianQatar's posting. Since being unbanned 4 years ago KelianQatar has posted 22 times. Based on this it is obvious that KelianQatar is JimmyJRaynors alt account. Worse it is always used to agree with himself and disagree with other people.
Please forgive the formatting as I want to show that most posts are just JimmyJRaynor and KelianQatar talking and agreeing and asking rhetorical questions of each other.
KelianQatar posts in every thread JimmyJRaynor has been in. The posts are always next to each other, mostly within 10 minutes of each other, or replying to or quoting each other. Except for one thread.
Post 1) After JimmyJRaynor posted, 5 minutes later KelianQatar posted. Then 4 mins later JimmyJRaynor posted again, agreeing with each other's BS story and quoting each other. Incidently this was the only KelianQatar post I saw and thought KelianQatar was instantly banned for obvious alt accounting.
Post 2) KelianQatar quoted JimmyJRaynor at February 26 2019 17:21 GMT in the Movie Discussion! thread. 6 minutes later JimmyJRaynor posted in reply.
Post 3) JimmyJRaynor posted at April 02 2019 17:35 BST. KelianQatar quoted JimmyJRaynor at April 02 2019 18:07 BST, some 32 minutes later.
Post 4&5) Apex Legends - F2P Battle Royal thread, posted 2 times, after JimmyJRaynor posted 4 times. The most innoculous posts out of the lot. It's borderline spam though.
Avilo Fan Club. Thread (I miss SC2 drama)
JimmyJRaynor posted at March 19 2019 13:30 GMT. KelianQatar posted at March 19 2019 13:45 GMT, quoting JimmyJRaynor, 15 mins later. JimmyJRaynor posted at March 19 2019 13:52 GMT, quoting KelianQatar, 7 mins later.
The above particular exchange is hilarious btw. Everyone should read it.
Borderlands 3 Thread
On April 02 2019 07:07 KelianQatar wrote: replying to JimmyJRaynor who posted an hour ago.
On April 05 2019 08:15 KelianQatar wrote: On April 05 2019 08:18 JimmyJRaynor wrote, replying back, 3 mins later. On April 05 2019 08:26 KelianQatar wrote, quoting and replying back to JimmyJRaynor, 8 mins later. On April 05 2019 08:30 JimmyJRaynor wrote, replying back to KelianQatar, 4 mins later.
On April 05 2019 23:58 JimmyJRaynor wrote, disagreeing with someone. On April 07 2019 01:14 KelianQatar wrote: disagreeing with that same person.
On April 08 2019 22:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote On April 09 2019 07:27 KelianQatar wrote, replying to
On April 24 2019 03:35 KelianQatar wrote, 2 days after JimmyJRaynor last posted, both bumping up the thread 2 days after the last post.
Together they make up a quarter (!) of the posts in the thread, having an entire conversation together at one point.
NBA Season 2018-2019
On March 27 2019 09:56 JimmyJRaynor wrote: On March 27 2019 10:55 KelianQatar wrote: On March 27 2019 11:14 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On April 03 2019 02:07 KelianQatar wrote: quoting On April 02 2019 04:17 JimmyJRaynor
On April 03 2019 10:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote: On April 03 2019 11:08 KelianQatar wrote: quoting JimmyJRaynor On April 03 2019 11:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote
On April 14 2019 11:44 KelianQatar wrote On April 14 2019 11:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote
On April 16 2019 05:14 JimmyJRaynor wrote On April 16 2019 06:57 KelianQatar wrote: quoting On April 14 2019 06:15 JimmyJRaynor On April 16 2019 10:10 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
This one is quite funny becuase JimmyJRaynor just wrote "Thanks for the info!" back to himself.
On April 20 2019 01:05 KelianQatar wrote: arguing with someone in JimmyJRaynor's favour.
On April 20 2019 11:36 KelianQatar wrote On April 21 2019 02:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote
THE HELL? Alt account is now being used to say someone's post is BS. JimmyJRaynor posts immediately afterwards disagreeing with that poster. JimmyJRaynor is acting as an unbelievable scumbag at this point.
On April 22 2019 10:07 KelianQatar wrote: On April 22 2019 10:14 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On April 24 2019 07:23 KelianQatar wrote: On April 24 2019 00:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Movie Discussion! Thread
On April 01 2019 10:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote On April 02 2019 11:10 KelianQatar wrote
I agree Galaxy Quest really is an underrated movie and Sigourney Weaver is hot. No need to make an alt just for JimmyJRaynor discuss with himself what women he finds hot.
JimmyJRaynor is his calm rational knowledgeable man account, and KelianQatar is what he imagines an excitable, forgetful, ignorant woman to be like. What the fuck.
KelianQatar posts in every thread JimmyJRaynor has been in. In all but one thread are the posts next to each other, mostly within 10 minutes of each other, or replying to or quoting each other.
Some are funny because he is having a conversation with himself, others are just creepy and sad and scumbag behaviour like the ones where he uses the alt to push his views and to argue against people.
I don't see any reason as to why JimmyJRaynor wouldn't be banned unless he is secretly bankrolling TL or something. Perhaps the mods think it'll be too difficult to prevent him from rolling another account as he appears to be motivated towards alt accounts. He sure isn't any good at hiding it.
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Wow thank you that is both hilarious and scary. One little part of the "drama" you may be missing is user twinkletoes was banned for 30 days for accusing them of being alts, and part of made him so upset is according to him KQ had pm'd about things he and JJR disagreed on.
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It seems like most (literally all) think that JJR and KQ are the same person and that both should be banned. If a mod could weigh in on their thoughts and what the consequences are for having ALTs to talk to one's self and argue on their behalf are? And if those punishments are increased when you lie to get the original ban overturned? If in fact this is the case which seems incredibly likely.
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it has been obvious for years that he is using alt accounts. Maybe TL mods can do something about it but it would probably just end in more alt accounts.
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Nothing at all mods? JimmyJRaynor is still using his alt account to have conversations with himself where he can continue his fantasy of having special knowledge and information to submissive receptors.
On April 29 2019 06:21 KelianQatar wrote: What is that thing on Harden's right wrist? On April 29 2019 06:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote:I don't know, but Harden has been running around with his left wrist and hand taped up and people have been putting pictures of it on instagram and twitter. + Show Spoiler +
He could had easily just posted his own post alone without using his alt to pose a question that no-one asked. He's not even hiding he has an alt account at this point. Why allow it to continue?
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Germany25638 Posts
You guys are way too invested in this. It's possible that it is an alt but not conclusive. As long as he/they aren't shitposting it is not a terribly big deal and if he succesfully tricked me then he can go high five himself
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You really don't see it as a problem? Apparently one poster already got himself banned for discussing whether or not KelianQatar is an alt, because that alt was being used to disagree against him and agree with JimmyJRaynor in disagreement, which is highly unpleasant and is scumbag behaviour? Should I make alt accounts to disagree with other and agree with myself in other threads too?
And something like this isn't just using your altaccount to shitpost?
JimmyJRaynor wrote:whoever that girl was from Europe. its been so long i can not remember her name. Any how, she was his #1 admin or "head" admin/moderator for a long time. He stated he could not trust any of his Ops/Mods except her so he decided to pay her a small monthly salary and have her control/run/regulate the "mod team" for his channel. i do not think he was paying any other MOD except his #1 head mod but i wasn't paying close enough attention to the silliness to know for sure.
i'm pretty sure several twitch channel broadcasters pay their #1 admin/production person at least some cash. they probably don't discuss it constantly because they don't want to piss off the lower tier admins/mods/production people KelianQatar wrote:Her name was Maria! I remember!!! JimmyJRaynor wrote:i wonder if that was her real name or if it was all a bunch of BS. who knows.
He is not only perpetuating some disgusting stereotypes, but was actively trying to deny a person's name to add realism to his story or whatever. Like this is some nasty actions going on here. And it's simply a triple post at best.
OR+ Show Spoiler +On April 20 2019 01:05 KelianQatar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2019 00:14 Twinkle Toes wrote: Anyway, Ty Lue deal is almost done. Wow! Source? It looks like its just an interview to me. It does not look like Ty Lue's hiring is imminent. On April 22 2019 10:07 KelianQatar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2019 00:14 Twinkle Toes wrote: Anyway, Ty Lue deal is almost done. Wow! is there a source for this or is it just BS? Using an alt to disagree with another user. It's almost harrassment at that point, to use multiple posts to disagree with someone, when you could just use one account and one post.
I naturally thought the alt account was automatically banned after an obvious usage in the us pol feedback thread. It offends my sense of "fairness" that JJR continues to use his alt account to support himself. Yeah yeah it's "just" an online forum, but we are all part of the community, we are all emotionally invested some way or another.
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On May 01 2019 05:40 KadaverBB wrote:You guys are way too invested in this. It's possible that it is an alt but not conclusive. As long as he/they aren't shitposting it is not a terribly big deal and if he succesfully tricked me then he can go high five himself I've offered any MOD on TL who wants to jump into Discord and join the NA server they can watch us play 2v2s or team up with us and play some 3v3s in SC2. Or we can play some Borderlands... whichever version of the game you want.
She has an MBA from UVA. I took software engineering at the best engineering school in canada. She knows all the details of what she can and can not divulge about her identity due to her clearance level at the naval base where she works. I head up a tiny 3 person database software dev shop whose primary tool is West Wind Web Connection. She is a former professional day trader. She has a completely different education than I do. She speaks "American"; I speak the Queen's English.
We both play SC2 and Borderlands. We like to play in teams so we often team up together. This is why you'll see us in the same game threads. Other than SC2, Borderlands and Destiny2 we both play a different set of side games. I play EA NHL '94, Super Tecmo Bowl, and Fire Pro Wrestling. She plays an assortment of Clash Of Clans type phone games and Darkest Dungeon.
There are too many differences in knowledge bases, educational backgrounds and life backgrounds to be covered by 1 person.
On April 22 2019 10:07 KelianQatar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2019 00:14 Twinkle Toes wrote: Anyway, Ty Lue deal is almost done. Wow! is there a source for this or is it just BS?
Ty Lue still has not been hired by the LA Lakers. No source has ever been provided to back up this claim. Asking for a source was a good question. She'd asked for a source twice. The 2nd time she said " or is this BS". The first time she just politely requested a source with the comment "Source?".
"Ty Lue deal is almost done" is false. Ty Lue is still not hired.and this is going back 10+ days. the Lakers continue to interview prospective head coaches. Also, the Lakers may hire a new Prez in which case they Prez will want their own head coach.
So asking for a source was a proper line of questioning given the chaos of the Lakers' front office situation. TwinkleToes did not answer the first time. She asked a 2nd time. He replied "Source is incoming". No source for this was ever provided.
There is nothing wrong with speculating. Just call it speculation ... or call it a hunch or what you think might happen. To say there is a source on the way and then never produce one? What is the point? If he thinks they are going to hire Ty Lue but has no solid source... just say that.
In any event, I answered her question about the Lakers hiring process as best I could by providing information from Adrian Wojnarowski. Adrian Wojnarowski is a good source.
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On May 01 2019 05:40 KadaverBB wrote:You guys are way too invested in this. It's possible that it is an alt but not conclusive. As long as he/they aren't shitposting it is not a terribly big deal and if he succesfully tricked me then he can go high five himself
First thank you very much for responding.
The issue with JimmyJRaynor is not one post, it is how he grinds on you post after post never stopping. Wax words it better than me so I will let him.
JimmyJRaynor was just temp banned for 2 days by Waxangel.
That account was created on 2010-04-11 22:42:46 and had 12250 posts.
Reason: You can disagree, you can be pessimistic, but you can't just go around stating your extremely aggressive headcannon as fact.
He uses this extremely aggressive headcannon as fact non stop. When he does it a thread one of you mods use he gets a ban or warning. This has happened in this example, back in the day in the hockey thread where he got the short ban and "lamprey1" and "KelienQatar" got the perma bans from his alt. He also got quickly banned from USpol thread for the same thing. Probably in others it is not like I am in every thread he is in.
The problem there is on the threads no Mod currently uses he does the exact same behavior with no single post that a user can reference. Eventually the other users get frustrated, usually first they just ignore him but he keeps pokes and prodding then they either quite the thread or eventually lash out and they get the ban.
When enough people ignore whatever it is that he thinks needs to be discussed his current aggressive headcannon treats as fact, in shows up KQ who supports his take and will occasionally PM to further the irritation.
I mean if you are not going to ban him fine but lift his thread bans and let the mods live with him and see if you feel the same when when instead of constantly bugging a few posters he is bugging a lot more including the mods.
Right now it is like, yeah we don't want to deal with him, but the rest of you can. There is the reason the Poll at the top sits as it does, I don't think there are many other posters with the long history that would have 100% of people wanting him gone or something done.
So please let him post everywhere or nowhere at least then you can see if you find the aggressive head cannon treated as fact relentlessly posted as frustrated as other users clearly do.
On top of that is just really creepy.
edit: to JJR post, yes people post rumors on the thread they do it as soon as they hear it because they want to "break the news" sometimes they are wrong, that is the nature of rumors. The frustrating part is you, and your clone than robotically harassing. And if Lue is hired you won't say anything.
Now what you will do is say all sorts of random stuff and the quote your old posts that are loosely related to give the old pat on the back, if people point out that is not what you said or other posts you made that say something different you have a story for that. You are near impossible to ignore and when you are other names are created to support and talk to you.
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On May 01 2019 06:28 JimmiC wrote: You are near impossible to ignore and when you are other names are created to support and talk to you. KelianQatar is female and she is not me.
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On May 01 2019 07:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2019 06:28 JimmiC wrote: You are near impossible to ignore and when you are other names are created to support and talk to you. KelianQatar is female and she is not me. I don't believe you, the Mods used to not believe you and may still not, all the 12 people who voted feel this way, that is the essence of the thread.
And if she really is a independent, strong intelligent women like you describe her to be I find it very disturbing how you speak for her. I'm sure she is quite capable for speaking for herself and if she is like you describe would not appreciate you continually doing this.
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Germany25638 Posts
Well, Im closing this down. We have no proof, just circumstance and luckily moderation isn't decided by majority poll or you'd probably be in the dumpster
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For the record, I talked to both JJR and Kelian in the past and they're either different people or JJR is really good and tricked me, in which case, good for him.
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